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  #1  
Old June 4th 08, 06:14 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Vlatko
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Posts: 11
Default reinstalling Windows 98

Hello, i have problem with Windows 98,while entering in Windows,in the moment
when i put the password to enter in Win, it stucks,the password is
ok,everything is ok,but imidietly after that,i see the mouse cursor,but
stucked.
I have important programs installed in it,which i cannot find on
internet,they are licnced,i have also important data,so i cannot afford of
loosing any of them because i`1ll have to buy them again. My question is, if
i reinstall Windows 98 without formatiing,will i loose something from the
data and the programs?
i`m also not sure how to reinstall without formatiing,i have bootable Win 98
CD,but i was working with XP all the time,so i`m not sure if its same way
Win98 and XP.
thank you very much in advance
  #2  
Old June 4th 08, 07:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Gary S. Terhune[_2_]
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Posts: 2,158
Default reinstalling Windows 98

Reinstalling "over the top" of an existing installation is not recommended
except in a last-resort effort to get back into your system and get your
personal data out in preparation for a full format and reinstall. An "over
the top" installation usually leaves a system functioning (but not always),
but it leaves it functioning poorly due to mismatched system files. You have
lots of system files that are newer than the ones Setup installs, and while
there are some protections against this, they aren't many.

As for your applications (programs) that you can't find on the internet, you
really need to develop a strategy to replace them. Your Windows 98 box is
going to go completely bad some day, those programs are almost certainly NOT
recoverable, and you'd be foolish not to prepare for that day.

But lets see if we can't figure out what's wrong with your system. First,
can you boot to Safe Mode? In order to boot to Safe Mode, there are a few
ways. Try this first: Start or restart the system, and immediately begin to
repeatedly press the Ctrl or the F8 key (either one). Don't hold the key
down, as that will produce an error. Just repeatedly tap the chosen key
about once per second or slightly more often. This should bring up a Startup
Menu, where you can choose Safe Mode. Or, some people use the F5 key in the
same way, only it immediately boots to Safe Mode, bypassing the Startup
Menu. Different methods work better for different people and on different
machines.

If you can't get into Safe Mode, post back for more intricate solutions.
Otherwise, once you get into Safe Mode, go to StartRun and type in
MSCONFIG, then press enter. When the panel comes up, choose Selective
Startup, then uncheck the bottom item, "Load Startup group items". Next,
click on the Advanced button at lower right and in that panel, check the
item called "Enable Startup Menu". That will make it easier to get into
whatever modes we may need to get into until this is fixed. Click OK, then
click OK again on the main panel, then restart when prompted. When the
Startup Menu comes up, choose Normal Mode. (Note that to be safe, you should
physically disconnect your internet connection at some place between the
wall and your computer. All your background protective applications have
been turned off.)

Did that let the system start up? Or not? (Note that this is just the first
step in diagnostics. Don't try to use the system as it is.)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com


"Vlatko" wrote in message
...
Hello, i have problem with Windows 98,while entering in Windows,in the
moment
when i put the password to enter in Win, it stucks,the password is
ok,everything is ok,but imidietly after that,i see the mouse cursor,but
stucked.
I have important programs installed in it,which i cannot find on
internet,they are licnced,i have also important data,so i cannot afford of
loosing any of them because i`1ll have to buy them again. My question is,
if
i reinstall Windows 98 without formatiing,will i loose something from the
data and the programs?
i`m also not sure how to reinstall without formatiing,i have bootable Win
98
CD,but i was working with XP all the time,so i`m not sure if its same way
Win98 and XP.
thank you very much in advance


  #3  
Old June 4th 08, 08:09 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Vlatko
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Posts: 11
Default reinstalling Windows 98



"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Reinstalling "over the top" of an existing installation is not recommended
except in a last-resort effort to get back into your system and get your
personal data out in preparation for a full format and reinstall. An "over
the top" installation usually leaves a system functioning (but not always),
but it leaves it functioning poorly due to mismatched system files. You have
lots of system files that are newer than the ones Setup installs, and while
there are some protections against this, they aren't many.

As for your applications (programs) that you can't find on the internet, you
really need to develop a strategy to replace them. Your Windows 98 box is
going to go completely bad some day, those programs are almost certainly NOT
recoverable, and you'd be foolish not to prepare for that day.

But lets see if we can't figure out what's wrong with your system. First,
can you boot to Safe Mode? In order to boot to Safe Mode, there are a few
ways. Try this first: Start or restart the system, and immediately begin to
repeatedly press the Ctrl or the F8 key (either one). Don't hold the key
down, as that will produce an error. Just repeatedly tap the chosen key
about once per second or slightly more often. This should bring up a Startup
Menu, where you can choose Safe Mode. Or, some people use the F5 key in the
same way, only it immediately boots to Safe Mode, bypassing the Startup
Menu. Different methods work better for different people and on different
machines.

If you can't get into Safe Mode, post back for more intricate solutions.
Otherwise, once you get into Safe Mode, go to StartRun and type in
MSCONFIG, then press enter. When the panel comes up, choose Selective
Startup, then uncheck the bottom item, "Load Startup group items". Next,
click on the Advanced button at lower right and in that panel, check the
item called "Enable Startup Menu". That will make it easier to get into
whatever modes we may need to get into until this is fixed. Click OK, then
click OK again on the main panel, then restart when prompted. When the
Startup Menu comes up, choose Normal Mode. (Note that to be safe, you should
physically disconnect your internet connection at some place between the
wall and your computer. All your background protective applications have
been turned off.)

Did that let the system start up? Or not? (Note that this is just the first
step in diagnostics. Don't try to use the system as it is.)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

Thank you for the quick reply, i cannot get in Windows in any way,safe mode also,thats the problem,i was trying that also,i was trying also while the password window comes up,to make fgast ctrl-alt-delete,to open the task manager to see if something is active,to turn it off,but the task manager was epmty. i dont want to reinstall the windows also,but i cannot find better solution until now. and about the applications, the problem was that the programs are bought some time ago,and the company is not giving CD or something,to keep them just in case,they are installiung it,and taking money,if you have problem after some time,like now,with the windows, you should buy again....

As far as i noticed,the problem happened when i tried to install drivers,
when i was trying to install the audio driver,after the restart,it gave me
some error message,i dont remember which,something about some stacks i think?
and i was searching for the problem online and i read that its the driver,as
i thought,so i went in safe mode and uninstalled the driver,after that
restart,the computer started doing this,after the password request,it was
making the "updating system settings" and stuck...
So now its not even making the "updating system settings",just stuck after
the password request...
was this history of the happenings helpfull?

  #4  
Old June 4th 08, 09:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Gary S. Terhune[_2_]
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 2,158
Default reinstalling Windows 98

Very helpful, so here's more for you to do.

Please describe the audio drivers installer you used in detail. Name, size,
and if you have one, a download link. Why did you decide to update the
drivers? Was something wrong? Is it an audio card or is the audio onboard
the motherboard? If it's a card, please provide make & model. If it's
onboard, do you know the motherboard make/model? Or if it's a major
brand-name machine, what is the make/model ("HP 5735" would be an example)?

Please do the following: At the Startup Menu, choose Command Prompt Only.
When you get the prompt, run SCANREG /RESTORE. It will offer you up to five
Registry backups. Choose the backup you want to restore based upon Date, not
filename. While I doubt that there was any backup made after all this
problem started, you might want to go back a couple of days to be sure. See
if it will now start in either Normal or Safe Mode.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com


"Vlatko" wrote in message
...


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Reinstalling "over the top" of an existing installation is not
recommended
except in a last-resort effort to get back into your system and get your
personal data out in preparation for a full format and reinstall. An
"over
the top" installation usually leaves a system functioning (but not
always),
but it leaves it functioning poorly due to mismatched system files. You
have
lots of system files that are newer than the ones Setup installs, and
while
there are some protections against this, they aren't many.

As for your applications (programs) that you can't find on the internet,
you
really need to develop a strategy to replace them. Your Windows 98 box is
going to go completely bad some day, those programs are almost certainly
NOT
recoverable, and you'd be foolish not to prepare for that day.

But lets see if we can't figure out what's wrong with your system. First,
can you boot to Safe Mode? In order to boot to Safe Mode, there are a few
ways. Try this first: Start or restart the system, and immediately begin
to
repeatedly press the Ctrl or the F8 key (either one). Don't hold the key
down, as that will produce an error. Just repeatedly tap the chosen key
about once per second or slightly more often. This should bring up a
Startup
Menu, where you can choose Safe Mode. Or, some people use the F5 key in
the
same way, only it immediately boots to Safe Mode, bypassing the Startup
Menu. Different methods work better for different people and on different
machines.

If you can't get into Safe Mode, post back for more intricate solutions.
Otherwise, once you get into Safe Mode, go to StartRun and type in
MSCONFIG, then press enter. When the panel comes up, choose Selective
Startup, then uncheck the bottom item, "Load Startup group items". Next,
click on the Advanced button at lower right and in that panel, check the
item called "Enable Startup Menu". That will make it easier to get into
whatever modes we may need to get into until this is fixed. Click OK,
then
click OK again on the main panel, then restart when prompted. When the
Startup Menu comes up, choose Normal Mode. (Note that to be safe, you
should
physically disconnect your internet connection at some place between the
wall and your computer. All your background protective applications have
been turned off.)

Did that let the system start up? Or not? (Note that this is just the
first
step in diagnostics. Don't try to use the system as it is.)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

Thank you for the quick reply, i cannot get in Windows in any way,safe
mode also,thats the problem,i was trying that also,i was trying also while
the password window comes up,to make fgast ctrl-alt-delete,to open the
task manager to see if something is active,to turn it off,but the task
manager was epmty. i dont want to reinstall the windows also,but i cannot
find better solution until now. and about the applications, the problem
was that the programs are bought some time ago,and the company is not
giving CD or something,to keep them just in case,they are installiung
it,and taking money,if you have problem after some time,like now,with the
windows, you should buy again....

As far as i noticed,the problem happened when i tried to install drivers,
when i was trying to install the audio driver,after the restart,it gave me
some error message,i dont remember which,something about some stacks i
think?
and i was searching for the problem online and i read that its the
driver,as
i thought,so i went in safe mode and uninstalled the driver,after that
restart,the computer started doing this,after the password request,it was
making the "updating system settings" and stuck...
So now its not even making the "updating system settings",just stuck after
the password request...
was this history of the happenings helpfull?


  #5  
Old June 4th 08, 09:07 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Gary S. Terhune[_2_]
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 2,158
Default reinstalling Windows 98

Note: DO NOT keep trying different Registry backups. You will go through all
the possible backups you have, and each Restore creates a new backup that
pushes the oldest one off into the abyss. If the one backup doesn't work, it
is doubtful another will, but we don't want to lose all our options.

Again, only try a SCANREG /RESTORE once.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Vlatko" wrote in message
...


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Reinstalling "over the top" of an existing installation is not
recommended
except in a last-resort effort to get back into your system and get your
personal data out in preparation for a full format and reinstall. An
"over
the top" installation usually leaves a system functioning (but not
always),
but it leaves it functioning poorly due to mismatched system files. You
have
lots of system files that are newer than the ones Setup installs, and
while
there are some protections against this, they aren't many.

As for your applications (programs) that you can't find on the internet,
you
really need to develop a strategy to replace them. Your Windows 98 box is
going to go completely bad some day, those programs are almost certainly
NOT
recoverable, and you'd be foolish not to prepare for that day.

But lets see if we can't figure out what's wrong with your system. First,
can you boot to Safe Mode? In order to boot to Safe Mode, there are a few
ways. Try this first: Start or restart the system, and immediately begin
to
repeatedly press the Ctrl or the F8 key (either one). Don't hold the key
down, as that will produce an error. Just repeatedly tap the chosen key
about once per second or slightly more often. This should bring up a
Startup
Menu, where you can choose Safe Mode. Or, some people use the F5 key in
the
same way, only it immediately boots to Safe Mode, bypassing the Startup
Menu. Different methods work better for different people and on different
machines.

If you can't get into Safe Mode, post back for more intricate solutions.
Otherwise, once you get into Safe Mode, go to StartRun and type in
MSCONFIG, then press enter. When the panel comes up, choose Selective
Startup, then uncheck the bottom item, "Load Startup group items". Next,
click on the Advanced button at lower right and in that panel, check the
item called "Enable Startup Menu". That will make it easier to get into
whatever modes we may need to get into until this is fixed. Click OK,
then
click OK again on the main panel, then restart when prompted. When the
Startup Menu comes up, choose Normal Mode. (Note that to be safe, you
should
physically disconnect your internet connection at some place between the
wall and your computer. All your background protective applications have
been turned off.)

Did that let the system start up? Or not? (Note that this is just the
first
step in diagnostics. Don't try to use the system as it is.)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

Thank you for the quick reply, i cannot get in Windows in any way,safe
mode also,thats the problem,i was trying that also,i was trying also while
the password window comes up,to make fgast ctrl-alt-delete,to open the
task manager to see if something is active,to turn it off,but the task
manager was epmty. i dont want to reinstall the windows also,but i cannot
find better solution until now. and about the applications, the problem
was that the programs are bought some time ago,and the company is not
giving CD or something,to keep them just in case,they are installiung
it,and taking money,if you have problem after some time,like now,with the
windows, you should buy again....

As far as i noticed,the problem happened when i tried to install drivers,
when i was trying to install the audio driver,after the restart,it gave me
some error message,i dont remember which,something about some stacks i
think?
and i was searching for the problem online and i read that its the
driver,as
i thought,so i went in safe mode and uninstalled the driver,after that
restart,the computer started doing this,after the password request,it was
making the "updating system settings" and stuck...
So now its not even making the "updating system settings",just stuck after
the password request...
was this history of the happenings helpfull?


  #6  
Old June 4th 08, 09:37 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Vlatko
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 11
Default reinstalling Windows 98

Like this, this computer had only win98 before,but it had problem with the
motnerboard,and some technitian changed the motherboard and i guess some
other parts (i dont know that history) and added one more hard disk drive,for
Win XP,so they installed XP on that one,which never worked,all the time
restarting,even after reinstalling it few times,but for not thats not problem
because i dont have anything important on it. So,after that i had to find the
drivers for that motherboard and its components,so the motherboard brand is
ECS, Elitegroup.The model is P6SET-ML,and the sound card is integrated.
I guess i didnt understood well,how can i enter in Command Prompt Only when
i cannot enter in Windows?

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Very helpful, so here's more for you to do.

Please describe the audio drivers installer you used in detail. Name, size,
and if you have one, a download link. Why did you decide to update the
drivers? Was something wrong? Is it an audio card or is the audio onboard
the motherboard? If it's a card, please provide make & model. If it's
onboard, do you know the motherboard make/model? Or if it's a major
brand-name machine, what is the make/model ("HP 5735" would be an example)?

Please do the following: At the Startup Menu, choose Command Prompt Only.
When you get the prompt, run SCANREG /RESTORE. It will offer you up to five
Registry backups. Choose the backup you want to restore based upon Date, not
filename. While I doubt that there was any backup made after all this
problem started, you might want to go back a couple of days to be sure. See
if it will now start in either Normal or Safe Mode.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com


"Vlatko" wrote in message
...


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Reinstalling "over the top" of an existing installation is not
recommended
except in a last-resort effort to get back into your system and get your
personal data out in preparation for a full format and reinstall. An
"over
the top" installation usually leaves a system functioning (but not
always),
but it leaves it functioning poorly due to mismatched system files. You
have
lots of system files that are newer than the ones Setup installs, and
while
there are some protections against this, they aren't many.

As for your applications (programs) that you can't find on the internet,
you
really need to develop a strategy to replace them. Your Windows 98 box is
going to go completely bad some day, those programs are almost certainly
NOT
recoverable, and you'd be foolish not to prepare for that day.

But lets see if we can't figure out what's wrong with your system. First,
can you boot to Safe Mode? In order to boot to Safe Mode, there are a few
ways. Try this first: Start or restart the system, and immediately begin
to
repeatedly press the Ctrl or the F8 key (either one). Don't hold the key
down, as that will produce an error. Just repeatedly tap the chosen key
about once per second or slightly more often. This should bring up a
Startup
Menu, where you can choose Safe Mode. Or, some people use the F5 key in
the
same way, only it immediately boots to Safe Mode, bypassing the Startup
Menu. Different methods work better for different people and on different
machines.

If you can't get into Safe Mode, post back for more intricate solutions.
Otherwise, once you get into Safe Mode, go to StartRun and type in
MSCONFIG, then press enter. When the panel comes up, choose Selective
Startup, then uncheck the bottom item, "Load Startup group items". Next,
click on the Advanced button at lower right and in that panel, check the
item called "Enable Startup Menu". That will make it easier to get into
whatever modes we may need to get into until this is fixed. Click OK,
then
click OK again on the main panel, then restart when prompted. When the
Startup Menu comes up, choose Normal Mode. (Note that to be safe, you
should
physically disconnect your internet connection at some place between the
wall and your computer. All your background protective applications have
been turned off.)

Did that let the system start up? Or not? (Note that this is just the
first
step in diagnostics. Don't try to use the system as it is.)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

Thank you for the quick reply, i cannot get in Windows in any way,safe
mode also,thats the problem,i was trying that also,i was trying also while
the password window comes up,to make fgast ctrl-alt-delete,to open the
task manager to see if something is active,to turn it off,but the task
manager was epmty. i dont want to reinstall the windows also,but i cannot
find better solution until now. and about the applications, the problem
was that the programs are bought some time ago,and the company is not
giving CD or something,to keep them just in case,they are installiung
it,and taking money,if you have problem after some time,like now,with the
windows, you should buy again....

As far as i noticed,the problem happened when i tried to install drivers,
when i was trying to install the audio driver,after the restart,it gave me
some error message,i dont remember which,something about some stacks i
think?
and i was searching for the problem online and i read that its the
driver,as
i thought,so i went in safe mode and uninstalled the driver,after that
restart,the computer started doing this,after the password request,it was
making the "updating system settings" and stuck...
So now its not even making the "updating system settings",just stuck after
the password request...
was this history of the happenings helpfull?



  #7  
Old June 4th 08, 10:21 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Gary S. Terhune[_2_]
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 2,158
Default reinstalling Windows 98

To get to "Command Prompt Only", follow the instructions I already gave you
in my first reply for getting to the Startup Menu using F8 or Ctrl key.
"Safe Mode" is one option, "Command Prompt Only" is another. You do NOT want
"Safe Mode Command Prompt Only".

For drivers for that motherboard, did you go here?
http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Dow...uID=82&LanID=0

(If that link doesn't work, use this one: http://tinyurl.com/5632pr)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Vlatko" wrote in message
...
Like this, this computer had only win98 before,but it had problem with the
motnerboard,and some technitian changed the motherboard and i guess some
other parts (i dont know that history) and added one more hard disk
drive,for
Win XP,so they installed XP on that one,which never worked,all the time
restarting,even after reinstalling it few times,but for not thats not
problem
because i dont have anything important on it. So,after that i had to find
the
drivers for that motherboard and its components,so the motherboard brand
is
ECS, Elitegroup.The model is P6SET-ML,and the sound card is integrated.
I guess i didnt understood well,how can i enter in Command Prompt Only
when
i cannot enter in Windows?

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Very helpful, so here's more for you to do.

Please describe the audio drivers installer you used in detail. Name,
size,
and if you have one, a download link. Why did you decide to update the
drivers? Was something wrong? Is it an audio card or is the audio onboard
the motherboard? If it's a card, please provide make & model. If it's
onboard, do you know the motherboard make/model? Or if it's a major
brand-name machine, what is the make/model ("HP 5735" would be an
example)?

Please do the following: At the Startup Menu, choose Command Prompt Only.
When you get the prompt, run SCANREG /RESTORE. It will offer you up to
five
Registry backups. Choose the backup you want to restore based upon Date,
not
filename. While I doubt that there was any backup made after all this
problem started, you might want to go back a couple of days to be sure.
See
if it will now start in either Normal or Safe Mode.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com


"Vlatko" wrote in message
...


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Reinstalling "over the top" of an existing installation is not
recommended
except in a last-resort effort to get back into your system and get
your
personal data out in preparation for a full format and reinstall. An
"over
the top" installation usually leaves a system functioning (but not
always),
but it leaves it functioning poorly due to mismatched system files.
You
have
lots of system files that are newer than the ones Setup installs, and
while
there are some protections against this, they aren't many.

As for your applications (programs) that you can't find on the
internet,
you
really need to develop a strategy to replace them. Your Windows 98 box
is
going to go completely bad some day, those programs are almost
certainly
NOT
recoverable, and you'd be foolish not to prepare for that day.

But lets see if we can't figure out what's wrong with your system.
First,
can you boot to Safe Mode? In order to boot to Safe Mode, there are a
few
ways. Try this first: Start or restart the system, and immediately
begin
to
repeatedly press the Ctrl or the F8 key (either one). Don't hold the
key
down, as that will produce an error. Just repeatedly tap the chosen
key
about once per second or slightly more often. This should bring up a
Startup
Menu, where you can choose Safe Mode. Or, some people use the F5 key
in
the
same way, only it immediately boots to Safe Mode, bypassing the
Startup
Menu. Different methods work better for different people and on
different
machines.

If you can't get into Safe Mode, post back for more intricate
solutions.
Otherwise, once you get into Safe Mode, go to StartRun and type in
MSCONFIG, then press enter. When the panel comes up, choose
Selective
Startup, then uncheck the bottom item, "Load Startup group items".
Next,
click on the Advanced button at lower right and in that panel, check
the
item called "Enable Startup Menu". That will make it easier to get
into
whatever modes we may need to get into until this is fixed. Click OK,
then
click OK again on the main panel, then restart when prompted. When the
Startup Menu comes up, choose Normal Mode. (Note that to be safe, you
should
physically disconnect your internet connection at some place between
the
wall and your computer. All your background protective applications
have
been turned off.)

Did that let the system start up? Or not? (Note that this is just the
first
step in diagnostics. Don't try to use the system as it is.)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

Thank you for the quick reply, i cannot get in Windows in any way,safe
mode also,thats the problem,i was trying that also,i was trying also
while
the password window comes up,to make fgast ctrl-alt-delete,to open the
task manager to see if something is active,to turn it off,but the task
manager was epmty. i dont want to reinstall the windows also,but i
cannot
find better solution until now. and about the applications, the problem
was that the programs are bought some time ago,and the company is not
giving CD or something,to keep them just in case,they are installiung
it,and taking money,if you have problem after some time,like now,with
the
windows, you should buy again....
As far as i noticed,the problem happened when i tried to install
drivers,
when i was trying to install the audio driver,after the restart,it gave
me
some error message,i dont remember which,something about some stacks i
think?
and i was searching for the problem online and i read that its the
driver,as
i thought,so i went in safe mode and uninstalled the driver,after that
restart,the computer started doing this,after the password request,it
was
making the "updating system settings" and stuck...
So now its not even making the "updating system settings",just stuck
after
the password request...
was this history of the happenings helpfull?




  #8  
Old June 4th 08, 10:21 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Gary S. Terhune[_2_]
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 2,158
Default reinstalling Windows 98

To get to "Command Prompt Only", follow the instructions I already gave you
in my first reply for getting to the Startup Menu using F8 or Ctrl key.
"Safe Mode" is one option, "Command Prompt Only" is another. You do NOT want
"Safe Mode Command Prompt Only".

For drivers for that motherboard, did you go here?
http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Dow...uID=82&LanID=0

(If that link doesn't work, use this one: http://tinyurl.com/5632pr)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Vlatko" wrote in message
...
Like this, this computer had only win98 before,but it had problem with the
motnerboard,and some technitian changed the motherboard and i guess some
other parts (i dont know that history) and added one more hard disk
drive,for
Win XP,so they installed XP on that one,which never worked,all the time
restarting,even after reinstalling it few times,but for not thats not
problem
because i dont have anything important on it. So,after that i had to find
the
drivers for that motherboard and its components,so the motherboard brand
is
ECS, Elitegroup.The model is P6SET-ML,and the sound card is integrated.
I guess i didnt understood well,how can i enter in Command Prompt Only
when
i cannot enter in Windows?

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Very helpful, so here's more for you to do.

Please describe the audio drivers installer you used in detail. Name,
size,
and if you have one, a download link. Why did you decide to update the
drivers? Was something wrong? Is it an audio card or is the audio onboard
the motherboard? If it's a card, please provide make & model. If it's
onboard, do you know the motherboard make/model? Or if it's a major
brand-name machine, what is the make/model ("HP 5735" would be an
example)?

Please do the following: At the Startup Menu, choose Command Prompt Only.
When you get the prompt, run SCANREG /RESTORE. It will offer you up to
five
Registry backups. Choose the backup you want to restore based upon Date,
not
filename. While I doubt that there was any backup made after all this
problem started, you might want to go back a couple of days to be sure.
See
if it will now start in either Normal or Safe Mode.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com


"Vlatko" wrote in message
...


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Reinstalling "over the top" of an existing installation is not
recommended
except in a last-resort effort to get back into your system and get
your
personal data out in preparation for a full format and reinstall. An
"over
the top" installation usually leaves a system functioning (but not
always),
but it leaves it functioning poorly due to mismatched system files.
You
have
lots of system files that are newer than the ones Setup installs, and
while
there are some protections against this, they aren't many.

As for your applications (programs) that you can't find on the
internet,
you
really need to develop a strategy to replace them. Your Windows 98 box
is
going to go completely bad some day, those programs are almost
certainly
NOT
recoverable, and you'd be foolish not to prepare for that day.

But lets see if we can't figure out what's wrong with your system.
First,
can you boot to Safe Mode? In order to boot to Safe Mode, there are a
few
ways. Try this first: Start or restart the system, and immediately
begin
to
repeatedly press the Ctrl or the F8 key (either one). Don't hold the
key
down, as that will produce an error. Just repeatedly tap the chosen
key
about once per second or slightly more often. This should bring up a
Startup
Menu, where you can choose Safe Mode. Or, some people use the F5 key
in
the
same way, only it immediately boots to Safe Mode, bypassing the
Startup
Menu. Different methods work better for different people and on
different
machines.

If you can't get into Safe Mode, post back for more intricate
solutions.
Otherwise, once you get into Safe Mode, go to StartRun and type in
MSCONFIG, then press enter. When the panel comes up, choose
Selective
Startup, then uncheck the bottom item, "Load Startup group items".
Next,
click on the Advanced button at lower right and in that panel, check
the
item called "Enable Startup Menu". That will make it easier to get
into
whatever modes we may need to get into until this is fixed. Click OK,
then
click OK again on the main panel, then restart when prompted. When the
Startup Menu comes up, choose Normal Mode. (Note that to be safe, you
should
physically disconnect your internet connection at some place between
the
wall and your computer. All your background protective applications
have
been turned off.)

Did that let the system start up? Or not? (Note that this is just the
first
step in diagnostics. Don't try to use the system as it is.)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

Thank you for the quick reply, i cannot get in Windows in any way,safe
mode also,thats the problem,i was trying that also,i was trying also
while
the password window comes up,to make fgast ctrl-alt-delete,to open the
task manager to see if something is active,to turn it off,but the task
manager was epmty. i dont want to reinstall the windows also,but i
cannot
find better solution until now. and about the applications, the problem
was that the programs are bought some time ago,and the company is not
giving CD or something,to keep them just in case,they are installiung
it,and taking money,if you have problem after some time,like now,with
the
windows, you should buy again....
As far as i noticed,the problem happened when i tried to install
drivers,
when i was trying to install the audio driver,after the restart,it gave
me
some error message,i dont remember which,something about some stacks i
think?
and i was searching for the problem online and i read that its the
driver,as
i thought,so i went in safe mode and uninstalled the driver,after that
restart,the computer started doing this,after the password request,it
was
making the "updating system settings" and stuck...
So now its not even making the "updating system settings",just stuck
after
the password request...
was this history of the happenings helpfull?




  #9  
Old June 4th 08, 10:41 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Vlatko
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 11
Default reinstalling Windows 98


How can i describe how happy i am...how can i repay you...
now it enters in windows,it gives some message like "error loading EGACCESS
4_1069.dll, the system cannot find the file specified",but thats from
before,i guess from some start up program...
and the XP keeps restarting,but i should ask on diferent forum for that?
Thank you sooo much... Gary...no words can say how calm i am now...
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Note: DO NOT keep trying different Registry backups. You will go through all
the possible backups you have, and each Restore creates a new backup that
pushes the oldest one off into the abyss. If the one backup doesn't work, it
is doubtful another will, but we don't want to lose all our options.

Again, only try a SCANREG /RESTORE once.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Vlatko" wrote in message
...


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Reinstalling "over the top" of an existing installation is not
recommended
except in a last-resort effort to get back into your system and get your
personal data out in preparation for a full format and reinstall. An
"over
the top" installation usually leaves a system functioning (but not
always),
but it leaves it functioning poorly due to mismatched system files. You
have
lots of system files that are newer than the ones Setup installs, and
while
there are some protections against this, they aren't many.

As for your applications (programs) that you can't find on the internet,
you
really need to develop a strategy to replace them. Your Windows 98 box is
going to go completely bad some day, those programs are almost certainly
NOT
recoverable, and you'd be foolish not to prepare for that day.

But lets see if we can't figure out what's wrong with your system. First,
can you boot to Safe Mode? In order to boot to Safe Mode, there are a few
ways. Try this first: Start or restart the system, and immediately begin
to
repeatedly press the Ctrl or the F8 key (either one). Don't hold the key
down, as that will produce an error. Just repeatedly tap the chosen key
about once per second or slightly more often. This should bring up a
Startup
Menu, where you can choose Safe Mode. Or, some people use the F5 key in
the
same way, only it immediately boots to Safe Mode, bypassing the Startup
Menu. Different methods work better for different people and on different
machines.

If you can't get into Safe Mode, post back for more intricate solutions.
Otherwise, once you get into Safe Mode, go to StartRun and type in
MSCONFIG, then press enter. When the panel comes up, choose Selective
Startup, then uncheck the bottom item, "Load Startup group items". Next,
click on the Advanced button at lower right and in that panel, check the
item called "Enable Startup Menu". That will make it easier to get into
whatever modes we may need to get into until this is fixed. Click OK,
then
click OK again on the main panel, then restart when prompted. When the
Startup Menu comes up, choose Normal Mode. (Note that to be safe, you
should
physically disconnect your internet connection at some place between the
wall and your computer. All your background protective applications have
been turned off.)

Did that let the system start up? Or not? (Note that this is just the
first
step in diagnostics. Don't try to use the system as it is.)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

Thank you for the quick reply, i cannot get in Windows in any way,safe
mode also,thats the problem,i was trying that also,i was trying also while
the password window comes up,to make fgast ctrl-alt-delete,to open the
task manager to see if something is active,to turn it off,but the task
manager was epmty. i dont want to reinstall the windows also,but i cannot
find better solution until now. and about the applications, the problem
was that the programs are bought some time ago,and the company is not
giving CD or something,to keep them just in case,they are installiung
it,and taking money,if you have problem after some time,like now,with the
windows, you should buy again....

As far as i noticed,the problem happened when i tried to install drivers,
when i was trying to install the audio driver,after the restart,it gave me
some error message,i dont remember which,something about some stacks i
think?
and i was searching for the problem online and i read that its the
driver,as
i thought,so i went in safe mode and uninstalled the driver,after that
restart,the computer started doing this,after the password request,it was
making the "updating system settings" and stuck...
So now its not even making the "updating system settings",just stuck after
the password request...
was this history of the happenings helpfull?



  #10  
Old June 4th 08, 10:41 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.setup
Vlatko
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 11
Default reinstalling Windows 98


How can i describe how happy i am...how can i repay you...
now it enters in windows,it gives some message like "error loading EGACCESS
4_1069.dll, the system cannot find the file specified",but thats from
before,i guess from some start up program...
and the XP keeps restarting,but i should ask on diferent forum for that?
Thank you sooo much... Gary...no words can say how calm i am now...
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Note: DO NOT keep trying different Registry backups. You will go through all
the possible backups you have, and each Restore creates a new backup that
pushes the oldest one off into the abyss. If the one backup doesn't work, it
is doubtful another will, but we don't want to lose all our options.

Again, only try a SCANREG /RESTORE once.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Vlatko" wrote in message
...


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

Reinstalling "over the top" of an existing installation is not
recommended
except in a last-resort effort to get back into your system and get your
personal data out in preparation for a full format and reinstall. An
"over
the top" installation usually leaves a system functioning (but not
always),
but it leaves it functioning poorly due to mismatched system files. You
have
lots of system files that are newer than the ones Setup installs, and
while
there are some protections against this, they aren't many.

As for your applications (programs) that you can't find on the internet,
you
really need to develop a strategy to replace them. Your Windows 98 box is
going to go completely bad some day, those programs are almost certainly
NOT
recoverable, and you'd be foolish not to prepare for that day.

But lets see if we can't figure out what's wrong with your system. First,
can you boot to Safe Mode? In order to boot to Safe Mode, there are a few
ways. Try this first: Start or restart the system, and immediately begin
to
repeatedly press the Ctrl or the F8 key (either one). Don't hold the key
down, as that will produce an error. Just repeatedly tap the chosen key
about once per second or slightly more often. This should bring up a
Startup
Menu, where you can choose Safe Mode. Or, some people use the F5 key in
the
same way, only it immediately boots to Safe Mode, bypassing the Startup
Menu. Different methods work better for different people and on different
machines.

If you can't get into Safe Mode, post back for more intricate solutions.
Otherwise, once you get into Safe Mode, go to StartRun and type in
MSCONFIG, then press enter. When the panel comes up, choose Selective
Startup, then uncheck the bottom item, "Load Startup group items". Next,
click on the Advanced button at lower right and in that panel, check the
item called "Enable Startup Menu". That will make it easier to get into
whatever modes we may need to get into until this is fixed. Click OK,
then
click OK again on the main panel, then restart when prompted. When the
Startup Menu comes up, choose Normal Mode. (Note that to be safe, you
should
physically disconnect your internet connection at some place between the
wall and your computer. All your background protective applications have
been turned off.)

Did that let the system start up? Or not? (Note that this is just the
first
step in diagnostics. Don't try to use the system as it is.)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

Thank you for the quick reply, i cannot get in Windows in any way,safe
mode also,thats the problem,i was trying that also,i was trying also while
the password window comes up,to make fgast ctrl-alt-delete,to open the
task manager to see if something is active,to turn it off,but the task
manager was epmty. i dont want to reinstall the windows also,but i cannot
find better solution until now. and about the applications, the problem
was that the programs are bought some time ago,and the company is not
giving CD or something,to keep them just in case,they are installiung
it,and taking money,if you have problem after some time,like now,with the
windows, you should buy again....

As far as i noticed,the problem happened when i tried to install drivers,
when i was trying to install the audio driver,after the restart,it gave me
some error message,i dont remember which,something about some stacks i
think?
and i was searching for the problem online and i read that its the
driver,as
i thought,so i went in safe mode and uninstalled the driver,after that
restart,the computer started doing this,after the password request,it was
making the "updating system settings" and stuck...
So now its not even making the "updating system settings",just stuck after
the password request...
was this history of the happenings helpfull?



 




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