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Old February 6th 05, 01:28 PM
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Point taken about the posting protocol.

More information...
I'm told that I must limit RAM to below 1GB during Windows 9x Setup.
So, I put the HDD in an old pc with 512MB of RAM and installed Windows
98SE (clean install) successfully.

I then put the drive back in the new pc with 2GB RAM. I set
MaxFileCache=512000 and MaxPhysPage=30000 in system.ini and rebooted.

I pressed F8 on boot up and selected "4. step by step confirmation". I
answered "N" to config.sys and autoexec.bat and "Y" to everything else,
including himem.sys, dblbuff.sys and ifshlp.sys. (If I answered "N" to
these, I got the error message 'himem.sys not loaded')

When I got to the line msmouse.vxd and presses Enter, the system just
hangs (blinking cursor, no activity). Then had to power down manually
(Ctrl Alt Del had no effect).

I had a look at bootlog.txt. All drivers listed had loaded
successfully. The last 7 lines of bootlog.txt are
[000BA12D] Initing hsflop.pdr
[000BA130] Init success hsflop.pdr
[000BA130] Initing esdi_506.pdr
[000BA136] Init success esdi_506.pdr
[000BA137] Initing esdi_506.pdr
[000BA13C] Init success esdi_506.pdr
[000BA13D] Initing esdi_506.pdr

Does this indicate a memory problem?

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Old February 6th 05, 03:58 PM
Mikhail Zhilin
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I would boot in Command Prompt Only mode, and rename Config.sys and
Autoexec.bat as, say, Config.w98 and Autoexec.w98:

ren c:\config.sys *.w98
ren c:\autoexec.bat *.w98

Restart after that (Ctrl-Alt-Del) in normal mode: step-by-step
confirmation loads Command.com, that won't be loaded at all if there is
no Autoexec.bat.

It is one of the possible causes. But there can be some subtle effects
concerning 2GB RAM at the very first boot stage -- then only decreasing
of physical RAM to 1.5GB (less likely -- to 1GB: I knew some Win98
systems with 1.5GB RAM) will help.

To restore the original Autoexec.bat and Config.sys, boot in Command
Prompt Only mode again, and enter the commands:

ren c:\config.w98 *.sys
ren c:\autoexec.w98 *.bat

And be sure if there is EMM386.EXE in Config.sys -- the system won't
work correctly even with as low as 1GB of physical RAM. Some minor
problems, when you have 1GB or more RAM, may be also if there is a line
with Himem.sys in Config.sys. No need to have it, because if there is no
such line -- Himem.sys will be loaded in any case: via io.sys, with no
additional problems.
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On 6 Feb 2005 04:28:46 -0800, wrote:

Point taken about the posting protocol.

More information...
I'm told that I must limit RAM to below 1GB during Windows 9x Setup.
So, I put the HDD in an old pc with 512MB of RAM and installed Windows
98SE (clean install) successfully.

I then put the drive back in the new pc with 2GB RAM. I set
MaxFileCache=512000 and MaxPhysPage=30000 in system.ini and rebooted.

I pressed F8 on boot up and selected "4. step by step confirmation". I
answered "N" to config.sys and autoexec.bat and "Y" to everything else,
including himem.sys, dblbuff.sys and ifshlp.sys. (If I answered "N" to
these, I got the error message 'himem.sys not loaded')

When I got to the line msmouse.vxd and presses Enter, the system just
hangs (blinking cursor, no activity). Then had to power down manually
(Ctrl Alt Del had no effect).

I had a look at bootlog.txt. All drivers listed had loaded
successfully. The last 7 lines of bootlog.txt are
[000BA12D] Initing hsflop.pdr
[000BA130] Init success hsflop.pdr
[000BA130] Initing esdi_506.pdr
[000BA136] Init success esdi_506.pdr
[000BA137] Initing esdi_506.pdr
[000BA13C] Init success esdi_506.pdr
[000BA13D] Initing esdi_506.pdr

Does this indicate a memory problem?


  #23  
Old February 6th 05, 05:11 PM
RJK
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This may need to be considered - you don't state P4 cpu speed :-)

http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;312108

regards, Richard


"Pandora" wrote in message
m...
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Windows 98 and 98SE don't have Autoexec.bat of Config.sys files by =
default, but there's no reason you can't add them. On the other hand, =
you are right in thinking that the "usual" things that these files were =
used for in prior versions of MS-DOS and Windows are handled in other =
ways by Win98/98SE. In other words, these two venerable files are =
perfectly acceptable in Windows 98/98SE, but you have to be sure you're =
employing them appropriately.

Which is all rather beside the point: If you read the responses to your =
case in this newsgroup, all suggestions for how to remedy your issue =
involve editing System.ini. Safest way to do that is to use SYSEDIT, =
launched from the Run box, but Notepad will also suffice (however, don't
=
use WordPad or any more complicated text editor, since they may throw in
=
formatting characters and destroy the file.)

snip


I am trying to load Windows 98SE on to a PC with 2GB ram. (It is a new
PC with a Pentium 4 motherboard.)

On a reboot near the end of the installation process, I get the
following message:

"Insufficient memory to initialize Windows.

Quit one or more memory-resident programs or remove unnecessary
utilities from your CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT files, and restart
your computer."

Having read the Microsoft Knowledgebase on this matter, I have entered
the following lines into C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM.INI:

In the [386Enh] section -
MaxPhysPage=30000

In the [vcache] section -
MaxFileCache=275000

Despite adding these lines, I cannot get past the above error message.
Any suggestions on how to get 98SE to install on this machine?

Note that my config.sys file does not contain any reference to
himem.sys or emm386.exe



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Old February 8th 05, 03:02 PM
Pandora
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Mikhail Zhilin wrote in message . ..
I would boot in Command Prompt Only mode, and rename Config.sys and
Autoexec.bat as, say, Config.w98 and Autoexec.w98:

ren c:\config.sys *.w98
ren c:\autoexec.bat *.w98

Restart after that (Ctrl-Alt-Del) in normal mode: step-by-step
confirmation loads Command.com, that won't be loaded at all if there is
no Autoexec.bat.


I tried this suggestion but the system just hung after a brief
appearance of the Windows 98 logo.sys start up screen.

I think that I will just have to concede defeat on this one. Maybe
there are some settings in the BIOS that could provide the solution
but I think that the considerable time it will take me to discover the
right settings is probably not offset by the benefit of running 98se
on this machine.

Many thanks to everyone for their suggestions and patience.
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Old February 8th 05, 09:37 PM
PCR
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Moving an HDD one computer to another may run into a VMM32.vxd problem.
This is a conglomerate driver file created only during an install of
Windows, though an over-install will do. The drivers inside may be
specific to the computer on which the install was done. It is possible
to override individual drivers of VMM32.vxd by placing a driver of the
same name into C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VMM32.

http://support.microsoft.com/default...98&Product=w98
Windows 95/98 Boots Directly to "Shut Down" Screen

........Quote of article............
SYMPTOMS
When you start your computer, you may see the following message:

It's now safe to turn off your computer
This behavior can occur in any mode.

CAUSE
This behavior can occur if the Vmm32.vxd or Wininit.exe file is missing
or damaged.

RESOLUTION
To resolve this issue, follow these steps:

1. To Obtain a New Copy of the Wininit.exe File
Extract a new copy of the Wininit.exe file from your original Windows
95/98 disks or CD-ROM to the Windows folder. In Windows 95, the
Wininit.exe file is located in the Win95_11.cab cabinet file on the
Windows 95 CD-ROM or disk 11 of your original Windows 95 disks.

For more information about using the Extract tool, click Start, point to
Programs, click MS-DOS prompt, type extract, and then press ENTER.

For additional information about using the Extract tool, please see the
following article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;EN-US;129605
129605 How to Extract Original Compressed Windows Files

2. Restart the computer.

NOTE: If you installed Windows 95 from a CD-ROM, you may need to enable
the Mscdex.exe line in the Autoexec.bat file or reinstall the real-mode
CD-ROM drivers included with the CD-ROM drive before you can reinstall
Windows 95. After you enable the real-mode CD-ROM drivers, repeat step 1
to restart the computer.

To Re-Create the Vmm32.vxd File

1. Restart your computer. For Windows 95, when you see the "Starting
Windows 95" message, press the F8 key, and then choose Command Prompt
Only from the Startup menu. For Windows 98, press and hold down the CTRL
key after your computer completes the Power On Self Test (POST), and
then choose Command Prompt Only from the Startup menu.

2. Type the following line to change to the Windows\System folder:
cd \windows\system

3. Type the following line:
ren vmm32.vxd vmm32.old

4. Reinstall Windows 95/98.

NOTE: If you installed Windows 95 from a CD-ROM, you may need to enable
the Mscdex.exe line in the Autoexec.bat file or reinstall the real-mode
CD-ROM drivers included with the CD-ROM drive before you can reinstall
Windows 95. After you enable the real-mode CD-ROM drivers, repeat step 1
to restart the computer.

MORE INFORMATION
A Vmm32.vxd file is included on the Windows 95 disks and CD-ROM.
Extracting this version of the file does not solve the problem, as it is
an incomplete version of the file. You must run Setup to re-create a
system-specific Vmm32.vxd file.

If Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) is enabled in your
computer's Basic Input/Output System (BIOS), the "It's now safe to turn
off your computer" message may not be displayed when you shut down
Windows 95/98.

If this article does not describe your shutdown-related issue, please
see the following Microsoft Web site to view more articles about
shutting down Windows 98:

The information in this article applies to:
Microsoft Windows 95
........End of quote.................


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Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

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oups.com...
| Point taken about the posting protocol.
|
| More information...
| I'm told that I must limit RAM to below 1GB during Windows 9x Setup.
| So, I put the HDD in an old pc with 512MB of RAM and installed Windows
| 98SE (clean install) successfully.
|
| I then put the drive back in the new pc with 2GB RAM. I set
| MaxFileCache=512000 and MaxPhysPage=30000 in system.ini and rebooted.
|
| I pressed F8 on boot up and selected "4. step by step confirmation". I
| answered "N" to config.sys and autoexec.bat and "Y" to everything
else,
| including himem.sys, dblbuff.sys and ifshlp.sys. (If I answered "N" to
| these, I got the error message 'himem.sys not loaded')
|
| When I got to the line msmouse.vxd and presses Enter, the system just
| hangs (blinking cursor, no activity). Then had to power down manually
| (Ctrl Alt Del had no effect).
|
| I had a look at bootlog.txt. All drivers listed had loaded
| successfully. The last 7 lines of bootlog.txt are
| [000BA12D] Initing hsflop.pdr
| [000BA130] Init success hsflop.pdr
| [000BA130] Initing esdi_506.pdr
| [000BA136] Init success esdi_506.pdr
| [000BA137] Initing esdi_506.pdr
| [000BA13C] Init success esdi_506.pdr
| [000BA13D] Initing esdi_506.pdr
|
| Does this indicate a memory problem?
|


 




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