Posting In The Future?

I'm in UTC-8. D4 puts my system clock in UTC+8 even though the Time/Date
taskbar still shows me in the Pacific Daylight Time zone.

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
QP
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:51:10 -1600
/QP

Your post's date & time appear correctly but the above tells us that
something's still wrong. What did you do?

UTC -1600 would put you in Western Australia (e.g., Perth), but then the
date would be Fri., 19 Sept 2008.

You need to adjust both your date and time zone (which should be UTC -0700
for PDT currently).
--
~PA Bear


DaffyD® wrote:
How 'bout now?

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
And this one too is also dated TOMORROW! It ain't fixed, Daffy.

DaffyD® wrote:
"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:27:19 -1600, "DaffyD®" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Glen, I'm not sure what to do because everything that I can see
looks
fine.
I have been using a new computer for 2 weeks now but checking the
date/time
properties on the taskbar, the date and time do show PM, not AM.
What's
strange is that when I look at the time of your post in OE, it's
time
stamped 11:50 AM on the 17th, which means that per what I see your
reply
was
posted 9 hours before I posted the my question. Why would I be
seeing
the
opposite of what you see?

These are your original headers as I see them:

================================================== ==========
From: "DaffyD®"
Subject: Posting In The Future?
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:40:05 -1600
Lines: 12
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1933
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Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
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================================================== ==========

Your time zone appears to be set for GMT-16 hours (?) whereas Pacific
Daylight Time (PDT) is GMT-7 (USA & Canada).

Maybe that explains the 9 hours difference?

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Here are the headers from my email sent moments ago:

From: "DaffyD®"
References:



Subject: Posting In The Future?
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:56:44 -1600
Lines: 51
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"Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
...
"DaffyD®" wrote in message
...

"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:04:27 -1600, "DaffyD®" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
.. .

These are your original headers as I see them:

================================================== ==========
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:40:05 -1600
================================================== ==========

Your time zone appears to be set for GMT-16 hours (?) whereas
Pacific
Daylight Time (PDT) is GMT-7 (USA & Canada).

Here are the headers from my email sent moments ago:

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:56:44 -1600

You still have a problem. What Time Zone do you see when you
double-click the clock in the Systray?

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

(GMT-8:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada); Tijuana.


Which means your clock should read UTC -7. Because we're still on Daylight
time. See my reply to Franc, at 2:27 Pacific Daylight Time, for a fix. Or
just go to my site and follow the trail.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com


I used your program and now my system is set 3 hours ahead, which is at
least getting closer.
I also see that the tech who built this computer is already using TZ Edit.
How would I turn this off or delete it?

"Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
...
"DaffyD®" wrote in message
...

"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:04:27 -1600, "DaffyD®" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
.. .

These are your original headers as I see them:

================================================== ==========
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:40:05 -1600
================================================== ==========

Your time zone appears to be set for GMT-16 hours (?) whereas
Pacific
Daylight Time (PDT) is GMT-7 (USA & Canada).

Here are the headers from my email sent moments ago:

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:56:44 -1600

You still have a problem. What Time Zone do you see when you
double-click the clock in the Systray?

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

(GMT-8:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada); Tijuana.


Which means your clock should read UTC -7. Because we're still on Daylight
time. See my reply to Franc, at 2:27 Pacific Daylight Time, for a fix. Or
just go to my site and follow the trail.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

I did more fiddling around with TZ Edit and D4 and my system clock is now
synch'd with my watch. Hopefully the headers for this message should be
accurate.

On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 11:30:00 -1600, "DaffyD®" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

my answers are embedded below. these are both with D4 installed and
uninstalled. With D4 installed, my system clock reads 11:28 am--which is 9
hours before my current time of 8:28 pm.

Gary is probably the best person to advise you, but I believe the
ActiveTimeBias should be set to 480 or 420.

Did Gary's TZ updater utility restore the correct the data at the
following key?

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Time
Zones\Pacific

FWIW, my registry, with the original Microsoft TZ data, shows ...

"Display"="(GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada); Tijuana"
"Dlt"="Pacific Daylight Time"
"Std"="Pacific Standard Time"
"MapID"="32,33"
"TZI"=hex:e0,01,00,00,00,00,00,00,c4,ff,ff,ff,00,0 0,0a,00,00,00,05,00,02,00,00,\
00,00,00,00,00,00,00,04,00,00,00,01,00,02,00,00,00 ,00,00,00,00

As you can see, the BIAS is 0x000001e0 (=480 minutes).

"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:50:36 -1600, "DaffyD®" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

I installed a program called Dimension 4, but then it threw off my system
clock by 9 hours. Instead of it showing 8 pm my clock showed 11 am. So I
deleted the program.

I wonder if Dimension 4 changed this registry key:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation

What values do you have for the following paramaters:

"ActiveTimeBias" (960)
"StandardName" Pacific Standard Time
"DaylightName" Pacific Daylight Time
"Bias" (480)

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Ask here as well ? (Your ISP)
CustName: Wave Broadband
Address: Private Residence
City: Port Orchard
StateProv: WA


"DaffyD®" wrote in message
...
Bill, I'm going to ask the tech at work who gave me this computer what
he
thinks is going on. I mean, if the BIOS system clock is OK, and the
Windows
taskbar clock matches my watch, why would D4 synch me up with the
newsgroup
but throw off the Windows clock by 9 hrs? This is one of 2 mysteries
with
this computer that I need to solve.



"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
I'm using Dimension 4 (D4) too, but I don't have that same problem.
(If
IT is throwing your clock off by 9 hours, that sounds pretty weird).

DaffyD® wrote:
I installed a program called Dimension 4, but then it threw off my
system
clock by 9 hours. Instead of it showing 8 pm my clock showed 11 am.
So I
deleted the program.

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Now THAT is much better!! What did you do?

DaffyD® wrote:
How 'bout now?

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
And this one too is also dated TOMORROW! It ain't fixed, Daffy.

DaffyD® wrote:
"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:27:19 -1600, "DaffyD®"

put finger to keyboard and composed:

Glen, I'm not sure what to do because everything that I can see
looks
fine.
I have been using a new computer for 2 weeks now but checking
the
date/time
properties on the taskbar, the date and time do show PM, not
AM.
What's
strange is that when I look at the time of your post in OE,
it's
time
stamped 11:50 AM on the 17th, which means that per what I see
your
reply
was
posted 9 hours before I posted the my question. Why would I be
seeing
the
opposite of what you see?

These are your original headers as I see them:

================================================== ==========
From: "DaffyD®"
Subject: Posting In The Future?
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:40:05 -1600
Lines: 12
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1933
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1933
Message-ID:
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
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================================================== ==========

Your time zone appears to be set for GMT-16 hours (?) whereas
Pacific
Daylight Time (PDT) is GMT-7 (USA & Canada).

Maybe that explains the 9 hours difference?

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Here are the headers from my email sent moments ago:

From: "DaffyD®"
References:



Subject: Posting In The Future?
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:56:44 -1600
Lines: 51
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
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"DaffyD®" wrote in message
...

"Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
...
"DaffyD®" wrote in message
...

"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:04:27 -1600, "DaffyD®" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
.. .

These are your original headers as I see them:

================================================== ==========
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:40:05 -1600
================================================== ==========

Your time zone appears to be set for GMT-16 hours (?) whereas
Pacific
Daylight Time (PDT) is GMT-7 (USA & Canada).

Here are the headers from my email sent moments ago:

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:56:44 -1600

You still have a problem. What Time Zone do you see when you
double-click the clock in the Systray?

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

(GMT-8:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada); Tijuana.


Which means your clock should read UTC -7. Because we're still on
Daylight
time. See my reply to Franc, at 2:27 Pacific Daylight Time, for a fix. Or
just go to my site and follow the trail.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

I did more fiddling around with TZ Edit and D4 and my system clock is now
synch'd with my watch. Hopefully the headers for this message should be
accurate.

Looks fine to me. But it bothers me that using my update file didn't fix the
issue immediately, or didn't you try it without D4 in the mix? Without D4
being involved, the updater should have fixed the issue and I'd be very
interested to know if that wasn't the case. I don't know of any mechanism in
Win98 that would change that Registry key or its sub-keys.

Turns out that the most recent update to the TZ info in WinXP and above was
released a month ago.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/951072/

I'll be updating my files tomorrow, Sunday, but don't be surprised if it's
Monday or even Tuesday before I upload everything. The very first and only
monitor I ever bought for myself was a ViewSonic A75s, a CRT with "short
depth" dimensions. Spent the better part of its life powered up and serving
as my primary monitor. More recently it's been attached to whatever machine
happens to need it, usually my test machine. Well, when I cranked it up this
morning it started doing a snap, crackle, pop like it wanted to reincarnate
as an arc welder, so I've got to drag a used monitor out of the shed
tomorrow. Kinda sad, actually. that monitor had great color. IIRC, there's
not much left in the shed that will work decently enough, or be "short"
enough to fit on my desk. Gotta see if any of my "clients" have any flat
panels that need to be "recycled". Might have to buy a new one. That's
revolting.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:02:52 -0600, "Bill in Co."
wrote:

You post here (which just came in) is dated 07:27 AM tomorrow morning
(i.e,
Thursday, Sept 18)!! (As I write this it is 11 PM, on Wednesday
nite,
Sept 17)

DaffyD® wrote:
Glen, I'm not sure what to do because everything that I can see looks
fine.
I have been using a new computer for 2 weeks now but checking the
date/time
properties on the taskbar, the date and time do show PM, not AM. What's
strange is that when I look at the time of your post in OE, it's time
stamped 11:50 AM on the 17th, which means that per what I see your
reply
was
posted 9 hours before I posted the my question. Why would I be seeing
the
opposite of what you see?


The internet is on DRUGS !!!!!
Al Gore forgot to mention this.....

Whoa, dude. That's why I get high on surfin the 'net. Far out.

Bill, I'm going to ask the tech at work who gave me this computer what he
thinks is going on. I mean, if the BIOS system clock is OK, and the Windows
taskbar clock matches my watch, why would D4 synch me up with the newsgroup
but throw off the Windows clock by 9 hrs? This is one of 2 mysteries with
this computer that I need to solve.



"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
I'm using Dimension 4 (D4) too, but I don't have that same problem.
(If
IT is throwing your clock off by 9 hours, that sounds pretty weird).

DaffyD® wrote:
I installed a program called Dimension 4, but then it threw off my
system
clock by 9 hours. Instead of it showing 8 pm my clock showed 11 am. So I
deleted the program.

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Now THAT is much better!! What did you do?

DaffyD® wrote:
How 'bout now?

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
And this one too is also dated TOMORROW! It ain't fixed, Daffy.

DaffyD® wrote:
"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:27:19 -1600, "DaffyD®"
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Glen, I'm not sure what to do because everything that I can see
looks
fine.
I have been using a new computer for 2 weeks now but checking the
date/time
properties on the taskbar, the date and time do show PM, not AM.
What's
strange is that when I look at the time of your post in OE, it's
time
stamped 11:50 AM on the 17th, which means that per what I see your
reply
was
posted 9 hours before I posted the my question. Why would I be
seeing
the
opposite of what you see?

These are your original headers as I see them:

================================================== ==========
From: "DaffyD®"
Subject: Posting In The Future?
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:40:05 -1600
Lines: 12
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1933
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1933
Message-ID:
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl
Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
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================================================== ==========

Your time zone appears to be set for GMT-16 hours (?) whereas
Pacific
Daylight Time (PDT) is GMT-7 (USA & Canada).

Maybe that explains the 9 hours difference?

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Here are the headers from my email sent moments ago:

From: "DaffyD®"
References:



Subject: Posting In The Future?
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:56:44 -1600
Lines: 51
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
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"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 11:30:00 -1600, "DaffyD®" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

my answers are embedded below. these are both with D4 installed and
uninstalled. With D4 installed, my system clock reads 11:28 am--which is
9
hours before my current time of 8:28 pm.

Gary is probably the best person to advise you, but I believe the
ActiveTimeBias should be set to 480 or 420.

Did Gary's TZ updater utility restore the correct the data at the
following key?

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Time
Zones\Pacific

FWIW, my registry, with the original Microsoft TZ data, shows ...

"Display"="(GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada); Tijuana"
"Dlt"="Pacific Daylight Time"
"Std"="Pacific Standard Time"
"MapID"="32,33"

"TZI"=hex:e0,01,00,00,00,00,00,00,c4,ff,ff,ff,00,0 0,0a,00,00,00,05,00,02,00,
00,\
00,00,00,00,00,00,00,04,00,00,00,01,00,02,00,00,00 ,00,00,00,00

As you can see, the BIAS is 0x000001e0 (=480 minutes).

"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:50:36 -1600, "DaffyD®" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

I installed a program called Dimension 4, but then it threw off my
system
clock by 9 hours. Instead of it showing 8 pm my clock showed 11 am. So
I
deleted the program.

I wonder if Dimension 4 changed this registry key:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation

What values do you have for the following paramaters:

"ActiveTimeBias" (960)
"StandardName" Pacific Standard Time
"DaylightName" Pacific Daylight Time
"Bias" (480)

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

It may be due to Gary's program, Bias is now 0x000001e0 (480). What did
change is that ActiveTimeBias which is now 0x000001a4 (420). The change came
out by futzing around with Gary's program, TZEDIT, and then D4. If the
headers are still wrong, I'm throwing in the towel. Actually, I'll keep it
for a beach towel and head for the Southern California beaches, smack dab in
the PDT UTC-7, and where the only headers you see are on muscle cars and
surfer dudes wiping out on the big waves. Ciao!
--
DaffyD®

If I Knew Where I Was I'd Be There Now.

Screw D4. Uninstall it.

UTC and GMT are *not* always the same: During British Summer Time (BST), GMT
= UTC +1 (or +0100). Therefore...

PDT = UTC -7 (or -0700) = GMT -8 (or -0800)

DaffyD® wrote:
I'm in UTC-8. D4 puts my system clock in UTC+8 even though the Time/Date
taskbar still shows me in the Pacific Daylight Time zone.

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
QP
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:51:10 -1600
/QP

Your post's date & time appear correctly but the above tells us that
something's still wrong. What did you do?

UTC -1600 would put you in Western Australia (e.g., Perth), but then the
date would be Fri., 19 Sept 2008.

You need to adjust both your date and time zone (which should be
UTC -0700
for PDT currently).
--
~PA Bear


DaffyD® wrote:
How 'bout now?

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
And this one too is also dated TOMORROW! It ain't fixed, Daffy.

DaffyD® wrote:
"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:27:19 -1600, "DaffyD®" put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Glen, I'm not sure what to do because everything that I can see
looks
fine.
I have been using a new computer for 2 weeks now but checking the
date/time
properties on the taskbar, the date and time do show PM, not AM.
What's
strange is that when I look at the time of your post in OE, it's
time
stamped 11:50 AM on the 17th, which means that per what I see your
reply
was
posted 9 hours before I posted the my question. Why would I be
seeing
the
opposite of what you see?

These are your original headers as I see them:

================================================== ==========
From: "DaffyD®"
Subject: Posting In The Future?
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:40:05 -1600
Lines: 12
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1933
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1933
Message-ID:
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
NNTP-Posting-Host: 24-113-202-109.wavecable.com 24.113.202.109
Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl
Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl
microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion:845131
================================================== ==========

Your time zone appears to be set for GMT-16 hours (?) whereas Pacific
Daylight Time (PDT) is GMT-7 (USA & Canada).

Maybe that explains the 9 hours difference?

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Here are the headers from my email sent moments ago:

From: "DaffyD®"
References:



Subject: Posting In The Future?
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:56:44 -1600
Lines: 51
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1933
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Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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