Using BING to partition copy only the area with data?

This may be a bit naive, but I'm trying to preserve my folder and subfolder
dates in this specific quest here. So I want to use BING for a partition
copy, as follows:

Here is my situation: I have a 40 GB FAT32 drive, split into two IDENTICAL
size partitions of 20 GB each (give or take).

I have some stuff on the C partition that I want to copy (exactly, including
the folder and subfolder dates) over to the D partition, but I also want to
leave some of the stuff I now have on the D partition untouched (and there
is plenty of room for this, even if I copy ALL of C's folders and files,
which I'm sure I would have to do in partition copy).

Am I correct in understanding this is NOT possible at the (BING) level?
That if I want to copy the C partition data (even all of it, which is about
10 GB worth) to the D partition, preserving folder dates, it's an all or
nothing proposition, and everything now on the D partition (about 4 GB) will
be obliterated in the process?

You have it right. BING can't do what you're thinking of doing.

What is it, precisely, that you want to do? Make a backup as an Image? I
*think* you can store an Image file on partitioned space, but
regardless, it's inaccessible until you restore it to free space.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
This may be a bit naive, but I'm trying to preserve my folder and
subfolder
dates in this specific quest here. So I want to use BING for a
partition
copy, as follows:

Here is my situation: I have a 40 GB FAT32 drive, split into two
IDENTICAL
size partitions of 20 GB each (give or take).

I have some stuff on the C partition that I want to copy (exactly,
including
the folder and subfolder dates) over to the D partition, but I also
want to
leave some of the stuff I now have on the D partition untouched (and
there
is plenty of room for this, even if I copy ALL of C's folders and
files,
which I'm sure I would have to do in partition copy).

Am I correct in understanding this is NOT possible at the (BING)
level?
That if I want to copy the C partition data (even all of it, which is
about
10 GB worth) to the D partition, preserving folder dates, it's an all
or
nothing proposition, and everything now on the D partition (about 4
GB) will
be obliterated in the process?

Not using BING right now, but that sounds correct... if you are doing a copy of the
partition, it will replace whatever is there now with the copy. Why not just make
an image? BING will create an image, as will Terabyteunlimited's standalone Image
for Windows. It can create an image file that can be saved anywhere there is room,
just like any other file.
--
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"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
This may be a bit naive, but I'm trying to preserve my folder and subfolder
dates in this specific quest here. So I want to use BING for a partition
copy, as follows:

Here is my situation: I have a 40 GB FAT32 drive, split into two IDENTICAL
size partitions of 20 GB each (give or take).

I have some stuff on the C partition that I want to copy (exactly, including
the folder and subfolder dates) over to the D partition, but I also want to
leave some of the stuff I now have on the D partition untouched (and there
is plenty of room for this, even if I copy ALL of C's folders and files,
which I'm sure I would have to do in partition copy).

Am I correct in understanding this is NOT possible at the (BING) level?
That if I want to copy the C partition data (even all of it, which is about
10 GB worth) to the D partition, preserving folder dates, it's an all or
nothing proposition, and everything now on the D partition (about 4 GB) will
be obliterated in the process?

The all or nothing is correct; however, when you shoot an image, you must
have free (unpartitioned) space to paste it to so you would have to reduce
the size of your D: partition.

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"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
This may be a bit naive, but I'm trying to preserve my folder and
subfolder
dates in this specific quest here. So I want to use BING for a
partition
copy, as follows:

Here is my situation: I have a 40 GB FAT32 drive, split into two
IDENTICAL
size partitions of 20 GB each (give or take).

I have some stuff on the C partition that I want to copy (exactly,
including
the folder and subfolder dates) over to the D partition, but I also want
to
leave some of the stuff I now have on the D partition untouched (and there
is plenty of room for this, even if I copy ALL of C's folders and files,
which I'm sure I would have to do in partition copy).

Am I correct in understanding this is NOT possible at the (BING) level?
That if I want to copy the C partition data (even all of it, which is
about
10 GB worth) to the D partition, preserving folder dates, it's an all or
nothing proposition, and everything now on the D partition (about 4 GB)
will
be obliterated in the process?

In response to you and Glen, I am not trying to make a backup image. All I
want to do is move some of my old system folders over to the D partition,
preserving their date and time stamps, so that I retain a timeline on those
files and folders.

Let me explain what I do here, as a matter of practice. Perhaps that will
help....

On the few occasions where I've had to do a clean install, I always save (by
renaming) the complete \windows and \program files folders on the same
drive, and keep them there for a VERY VERY useful reference. (I don't
format the disk, but it's still a clean install).

But I don't want these on the C partition anymore - I'd rather free up some
space there, and move em over to the D partition, preserving all the folder
and file timestamps. I really find that time and datestamp history VERY
useful after I've done a clean reinstall, and am reinstalling all of my
programs)

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
You have it right. BING can't do what you're thinking of doing.

What is it, precisely, that you want to do? Make a backup as an Image? I
*think* you can store an Image file on partitioned space, but
regardless, it's inaccessible until you restore it to free space.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
This may be a bit naive, but I'm trying to preserve my folder and
subfolder
dates in this specific quest here. So I want to use BING for a
partition
copy, as follows:

Here is my situation: I have a 40 GB FAT32 drive, split into two
IDENTICAL
size partitions of 20 GB each (give or take).

I have some stuff on the C partition that I want to copy (exactly,
including
the folder and subfolder dates) over to the D partition, but I also want
to
leave some of the stuff I now have on the D partition untouched (and
there
is plenty of room for this, even if I copy ALL of C's folders and files,
which I'm sure I would have to do in partition copy).

Am I correct in understanding this is NOT possible at the (BING) level?
That if I want to copy the C partition data (even all of it, which is
about
10 GB worth) to the D partition, preserving folder dates, it's an all or
nothing proposition, and everything now on the D partition (about 4 GB)
will
be obliterated in the process?

Well, Date Modified doesn't change for files that you copy from one
place to another, but it does for folders. Frankly, while I, too, find
Date Modified quite useful for files, I've never considered it important
for folders. One thing that you might consider is a script that would
read the Date Modified for each folder you intend to copy, and then
append that date value to the folder name. Could even do the copying
using that same script.

You say that maintaining this info is VERY useful, but you don't say
why, so it's hard to advise in more detail.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
In response to you and Glen, I am not trying to make a backup image.
All I
want to do is move some of my old system folders over to the D
partition,
preserving their date and time stamps, so that I retain a timeline on
those
files and folders.

Let me explain what I do here, as a matter of practice. Perhaps that
will
help....

On the few occasions where I've had to do a clean install, I always
save (by
renaming) the complete \windows and \program files folders on the same
drive, and keep them there for a VERY VERY useful reference. (I
don't
format the disk, but it's still a clean install).

But I don't want these on the C partition anymore - I'd rather free up
some
space there, and move em over to the D partition, preserving all the
folder
and file timestamps. I really find that time and datestamp history
VERY
useful after I've done a clean reinstall, and am reinstalling all of
my
programs)

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
You have it right. BING can't do what you're thinking of doing.

What is it, precisely, that you want to do? Make a backup as an
Image? I
*think* you can store an Image file on partitioned space, but
regardless, it's inaccessible until you restore it to free space.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
This may be a bit naive, but I'm trying to preserve my folder and
subfolder
dates in this specific quest here. So I want to use BING for a
partition
copy, as follows:

Here is my situation: I have a 40 GB FAT32 drive, split into two
IDENTICAL
size partitions of 20 GB each (give or take).

I have some stuff on the C partition that I want to copy (exactly,
including
the folder and subfolder dates) over to the D partition, but I also
want
to
leave some of the stuff I now have on the D partition untouched
(and
there
is plenty of room for this, even if I copy ALL of C's folders and
files,
which I'm sure I would have to do in partition copy).

Am I correct in understanding this is NOT possible at the (BING)
level?
That if I want to copy the C partition data (even all of it, which
is
about
10 GB worth) to the D partition, preserving folder dates, it's an
all or
nothing proposition, and everything now on the D partition (about 4
GB)
will
be obliterated in the process?

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Well, Date Modified doesn't change for files that you copy from one
place to another, but it does for folders. Frankly, while I, too, find
Date Modified quite useful for files, I've never considered it important
for folders. One thing that you might consider is a script that would
read the Date Modified for each folder you intend to copy, and then
append that date value to the folder name. Could even do the copying
using that same script.

You say that maintaining this info is VERY useful, but you don't say
why, so it's hard to advise in more detail.

Because I am pretty diligent about issues arriving after the installation of
some programs, and the time history helps. I like to know when I
previously installed things - it comes in handy sometimes, especially when
some weird configuration problems arrise after a new installation.

You would think *by now* there would be SOME utility program available that
would copy folders and files *preserving all date and time stamps*
(including folders) in Win98SE.

As I understand it, it is difficult to do this in Win9x (like there aren't
any such programatic windows "service calls" available.

You know, a program could be a bit creative, and even (temporarily) reset
the date of the computer to create (mimic) each source folder datestamp, and
then reset it back again before terminating (IF that was necessary).

Have you found any utilities that WILL preserve folder dates (for Win9x)?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
In response to you and Glen, I am not trying to make a backup image. All
I
want to do is move some of my old system folders over to the D partition,
preserving their date and time stamps, so that I retain a timeline on
those
files and folders.

Let me explain what I do here, as a matter of practice. Perhaps that
will
help....

On the few occasions where I've had to do a clean install, I always save
(by
renaming) the complete \windows and \program files folders on the same
drive, and keep them there for a VERY VERY useful reference. (I don't
format the disk, but it's still a clean install).

But I don't want these on the C partition anymore - I'd rather free up
some
space there, and move em over to the D partition, preserving all the
folder
and file timestamps. I really find that time and datestamp history VERY
useful after I've done a clean reinstall, and am reinstalling all of my
programs)

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
You have it right. BING can't do what you're thinking of doing.

What is it, precisely, that you want to do? Make a backup as an Image? I
*think* you can store an Image file on partitioned space, but
regardless, it's inaccessible until you restore it to free space.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
This may be a bit naive, but I'm trying to preserve my folder and
subfolder
dates in this specific quest here. So I want to use BING for a
partition copy, as follows:

Here is my situation: I have a 40 GB FAT32 drive, split into two
IDENTICAL size partitions of 20 GB each (give or take).

I have some stuff on the C partition that I want to copy (exactly,
including the folder and subfolder dates) over to the D partition, but
I
also want to leave some of the stuff I now have on the D partition
untouched (and there is plenty of room for this, even if I copy ALL of
C's
folders and files, which I'm sure I would have to do in partition
copy).

Am I correct in understanding this is NOT possible at the (BING) level?
That if I want to copy the C partition data (even all of it, which is
about
10 GB worth) to the D partition, preserving folder dates, it's an all
or
nothing proposition, and everything now on the D partition (about 4 GB)
will be obliterated in the process?

Bill in Co. wrote:
In response to you and Glen, I am not trying to make a backup image.
All I want to do is move some of my old system folders over to the D
partition, preserving their date and time stamps, so that I retain a
timeline on those files and folders.

Can't think of an app for that but if a *list* of the folders and their
creation (not mod)dates would help there is FolderReport. The list can
be in various formats and could be stored wherever you move them.
http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/index.html

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Bill in Co. wrote:
Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Well, Date Modified doesn't change for files that you copy from one
place to another, but it does for folders. Frankly, while I, too,
find Date Modified quite useful for files, I've never considered it
important for folders. One thing that you might consider is a script
that would read the Date Modified for each folder you intend to
copy, and then append that date value to the folder name. Could even
do the copying using that same script.

You say that maintaining this info is VERY useful, but you don't say
why, so it's hard to advise in more detail.

Because I am pretty diligent about issues arriving after the
installation of some programs, and the time history helps. I like
to know when I previously installed things - it comes in handy
sometimes, especially when some weird configuration problems arrise
after a new installation.

yawn Use TUN and you will always have the install dates at your
finger tips.

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dadiOH wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote:
Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Well, Date Modified doesn't change for files that you copy from one
place to another, but it does for folders. Frankly, while I, too,
find Date Modified quite useful for files, I've never considered it
important for folders. One thing that you might consider is a script
that would read the Date Modified for each folder you intend to
copy, and then append that date value to the folder name. Could even
do the copying using that same script.

You say that maintaining this info is VERY useful, but you don't say
why, so it's hard to advise in more detail.

Because I am pretty diligent about issues arriving after the
installation of some programs, and the time history helps. I like
to know when I previously installed things - it comes in handy
sometimes, especially when some weird configuration problems arrise
after a new installation.

yawn Use TUN and you will always have the install dates at your
finger tips.

Heck, if all you want is your install dates you could just write the
info down. Spreadsheet preferred, you can sort.

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