Deleted files don't show up in Recycle Bin

Looking in windows/dos prompt as you mentioned, DIR /V C:\RECYCLED reports
as before-
DIR
. DIR
.. DIR

DC1
DC8- DC11, DC13 etc.

below that, a free disk space summary of the hard drive


OK. But after running the last batch file I posted? Run it then check with
DIR /V C:\RECYCLED and a desktop.ini ought to exist! Guess I'll have to
investigate this aspect.

I'm torn between thinking either this is something so simple I'm not seeing
the wood for the trees, or it's so critical that re-installation would be
the only sensible approach.

In W98, when recycle bin is deleted, it is gone until a file is deleted,
that recreates it. In ME, it seems to be recreated automatically on
reboot?

No, same as in Win 98. Only difference I see on my systems is in ME you
don't have to boot to DOS to do the deleting.

When did this problem start?
About a month ago, sorry, I can't any longer recall that. There hasn't
been a crash, etc. though. I cold boot each time I use the computer, my
main computer is a different one.


Okay. I asked before if you'd used a Registry Cleaner and you said about a
month ago. Coincidence? Maybe.

Does it have a backup you can restore? If so, do e-mail a copy to me! I can
edit it to delete reg keys from a test ME system and see what happens.

Do you have any System Restore points predating it (alas disabled, iirc)?

After Rick suggested it, I disabled System Restore last week, but it must
have been not active before, as the System Restore points were all dated
5/05, before I got the computer. Nothing more recent, so I deleted them.

Right. I begin to suspect this system was pretty screwed up before you got
it.

Rick may be a user who disables System Restore who knows what he's doing,
but most of them are irresponsible children. You know the way teenagers
think they should be running the world?

You should re-enable your SR - this is the kind of problem it's designed
for, the kind that only *experts* recovered from in previous versions of
Windows. Mike Maltby has memorably likened disabling System Restore to
throwing away the lifeboat. Maybe Olympic-standard swimmers may reasonably
do so, but if they advise everyone else to, they must be somewhere around
moron level. Great swimmers but stupid as hell! ;-)

But, no, yours can't have been running anyway. Shame, as it's the source of
registry backups older than five days or so, though whether it'd be a good
idea restoring back more than a month in this situation, who knows?

All the folders are dated 12/03
In Restore/Temp folder, the files are dated 2/16/06, although I've used
the computer right up to today.

Nothing large, I suppose. It's disabled in My
Computer\Properties\...etc...\Troubleshooting (the precise wording of the
path escapes me for the moment here in XP)? I can quite imagine small temp
files still being made. Perhaps you should re-enable it and verify that it
works. Is the system up-to-date, all critical-and-security updates
installed?

What CD do you have with this system?Do you have
C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\INSTALL\BASE2.CAB or C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS\BASE2.CAB
and about 121 other files?

Shane

You should re-enable your SR - this is the kind of problem it's
designed for, the kind that only *experts* recovered from in previous
versions of Windows. Mike Maltby has memorably likened disabling
System Restore to throwing away the lifeboat. Maybe Olympic-standard
swimmers may reasonably do so, but if they advise everyone else to,
they must be somewhere around moron level. Great swimmers but stupid
as hell! ;-)

Shane,

I've a rough idea of what I'm doing yet I've just had to use SR three
times in the last hour or so on an XP box here where I was attempting to
update the usb driver and player for a Compro 2200 DVB-T TV receiver
connected to a usb 2 port. After the upgrade no errors reported but no
sound or vision. SR enabled me to roll back to a working system and then
retry the install. After 3 attempts I'm convinced the update doesn't work
with PAL devices.

I could have restored system images (I use BING) but an SR restore taking
less than 2 minutes is quicker.
--
Mike


Shane wrote:

Looking in windows/dos prompt as you mentioned, DIR /V C:\RECYCLED
reports as before-
DIR
. DIR
.. DIR

DC1
DC8- DC11, DC13 etc.

below that, a free disk space summary of the hard drive


OK. But after running the last batch file I posted? Run it then check
with DIR /V C:\RECYCLED and a desktop.ini ought to exist! Guess I'll
have to investigate this aspect.

I'm torn between thinking either this is something so simple I'm not
seeing the wood for the trees, or it's so critical that
re-installation would be the only sensible approach.

In W98, when recycle bin is deleted, it is gone until a file is
deleted, that recreates it. In ME, it seems to be recreated
automatically on reboot?

No, same as in Win 98. Only difference I see on my systems is in ME
you don't have to boot to DOS to do the deleting.

When did this problem start?
About a month ago, sorry, I can't any longer recall that. There
hasn't been a crash, etc. though. I cold boot each time I use the
computer, my main computer is a different one.


Okay. I asked before if you'd used a Registry Cleaner and you said
about a month ago. Coincidence? Maybe.

Does it have a backup you can restore? If so, do e-mail a copy to me!
I can edit it to delete reg keys from a test ME system and see what
happens.
Do you have any System Restore points predating it (alas disabled,
iirc)?

After Rick suggested it, I disabled System Restore last week, but it
must have been not active before, as the System Restore points were
all dated 5/05, before I got the computer. Nothing more recent, so I
deleted them.

Right. I begin to suspect this system was pretty screwed up before
you got it.

Rick may be a user who disables System Restore who knows what he's
doing, but most of them are irresponsible children. You know the way
teenagers think they should be running the world?

You should re-enable your SR - this is the kind of problem it's
designed for, the kind that only *experts* recovered from in previous
versions of Windows. Mike Maltby has memorably likened disabling
System Restore to throwing away the lifeboat. Maybe Olympic-standard
swimmers may reasonably do so, but if they advise everyone else to,
they must be somewhere around moron level. Great swimmers but stupid
as hell! ;-)
But, no, yours can't have been running anyway. Shame, as it's the
source of registry backups older than five days or so, though whether
it'd be a good idea restoring back more than a month in this
situation, who knows?
All the folders are dated 12/03
In Restore/Temp folder, the files are dated 2/16/06, although I've
used the computer right up to today.

Nothing large, I suppose. It's disabled in My
Computer\Properties\...etc...\Troubleshooting (the precise wording of
the path escapes me for the moment here in XP)? I can quite imagine
small temp files still being made. Perhaps you should re-enable it
and verify that it works. Is the system up-to-date, all
critical-and-security updates installed?

What CD do you have with this system?Do you have
C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\INSTALL\BASE2.CAB or
C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS\BASE2.CAB and about 121 other files?

Shane

"Mike M" wrote in message
...
You should re-enable your SR - this is the kind of problem it's
designed for, the kind that only *experts* recovered from in previous
versions of Windows. Mike Maltby has memorably likened disabling
System Restore to throwing away the lifeboat. Maybe Olympic-standard
swimmers may reasonably do so, but if they advise everyone else to,
they must be somewhere around moron level. Great swimmers but stupid
as hell! ;-)

Shane,

I've a rough idea of what I'm doing yet I've just had to use SR three
times in the last hour or so on an XP box here where I was attempting to
update the usb driver and player for a Compro 2200 DVB-T TV receiver
connected to a usb 2 port. After the upgrade no errors reported but no
sound or vision. SR enabled me to roll back to a working system and then
retry the install. After 3 attempts I'm convinced the update doesn't work
with PAL devices.


Great example, Mike. Yes, I love the driver rollback in XP, I wish it could
be retro-fitted to ME - but it's never going to happen, is it sigh

I could have restored system images (I use BING) but an SR restore taking
less than 2 minutes is quicker.

Hard to argue with the convenience of it!

I should probably state for the record that, while Olympic-standard swimmers
*may* have some justification for throwing away the lifeboat, personally I
think they'd be nuts too! Maybe if their boat went down on the Serpentine...

I really musy get up on the current tv/computer technology. Obviously I
can't do a lot, I can't build bikes, I can't ride them and I can't get out
of it, so I watch a lot of Sky (although I did finally read a few chapters
of A Canticle For Leibowitz). I keep wishing I could just block certain
programs so that I never see their names again! I'm thinking more and more
that I ought to have it connected to the computer.

Shane

Shane wrote:

Great example, Mike. Yes, I love the driver rollback in XP, I wish it
could be retro-fitted to ME - but it's never going to happen, is it
sigh

The problem doesn't I think involve the drivers (which are the same as
before) but rather the new version of the Compro viewer. I just can't get
it to show anything although it says my signal strength is OK (but that's
another very long story) and identifies the channel. One thing about this
particular device is that it seems to be really power hungry. It's self
powered from the usb socket but needs two cables to two different usb
sockets so I'm guessing it needs to draw up to an amp given the 500mA
limit for each usb port.

I could have restored system images (I use BING) but an SR restore
taking less than 2 minutes is quicker.

Hard to argue with the convenience of it!

I should probably state for the record that, while Olympic-standard
swimmers *may* have some justification for throwing away the
lifeboat, personally I think they'd be nuts too! Maybe if their boat
went down on the Serpentine...

But without a lifeboat, even on the Serpentine, one would get wet. g

I really musy get up on the current tv/computer technology. Obviously
I can't do a lot, I can't build bikes, I can't ride them and I can't
get out of it,

Sadly that sounds a bit like me too.

so I watch a lot of Sky

Since I don't have a dish, no Sky just DVB-T (terrestrial digital). I do
seem to have aerial problems, both to the PC and also to the TV and can't
help but wonder if getting a dish might be the way to go. I get great
picture and sound most of the time and then suddenly get a glitch even
though signal strength seems to be good. Makes for some lousy captures,
especially when the glitch ends up with me having audio synch problems as
well as the all too familiar video decoding blotchy streak.

(although I did finally read a
few chapters of A Canticle For Leibowitz). I keep wishing I could
just block certain programs so that I never see their names again!
I'm thinking more and more that I ought to have it connected to the
computer.

I've been reading a fair bit recently but nothing particularly memorable -
mainly visual wallpaper. :-)
--
Mike

Hi,


You should mind if the files are erased it is still possible to restore
using data recovery tools such as Active@ Undelete and Uneraser(DOS).
These are mighty utils that never failed me before and worked simply
great, never allowing data loss. Give it a try in need.

http://www.active-undelete.com/

http://www.uneraser.com/

Sorry I am late in responding, terribly busy on my W98 P166 doing file work to
prepare for new W98SE computer.

I ran ME this morning, results inline:

Shane wrote:
Looking in windows/dos prompt as you mentioned, DIR /V C:\RECYCLED reports
as before-
DIR
. DIR
.. DIR

DC1
DC8- DC11, DC13 etc.

below that, a free disk space summary of the hard drive



OK. But after running the last batch file I posted? Run it then check with
DIR /V C:\RECYCLED and a desktop.ini ought to exist! Guess I'll have to
investigate this aspect.

I ran delin.bat , then ran DIR /V C:\RECYCLED from a windows dos prompt as you
said. Here is what I see:
----------------------
Volume Serial Number is 7616-5134
Directory of C:\Recycled
File Name Size Allocated Modified Accessed Attrib


.. DIR 02-16-06 4:20p 02-16-06 D
..
... DIR 02-16-06 4:20p 02-16-06 D
...
DC1 DIR 02-20-06 11:17a 02-20-06 D
Dc1
DC9 DIR 12-01-05 2:36p 12-01-05 D
Dc9
DC10 DIR 02-28-06 9:36a 02-28-06 D
Dc10
DC11 TXT 0 0 02-28-06 9:55a 02-28-06 A
Dc11.txt
DC8 8 DIR 02-20-06 11:37a 02-20-06 D
Dc8.8
1 file(s) 0 bytes
6 dir(s) 0 bytes allocated
14,744.84 MB free
19,075.66 MB total disk space, 22% in use

C:\WINDOWS
---------

I'm torn between thinking either this is something so simple I'm not seeing
the wood for the trees, or it's so critical that re-installation would be
the only sensible approach.


In W98, when recycle bin is deleted, it is gone until a file is deleted,
that recreates it. In ME, it seems to be recreated automatically on
reboot?


No, same as in Win 98. Only difference I see on my systems is in ME you
don't have to boot to DOS to do the deleting.


When did this problem start?

About a month ago, sorry, I can't any longer recall that. There hasn't
been a crash, etc. though. I cold boot each time I use the computer, my
main computer is a different one.



Okay. I asked before if you'd used a Registry Cleaner and you said about a
month ago. Coincidence? Maybe.

Does it have a backup you can restore? If so, do e-mail a copy to me! I can
edit it to delete reg keys from a test ME system and see what happens.


Do you have any System Restore points predating it (alas disabled, iirc)?

After Rick suggested it, I disabled System Restore last week, but it must
have been not active before, as the System Restore points were all dated
5/05, before I got the computer. Nothing more recent, so I deleted them.


Right. I begin to suspect this system was pretty screwed up before you got
it.

Rick may be a user who disables System Restore who knows what he's doing,
but most of them are irresponsible children. You know the way teenagers
think they should be running the world?

You should re-enable your SR - this is the kind of problem it's designed
for, the kind that only *experts* recovered from in previous versions of
Windows. Mike Maltby has memorably likened disabling System Restore to
throwing away the lifeboat. Maybe Olympic-standard swimmers may reasonably
do so, but if they advise everyone else to, they must be somewhere around
moron level. Great swimmers but stupid as hell! ;-)

Strange, last week I did disable it, just went to that screen to enable it, it IS
enabled!!!! I dunno. But there are no restore points created, though. I looked in
the Restore folder, each subfolder, only the same cab files from several weeks ago
that I described earlier.

But, no, yours can't have been running anyway. Shame, as it's the source of
registry backups older than five days or so, though whether it'd be a good
idea restoring back more than a month in this situation, who knows?


All the folders are dated 12/03
In Restore/Temp folder, the files are dated 2/16/06, although I've used
the computer right up to today.


Nothing large, I suppose. It's disabled in My
Computer\Properties\...etc...\Troubleshooting (the precise wording of the
path escapes me for the moment here in XP)? I can quite imagine small temp
files still being made. Perhaps you should re-enable it and verify that it
works. Is the system up-to-date, all critical-and-security updates
installed?

What CD do you have with this system?Do you have
C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\INSTALL\BASE2.CAB or C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS\BASE2.CAB
and about 121 other files?

No CD, but I do have 63 files in the INSTALL folder. I see setup.exe

Hopefully this muddle won't result in reinstall, then I would want to install W98SE.


Advice, and thanks.

Mike

Mike,

I'd be surprised if you're still there and more surprised if this is still
ongoing. I have post marked as read once it's a week or two old and,
frankly, if I'd thought this was going to last as long as it has I'd never
have posted to begin with - in part because I always knew my father would be
undergoing open heart surgery and sure enough the last weeks I've been
travelling a great deal and not had time for posting. I still don't, beyond
a short response such as this.

You almost seemed to refuse to answer re the backup for that registry
cleaning operation, that I asked you - twice now - to send me. It recalls to
mind the command you didn't run because you didn't know what it did, ie you
seem to be willing to waste my time and yours.

Whatever, this to me is one of those operations that is not worth
troubleshooting beyond a certain period, and rather warrants
re-installation. Whether you have the installation files to begin with, is
another matter. I would not bother with an Operating System that did not
have the installation files. The contents of the Install\CABS folder you
mention are almost certainly the files placed there by updates only and the
question would be whether you have a hidden partition containing the full
setup files. Except, that is, you say you'd rather install Win 98 than
re-install ME anyway.

So. That's that. Shame I can't hang about and fail to contract so much as a
tracking cookie, but time marches on it's stomach and all that!


Shane

Sorry I am late in responding, terribly busy on my W98 P166 doing
file work to prepare for new W98SE computer.

I ran ME this morning, results inline:

Shane wrote:
Looking in windows/dos prompt as you mentioned, DIR /V C:\RECYCLED
reports as before-
DIR
. DIR
.. DIR

DC1
DC8- DC11, DC13 etc.

below that, a free disk space summary of the hard drive



OK. But after running the last batch file I posted? Run it then
check with DIR /V C:\RECYCLED and a desktop.ini ought to exist!
Guess I'll have to investigate this aspect.

I ran delin.bat , then ran DIR /V C:\RECYCLED from a windows dos
prompt as you said. Here is what I see:
----------------------
Volume Serial Number is 7616-5134
Directory of C:\Recycled
File Name Size Allocated Modified Accessed Attrib

. DIR 02-16-06 4:20p 02-16-06 D .
.. DIR 02-16-06 4:20p 02-16-06 D ..
DC1 DIR 02-20-06 11:17a 02-20-06 D Dc1
DC9 DIR 12-01-05 2:36p 12-01-05 D Dc9
DC10 DIR 02-28-06 9:36a 02-28-06 D
Dc10
DC11 TXT 0 0 02-28-06 9:55a 02-28-06 A
Dc11.txt
DC8 8 DIR 02-20-06 11:37a 02-20-06 D
Dc8.8
1 file(s) 0 bytes
6 dir(s) 0 bytes allocated
14,744.84 MB free
19,075.66 MB total disk space, 22% in use

C:\WINDOWS
---------

I'm torn between thinking either this is something so simple I'm not
seeing the wood for the trees, or it's so critical that
re-installation would be the only sensible approach.


In W98, when recycle bin is deleted, it is gone until a file is
deleted, that recreates it. In ME, it seems to be recreated
automatically on reboot?


No, same as in Win 98. Only difference I see on my systems is in ME
you don't have to boot to DOS to do the deleting.


When did this problem start?

About a month ago, sorry, I can't any longer recall that. There
hasn't been a crash, etc. though. I cold boot each time I use the
computer, my main computer is a different one.



Okay. I asked before if you'd used a Registry Cleaner and you said
about a month ago. Coincidence? Maybe.

Does it have a backup you can restore? If so, do e-mail a copy to
me! I can edit it to delete reg keys from a test ME system and see
what happens.
Do you have any System Restore points predating it (alas disabled,
iirc)?

After Rick suggested it, I disabled System Restore last week, but
it must have been not active before, as the System Restore points
were all dated 5/05, before I got the computer. Nothing more
recent, so I deleted them.


Right. I begin to suspect this system was pretty screwed up before
you got it.

Rick may be a user who disables System Restore who knows what he's
doing, but most of them are irresponsible children. You know the way
teenagers think they should be running the world?

You should re-enable your SR - this is the kind of problem it's
designed for, the kind that only *experts* recovered from in
previous versions of Windows. Mike Maltby has memorably likened
disabling System Restore to throwing away the lifeboat. Maybe
Olympic-standard swimmers may reasonably do so, but if they advise
everyone else to, they must be somewhere around moron level. Great
swimmers but stupid as hell! ;-)
Strange, last week I did disable it, just went to that screen to
enable it, it IS enabled!!!! I dunno. But there are no restore
points created, though. I looked in the Restore folder, each
subfolder, only the same cab files from several weeks ago that I
described earlier.
But, no, yours can't have been running anyway. Shame, as it's the
source of registry backups older than five days or so, though
whether it'd be a good idea restoring back more than a month in this
situation, who knows?
All the folders are dated 12/03
In Restore/Temp folder, the files are dated 2/16/06, although I've
used the computer right up to today.


Nothing large, I suppose. It's disabled in My
Computer\Properties\...etc...\Troubleshooting (the precise wording
of the path escapes me for the moment here in XP)? I can quite
imagine small temp files still being made. Perhaps you should
re-enable it and verify that it works. Is the system up-to-date, all
critical-and-security updates installed?

What CD do you have with this system?Do you have
C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\INSTALL\BASE2.CAB or
C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS\BASE2.CAB and about 121 other files?

No CD, but I do have 63 files in the INSTALL folder. I see setup.exe

Hopefully this muddle won't result in reinstall, then I would want to
install W98SE.

Advice, and thanks.

Mike