Clean Boot questions

Hello again

I have been trying to do a clean boot as per Gary's instructions.

I have gone up to Step 3, but when I go to delete the contents of the Temp
folder, which contains 2555 objects in my case, I get a warning that Windows
may not function properly if I continue with the delete.

Q: Do I ignore this an just proceed with the delete?

I have saved a copy of my Temp folder contents into a new folder in My
Documents.

Also, I attempted a defrag after a seemingly successful scandisk in Normal
mode. But I was informed by defrag that the hard drive had errors on it and
had to be repaired first. When I went into Safe mode and tried to run
scandisk and repair the errors, but scandisk kept re-starting, much like
defrag does. It did go back to where it had left off however. But at that
rate, it looks like it never would finish the scan

I am assuming that if I can get through a clean boot procedure, I can then
scandisk and defrag successfully.

Thanks in advance

Jay

Proceed with the delete. If you have problems after restarting, then you can
always go into MS DOS mode and put the copies back.

You are probably seeing the warning that happens whenever you delete an EXE of
other "system-looking" file. It's just making sure you are sure you want to
proceed.

If Scandisk is restarting due to disk activity, even in Safe Mode, you may have
other problems, but finish setting up the Clean Boot environment, see what
happens.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Jay Paine" wrote in message
...
Hello again

I have been trying to do a clean boot as per Gary's instructions.

I have gone up to Step 3, but when I go to delete the contents of the Temp
folder, which contains 2555 objects in my case, I get a warning that Windows
may not function properly if I continue with the delete.

Q: Do I ignore this an just proceed with the delete?

I have saved a copy of my Temp folder contents into a new folder in My
Documents.

Also, I attempted a defrag after a seemingly successful scandisk in Normal
mode. But I was informed by defrag that the hard drive had errors on it and
had to be repaired first. When I went into Safe mode and tried to run
scandisk and repair the errors, but scandisk kept re-starting, much like
defrag does. It did go back to where it had left off however. But at that
rate, it looks like it never would finish the scan

I am assuming that if I can get through a clean boot procedure, I can then
scandisk and defrag successfully.

Thanks in advance

Jay

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Proceed with the delete. If you have problems after restarting, then you can
always go into MS DOS mode and put the copies back.

You are probably seeing the warning that happens whenever you delete an EXE of
other "system-looking" file. It's just making sure you are sure you want to
proceed.

If Scandisk is restarting due to disk activity, even in Safe Mode, you may have
other problems, but finish setting up the Clean Boot environment, see what
happens.

I had the same problem (with the url) as a poster mentioned the other
day. Did you ever post another url?

Yes, I did. But here they are again. (I had left out the dotcom part of the
second address.)

"Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it."
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm

"Security!"
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"F.H." wrote in message
news:NooBd.12990$tG3.2728@trnddc02...
Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Proceed with the delete. If you have problems after restarting, then you can
always go into MS DOS mode and put the copies back.

You are probably seeing the warning that happens whenever you delete an EXE
of
other "system-looking" file. It's just making sure you are sure you want to
proceed.

If Scandisk is restarting due to disk activity, even in Safe Mode, you may
have
other problems, but finish setting up the Clean Boot environment, see what
happens.

I had the same problem (with the url) as a poster mentioned the other
day. Did you ever post another url?

Some items in the following list may actually be in play even in Safe
Mode.

http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q287914
Articles about Scandisk
http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q286263
Articles about Defrag

I must warn that Scandisk may not do a great job when there is a
great one to do...
http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/scandisk.htm
Therefore, perhaps UNcheck "Automatically fix errors" on it's front
screen. It will then ask whether you want each error fixed. If it sounds
truly horrible, say "No!", and post the log. The log will be
"C:\Scandisk.log". Do not let it constantly restart, either.

1. Turn off screen saver (R-Clk Desktop, Properties, Screen Saver--
None)
2. Turn off power management (Control Panel, Power Management-- Always
On,Never,Never,Never)
3. Disable any permanent internet cable connection, perhaps.
4. Suspend Task Scheduler
5. Turn off interfering programs. Use "StartupCop" or "EndItAll2" from
PCMag (below). Or "START, Run, MSConfig, Startup tab". Note what is
unchecked. Then, go to the General tab & disable the entire Startup
Group, by clicking "Selective.." & unchecking "Load Startup...". Reboot.
Don't forget to re-enable before the next boot.
6. Use "HDValet" from PCMag, or
(a) "Control Panel, Internet Options, Delete Files button, bolt Delete
all offline content, OK, OK"
(b) "START, Run, %TEMP%", & delete all files that will let you. This
will likely be "C:\Windows\Temp". This is best done after a fresh boot,
unless you have not seen the message "Reboot to complete this install".
7. Run Scandisk (Thorough, usually w/o write testing. Check all three
items under "Scandisk, Advanced button, 'Check files for' box". If you
want to be informed as it does a fix, UNcheck "Automatically fix errors"
on the front screen, or look inside "C:\Scandisk.log" afterwards.)
8. "START, Run, Defrag /p /details". Apparently, "/p" Defrags the
unmovables.

The purpose of steps 1-5 is only to prevent constant restarts of
Scandisk & Defrag, if you get them; but DEFINITELY turn off the Virus
Scanner. Scandisk should be done perhaps once a month, and certainly
after every serious crash. Do a Defrag after a sluggish boot or when
this says so:
http://www.pcmag.com/ 's CrackUp, by Gregory A. Wolking & Bob Flanders.
Also, take DiskAction, to determine what is constantly writing to the
HDD, which causes the restarts. Take BHOCop & StartupCop too.

"DiskAction" reports the last 12 processes that access any partition. It
discovered the MS Critical Update Notification Tool was accessing my
HDD every five minutes. It can be uninstalled in "Control Panel,
Add/Remove Programs". Then, occasionally, "START, Windows Update" on
your own.

"BHOCop" found a Browser Helper Object called Wavehelper Class, created
by "Wavetop", that was building a monstrosity of an error log called
"Logit.txt" in here. "START, Find, F/F, Logit.txt"-- see one?

Now, my hard drive is quieter than my mouse. (Of course, I now also have
384 MB RAM, up from an initial 64, eliminating Swap File activity.)


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Jay Paine" wrote in message
...
| Hello again
|
| I have been trying to do a clean boot as per Gary's instructions.
|
| I have gone up to Step 3, but when I go to delete the contents of the
Temp
| folder, which contains 2555 objects in my case, I get a warning that
Windows
| may not function properly if I continue with the delete.
|
| Q: Do I ignore this an just proceed with the delete?
|
| I have saved a copy of my Temp folder contents into a new folder in My
| Documents.
|
| Also, I attempted a defrag after a seemingly successful scandisk in
Normal
| mode. But I was informed by defrag that the hard drive had errors on
it and
| had to be repaired first. When I went into Safe mode and tried to run
| scandisk and repair the errors, but scandisk kept re-starting, much
like
| defrag does. It did go back to where it had left off however. But at
that
| rate, it looks like it never would finish the scan
|
| I am assuming that if I can get through a clean boot procedure, I can
then
| scandisk and defrag successfully.
|
| Thanks in advance
|
| Jay
|
|
|
|

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Yes, I did. But here they are again. (I had left out the dotcom part of the
second address.)

"Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it."
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm

"Security!"
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

Thanks much.

Frank

Note:

While reviewing the Security article just now, among some minor typos, I
discovered a more serious error--I wrote that the eTrust EZ Armor annual renewal
costs US$25. That's no longer true. Early last year, Computer Associates raised
that price to $30. (Both of those figures are rounded up by 5 cents.)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"F.H." wrote in message
news:T6qBd.11812$hc7.2562@trnddc06...
Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Yes, I did. But here they are again. (I had left out the dotcom part of
the
second address.)

"Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it."
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm

"Security!"
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

Thanks much.

Frank

Hello Gary and PCR

An update: I have now managed to perform a clean boot, a full scandisk and
also a full defrag. Thanks Gary, thanks PCR.

The completed scandisk reported that there were errors on the hard drive,
but since I had checked autofix, it said it had fixed all of them. This was
done
in normal mode.

However afterwards, when I went to defrag in Safe Mode, and I was informed
that the hard drive had *errors*, and defrag could not proceed without the
errors being fixed.

However, in spite of this, I was able to do a full problem-free defrag in
*normal* mode. No mention of errors, no restarts etc

I've looked at the support pages below and I can't find anything relating to
problems with scanning and defragging in Safe Mode.

Is there some other problem I am encountering scanning and defragging in
Safe Mode?

Thanks
Jay


PCR wrote in message ...
Some items in the following list may actually be in play even in Safe
Mode.

http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q287914
Articles about Scandisk
http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q286263
Articles about Defrag

I must warn that Scandisk may not do a great job when there is a
great one to do...
http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/scandisk.htm
Therefore, perhaps UNcheck "Automatically fix errors" on it's front
screen. It will then ask whether you want each error fixed. If it sounds
truly horrible, say "No!", and post the log. The log will be
"C:\Scandisk.log". Do not let it constantly restart, either.

1. Turn off screen saver (R-Clk Desktop, Properties, Screen Saver--
None)
2. Turn off power management (Control Panel, Power Management-- Always
On,Never,Never,Never)
3. Disable any permanent internet cable connection, perhaps.
4. Suspend Task Scheduler
5. Turn off interfering programs. Use "StartupCop" or "EndItAll2" from
PCMag (below). Or "START, Run, MSConfig, Startup tab". Note what is
unchecked. Then, go to the General tab & disable the entire Startup
Group, by clicking "Selective.." & unchecking "Load Startup...". Reboot.
Don't forget to re-enable before the next boot.
6. Use "HDValet" from PCMag, or
(a) "Control Panel, Internet Options, Delete Files button, bolt Delete
all offline content, OK, OK"
(b) "START, Run, %TEMP%", & delete all files that will let you. This
will likely be "C:\Windows\Temp". This is best done after a fresh boot,
unless you have not seen the message "Reboot to complete this install".
7. Run Scandisk (Thorough, usually w/o write testing. Check all three
items under "Scandisk, Advanced button, 'Check files for' box". If you
want to be informed as it does a fix, UNcheck "Automatically fix errors"
on the front screen, or look inside "C:\Scandisk.log" afterwards.)
8. "START, Run, Defrag /p /details". Apparently, "/p" Defrags the
unmovables.

The purpose of steps 1-5 is only to prevent constant restarts of
Scandisk & Defrag, if you get them; but DEFINITELY turn off the Virus
Scanner. Scandisk should be done perhaps once a month, and certainly
after every serious crash. Do a Defrag after a sluggish boot or when
this says so:
http://www.pcmag.com/ 's CrackUp, by Gregory A. Wolking & Bob Flanders.
Also, take DiskAction, to determine what is constantly writing to the
HDD, which causes the restarts. Take BHOCop & StartupCop too.

"DiskAction" reports the last 12 processes that access any partition. It
discovered the MS Critical Update Notification Tool was accessing my
HDD every five minutes. It can be uninstalled in "Control Panel,
Add/Remove Programs". Then, occasionally, "START, Windows Update" on
your own.

"BHOCop" found a Browser Helper Object called Wavehelper Class, created
by "Wavetop", that was building a monstrosity of an error log called
"Logit.txt" in here. "START, Find, F/F, Logit.txt"-- see one?

Now, my hard drive is quieter than my mouse. (Of course, I now also have
384 MB RAM, up from an initial 64, eliminating Swap File activity.)


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Jay Paine" wrote in message
...
| Hello again
|
| I have been trying to do a clean boot as per Gary's instructions.
|
| I have gone up to Step 3, but when I go to delete the contents of the
Temp
| folder, which contains 2555 objects in my case, I get a warning that
Windows
| may not function properly if I continue with the delete.
|
| Q: Do I ignore this an just proceed with the delete?
|
| I have saved a copy of my Temp folder contents into a new folder in My
| Documents.
|
| Also, I attempted a defrag after a seemingly successful scandisk in
Normal
| mode. But I was informed by defrag that the hard drive had errors on
it and
| had to be repaired first. When I went into Safe mode and tried to run
| scandisk and repair the errors, but scandisk kept re-starting, much
like
| defrag does. It did go back to where it had left off however. But at
that
| rate, it looks like it never would finish the scan
|
| I am assuming that if I can get through a clean boot procedure, I can
then
| scandisk and defrag successfully.
|
| Thanks in advance
|
| Jay
|
|
|
|

On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:09:54 -0800, "Gary S. Terhune"
wrote:


"Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it."
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm

Have you written one for XP too?

No. Doubt I ever will. The philosophy would be rather different in XP, and
anyway, I shy away from online XP-Support.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"sf" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:09:54 -0800, "Gary S. Terhune"
wrote:


"Clean Boot--What it is and why you need it."
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm

Have you written one for XP too?