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Thank you for the information 98 Guy, but we're loosing the question here(My
fault I started it ;( ) and Marie is helped, I hope, to discover the wonder world of Win'98 and another pc is saved. Lets leave it here. Thank you all for the help and info, learning every day here "98 Guy" wrote in message ... Full-quoter John John wrote: And note - Micro$oft doesn't sponsor or control this newsgroup. Microsoft created the microsoft.* hierarchy Probably they did. Lots of groups are or have been created by individuals and organizations over the years. It doesn't matter who created a given group or set of groups. If they're propagated outside the organization that created it, then they will have no control over what is posted, nor on what is removed. and made it available to the Usenet. Only usenet makes posts available to usenet. Microsoft plays no role in making any MS group "available" to usenet. Microsoft's NNTP servers play no special or unique role in the availability or propagation of MS usenet groups. Microsoft may not control what is posted or replicated on other servers in the Usenet but it does control what is posted or replicated on *their* servers (msnews), The operator of any NNTP server can control or perform oversight and removal of posts. The removal of posts on a local system almost NEVER means that same post is also removed from other NNTP servers elsewhere on the net. for example, Microsoft removes spam and inappropriate posts on their servers pretty well every day, And I see that my post on Wed. Dec 5 (where I posted links to various MS product keys, and specifically posted 5 win-98se product keys) was removed or is otherwise not being shown on the ms technet interface to this group. Must keep someone busy at MS to censor posts like that. Anyone who wants to see the FULL, UNCENSORED version of this thread, should look he http://tinyurl.com/27xre3 There are 19 posts. Only 11 are being shown on the MS server. There is a post on Dec. 4 by Bill Watt that was removed (no idea why). Several posts by win98_fan have also been removed. Oddly, there is a Dec 5 post by the OP (Marie) that also doesn't show up on the MS server, and it contains nothing that I'd consider as censorship material, so it's not clear to me why it's not showing up on the MS server. Maybe you can explain it. Here is a link to the technet posts: http://tinyurl.com/ynqp82 You'll have to expand the tree beside the "No product key" thread. if others who run news servers "synchronize" to the Microsoft servers these posts will also be removed on their servers, Doubt it. Posts that make it to the MS server (but are removed later by a censor) would have been propagated to other servers. The vast majority of usenet operators do not honor external message cancels, so even if MS sent one out (which is only speculation that they do) it is highly unlikely to be honored by the operators of other servers. |
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For some reason my reply did not post so here goes...I have a generic
computer with a VIA KT4V Series Chipset based mainboard and a M830 series system Board that was installed by a computer store that is no longer - My Error Message says EXPLORER caused an invalid page fault in module EXPLORER.EXE @ D197:00401f31. I hope this helps... Marie "glee" wrote: When you get an "illegal operation" error message, click the "Details" button, and post back with the exact details *word for word*, UP TO BUT NOT INCLUDING the memory registers. The info you gave in your reply was incomplete. "invalid page fault - exe 0197:00401F31" is not what you saw. The message would name a particular .exe file and would probably also name the module involved, such as "Explorer.exe caused an invalid page fault in module kernel32.dll at 0197:00401F31" or something like that. This is the info we need word for word as it appears in the error details, along with exactly when the error occurs. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ "Marie" wrote in message ... ok guys - I am really not computer savy but I'll do my best here. After the sign on screen I get the explorer message that program has performed illegal operation and will be shut down. (It doesn't shut down...) I looked at the details and it shows invalid page fault - exe 0197:00401F31 and then a whole list of registers: EAX CS EIP EFLGS EBX SS ESP EPP ECX DS ESI FS EDX ES EDI GS then Bytes at CS:EIP:stack dump. After I click on ok and expecting it to shut down, it doesn't. Just get the blank green screen. If I do Cntrol Alt Del no program shows up. If I do it again it will shut down. Please help me! "Jeff Richards" wrote: You probably got that setup screen because the system detected some sort of problem and initiated a re-installation procedure, using the installation files stored on disk. You need to identify what sort of error occurred and whether there are still problems with the machine. Is yours a brand name PC, such as Dell? If so, the manufacturer will have diagnostic software available for download, or it may already be installed on your disk, and there will be a procedure for running diagnostics to confirm that the machine is still operating properly. If it's old enough to be running W98 it's probably old enough to be prone to hardware problems. The other possibility is that you somehow started the machine with a W98 installation CD in the drive. In that case you have replaced your installation of W98 with a different version, and it is likely that not all of the correct drivers were installed. But as Bill says, we need more details about the error, including the point in the startup process where it occurs and the exact wording of the message, before it's possible to take a guess at what's happening. -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) "Marie" wrote in message ... Thank you soooo much...I found one that worked but now I keep getting an error report and it shuts me down. Start up screen doesn't come up either. Any good words of advice on this one? |
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Geez, first you say they can't control what is posted to their groups on
their servers then you say that they removed posts in the discussion thread, make up your mind, you are a walking contradiction. See below for more comments. 98 Guy wrote: Full-quoter John John wrote: And note - Micro$oft doesn't sponsor or control this newsgroup. Microsoft created the microsoft.* hierarchy Probably they did. They not "Probably did" they did, period! Lots of groups are or have been created by individuals and organizations over the years. What does that have to do with Microsoft? Do you think that you are giving us a great revelation by telling us that lots of Usenet groups have been created by others? It doesn't matter who created a given group or set of groups. If they're propagated outside the organization that created it, then they will have no control over what is posted, nor on what is removed. They will have control on what is posted directly to their servers and to what is removed on their servers. If you want to post directly to one of their servers and if they refuse to post it then it won't be on the Usenet system at all! No one ever said that Microsoft controls posts on other servers in the Usenet system. and made it available to the Usenet. Only usenet makes posts available to usenet. Microsoft plays no role in making any MS group "available" to usenet. Now you are showing more of your ignorance. Microsoft could have decided to make their newsgroups private, they could have decided to not make their groups available to the Usenet. Are you saying that if Microsoft had decided to have private newsgroups that anyone could hack their servers and make all the contents of their private groups available on the Usenet? Do you really think that's how things work? Microsoft (and a pile of other companies) also has private newsgroups and these groups were not made available to the Usenet and they don't show up on the Usenet. Microsoft's NNTP servers play no special or unique role in the availability or propagation of MS usenet groups. It does if someone is trying to originate the post from the Microsoft servers, if Microsoft decides to not post it at all then it won't be there for other servers to replicate it. Microsoft may not control what is posted or replicated on other servers in the Usenet but it does control what is posted or replicated on *their* servers (msnews), The operator of any NNTP server can control or perform oversight and removal of posts. The removal of posts on a local system almost NEVER means that same post is also removed from other NNTP servers elsewhere on the net. Well gee, why are you trying to first deny that they can't remove posts and then you turn around and say that "...The operator of any NNTP server can control..."? What is your point, if you even have one? for example, Microsoft removes spam and inappropriate posts on their servers pretty well every day, And I see that my post on Wed. Dec 5 (where I posted links to various MS product keys, and specifically posted 5 win-98se product keys) was removed or is otherwise not being shown on the ms technet interface to this group. This isn't a TechNet group. Must keep someone busy at MS to censor posts like that. Why should they have left that on *their* servers? What gives you the right to participate in software piracy and to then insist that Microsoft help you do it by having their servers at your disposition for your piracy activities? Would you be so kind and gentle as to hold the door open for crooks at your house while you were being robbed? There are 19 posts. Only 11 are being shown on the MS server. Exactly, as I first said, Microsoft can, and does remove some posts from *their* servers. That is what I said in my first reply to you, nothing more and nothing less. If you want to keep on arguing and posting contradictions then do as you please, it's the Usenet. If your posts don't make it to the Microsoft servers I for one won't be crying if I don't see them. Oddly, there is a Dec 5 post by the OP (Marie) that also doesn't show up on the MS server, and it contains nothing that I'd consider as censorship material, so it's not clear to me why it's not showing up on the MS server. Maybe you can explain it. Here is a link to the technet posts: http://tinyurl.com/ynqp82 That is not a link to TechNet groups. It appears plainly enough to me that you don't know what TechNet is or that you are incorrectly using the name to describe something else. if others who run news servers "synchronize" to the Microsoft servers these posts will also be removed on their servers, Doubt it. More silliness, I see that you don't know what "synchronization" means. Posts that make it to the MS server (but are removed later by a censor) would have been propagated to other servers. No one said otherwise, but the whole point is that if you are trying to post directly to a msnews Microsoft server and if (for any reason whatsoever) the post doesn't even make it to the groups to begin with then it won't be on the Usenet anywhere. Of course if you post to a non Microsoft server then the post will be on whatever server that wants to have it, but that doesn't mean that Microsoft has to accept the post or replicate it on their servers, and the fact that Microsoft *does* control what is on their servers and that they can and do at times remove posts has been clearly demonstrated in this thread. Which brings us back to your initial statement and the one that I first commented on: And note - Micro$oft doesn't sponsor or control this newsgroup. Microsoft created the group, Microsoft hosts the group on their servers and Microsoft can remove anything it pleases on *their* servers. No one ever said that they (Microsoft) control other servers owned by others in the Usenet system. What others do with their servers is their business, not Microsoft's, and vice-versa. John |
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HELLLLPPPP!!!! You guys lost me in this interchange. Where are we with the answer to my last post???? Where I explained my computer and the error message? Do I have to bring this to a fix-it guy???? Or will I be able to do it myself with your help. Remember - I'm a stay-at-home grandma with limited expertise! Marie "John John" wrote: Geez, first you say they can't control what is posted to their groups on their servers then you say that they removed posts in the discussion thread, make up your mind, you are a walking contradiction. See below for more comments. 98 Guy wrote: Full-quoter John John wrote: And note - Micro$oft doesn't sponsor or control this newsgroup. Microsoft created the microsoft.* hierarchy Probably they did. They not "Probably did" they did, period! Lots of groups are or have been created by individuals and organizations over the years. What does that have to do with Microsoft? Do you think that you are giving us a great revelation by telling us that lots of Usenet groups have been created by others? It doesn't matter who created a given group or set of groups. If they're propagated outside the organization that created it, then they will have no control over what is posted, nor on what is removed. They will have control on what is posted directly to their servers and to what is removed on their servers. If you want to post directly to one of their servers and if they refuse to post it then it won't be on the Usenet system at all! No one ever said that Microsoft controls posts on other servers in the Usenet system. and made it available to the Usenet. Only usenet makes posts available to usenet. Microsoft plays no role in making any MS group "available" to usenet. Now you are showing more of your ignorance. Microsoft could have decided to make their newsgroups private, they could have decided to not make their groups available to the Usenet. Are you saying that if Microsoft had decided to have private newsgroups that anyone could hack their servers and make all the contents of their private groups available on the Usenet? Do you really think that's how things work? Microsoft (and a pile of other companies) also has private newsgroups and these groups were not made available to the Usenet and they don't show up on the Usenet. Microsoft's NNTP servers play no special or unique role in the availability or propagation of MS usenet groups. It does if someone is trying to originate the post from the Microsoft servers, if Microsoft decides to not post it at all then it won't be there for other servers to replicate it. Microsoft may not control what is posted or replicated on other servers in the Usenet but it does control what is posted or replicated on *their* servers (msnews), The operator of any NNTP server can control or perform oversight and removal of posts. The removal of posts on a local system almost NEVER means that same post is also removed from other NNTP servers elsewhere on the net. Well gee, why are you trying to first deny that they can't remove posts and then you turn around and say that "...The operator of any NNTP server can control..."? What is your point, if you even have one? for example, Microsoft removes spam and inappropriate posts on their servers pretty well every day, And I see that my post on Wed. Dec 5 (where I posted links to various MS product keys, and specifically posted 5 win-98se product keys) was removed or is otherwise not being shown on the ms technet interface to this group. This isn't a TechNet group. Must keep someone busy at MS to censor posts like that. Why should they have left that on *their* servers? What gives you the right to participate in software piracy and to then insist that Microsoft help you do it by having their servers at your disposition for your piracy activities? Would you be so kind and gentle as to hold the door open for crooks at your house while you were being robbed? There are 19 posts. Only 11 are being shown on the MS server. Exactly, as I first said, Microsoft can, and does remove some posts from *their* servers. That is what I said in my first reply to you, nothing more and nothing less. If you want to keep on arguing and posting contradictions then do as you please, it's the Usenet. If your posts don't make it to the Microsoft servers I for one won't be crying if I don't see them. Oddly, there is a Dec 5 post by the OP (Marie) that also doesn't show up on the MS server, and it contains nothing that I'd consider as censorship material, so it's not clear to me why it's not showing up on the MS server. Maybe you can explain it. Here is a link to the technet posts: http://tinyurl.com/ynqp82 That is not a link to TechNet groups. It appears plainly enough to me that you don't know what TechNet is or that you are incorrectly using the name to describe something else. if others who run news servers "synchronize" to the Microsoft servers these posts will also be removed on their servers, Doubt it. More silliness, I see that you don't know what "synchronization" means. Posts that make it to the MS server (but are removed later by a censor) would have been propagated to other servers. No one said otherwise, but the whole point is that if you are trying to post directly to a msnews Microsoft server and if (for any reason whatsoever) the post doesn't even make it to the groups to begin with then it won't be on the Usenet anywhere. Of course if you post to a non Microsoft server then the post will be on whatever server that wants to have it, but that doesn't mean that Microsoft has to accept the post or replicate it on their servers, and the fact that Microsoft *does* control what is on their servers and that they can and do at times remove posts has been clearly demonstrated in this thread. Which brings us back to your initial statement and the one that I first commented on: And note - Micro$oft doesn't sponsor or control this newsgroup. Microsoft created the group, Microsoft hosts the group on their servers and Microsoft can remove anything it pleases on *their* servers. No one ever said that they (Microsoft) control other servers owned by others in the Usenet system. What others do with their servers is their business, not Microsoft's, and vice-versa. John |
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"Marie" wrote in message
news HELLLLPPPP!!!! You guys lost me in this interchange. Where are we with the answer to my last post???? Where I explained my computer and the error message? Do I have to bring this to a fix-it guy???? Or will I be able to do it myself with your help. Remember - I'm a stay-at-home grandma with limited expertise! Marie I posted links for you to use to start troubleshooting the error you are getting, two days ago. You may not have seen the post, so I will give them to you again: Explorer Caused an Invalid Page Fault in Module... http://support.microsoft.com/kb/191609 http://www.colba.net/~hlebo49/errexp...RREXPLORER.EXE -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ |
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"Marie" wrote in message news
HELLLLPPPP!!!! You guys lost me in this interchange. Where are we with the answer to my last post???? Where I explained my computer and the error message? Do I have to bring this to a fix-it guy???? Or will I be able to do it myself with your help. Remember - I'm a stay-at-home grandma with limited expertise! Marie If you found a key that works and now have a different problem, please repost with the new problem, including any error messages. Ben |
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How do I go about typing in those links? My screen is blank - nothing! - Very frustrating! "glee" wrote: "Marie" wrote in message news HELLLLPPPP!!!! You guys lost me in this interchange. Where are we with the answer to my last post???? Where I explained my computer and the error message? Do I have to bring this to a fix-it guy???? Or will I be able to do it myself with your help. Remember - I'm a stay-at-home grandma with limited expertise! Marie I posted links for you to use to start troubleshooting the error you are getting, two days ago. You may not have seen the post, so I will give them to you again: Explorer Caused an Invalid Page Fault in Module... http://support.microsoft.com/kb/191609 http://www.colba.net/~hlebo49/errexp...RREXPLORER.EXE -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ |
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What I was afraid off, sorry my fault, I took the wrong turn somewhere.
As you are sending this, you have another computer to go online with. Start explorer there and type in the link(s) that Glen gave you. The first one ends with cybermedia.com and gives: Error: Access is Denied. [[[How come Glen? ]]] And the second one gives this as a solution: Windows 98 1. Restart Windows 98, press and hold CTRL, and then choose Command Prompt Only from the Startup menu. 2. At the command prompt, type the following command, and then press ENTER ren drive:\windows\system\shdocvw.dll shdocvw.old where drive is the drive letter on which the Windows folder is located, and windows is the name of the folder in which Windows is installed. For example: ren c:\windows\system\shdocvw.dll shdocvw.old NOTE: This procedure assumes you do not have a Shdocvw.old file already located on your hard disk. If this file already exists, use a file name extension that is not currently in use. 3. Extract the Shdocvw.dll file from the correct media source to the Windows\System folder. For information about how to do so, see the following article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base: 129605 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/129605/EN-US/) How to Extract Original Compressed Windows Files NOTE: If you are unable to access your CD-ROM drive at a command prompt, you need to load the real-mode CD-ROM driver and real-mode Microsoft CD-ROM Extensions driver (Mscdex.exe), in your Config.sys and Autoexec.bat files. For more information, please see the following article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base: 135174 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/135174/EN-US/) Cannot Access CD-ROM Drive from MS-DOS Mode or Command Prompt 4. Restart your computer. "Marie" wrote in message ... How do I go about typing in those links? My screen is blank - nothing! - Very frustrating! I posted links for you to use to start troubleshooting the error you are getting, two days ago. You may not have seen the post, so I will give them to you again: Explorer Caused an Invalid Page Fault in Module... http://support.microsoft.com/kb/191609 http://www.colba.net/~hlebo49/errexp...RREXPLORER.EXE -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ |
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Marie wrote:
How do I go about typing in those links? My screen is blank - nothing! - Very frustrating! Marie: Please note that because you are reading and posting these messages on Microsoft's own server, you are not seeing all the posts because someone here (most likey an MVP) is alerting microsoft to some posts, and they are being removed. So you are reading a censored version of this newsgroup. If you follow this google-group link: http://tinyurl.com/2ra347 you will be able to read the full, uncensored thread. There you will see some posts that will give you the information you are asking for. Look particularly at post #20. |
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"win98 fan " wrote in message ...
What I was afraid off, sorry my fault, I took the wrong turn somewhere. As you are sending this, you have another computer to go online with. Start explorer there and type in the link(s) that Glen gave you. The first one ends with cybermedia.com and gives: Error: Access is Denied. [[[How come Glen? ]]] snip Explorer Caused an Invalid Page Fault in Module... http://support.microsoft.com/kb/191609 http://www.colba.net/~hlebo49/errexp...RREXPLORER.EXE cybermedia.com? What are you talking about? This is the first link I gave: Explorer Caused an Invalid Page Fault in Module... http://support.microsoft.com/kb/191609 It goes to the MS KB article described. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ |
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