Win98 Dial Up Tweaks?

Hi MEB,

Thanks for all the information. RCN does seem to be the issue. In the
past 24 hours, its come back again, but is still slower than my new ISP.

Maybe the DNS issue was part of it, maybe not. RCN will never tell.
But I checked RCN and my new ISP on doxpara.com and both passed.

Thanks again for your help.

I'm using an ancient firewall, by the way, called Conseal, which seems
to work fine. Not many work on win98 anymore.

Ellen

MEB wrote:
In ,
Ellen contemplated and posted:

| (First, I apologize if an earlier version of this message appears, my
| newsreader is acting a bit differently than it did when I was
| connecting through RCN.)
|
| Very interesting, MEB. Thank you!

YW. You might need to "refresh" your news and mail accounts, and a few other
local settings if you continue to experiance problems. Try [if you haven't]
cleaning out all the temporary caches and files as well.

|
| I did search for spyware and viruses and my system is clean. I have a
| software firewall with correct and working rules. A TrojanHunter scan
| said I had no suspicious open ports. TCPView shows this activity as I
| type this and am connected via METConnect and I think this activity is
| all okay?

Must be, this one made it through fine.

| listening to port 0 on my computer: 135, 1027, 1239, 1240, 1241, 1592,
| 1025, 1026m 1591. A connection from local ports 1026 established to
| remote localhost:0127, and local address 0127 established to localhost
| 1026. Same for 1591 and 1592 and localhost 1592 and 1591. And also
| connections to metconnect, the ISP I'm using.

Okay, looks like some of the normals. What firewall?

|
| I have no router. I'm not running any RCN software (I stopped using
| their acceleration program a while ago) unless they installed
| something
| I don't know about, but my firewall would have stopped that.

Good that you're running a firewall. Yep, it would have popped-up a notice
if something was amiss likely.

|
| I use a memory manager (MemTurbo) so don't believe low memory is
| contributing to the problem.

Oh, memload just shows ALL applications that are using any memory and the
amount. Its extremely small, and provides some good info, though don't leave
it running as it does still have a memory leak that was never fixed [it
frees up after shutting down memload]

|
| Dr. Watson advises that I have 61% of my resources free, all tasks
| running are from trusted programs, a few kernel drivers are not ID'd,
| but when I looked a few up they were MS software, and since my
| METCONNECT connection is fine, I don't think these are a problem.
|
| NetLab told me that rcn.com's IP address is: IP 207.172.16.170. When
| I pinged that address, using netlab, I got no response. When I did a
| Trace, I got no response.

Sounds like the ping returns have been disallowed [likely because that's
the public web address]. Presuming that you have the firewall set to allow
outgoing and incoming pings... the test would have been to another ping-able
address to test the connection speed and hops... but that's now apparently
redundant as you've changed services.

Using NetInfo HTML it shows the page coding, but I hesitate to scan for
Services or other just to find the access points.

Registry Whois
Domain Search:

OrgName: RCN Corporation
OrgID: RCN
Address: 196 Van Buren St.
City: Herndon
StateProv: VA
PostalCode: 20170
Country: US

NetRange: 207.172.0.0 - 207.172.255.255
CIDR: 207.172.0.0/16
NetName: RCN-BLK-2
NetHandle: NET-207-172-0-0-1
Parent: NET-207-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: AUTH1.DNS.RCN.NET
NameServer: AUTH2.DNS.RCN.NET
NameServer: AUTH3.DNS.RCN.NET
NameServer: AUTH4.DNS.RCN.NET
Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
RegDate:
Updated: 2002-11-05


|
| Thanks for telling me about the diagnostic programs. Would System
| Monitor give me info that Dr. Watson doesn't? Or any of the others?

System Monitor gives real time analysis. It just happens to be one of the
tools included with 98, so it makes it easier to recommend as a start test
tool.

|
| After reading the dslreports posts, and having a really good
| connection with a non-RCN ISP, I'm inclined to conclude I don't even
| need to tweak my settings. I welcome your thoughts. And thank you
| again for your help.
|
| Ellen

I would say you're likely correct. RCN seems to be having difficulties
including having the DNS poisoning issue recently exposed [finally] in a
recent CERT bulletin. If your connection speed seems acceptable with another
ISP, I would say RCN was your issue... enjoy the new service.


|
|
| MEB wrote:
| Seems there is actually a problem with the service...
|
| http://www.dslreports.com/forum/rcn - Welcome to the RCN Forum
|
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r208...drops-entirely
|
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r207...ing-Techniques
|
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r208...ty-in-Macungie
|
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r208...C-Over-a-month
|
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r208...ver-Spring-209
|
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r208...ns-packet-loss
|
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r207...Modems-Offline
|
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r207...-DNS-acting-up
|
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r205...-Lehigh-Valley
|
| Might be a good idea to check for SpyWare, Virus, and other. These
| can REALLY slow down a connection. BHOs [like search bars, and other
| goodies] can also severely effect connection speed.
| You should be running a firewall [regardless of the router/modem
| router] to ensure that you are *only* connected to the service, and
| not the "lurkers" and other hackers/crackers that exist on ALL
| online services. Check the router setup and make sure your not
| receiving or sending router broadcasts across the Internet.
|
| You might also try uninstalling a re-installing whatever software
| RCN may have installed.
|
| It may be possible to diagnose some of the issue [after the above
| tests]. You could test and post your connection ping results and
| network monitoring results here to see if they are within the
| service's offerings. IF you have your installation CD you can
| install a few tools to check your system
| System Resource Meter - basic system resources
| System Monitor - Within this program you can configure network
| monitoring, memory monitoring, and other testing to provide you and
| us with some information to work with.
|
| You can also check what is running by using MSInfo32, and memload
| http://www.filechamp.com/Dl-3022-Memload-download.aspx to give you
| some other/alternate information.

Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:42:42 -0400, Ellen
put finger to keyboard and composed:

My win98(se) machine has connected to RCN's dial up service for years
with no problem. During this
time, my configuration has not changed.

In the past few months, my connection has gotten slower and slower and
finally got so slow that most
web and email connections are timed out or the servers can't be found.

You can get a feel for whether your problem is network or hardware
related by sending an email with a large attachment to yourself.

As MEB says, System Monitor will report the actual bytes sent and
received per second (Edit -- Add Item - Dial-Up Adapter - ...). A
good 56kbps connection will average around 5 KB/s and 2.7 KB/s for
downloads and uploads, respectively.

If sending to yourself is OK, then your client/server modems are OK,
and the problem is with your provider's connection to external sites.
From what you've written, though, it does seem that the problem is
between you and your provider. I doubt that there is any software that
is getting in the way, instead I suspect that your ISP's service is
congested (too many users), or your modem is not playing well with
theirs.

To check for hardware problems, try the following diagnostic tests. If
you see a lot of retrains, then that would explain the timeouts and
delays. Retrains are events that typically last for 20 seconds and
cause all data transfers to pause.

Information your modem can tell you about your connection:
http://modemsite.com/56k/diag.asp

How to make HyperTerminal talk to your modem:
http://modemsite.com/56k/x2-hyperterm.asp

AT Commands and examples of test calls & diagnostics
http://modemsite.com/56k/usehyper.asp

If you can't get diagnostic data after net connections
http://modemsite.com/56k/x2-inf.asp

- Franc Zabkar

Thanks so much for this information, Franc. I'll run some tests in the
next few days, and when I experience problems in the future.

I appreciate your help.

Ellen

Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:42:42 -0400, Ellen
put finger to keyboard and composed:

My win98(se) machine has connected to RCN's dial up service for years
with no problem. During this
time, my configuration has not changed.

In the past few months, my connection has gotten slower and slower and
finally got so slow that most
web and email connections are timed out or the servers can't be found.

You can get a feel for whether your problem is network or hardware
related by sending an email with a large attachment to yourself.

As MEB says, System Monitor will report the actual bytes sent and
received per second (Edit -- Add Item - Dial-Up Adapter - ...). A
good 56kbps connection will average around 5 KB/s and 2.7 KB/s for
downloads and uploads, respectively.

If sending to yourself is OK, then your client/server modems are OK,
and the problem is with your provider's connection to external sites.
From what you've written, though, it does seem that the problem is
between you and your provider. I doubt that there is any software that
is getting in the way, instead I suspect that your ISP's service is
congested (too many users), or your modem is not playing well with
theirs.

To check for hardware problems, try the following diagnostic tests. If
you see a lot of retrains, then that would explain the timeouts and
delays. Retrains are events that typically last for 20 seconds and
cause all data transfers to pause.

Information your modem can tell you about your connection:
http://modemsite.com/56k/diag.asp

How to make HyperTerminal talk to your modem:
http://modemsite.com/56k/x2-hyperterm.asp

AT Commands and examples of test calls & diagnostics
http://modemsite.com/56k/usehyper.asp

If you can't get diagnostic data after net connections
http://modemsite.com/56k/x2-inf.asp

- Franc Zabkar

Thanks so much for this information, Franc. I'll run some tests in the
next few days, and when I experience problems in the future.

I appreciate your help.

Ellen

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:14:48 +1000, Franc Zabkar
put finger to keyboard and composed:

A good 56kbps connection will average around 5 KB/s and 2.7 KB/s for
downloads and uploads, respectively.

Sorry, a good upload speed would be around 3.7 KB/s (33600 / 9), not
2.7.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:14:48 +1000, Franc Zabkar
put finger to keyboard and composed:

A good 56kbps connection will average around 5 KB/s and 2.7 KB/s for
downloads and uploads, respectively.

Sorry, a good upload speed would be around 3.7 KB/s (33600 / 9), not
2.7.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Conseal was a good rules based firewall, good enough for McAfee to obtain
it. Came out there as McAfee Personal Firewall.
The creator of the original, made another one called 8Signs Firewall
http://www.consealfirewall.com/firewall/conseal.cfm .
Here's the new style firewall, which works for 98 thru XP:
http://www.consealfirewall.com/firew...comparison.cfm
http://www.consealfirewall.com/firewall/features.cfm
I haven't tested the new firewall [but I may in the future], but I do
remember the old one you mention..

That issue with RCN is not unusual, many have to change ISPs several times
to find one which actually is stable enough, and supplies good service. I
went through several myself over the course of years, and cost of service
isn't always a good indication of quality..

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________



"Ellen" wrote in message
...
| Hi MEB,
|
| Thanks for all the information. RCN does seem to be the issue. In the
| past 24 hours, its come back again, but is still slower than my new ISP.
|
| Maybe the DNS issue was part of it, maybe not. RCN will never tell.
| But I checked RCN and my new ISP on doxpara.com and both passed.
|
| Thanks again for your help.
|
| I'm using an ancient firewall, by the way, called Conseal, which seems
| to work fine. Not many work on win98 anymore.
|
| Ellen
|
| MEB wrote:
| In ,
| Ellen contemplated and posted:
|
| | (First, I apologize if an earlier version of this message appears, my
| | newsreader is acting a bit differently than it did when I was
| | connecting through RCN.)
| |
| | Very interesting, MEB. Thank you!
|
| YW. You might need to "refresh" your news and mail accounts, and a few
other
| local settings if you continue to experiance problems. Try [if you
haven't]
| cleaning out all the temporary caches and files as well.
|
| |
| | I did search for spyware and viruses and my system is clean. I have a
| | software firewall with correct and working rules. A TrojanHunter scan
| | said I had no suspicious open ports. TCPView shows this activity as I
| | type this and am connected via METConnect and I think this activity is
| | all okay?
|
| Must be, this one made it through fine.
|
| | listening to port 0 on my computer: 135, 1027, 1239, 1240, 1241, 1592,
| | 1025, 1026m 1591. A connection from local ports 1026 established to
| | remote localhost:0127, and local address 0127 established to localhost
| | 1026. Same for 1591 and 1592 and localhost 1592 and 1591. And also
| | connections to metconnect, the ISP I'm using.
|
| Okay, looks like some of the normals. What firewall?
|
| |
| | I have no router. I'm not running any RCN software (I stopped using
| | their acceleration program a while ago) unless they installed
| | something
| | I don't know about, but my firewall would have stopped that.
|
| Good that you're running a firewall. Yep, it would have popped-up a
notice
| if something was amiss likely.
|
| |
| | I use a memory manager (MemTurbo) so don't believe low memory is
| | contributing to the problem.
|
| Oh, memload just shows ALL applications that are using any memory and
the
| amount. Its extremely small, and provides some good info, though don't
leave
| it running as it does still have a memory leak that was never fixed [it
| frees up after shutting down memload]
|
| |
| | Dr. Watson advises that I have 61% of my resources free, all tasks
| | running are from trusted programs, a few kernel drivers are not ID'd,
| | but when I looked a few up they were MS software, and since my
| | METCONNECT connection is fine, I don't think these are a problem.
| |
| | NetLab told me that rcn.com's IP address is: IP 207.172.16.170. When
| | I pinged that address, using netlab, I got no response. When I did a
| | Trace, I got no response.
|
| Sounds like the ping returns have been disallowed [likely because
that's
| the public web address]. Presuming that you have the firewall set to
allow
| outgoing and incoming pings... the test would have been to another
ping-able
| address to test the connection speed and hops... but that's now
apparently
| redundant as you've changed services.
|
| Using NetInfo HTML it shows the page coding, but I hesitate to scan for
| Services or other just to find the access points.
|
| Registry Whois
| Domain Search:
|
| OrgName: RCN Corporation
| OrgID: RCN
| Address: 196 Van Buren St.
| City: Herndon
| StateProv: VA
| PostalCode: 20170
| Country: US
|
| NetRange: 207.172.0.0 - 207.172.255.255
| CIDR: 207.172.0.0/16
| NetName: RCN-BLK-2
| NetHandle: NET-207-172-0-0-1
| Parent: NET-207-0-0-0-0
| NetType: Direct Allocation
| NameServer: AUTH1.DNS.RCN.NET
| NameServer: AUTH2.DNS.RCN.NET
| NameServer: AUTH3.DNS.RCN.NET
| NameServer: AUTH4.DNS.RCN.NET
| Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
| RegDate:
| Updated: 2002-11-05
|
|
| |
| | Thanks for telling me about the diagnostic programs. Would System
| | Monitor give me info that Dr. Watson doesn't? Or any of the others?
|
| System Monitor gives real time analysis. It just happens to be one of
the
| tools included with 98, so it makes it easier to recommend as a start
test
| tool.
|
| |
| | After reading the dslreports posts, and having a really good
| | connection with a non-RCN ISP, I'm inclined to conclude I don't even
| | need to tweak my settings. I welcome your thoughts. And thank you
| | again for your help.
| |
| | Ellen
|
| I would say you're likely correct. RCN seems to be having difficulties
| including having the DNS poisoning issue recently exposed [finally] in a
| recent CERT bulletin. If your connection speed seems acceptable with
another
| ISP, I would say RCN was your issue... enjoy the new service.
|
|
| |
| |
| | MEB wrote:
| | Seems there is actually a problem with the service...
| |
| | http://www.dslreports.com/forum/rcn - Welcome to the RCN Forum
| |
|
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r208...drops-entirely
| |
|
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r207...ing-Techniques
| |
|
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r208...ty-in-Macungie
| |
|
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r208...C-Over-a-month
| |
|
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r208...ver-Spring-209
| |
|
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r208...ns-packet-loss
| |
|
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r207...Modems-Offline
| |
|
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r207...-DNS-acting-up
| |
|
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r205...-Lehigh-Valley
| |
| | Might be a good idea to check for SpyWare, Virus, and other. These
| | can REALLY slow down a connection. BHOs [like search bars, and other
| | goodies] can also severely effect connection speed.
| | You should be running a firewall [regardless of the router/modem
| | router] to ensure that you are *only* connected to the service, and
| | not the "lurkers" and other hackers/crackers that exist on ALL
| | online services. Check the router setup and make sure your not
| | receiving or sending router broadcasts across the Internet.
| |
| | You might also try uninstalling a re-installing whatever software
| | RCN may have installed.
| |
| | It may be possible to diagnose some of the issue [after the above
| | tests]. You could test and post your connection ping results and
| | network monitoring results here to see if they are within the
| | service's offerings. IF you have your installation CD you can
| | install a few tools to check your system
| | System Resource Meter - basic system resources
| | System Monitor - Within this program you can configure network
| | monitoring, memory monitoring, and other testing to provide you and
| | us with some information to work with.
| |
| | You can also check what is running by using MSInfo32, and memload
| | http://www.filechamp.com/Dl-3022-Memload-download.aspx to give you
| | some other/alternate information.
|
|

Conseal was a good rules based firewall, good enough for McAfee to obtain
it. Came out there as McAfee Personal Firewall.
The creator of the original, made another one called 8Signs Firewall
http://www.consealfirewall.com/firewall/conseal.cfm .
Here's the new style firewall, which works for 98 thru XP:
http://www.consealfirewall.com/firew...comparison.cfm
http://www.consealfirewall.com/firewall/features.cfm
I haven't tested the new firewall [but I may in the future], but I do
remember the old one you mention..

That issue with RCN is not unusual, many have to change ISPs several times
to find one which actually is stable enough, and supplies good service. I
went through several myself over the course of years, and cost of service
isn't always a good indication of quality..

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________



"Ellen" wrote in message
...
| Hi MEB,
|
| Thanks for all the information. RCN does seem to be the issue. In the
| past 24 hours, its come back again, but is still slower than my new ISP.
|
| Maybe the DNS issue was part of it, maybe not. RCN will never tell.
| But I checked RCN and my new ISP on doxpara.com and both passed.
|
| Thanks again for your help.
|
| I'm using an ancient firewall, by the way, called Conseal, which seems
| to work fine. Not many work on win98 anymore.
|
| Ellen
|
| MEB wrote:
| In ,
| Ellen contemplated and posted:
|
| | (First, I apologize if an earlier version of this message appears, my
| | newsreader is acting a bit differently than it did when I was
| | connecting through RCN.)
| |
| | Very interesting, MEB. Thank you!
|
| YW. You might need to "refresh" your news and mail accounts, and a few
other
| local settings if you continue to experiance problems. Try [if you
haven't]
| cleaning out all the temporary caches and files as well.
|
| |
| | I did search for spyware and viruses and my system is clean. I have a
| | software firewall with correct and working rules. A TrojanHunter scan
| | said I had no suspicious open ports. TCPView shows this activity as I
| | type this and am connected via METConnect and I think this activity is
| | all okay?
|
| Must be, this one made it through fine.
|
| | listening to port 0 on my computer: 135, 1027, 1239, 1240, 1241, 1592,
| | 1025, 1026m 1591. A connection from local ports 1026 established to
| | remote localhost:0127, and local address 0127 established to localhost
| | 1026. Same for 1591 and 1592 and localhost 1592 and 1591. And also
| | connections to metconnect, the ISP I'm using.
|
| Okay, looks like some of the normals. What firewall?
|
| |
| | I have no router. I'm not running any RCN software (I stopped using
| | their acceleration program a while ago) unless they installed
| | something
| | I don't know about, but my firewall would have stopped that.
|
| Good that you're running a firewall. Yep, it would have popped-up a
notice
| if something was amiss likely.
|
| |
| | I use a memory manager (MemTurbo) so don't believe low memory is
| | contributing to the problem.
|
| Oh, memload just shows ALL applications that are using any memory and
the
| amount. Its extremely small, and provides some good info, though don't
leave
| it running as it does still have a memory leak that was never fixed [it
| frees up after shutting down memload]
|
| |
| | Dr. Watson advises that I have 61% of my resources free, all tasks
| | running are from trusted programs, a few kernel drivers are not ID'd,
| | but when I looked a few up they were MS software, and since my
| | METCONNECT connection is fine, I don't think these are a problem.
| |
| | NetLab told me that rcn.com's IP address is: IP 207.172.16.170. When
| | I pinged that address, using netlab, I got no response. When I did a
| | Trace, I got no response.
|
| Sounds like the ping returns have been disallowed [likely because
that's
| the public web address]. Presuming that you have the firewall set to
allow
| outgoing and incoming pings... the test would have been to another
ping-able
| address to test the connection speed and hops... but that's now
apparently
| redundant as you've changed services.
|
| Using NetInfo HTML it shows the page coding, but I hesitate to scan for
| Services or other just to find the access points.
|
| Registry Whois
| Domain Search:
|
| OrgName: RCN Corporation
| OrgID: RCN
| Address: 196 Van Buren St.
| City: Herndon
| StateProv: VA
| PostalCode: 20170
| Country: US
|
| NetRange: 207.172.0.0 - 207.172.255.255
| CIDR: 207.172.0.0/16
| NetName: RCN-BLK-2
| NetHandle: NET-207-172-0-0-1
| Parent: NET-207-0-0-0-0
| NetType: Direct Allocation
| NameServer: AUTH1.DNS.RCN.NET
| NameServer: AUTH2.DNS.RCN.NET
| NameServer: AUTH3.DNS.RCN.NET
| NameServer: AUTH4.DNS.RCN.NET
| Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
| RegDate:
| Updated: 2002-11-05
|
|
| |
| | Thanks for telling me about the diagnostic programs. Would System
| | Monitor give me info that Dr. Watson doesn't? Or any of the others?
|
| System Monitor gives real time analysis. It just happens to be one of
the
| tools included with 98, so it makes it easier to recommend as a start
test
| tool.
|
| |
| | After reading the dslreports posts, and having a really good
| | connection with a non-RCN ISP, I'm inclined to conclude I don't even
| | need to tweak my settings. I welcome your thoughts. And thank you
| | again for your help.
| |
| | Ellen
|
| I would say you're likely correct. RCN seems to be having difficulties
| including having the DNS poisoning issue recently exposed [finally] in a
| recent CERT bulletin. If your connection speed seems acceptable with
another
| ISP, I would say RCN was your issue... enjoy the new service.
|
|
| |
| |
| | MEB wrote:
| | Seems there is actually a problem with the service...
| |
| | http://www.dslreports.com/forum/rcn - Welcome to the RCN Forum
| |
|
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r208...drops-entirely
| |
|
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r207...ing-Techniques
| |
|
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r208...ty-in-Macungie
| |
|
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r208...C-Over-a-month
| |
|
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r208...ver-Spring-209
| |
|
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r208...ns-packet-loss
| |
|
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r207...Modems-Offline
| |
|
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r207...-DNS-acting-up
| |
|
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r205...-Lehigh-Valley
| |
| | Might be a good idea to check for SpyWare, Virus, and other. These
| | can REALLY slow down a connection. BHOs [like search bars, and other
| | goodies] can also severely effect connection speed.
| | You should be running a firewall [regardless of the router/modem
| | router] to ensure that you are *only* connected to the service, and
| | not the "lurkers" and other hackers/crackers that exist on ALL
| | online services. Check the router setup and make sure your not
| | receiving or sending router broadcasts across the Internet.
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| | You might also try uninstalling a re-installing whatever software
| | RCN may have installed.
| |
| | It may be possible to diagnose some of the issue [after the above
| | tests]. You could test and post your connection ping results and
| | network monitoring results here to see if they are within the
| | service's offerings. IF you have your installation CD you can
| | install a few tools to check your system
| | System Resource Meter - basic system resources
| | System Monitor - Within this program you can configure network
| | monitoring, memory monitoring, and other testing to provide you and
| | us with some information to work with.
| |
| | You can also check what is running by using MSInfo32, and memload
| | http://www.filechamp.com/Dl-3022-Memload-download.aspx to give you
| | some other/alternate information.
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