Free and not free AV for 98 and how to get around the problem

Me wrote in
:

thanatoid wrote in
:

you can install a free copy (if you have to ask where...)
of XP on another partition ONLY to get the new versions of
the few currently free /AND/ XP+ ONLY A-V programs there
are, and scan whatever you want from there, and then reboot
back into 98.

Is this officially OK?

Define "officially".

I had thought of this but wondered if. somewhere in the code
of an AV program running under XP, it might do something to
the files, in the process of fixing a virus, that might work
under XP but not under 98 and crash a 98 system?

I do not see why or how. But I am not a programmer.

Is it necessary to use a dual boot system? Could this be
done equally done connected to an XP system via an ethernet
or USB connection?

Should be possible. Doesn't matter WHERE the originating program
is running from. After all. certain sites offer to do a virus
scan on-line - although they don't inspire much confidence...


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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in
:

SNIP

I had thought of this but wondered if. somewhere in the
code of an AV program running under XP, it might do
something to the files, in the process of fixing a virus,
that might work under XP but not under 98 and crash a 98
system?

Good point, which I hadn't thought of. You'd probably, to
be safe, need to run the AV in "ask but don't automatically
fix" mode - though several of them seem reluctant to
operate in such a mode, thinking they know best.

ESET, and (IIRC) F-Prot (I used McAfee 12 years ago, can't
remember ANYthing) both ask if you want to "scan" or "scan &
clean". I ***NEVER*** scan & clean. I suppose they have to put
that option in because most users are idiots. If a an AV
software company REALLY thinks we're all idiots, they may not
even offer the option of "scan only" (and let me make up my own
*(&%^$* mind) - I would stay away from such a product. (Another
ESET plug - LOTS of options, including definable exclusions,
etc.)

A LOT of things which come up as "bad" - even with something as
good as ESET - are actually harmless except "do things"
associated with "bad" behavior - like port scanning, hacking an
exe, etc. But maybe that's exactly what I /want/ to do? There is
malware and there is malware.

SNIP



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The lonely child plays with eternity, while a gang of children
plays with time.
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in
:

SNIP

I had thought of this but wondered if. somewhere in the
code of an AV program running under XP, it might do
something to the files, in the process of fixing a virus,
that might work under XP but not under 98 and crash a 98
system?

Good point, which I hadn't thought of. You'd probably, to
be safe, need to run the AV in "ask but don't automatically
fix" mode - though several of them seem reluctant to
operate in such a mode, thinking they know best.

ESET, and (IIRC) F-Prot (I used McAfee 12 years ago, can't
remember ANYthing) both ask if you want to "scan" or "scan &
clean". I ***NEVER*** scan & clean. I suppose they have to put
that option in because most users are idiots. If a an AV
software company REALLY thinks we're all idiots, they may not
even offer the option of "scan only" (and let me make up my own
*(&%^$* mind) - I would stay away from such a product. (Another
ESET plug - LOTS of options, including definable exclusions,
etc.)

A LOT of things which come up as "bad" - even with something as
good as ESET - are actually harmless except "do things"
associated with "bad" behavior - like port scanning, hacking an
exe, etc. But maybe that's exactly what I /want/ to do? There is
malware and there is malware.

SNIP



--
The lonely child plays with eternity, while a gang of children
plays with time.
Karel Capek

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in
:

In message ,
thanatoid writes:
With apologies to all involved, I am /really/ getting tired
of the never-ending "Free AV for 98?" threads.

They are a bit repetitive, but if they bother you, don't
read them (-:!

Gee, that NEVER ocurred to me!

? And there is always the matter that things
change - any valid answer may cease to be, as suppliers
cease '98 support. (Or, though it's unlikely, if someone
adds a new one!)

Unlikely is an understatement. However, as ESET will continue
genuine 98 support for 23 more months, I thought it was worth
mentioning. BTW, the 2.7 is STILL available on the main site
even though they said they it was no longer so. But you need a
license # to DL - AOT a free trial of the new versions. And I
don't know for how much longer it WILL be available.

Google IS generally quite useful, as long as you don't
forget that the result most worth looking at it is not
necessarily on the first page, let alone /the first link/.
Anyway.)

(And people don't know how to use it; I have the advanced
search as my home page. But one can get the same effect by
using ", +, -, and so on.)

Yup.

Here are 2 fairly simple solutions to the above mentioned
endless questions.

In case you are not too cheap to pay $40/year (you spend
more on cappuccinos in one week, FFS) for a 98 version
(2.7) of the best

Wow, you've in the past implied you were in some
uncivilised part of the world, but if you're somewhere you
can spend over $40 a week on capuccinos ... I spend
considerably less than that on all shop-served food!

I said "YOU spend more on cappuccinos in one week, FFS", not
"*I* spend". I do not drink cappuccinos or mochas anymore, you
can not get decent coffee where I live. You wonder why I'm
always in a bad mood? No sex is bad enough, but I also like a
double mocha every morning!

BTW, does "shop-served food" mean "restaurant food" or food you
buy in a foodstore/supermarket?

Where the hell in UK where a 100g bar of Cadbury's costs almost
2£ can you eat for 40£ a week?

AV software there is, ESET NOD32, while it is no longer
available on their site as of Feb 1, the virus signature
updates for that version will be available until Feb 1,
2012. (If you

Er - you started by saying "if you're not too cheap to pay
$40", then say it's not available from Feb 1 - and you're
saying this in March??? []

Read ahead/other reply. Many people MAY have dl'd it as a trial
before, but maybe they were too cheap to BUY it after 30 days.
Others may decide they WILL buy a license and for those, IF the
2.7 version IS really gone, I am more than happy to UL a full
version - which WILL however require a a license for sig
updates. As I said, the same license # works for all versions.

free copy (if you have to ask where...) of XP on another
Don't those "free" versions pretty soon get blocked by MS?

Not IME ;-)

And probably also not if you never use IE/OE or Office. AFAIK,
those /are/ the programs which "call Redmond".

I only have XP because of a stupid video capture card and I do
not go on the net with it.

And I am closer and closer to Linux.

partition ONLY to get the new versions of the few currently
free /AND/ XP+ ONLY A-V programs there are, and scan
whatever you want from there, and then reboot back into 98.

In case you're wondering, the "run from XP partition and
then reboot" solution is based on my firm belief that
running an A-V all the time while on-line is totally
pointless.

It might have some validity under XP if you enable things
like Java, javascript, and ActiveX, which _are_ enabled by
default I think. (Besides, some websites won't work anyway
if you turn them off.) []

Well, we are talking about users who have not become totally
braindead in spite of MS's efforts. It's a whole other subject.
And no AV program will protect you from active-x malware, AFAIK.
Remember when MS /themselves/ told everyone to turn off
javascript in IE?

SNIP



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The lonely child plays with eternity, while a gang of children
plays with time.
Karel Capek

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in
:

In message ,
thanatoid writes:
With apologies to all involved, I am /really/ getting tired
of the never-ending "Free AV for 98?" threads.

They are a bit repetitive, but if they bother you, don't
read them (-:!

Gee, that NEVER ocurred to me!

? And there is always the matter that things
change - any valid answer may cease to be, as suppliers
cease '98 support. (Or, though it's unlikely, if someone
adds a new one!)

Unlikely is an understatement. However, as ESET will continue
genuine 98 support for 23 more months, I thought it was worth
mentioning. BTW, the 2.7 is STILL available on the main site
even though they said they it was no longer so. But you need a
license # to DL - AOT a free trial of the new versions. And I
don't know for how much longer it WILL be available.

Google IS generally quite useful, as long as you don't
forget that the result most worth looking at it is not
necessarily on the first page, let alone /the first link/.
Anyway.)

(And people don't know how to use it; I have the advanced
search as my home page. But one can get the same effect by
using ", +, -, and so on.)

Yup.

Here are 2 fairly simple solutions to the above mentioned
endless questions.

In case you are not too cheap to pay $40/year (you spend
more on cappuccinos in one week, FFS) for a 98 version
(2.7) of the best

Wow, you've in the past implied you were in some
uncivilised part of the world, but if you're somewhere you
can spend over $40 a week on capuccinos ... I spend
considerably less than that on all shop-served food!

I said "YOU spend more on cappuccinos in one week, FFS", not
"*I* spend". I do not drink cappuccinos or mochas anymore, you
can not get decent coffee where I live. You wonder why I'm
always in a bad mood? No sex is bad enough, but I also like a
double mocha every morning!

BTW, does "shop-served food" mean "restaurant food" or food you
buy in a foodstore/supermarket?

Where the hell in UK where a 100g bar of Cadbury's costs almost
2£ can you eat for 40£ a week?

AV software there is, ESET NOD32, while it is no longer
available on their site as of Feb 1, the virus signature
updates for that version will be available until Feb 1,
2012. (If you

Er - you started by saying "if you're not too cheap to pay
$40", then say it's not available from Feb 1 - and you're
saying this in March??? []

Read ahead/other reply. Many people MAY have dl'd it as a trial
before, but maybe they were too cheap to BUY it after 30 days.
Others may decide they WILL buy a license and for those, IF the
2.7 version IS really gone, I am more than happy to UL a full
version - which WILL however require a a license for sig
updates. As I said, the same license # works for all versions.

free copy (if you have to ask where...) of XP on another
Don't those "free" versions pretty soon get blocked by MS?

Not IME ;-)

And probably also not if you never use IE/OE or Office. AFAIK,
those /are/ the programs which "call Redmond".

I only have XP because of a stupid video capture card and I do
not go on the net with it.

And I am closer and closer to Linux.

partition ONLY to get the new versions of the few currently
free /AND/ XP+ ONLY A-V programs there are, and scan
whatever you want from there, and then reboot back into 98.

In case you're wondering, the "run from XP partition and
then reboot" solution is based on my firm belief that
running an A-V all the time while on-line is totally
pointless.

It might have some validity under XP if you enable things
like Java, javascript, and ActiveX, which _are_ enabled by
default I think. (Besides, some websites won't work anyway
if you turn them off.) []

Well, we are talking about users who have not become totally
braindead in spite of MS's efforts. It's a whole other subject.
And no AV program will protect you from active-x malware, AFAIK.
Remember when MS /themselves/ told everyone to turn off
javascript in IE?

SNIP



--
The lonely child plays with eternity, while a gang of children
plays with time.
Karel Capek

Hemorrhoid wrote:

Here are 2 fairly simple solutions to the above mentioned
endless questions.

98 version (2.7) of the best AV software there is, ESET NOD32,

or you can install a free copy (if you have to ask where...)
of XP on another partition ONLY to get the new versions of
the few currently free /AND/ XP+ ONLY A-V programs there are,

Why did you not mention Norton Anti-Virus 2002?

Which is also a 100% free (no-cost) alternative?

------------------------------

The Norton SystemWorks 2002 CD can be downloaded from these links:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-A.ZIP
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-B.ZIP
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-C.ZIP
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/...82/NSW02-D.ZIP

The password to unzip each of them is "a". Each file is close to 50 mb
in size.

When unzipped, you'll get

NSW02-1.piz
NSW02-2.piz
NSW02-3.piz
NSW02-4.piz

Rename them each to .zip. They are not password protected.

Create a directory (name doesn't matter) and move files 1, 2 and 3 into
that directory and unzip them into that directory. There should be no
conflicts or warnings to over-write any existing files.

For file 4, move it to the \SUPPORT\IE5 directory and unzip it's
contents into that directory.

When you're done all that, you should have an exact copy of the
directory structure of the NSW 2002 CD. There should be 10 files and 13
folders in the root directory. 590 files, 41 folders, 207 mb.

To install NSW-2002, just run setup.exe in the root.

Notes:

1) Before installing, you should go to add/remove programs in control
panel and check to see if you have any Symantec or Norton products
already there, including LiveUpdate, LiveReg, Norton AntiVirus, Norton
Utilities, or Norton SystemWorks. You will probably have to remove some
or most of them, and then re-boot your computer, for NSW2002 to install
itself correctly. You should also make sure your PC's clock/calendar is
set to the correct date.

2) Once you complete step 1, perform a file-find on your system and look
for a file called "catalog.livesubscribe" or just "catalog.*". If you
find that file (it will be in a norton or symantec directory) then it
must be deleted before you install this software.

3) After installing NSW2002, let it restart your system. There are
several settings in NAV that I turn off - like automatically check for
updates, and warn if virus def's are old. If it gives you the option of
registering the software - don't. It's not necessary for it to
function.

4) If you click on "Check for Updates" you will probably be told that
there is an update to Symantec Redirector, which can be downloaded but
may not install. In any case, it's my experience that both auto and
manual updating (liveupdate button) doesn't work, and hasn't worked
since maybe 2007. But that's ok, because you can download all program
updates and virus definitions from here (Symantec Intelligent Updater):

ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/englis...ymcdefsi32.exe

That file always contains the most recent virus definition update. So
download and run it as often as you want (even once a day if you're
paranoid).

5) After installing NSW 2002, you'll see that NAV 2002 will accept new
virus definition files for the next 366 days. After that, the
Intelligent Updater will not update the product. But that's ok, because
all you need to do is un-install and re-install NSW 2002 to get another
year's worth of functionality (so don't delete these files once you
download them! Keep them on your hard drive or burn them to a CD). One
thing to remember is that after uninstalling it, you will need to delete
the file "catalog.livesubscribe" in order to re-install and re-activate
it for another year.

6) If you have a large hard drive and/or if you've got a FAT-32 volume
with more than the usual 4 million clusters (perhaps a SATA or USB
drive), Norton Disk Doctor and Norton Speed disk are compatible with
volumes with up to 6.3 million clusters, but not more without using the
command-line parameter /NOLBA. When using this parameter, the upper
limit for NDD and SD is somewhere between 7.8 and 31 million clusters.
The switch /NOLBA forces NDD and SD to skip the drive configuration
check. This can also be done with a registry entry by adding a DWORD
registry value named NOLBACHECK at this location:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Symantec\Norton Utilities

When this option is set to 1, Norton Disk Doctor and Speed Disk skip the
drive configuration check.

5) BTW, NAV 2002 runs fine on Win-2K and XP (sp1, 2 and 3).

Norton SystemWorks 2002 CD includes:

- Norton CleanSweep 2002
- Norton AntiVirus 2002
- Norton Utilities 2002
- Roxio GoBack 3.0
- FastSafe (Fast & Safe Cleanup)
- Symantec Process Viewer
- Norton Rescue Disk version 15.0
- Microsoft Internet Explorer version 5.50.4134.600

Enjoy

On 03/04/2010 09:41 AM, 98 Guy wrote:

Take your garbage and ignorance back to where ever you came from
originally, which must have been one of the alt. psychosis groups...

The product you suggest has NO comprehension of the exploits and
methods being used today and has to rely upon someone USING Win9X
stumbling upon something being used within the Win9X environment and
supplying that BACK to Norton or with whom Norton participates ... when
the completely current and PRESENT AV can't really protect the SUPPORTED
OSs as evidenced by the millions of infected computers and massive
amounts of botnets and their activities bypassing those supposed
protections.
The world realizes you have a mental difficulties... you display that
constantly.
However, individuals unfamiliar with you may not; please stop posting
these types of materials in forums where people may not understand you
have mental and psychological difficulties.

--
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http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
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On 03/04/2010 09:41 AM, 98 Guy wrote:

Take your garbage and ignorance back to where ever you came from
originally, which must have been one of the alt. psychosis groups...

The product you suggest has NO comprehension of the exploits and
methods being used today and has to rely upon someone USING Win9X
stumbling upon something being used within the Win9X environment and
supplying that BACK to Norton or with whom Norton participates ... when
the completely current and PRESENT AV can't really protect the SUPPORTED
OSs as evidenced by the millions of infected computers and massive
amounts of botnets and their activities bypassing those supposed
protections.
The world realizes you have a mental difficulties... you display that
constantly.
However, individuals unfamiliar with you may not; please stop posting
these types of materials in forums where people may not understand you
have mental and psychological difficulties.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
___---

MEB wrote in
:

On 03/04/2010 09:41 AM, 98 Guy wrote:

Take your garbage and ignorance back to where ever you
came from
originally, which must have been one of the alt. psychosis
groups...

The product you suggest has NO comprehension of the
exploits and
methods being used today and has to rely upon someone USING
Win9X stumbling upon something being used within the Win9X
environment and supplying that BACK to Norton or with whom
Norton participates ... when the completely current and
PRESENT AV can't really protect the SUPPORTED OSs as
evidenced by the millions of infected computers and massive
amounts of botnets and their activities bypassing those
supposed protections.
The world realizes you have a mental difficulties... you
display that
constantly.
However, individuals unfamiliar with you may not; please
stop posting
these types of materials in forums where people may not
understand you have mental and psychological difficulties.

I have had 98guy plonked ever since he displayed his utter
assholiness with his reaction to my "stop posting about Terhune"
plea so I had to click on the reference to read what he actually
wrote - I can only assume that you were sufficiently upset by
what either he or I posted that you "formatted" your reply a
little confusingly, as seen above...

In any case, for now I will assume you are addressing 98guy's
insane post about the VERY (like early 90's) formerly great and
currently UTTER garbage Norton=Symantec product(s).

Please correct me if this assumption is wrong.

Any other comments are also welcome. Frankly, I was expecting at
least ten follow ups. Maybe all the other authors are in my KF?!

(...)

Well, fancy that. Disabled my KF and NO OTHER REPLIES! Oh
well...


--
The lonely child plays with eternity, while a gang of children
plays with time.
Karel Capek

MEB wrote in
:

On 03/04/2010 09:41 AM, 98 Guy wrote:

Take your garbage and ignorance back to where ever you
came from
originally, which must have been one of the alt. psychosis
groups...

The product you suggest has NO comprehension of the
exploits and
methods being used today and has to rely upon someone USING
Win9X stumbling upon something being used within the Win9X
environment and supplying that BACK to Norton or with whom
Norton participates ... when the completely current and
PRESENT AV can't really protect the SUPPORTED OSs as
evidenced by the millions of infected computers and massive
amounts of botnets and their activities bypassing those
supposed protections.
The world realizes you have a mental difficulties... you
display that
constantly.
However, individuals unfamiliar with you may not; please
stop posting
these types of materials in forums where people may not
understand you have mental and psychological difficulties.

I have had 98guy plonked ever since he displayed his utter
assholiness with his reaction to my "stop posting about Terhune"
plea so I had to click on the reference to read what he actually
wrote - I can only assume that you were sufficiently upset by
what either he or I posted that you "formatted" your reply a
little confusingly, as seen above...

In any case, for now I will assume you are addressing 98guy's
insane post about the VERY (like early 90's) formerly great and
currently UTTER garbage Norton=Symantec product(s).

Please correct me if this assumption is wrong.

Any other comments are also welcome. Frankly, I was expecting at
least ten follow ups. Maybe all the other authors are in my KF?!

(...)

Well, fancy that. Disabled my KF and NO OTHER REPLIES! Oh
well...


--
The lonely child plays with eternity, while a gang of children
plays with time.
Karel Capek