Notepad replacements? SMALL ones for big files?

Lostgallifreyan wrote in
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thanatoid wrote in
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Cool. I use a Polish spreadsheet, by Jarek Piechura.

Yup, gscalc. Although I have used a spreadsheet /maybe/ 4 times
in my life, I found gscalc when I was arguing with someone about
MSOffice being a buggy invasive bloated pig.

a lightweight but fights like a heavyweight, and wins
against them too. Maybe it's got bigger now, but at v5 or 6
it was awesome. Not free though. Later ones likely won't
run on W98 either..

I just tried the latest, and it does not, but I have 98S *Lite*,
and it mentions an error with SHELL32 which I often see. It
/may/ run on a regular 98se. In any case, the people in this
group represent the (relatively) very few who still use 9x, and
if you /need/ a spreadsheet, it's a lot cheaper than Excel (I do
not even know if Excel is available separately) and undoubtedly
does not make 2,500 changes to your registry. (In fact, it makes
none, according to the help file.)

It's
got one hazardous quirk though, if you try to select all
text in a large binary it shows no selection at the far
end, and edits there look wrong.

Define a "large binary" and I'll try it. I would be VERY
surprised if it had anything to do with Edxor, More likely
one its Windows dependencies has a bug no one ever
noticed/mentioned/chose to keep under the carpet or maybe
a bad memory module in your system. This program is just
TOO perfect to have a bug!

Wnat to bet? I agree they'll be minimal and not likely
to wreak havok though, that tool grew well with use as it
was made, it wasn't built to fill a white virtual box.

There is a an inherent limit on file size though, purely
because it uses RAM to fold it all. This isn't just a size
issue, it has to maneouvre data around in that space too,
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small and powerful. As it is, it handles files big enough
for most needs. If I really want to cut and splice chunks
adding to 350 MB plus, there's HxD which does it much more
safely because of how it uses colour and tabulation etc..

Hmm. Well, you obviously tested it. I have yet to run into a
text file larger then 5MB. And I would split even a 5MB file
into 5 or 10 parts before working with it. I do it all the time,
I find it prudent for a variety of reasons.

Bear in mind that what I saw is no error of mine, or my
system. It's not even a bug, as such. It's just that
there are lots of ways to do something as apparently simple
as moving data around.

Again... you are talking to a programming /idiot/.

An example of how this affects code (ignore this if it's a
ramble too far, but if yo ufollow it though you'll get a
sense of how really neat tricks come out of apparent
bottlenecks in the maths of code itself). Take sorting..

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See my last sentence...

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[Incomprehensible tech stuff snipped ;-) ]

Which means maybe I just went overboard back there, but
never mind, I had some fun doing it.

Well, as long as you enjoy it... Maybe someone else in the group
can understand some/all of what you are saying, but not me!

Agreed on Google.
People on Usenet often say we just need to search with
proper terms and methods, but that's NOT enough.

I have played with "advanced search" in a variety of different
contexts/on different sites, and it rarely works. It is largely
luck, but I have Altavista as my 2nd search engine and while I
shamefully admit I have /maybe/ used it 5 times in the last
year, it does take you to VERY different places.

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The main reason for noise
on Google is simple: They don't allow us to specify a pure
signal to catch. That's simple tech reality, but I don't
know what their motives are. I was never good at making tin
hats so I leave that one alone..

You give them too much credit. It's not really noise (except for
what is now clearly "paid links" but was /not/ always clear),
but it DOES go for what MOST people want. And since intelligence
(etc) are neither fairly nor universally parceled out, you often
end up with what is crap even though it is used and loved by
millions of people who don't even know there is an alternative
to Word. Hell, most people I know won't use Notepad to write
something 20 sentences long just because they like using the
buggy behemoth known as Word! (And words on paper and screens
all over the world prove that the most often given reason for
using Word, "it has a spell checker", is irrelevant. Very few
people use spell-checkers. I keep on telling people how Word
sometimes does not delete parts of the document you /think/ you
deleted (and you can't see in Word's native format), but no one
listens. They /pretend/ to listen, and they keep on using it
anyway.

spell checking. I use this:

http://www.quinion.com/mqa/spell.htm

and I could NOT live without it. NO other spellchecker I have
tried comes close. It's a Win 3.1 program, BUT - in spite of the
author's claim - it DOES work under XP, let alone 9x!

Anyway - Google - it just starts with the most popular link -
when you click on a Google search result link, you see it goes
to Google first to tell them you can be added to the amount of
people who went there.

Sometimes it's just baffling. Just for fun, I just searched for
"word processor" and then for "word".

MS Word was not even on the first page of "WP", and was THIRD on
the "W" page. Now THAT was strange. But maybe no one ever
searches for it, since it comes trial-preinstalled on almost
every computer made, and people are sheep.

I sometimes copy the link and strip the Google stuff from the
beginning and end and paste it manually. Not that I have the
least delusion of it making any difference, but because I'm
compulsive, anal-retentive and contrary.

BTW, if you take into account the fact TextPad is an almost 3MB
DL, while Edxor is a 35KB DL... ;-]

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message ,
Lostgallifreyan writes:
Hello. Me again..

Does anyone know of a tiny NotePad-alike that UNlike MetaPad does nto
force
me to either accept a tiny program, and tiny files opened in it, or a
bigger
version that opens large files but demands several hundreds of kilobytes
of
RICHED20.DLL?

I imagine it's far too big to match your "tiny" criterion, at 423 KB,
but I find RogSoft's Notepad+ a good Notepad replacement (I think
http://www.texteditors.org/cgi-bin/w...ft_NotepadPlus covers
it: the nominal original page, http://www.mypeecee.org/rogsoft/, seems
not to work now).

I don't need to open truly massive stuff, but it must be better than
64KB, I
will be ok with anything up to 4MB capacity perhaps. (32MB would be nice,
[]
I'm not aware of any filesize limit in Notepad+.

Haven't tried that one, but find Metapad to be pretty lightweight. Now if
I would only remember to use it (and set it as default for txt files)
instead of Notepad!

I also use an old version of Microsoft Works (ver 4.x - the last version
before it went downhill), which is pretty lightweight in comparison to Word.
The formatting, etc, is obviously superior to Metapad or Notepad for those
special occasions where it's needed.

In message , Bill in Co
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message ,
Lostgallifreyan writes:
Hello. Me again..

Does anyone know of a tiny NotePad-alike that UNlike MetaPad does nto
force
me to either accept a tiny program, and tiny files opened in it, or a
bigger
version that opens large files but demands several hundreds of kilobytes
of
RICHED20.DLL?

I imagine it's far too big to match your "tiny" criterion, at 423 KB,
but I find RogSoft's Notepad+ a good Notepad replacement (I think
http://www.texteditors.org/cgi-bin/w...ft_NotepadPlus covers
it: the nominal original page, http://www.mypeecee.org/rogsoft/, seems
not to work now).

I don't need to open truly massive stuff, but it must be better than
64KB, I
will be ok with anything up to 4MB capacity perhaps. (32MB would be nice,
[]
I'm not aware of any filesize limit in Notepad+.

Haven't tried that one, but find Metapad to be pretty lightweight. Now if
I would only remember to use it (and set it as default for txt files)
instead of Notepad!

Notepad+ comes with instructions on how to make the system accept it as
a substitute for Notepad; there are minor wrinkles to doing so, of
course, this being Microsoft.

I also use an old version of Microsoft Works (ver 4.x - the last version
before it went downhill), which is pretty lightweight in comparison to Word.
The formatting, etc, is obviously superior to Metapad or Notepad for those
special occasions where it's needed.


Ah, when Lg said he was looking for a Notepad-alike, I thought he
specifically meant a text editor, rather than a word processor (with
formatting etc.). Yes, I used to think there must have been competing
teams inside Microsoft - one making the Works suite, which was an office
suite that was both cheap and undemanding of system resources, and one
making Office. I remember one version of Works then came with Word as
its word processor, then Works more or less disappeared altogether (is
that right? I haven't seen mention of the Works suite for a while); I
assumed that the Works team/product was killed off because too many
people were buying Works rather than Office (this was before Open Office
came along), so eating into Office's profits. And of course there is
WordPad (do you still get something like WordPad, as part of Vista and
7?), and Write.
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J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Bother," said Pooh, as Windows crashed for the umpteenth time.

thanatoid wrote in
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BTW, if you take into account the fact TextPad is an almost 3MB
DL, while Edxor is a 35KB DL... ;-]



This is true. But, Lua (UPX'd, compressed executables and DLL's) compiles
to a 5 KB exe and a 55KB dll, and that can handle huge files at speed too,
and it's an interpreted language, not compiled, its instructions are scripts
(though they can be to some extent compiled to save space and increase speed
a bit). Fast methods might need workrounds like my indexing to get fast
stable searches using standard inbuilt sort in TextPad, Lue, OPL or whatever,
but nothing that could account for the size of TextPad. My Sort script is
3KB, compiled it would be a lot smaller, add that to Lua's own, and you get
the idea...

Google IS weird if it takes popularity as a sole measure of relevance. It
certainly looks like that's what they do though. An exact string search is
the ultimate way to cut to the chase though, they should do it. That we it's
up to us, it's the best way we can over-ride their ideas about what we want
to see. They can always choose not to index it at all, but at least that way,
if they do, we can be guaranteed it will appear in the results. Another thing
is certain strings of characters. Code Search will handle those, but we
aren't always looking for code.

Re text editors, I try to avoid complex word processors. Ideally, if I could
find ONE editor to do all I need, I would. When I need mixed fonts I'd rather
do it in HTML than mess with what amounts to more complex and proprietary
codings in most word processor documents. And HTML writes really nicely in
TextPad. But now I have this EDXOR and it is going to shift my way of
working, it provides many of the things I need TextPad for! (PLus several
that TextPad didn't, too...) The two vital things lacking are block
select/move/copy/paste, and regular expression search/replace. And perhaps
keyed column sort too, given that I know the source code to do that can't add
more than a few hundred bytes or so to it (I'd hand over my Lua code to the
author if it helped with that in any way). I don't know how much bigger EDXOR
would have to be to have those added, but I'd recommend them to the author if
I knew he was keen to hear the suggestions. Some stuff in TextPad
(sacrilege alert!) is just bloat, but I suspect that adding those two things
would increase the power immensely with small overheads. Tabulating hex
displays of binary data is also worth adding, but I don't know how
efficiently that might be done.

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in
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Ah, when Lg said he was looking for a Notepad-alike, I thought he
specifically meant a text editor, rather than a word processor (with
formatting etc.). Yes, I used to think there must have been competing
teams inside Microsoft - one making the Works suite, which was an office
suite that was both cheap and undemanding of system resources, and one
making Office. I remember one version of Works then came with Word as
its word processor, then Works more or less disappeared altogether (is
that right? I haven't seen mention of the Works suite for a while); I
assumed that the Works team/product was killed off because too many
people were buying Works rather than Office (this was before Open Office
came along), so eating into Office's profits. And of course there is
WordPad (do you still get something like WordPad, as part of Vista and
7?), and Write.


I tried NotePad+ but it didn't work for me. EDXOR wins by many lengths, but
Bill's idea of an older word processor might be a wise follow-up to add to a
list of stuff for a core W98 install. Especially if it included some way to
decode recent Word formats without losing too much of their formatting. I
don't know enough about how plugins on those work to know, but I suspect this
might not work because of the images and other stuff that can be put in newer
files.

Incidentally, that's why I like HTML (compiled or not, and perhaps I need to
look into converting CHM to MHT so Opera can show them) and PDF, they seem to
handle this well, with wide support. I wouldn't touch PostScript and other
exotica with a 10 mile pole.

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Bill in Co
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message ,
Lostgallifreyan writes:
Hello. Me again..

Does anyone know of a tiny NotePad-alike that UNlike MetaPad does nto
force
me to either accept a tiny program, and tiny files opened in it, or a
bigger
version that opens large files but demands several hundreds of
kilobytes
of
RICHED20.DLL?

I imagine it's far too big to match your "tiny" criterion, at 423 KB,
but I find RogSoft's Notepad+ a good Notepad replacement (I think
http://www.texteditors.org/cgi-bin/w...ft_NotepadPlus covers
it: the nominal original page, http://www.mypeecee.org/rogsoft/, seems
not to work now).

I don't need to open truly massive stuff, but it must be better than
64KB, I
will be ok with anything up to 4MB capacity perhaps. (32MB would be
nice,
[]
I'm not aware of any filesize limit in Notepad+.

Haven't tried that one, but find Metapad to be pretty lightweight. Now
if
I would only remember to use it (and set it as default for txt files)
instead of Notepad!

Notepad+ comes with instructions on how to make the system accept it as
a substitute for Notepad; there are minor wrinkles to doing so, of
course, this being Microsoft.

I also use an old version of Microsoft Works (ver 4.x - the last version
before it went downhill), which is pretty lightweight in comparison to
Word.
The formatting, etc, is obviously superior to Metapad or Notepad for
those
special occasions where it's needed.


Ah, when Lg said he was looking for a Notepad-alike, I thought he
specifically meant a text editor, rather than a word processor (with
formatting etc.). Yes, I used to think there must have been competing
teams inside Microsoft - one making the Works suite, which was an office
suite that was both cheap and undemanding of system resources, and one
making Office. I remember one version of Works then came with Word as
its word processor, then Works more or less disappeared altogether (is
that right? I haven't seen mention of the Works suite for a while); I
assumed that the Works team/product was killed off because too many
people were buying Works rather than Office (this was before Open Office
came along), so eating into Office's profits. And of course there is
WordPad (do you still get something like WordPad, as part of Vista and
7?), and Write.

I don't know what happened to Works Suite. I seem to recall they tried to
throw that in with some new computer package sales a few years ago (so that
the computer came with at least some minimal office app).

But I *do* know I liked MS Works MUCH better in the earlier versions (4.x or
3), BEFORE they screwed it up when they went to the newer versions (in the
so called Suite). In fact, there were lots of people complaining about how
they messed it up after version 4.x. (these people, like me, liking the more
basic version, and not the bloated, all bells-and-whistles, app trying to
turn into a lower grade version of MS Word). I'll often use Works instead
of Word for most of my own personal stuff. Word is just overkill for most
of my needs.

On "Mon, 25 Apr 2011 15:40:38 -0500", "Lostgallifreyan" said:
Hello. Me again..

Does anyone know of a tiny NotePad-alike that UNlike MetaPad does nto force
me to either accept a tiny program, and tiny files opened in it, or a bigger
version that opens large files but demands several hundreds of kilobytes of
RICHED20.DLL?

Try the GUN (GrownUpNotepad).
Size of 6kB, written in assembler, can open large files, is free.
OS: w9x and higher.
http://www.movsd.com/thegun.htm

Regards Wes.


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On "Mon, 25 Apr 2011 15:40:38 -0500", "Lostgallifreyan" said:
Hello. Me again..

Does anyone know of a tiny NotePad-alike that UNlike MetaPad does nto
force me to either accept a tiny program, and tiny files opened in it,
or a bigger version that opens large files but demands several hundreds
of kilobytes of RICHED20.DLL?

Try the GUN (GrownUpNotepad).
Size of 6kB, written in assembler, can open large files, is free.
OS: w9x and higher.
http://www.movsd.com/thegun.htm

Regards Wes.


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I like it. I've settled on EDXOR but this is also a keeper for its speed,
smallness and ease of use. There's stuff I'd like to see added, font change
and tabulation for editing binary (something EDXOR could also use). The GUN
depends ONLY on Kernel32.dll! Nice.

Turns out EDXOR is Polish (Thanatoid corrected me, I thought it was
Australian), but the GUN is Australian. What it with Australians and a
taste for tiny notepads? Whatever it is, I'm glad it's happening.