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Oh Fur Crying Out Loud
You know how Youtube makes a fuss about old browsers, and tells you
"your browser is outdated". Then you have to click on "NO THANKS" to proceed. Well, it made a DOUBLE fuss over K-Meleon 1.5.4, saying the browser is NOT SUPPORTED. But I still could use it, after dealing with all their nag screens. I've used K-Meleon 1.5.4 for years in Win98, Win2K and XP. Aside from too many script errors on newer websites, it's still a great browser. But I fixed all those YOUTUBE nag screens in K-Meleon. Here's how: K-Meleon has an option, under EDIT PREFERENCES PRIVACY & SECURITY PARANOIA. In there it says "Determine how K-Meleon should identify itself". In there, I used "CUSTOM", and typed in Firefox 39.0. I closed that box. When I opened YOUTUBE.com, NO MORE NAG SCREENS ~~~ I could not believe it was that simple! |
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Oh Fur Crying Out Loud
So how is K-Meleon different than Thunderbird?
Looks very similar. Browser /Mail / newsgroups Probably the same plug-ins as TBird? --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- |
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Oh Fur Crying Out Loud
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:22:59 -0700, OldeGuye
wrote: So how is K-Meleon different than Thunderbird? Looks very similar. Browser /Mail / newsgroups Probably the same plug-ins as TBird? --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- K-Meleon 1.5.4 and earlier were ONLY a Browser. But for many years it was my favorite browser. It's similar to what Firefox was in it's early days, except K-Meleon was more user friendly. What I like best is that you can toggle on-off Scripts, Cookies, Pictures, etc right from the taskbar. Yet it's not bloated, and best of all, dont bog down the system if too many web pages are opened. I've had as many as 30 pages opened at once. The downfall is that it tends to have script errors, which at one time was seldom, but with the new web pages it's far too often. Those script errors can and do cause the browser to freeze up. There is no newsgroup reader or email built into K-Meleon 1.5.4 and earlier. They may have added that to their latest version, which I have not tried, because any version above 1.5.4 dont work in Win98, and on my XP machines, I've used Firefox because of the extensions. However, since FF extensions are now all "screwed up", I have been looking for other software, so the latest K-Meleon will be downloaded soon. But, K-Meleon never had extensions, and probably still dont. If any browser is similar to Thunderbird, I'd say it's Seamonkey. SM is not too bad, but I never cared for it's layout real much, and I dont prefer browsers which combine email and newsreaders. To me, each should be a separate program, but that's just my personal opinion. I use Agent for newsgroupos and (and early version of) Thunderbird for email. |
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Oh Fur Crying Out Loud
radarlove wrote:
You know how Youtube makes a fuss about old browsers, and tells you "your browser is outdated". Then you have to click on "NO THANKS" to proceed. Well, it made a DOUBLE fuss over K-Meleon 1.5.4, saying the browser is NOT SUPPORTED. But I still could use it, after dealing with all their nag screens. I've used K-Meleon 1.5.4 for years in Win98, Win2K and XP. Aside from too many script errors on newer websites, it's still a great browser. But I fixed all those YOUTUBE nag screens in K-Meleon. Here's how. K-Meleon has an option, under: EDIT PREFERENCES PRIVACY & SECURITY PARANOIA. In there it says "Determine how K-Meleon should identify itself". In there, I used "CUSTOM", and typed in Firefox 39.0. I closed that box. When I opened YOUTUBE.com, NO MORE NAG SCREENS ~~~ I could not believe it was that simple! That will only work if the web site uses the ancient method of interrogating the User Agent header your web browser gives to the server. The UA string identifies to the server what client is connecting to it. User-Agent is an HTTP header specified by the client: http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec14.html, section 14.43 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_a...identification The UApick extension for Firefox has been around for a long time (so you have to delve into their advanced config editor which is just a text editor for the config settings to change the UA string that way). UApick made it easy to select a different UA string; however, it only had a limited number of choices so you had to add more strings if you wanted to pick something other than from UApick's default list. I don't know if there is an "UA select" extension for K-Meleon (never used that web browser) so you don't have to wade through all the menus AND specify a valid UA string replacement. "Firefox 39.0" is not a valid UA string so if that is what you told K-Meleon to send then the site hasn't a clue what client you are using and will have to pick LCD (least common denominator) code branch regarding functions supported by the web page. You can find a list of valid UA strings at: http://useragentstring.com/pages/useragentstring.php Changing the UA string was the old way of getting around a site whose client range check failed to included, for example, the latest version of a web browser. A site has not yet updated their table of what web browsers and their versions that they support. Although you have a later version, their table does not yet go that high. So you have to lie (user agent spoofing) that you have an older version. Same goes for when their table does not include your old version web browser. You're outside their range. Their table of "good" web browsers likely does not include every web browser that has ever existed. Newer methods have the server try to use several functions in the client to determine which web browser connected to it. Instead of writing code branches for specific web browser, they test the web browser for functionality and use different code branches for lesser capable web browsers. So it doesn't matter what UA string you send them. They will determine compatibility and functionality by actually testing your web browser rather than rely on who the client claims they are which can be a lie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_a...gent_spoofing). Testing the web browser eliminates UA spoofing so the site still knows whether it can deliver its content to you or have to employ alternate code to support what your web browser lacks. I suspect if Javascript is disabled then they cannot preform their functionality checks but then they may refuse to deliver content if you have Javascript disabled. Even Microsoft issued a warning quite awhile ago that the UA string should not be used to identify the client connecting to a server. Internet Explorer, Firefox, Google Chrome, and many web browsers have long had the ability to modify the UA string they send to the server. The result is that web site still relying on the old UA string scheme will select the wrong code branch to use to interact with the client and what web page content to deliver. By the way, are you using a Flash plug-in in K-Meleon to view the videos at YouTube? If so, you don't need Flash there. Google is one who has embraced using HTML5/Javascript to provide viewing of videos so you don't need Flash. Both Flash and Silverlight are in their death throes. I do not have Flash installed. When I visit YouTube, they test functionality of my web browser, see Flash is not available, so they use their HTML5 viewer to show my their videos. Lots of sites have converted to HTML5 viewers (and discarded Adobe's Flash) but there are still lingerers. So far, of the lingerers I've found, I can still the content that I want to see or I can find it elsewhere. |
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On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 17:22:34 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
By the way, are you using a Flash plug-in in K-Meleon to view the videos at YouTube? If so, you don't need Flash there. Google is one who has embraced using HTML5/Javascript to provide viewing of videos so you don't need Flash. Both Flash and Silverlight are in their death throes. I do not have Flash installed. When I visit YouTube, they test functionality of my web browser, see Flash is not available, so they use their HTML5 viewer to show my their videos. Lots of sites have converted to HTML5 viewers (and discarded Adobe's Flash) but there are still lingerers. So far, of the lingerers I've found, I can still the content that I want to see or I can find it elsewhere. I was using Flash. Now that I cant get that extension to work, I am downloading the videos using a website called "SAVEFROM.NET". I cant watch videos live, being on dialup. And when I go to a WIFI place, I'm not going to watch hours of videos at the library or a restaurant, or more likely in my car. I just download them to my HDD, then watch them at home. I did not know that Flash is no longer needed though. Thanks for that info. |
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