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  #11  
Old October 17th 05, 04:28 PM
L.
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Default reinstalling 98se???

Good AM.
Followed your above instructions.
c:
md WIN98
e:
cd win98
copy *.* c:\win98

Stopped 1/2 way through d/l so started again using different cd(F)overwrite
and it appears everything loaded OK.

When I removed floppy and reboot, get the following msg.

"Invalid system disk
Replace the disk, & press any key"

When I press any key, I get the following msg:

"search for ----.
1. Boot from hard disk.
2. Boot from CD-ROM"

If I select #1., and get to c:\ and type setup, get error msg.
"bad command or file name"

help,,,,,,







"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
I've got the manual for that mobo in front of me and it's surprisingly
detailed. Will make a list of settings I *think* should be set, and then
we'll go through them.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"L..." wrote in message
...
Again, thanks for the info.
Getting ready to take off so will follow suggestions when we get back

Monday
and let you know what happens.
Something to think about, is there a way to reset BIOS and anything else
back to "factory" settings?

I've got a feeling everything is messed up, BIOS, DRIVERS, etc.etc.etc.

and
I'm trying to learn to start everything over. IOW- should I do anything

else
before trying to reload Win98se?

Have a good week-end and set some sleep!!


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Well, I have to say that FailSafe settings in BIOS are seldom correct.

And
I'm not really the person you need to tell you how to set up BIOS
correctly
and to diagnose the video issue -- at least not right now. Just can't

seem
to wrap my brain around it. Need sleep...

Anyway, you should probably concentrate on those issues at the moment

and
use my copy-files-to-HDD method to simplify things. When it comes down

to
it, you can easily resize, move and create/delete partitions without

using
FDISK and without destroying data -- that is, it can be done after the
fact
using a tool like BootIt NG. But in your shoes, I'd probably FDISK the
thing
for now, saying Yes to the large-disk support option, delete the

existing
partition, reboot, go back and then create an 8 GB Primary Partition
(8192MB) to install Win98 to. Leave the rest for later, when you're
certain
you have a viable system and settings are right. Nothing like
installing
Windows to make you get those things adjusted properly.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User


"L..." wrote in message
...
Seems I'm not the only one with an install problem dealing with a

GA-7zx.
Found another entry dated yesterday from Herman.


"L..." wrote in message
...
This older system is used primarily for back up storage for my main
system
AND, just in case, our systems goes down. My wifes system blew a

power
supply last month and this old one filled in real nice for a couple

of
days.

What I've been doing lately is "playing" with it. I had a 16 meg

video
card(AGP) that went out, replaced it with an old 8 meg PCI card I
had
in
a
"supply box" until I got a replacement(32 meg AGP I took out of my
wifes
system and installed a new 64 meg card in her system). Now I can't

get
the
system to stay "on" unless I leave the PCI card in a slot but I plug
the
monitor into the AGP Nvidia card. If I go into BOIS at startup, the
monitor stays on but as soon as I try to go further, it shuts down.
A
friend says I have a bad AGP slot but why would it stay on during
startup
and BIOS screen?
I set BIOS to "fail safe" setting.

That's one thing that started the reformat/reload. Now it's all

messed
up
but I can't see getting rid of the system.

SO, it's a tool to learn on and man am I learning, more patience
than
anything, but also a good standby/backup.

L.


"Ron Badour" wrote in message
...
Fdisk is only run to create or delete partitions. If you are
satisfied
with your existing partitions, do not run fdisk. For information
on
installing W98, go to:
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/w98_restore.html


--
Regards


Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo



"L..." wrote in message
...
Thanks for the info.
We're going out of town this week-end but will try when I get back
Sunday/Monday.
Just didn't want you to think I forgot.

Do I need to run fdisk before/after formatting?


L.


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
What I'd try is to boot to the floppy Startup disk, with CDROM
support,
and
run the following (assumes your CDROM drive is E:\. Edit if
necessary.)
Press Enter at the end of each line. Pay attention to spaces
and
punctuation.

c:
md WIN98
e:
cd win98
copy *.* c:\win98

That will put all the necessary files onto your hard drive. It

will
also
tell you if the problem is not being able to read files from the

CD.
If
you
get errors, then you should try replacing the drive. But it may

also
be
due
to the CD itself being scratched or otherwise damaged. If

scratches
are
suspected, wipe the CD with a soft cloth using radial strokes

(from
the
center of the CD to the outer edge) not in a circular motion.

Also,
I've
seen good results from using car wax to polish the CD surface
(the
side
opposite the label.) Lastly, if the label side is scratched

deeply,
the
CD
may simply be worthless now. That's the side the data actually
resides
on.

If the Copy operation goes well, then remove the floppy disk and
reboot. At
the C:\ prompt, type:

md win98
setup

If you still have problems, then report back with details.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User


"L." wrote in message
...
gigabyte socket A MB ga-7zxe
amd 950 duron
2 newer cd drive-1 burner
agp 32 meg video card
onboard sound

Had some major problems I couldn't correct plus system was
really
loaded
down so---.

Reformatted a 40gig HD. format c: /s

When I start to reload WIN98se, the system hangs at
" Windows 98 setup" screen (setup is preparing the win98 setup
wizard-----).
The first time I tried to reload it hung at ~ 32%. Push reset
button
and
now
it's hung at ~ 5 % and floppy light is solid green.

Any suggestions please,

PS Before posting, tried again and changed the win98 cd to the
other
cd
player. Locked up at 13% with no lights on.
Should I replace the "newer" cd player with an older 24x I have

and
try
it?
























  #12  
Old October 17th 05, 09:18 PM
Gary S. Terhune
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Default reinstalling 98se???

"L." wrote in message
...
Good AM.
Followed your above instructions.
c:
md WIN98
e:
cd win98
copy *.* c:\win98

Stopped 1/2 way through d/l so started again using different

cd(F)overwrite
and it appears everything loaded OK.

When I removed floppy and reboot, get the following msg.

"Invalid system disk
Replace the disk, & press any key"

When I press any key, I get the following msg:

"search for ----.
1. Boot from hard disk.
2. Boot from CD-ROM"


It's your botched BIOS settings, specifically the Boot Order. I usually make
it:

1. Floppy drive
2. CDROM
3. HDD0

But, just for the installation, you could change it to HDD0 first.

If I select #1., and get to c:\ and type setup, get error msg.
"bad command or file name"


Well, I don't believe I said to type Setup at the C:\ prompt. You have to
change to the directory where you copied the installation files to, using
the CD command (Change Directory.) But I *did* get the commands wrong -- i
mistakenly wrote MD instead of CD. So here they are again. At the C:\
prompt, run the following *two* commands:

cd win98
setup

Of course, with your BIOS settings in need of review, the installation may
not go well. Perhaps now is the time to review your BIOS settings. How about
you go through and write them all down for me? There are utilities out there
that will copy them to a text file, run from a bootable floppy, even, but
I'm not familiar enough with them to say for sure, and all that would
probably take just as much time or more. Once I see what you have, I can ask
questions about your hardware and we'll see if we can't get into relatively
decent shape. I know I said I was going to write down a list for you, but
I'm swamped with work (that had been held up by a string of SNAFUs until
Friday evening) and getting ready to travel next weekend, be gone maybe a
week (more work.) I just haven't had the time to work up the list. Easier
for me to comment on your list, s. Just tell me what the settings are now.
I can see what the options are from the manual.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User



  #13  
Old October 17th 05, 11:00 PM
L.
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Default reinstalling 98se???

Update.
I thought everything copied to c:\ drive BUT I found that the install
stopped at precopy2 cab.

When I typed setup, received error msg, something about high mem. flashed on
screen over and over and over.
Replaced the "newer" 56x cd-rom with the original 24x that came with
system(told you I had a "box of supplies" :-) and removed the cd-rw drive.
Will copy any and/or all setting in BIOS.
Do you want everything catagory?
Boot order in "BIOS Features Setup" is as follows:
floppy
IDE-0
cdrom

Another item. When system first comes on it runs through mem test, not
normal, and then a 'wait" shows up for almost a minute. This is not "normal"
either. "Normal" is not testing mem(262144KB) and finding drives real fast.




"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
"L." wrote in message
...
Good AM.
Followed your above instructions.
c:
md WIN98
e:
cd win98
copy *.* c:\win98

Stopped 1/2 way through d/l so started again using different

cd(F)overwrite
and it appears everything loaded OK.

When I removed floppy and reboot, get the following msg.

"Invalid system disk
Replace the disk, & press any key"

When I press any key, I get the following msg:

"search for ----.
1. Boot from hard disk.
2. Boot from CD-ROM"


It's your botched BIOS settings, specifically the Boot Order. I usually
make
it:

1. Floppy drive
2. CDROM
3. HDD0

But, just for the installation, you could change it to HDD0 first.

If I select #1., and get to c:\ and type setup, get error msg.
"bad command or file name"


Well, I don't believe I said to type Setup at the C:\ prompt. You have to
change to the directory where you copied the installation files to, using
the CD command (Change Directory.) But I *did* get the commands wrong -- i
mistakenly wrote MD instead of CD. So here they are again. At the C:\
prompt, run the following *two* commands:

cd win98
setup

Of course, with your BIOS settings in need of review, the installation may
not go well. Perhaps now is the time to review your BIOS settings. How
about
you go through and write them all down for me? There are utilities out
there
that will copy them to a text file, run from a bootable floppy, even, but
I'm not familiar enough with them to say for sure, and all that would
probably take just as much time or more. Once I see what you have, I can
ask
questions about your hardware and we'll see if we can't get into
relatively
decent shape. I know I said I was going to write down a list for you, but
I'm swamped with work (that had been held up by a string of SNAFUs until
Friday evening) and getting ready to travel next weekend, be gone maybe a
week (more work.) I just haven't had the time to work up the list. Easier
for me to comment on your list, s. Just tell me what the settings are
now.
I can see what the options are from the manual.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User





  #14  
Old October 17th 05, 11:39 PM
Gary S. Terhune
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Default reinstalling 98se???

You can look at the files themselves using the DIR command. Do this:

Boot to the floppy Startup disk, note what your CD drive letter is (I'll
assume it's E), put in the Win98 CD, then run the following commands:

e:
cd win98
dir /p

The /p part makes it scroll one screen at a time. You press any key to
continue to the next screen. Since most of the files are named WIN98_xx.CAB,
it's easy to make a list of the files if you want. Ignore Directory entries,
and note how many files there are. Then do the same procedure using C:
instead of E: and then compare them.

Have you tried cleaning the CD according to my previous suggestions?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"L." wrote in message
...
Update.
I thought everything copied to c:\ drive BUT I found that the install
stopped at precopy2 cab.

When I typed setup, received error msg, something about high mem. flashed

on
screen over and over and over.
Replaced the "newer" 56x cd-rom with the original 24x that came with
system(told you I had a "box of supplies" :-) and removed the cd-rw drive.
Will copy any and/or all setting in BIOS.
Do you want everything catagory?
Boot order in "BIOS Features Setup" is as follows:
floppy
IDE-0
cdrom

Another item. When system first comes on it runs through mem test, not
normal, and then a 'wait" shows up for almost a minute. This is not

"normal"
either. "Normal" is not testing mem(262144KB) and finding drives real

fast.




"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
"L." wrote in message
...
Good AM.
Followed your above instructions.
c:
md WIN98
e:
cd win98
copy *.* c:\win98

Stopped 1/2 way through d/l so started again using different

cd(F)overwrite
and it appears everything loaded OK.

When I removed floppy and reboot, get the following msg.

"Invalid system disk
Replace the disk, & press any key"

When I press any key, I get the following msg:

"search for ----.
1. Boot from hard disk.
2. Boot from CD-ROM"


It's your botched BIOS settings, specifically the Boot Order. I usually
make
it:

1. Floppy drive
2. CDROM
3. HDD0

But, just for the installation, you could change it to HDD0 first.

If I select #1., and get to c:\ and type setup, get error msg.
"bad command or file name"


Well, I don't believe I said to type Setup at the C:\ prompt. You have

to
change to the directory where you copied the installation files to,

using
the CD command (Change Directory.) But I *did* get the commands wrong --

i
mistakenly wrote MD instead of CD. So here they are again. At the C:\
prompt, run the following *two* commands:

cd win98
setup

Of course, with your BIOS settings in need of review, the installation

may
not go well. Perhaps now is the time to review your BIOS settings. How
about
you go through and write them all down for me? There are utilities out
there
that will copy them to a text file, run from a bootable floppy, even,

but
I'm not familiar enough with them to say for sure, and all that would
probably take just as much time or more. Once I see what you have, I can
ask
questions about your hardware and we'll see if we can't get into
relatively
decent shape. I know I said I was going to write down a list for you,

but
I'm swamped with work (that had been held up by a string of SNAFUs until
Friday evening) and getting ready to travel next weekend, be gone maybe

a
week (more work.) I just haven't had the time to work up the list.

Easier
for me to comment on your list, s. Just tell me what the settings are
now.
I can see what the options are from the manual.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User







  #15  
Old October 18th 05, 12:15 AM
L...
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Posts: n/a
Default reinstalling 98se???

Cleaned Cd as instructed.
Here's where I left off, at home now so will have to start again tomorrow.
The system is down to bare bones.
One 24x cd-rom, 40 gig HD, 8 meg video Matrox PCI card, no modem, network
card, etc. on-board sound.
Started to reload files and stopped 1/2 through load.

BIOS settings:

STANDARD CMOS SETUP
Time and date OK.
Primary Master: auto(let system find HD)
Pri. slave: not installed
Sec. Master: cdrom


BIOS
1. floppy
2. cdrom
3. ide-0
Floppy Drive Search: Enable
Bootup Num. Lock: On
Password check: setup
HDD S.M.A.R.T. Cap.: Disable
Interrupt Mode: PIC


CHIPSET
Top Performance: Disabled
Dram Freq.: 100Mhz
Sdram cas# lat.: 3

AGP Fastwrite: Disabled
" Mode: 4x
" Comp. Drive: Auto
Manual AGP Comp. Driving: DB
AGP aperture Size: 64MB
PCI Delay Transaction: Enable
USB Controller: All USB Port
" Legacy Support: Disable
" Port 64/60 Emulattor: Disable
BIOS Flash Protection: Auto
Dram Drive Strength: Auto
NID Bus strength: high
cas bus strength: high
Delay DRAM read latch: 1.0ns
Mem. data drive: 8ma
Sdram command drive: 24ma
cas# drive: 24ma
ras# drive: 12mz
(forgot) : 24ma

Hope this helps....



Sec. slave: not installed


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
You can look at the files themselves using the DIR command. Do this:

Boot to the floppy Startup disk, note what your CD drive letter is (I'll
assume it's E), put in the Win98 CD, then run the following commands:

e:
cd win98
dir /p

The /p part makes it scroll one screen at a time. You press any key to
continue to the next screen. Since most of the files are named
WIN98_xx.CAB,
it's easy to make a list of the files if you want. Ignore Directory
entries,
and note how many files there are. Then do the same procedure using C:
instead of E: and then compare them.

Have you tried cleaning the CD according to my previous suggestions?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"L." wrote in message
...
Update.
I thought everything copied to c:\ drive BUT I found that the install
stopped at precopy2 cab.

When I typed setup, received error msg, something about high mem. flashed

on
screen over and over and over.
Replaced the "newer" 56x cd-rom with the original 24x that came with
system(told you I had a "box of supplies" :-) and removed the cd-rw
drive.
Will copy any and/or all setting in BIOS.
Do you want everything catagory?
Boot order in "BIOS Features Setup" is as follows:
floppy
IDE-0
cdrom

Another item. When system first comes on it runs through mem test, not
normal, and then a 'wait" shows up for almost a minute. This is not

"normal"
either. "Normal" is not testing mem(262144KB) and finding drives real

fast.




"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
"L." wrote in message
...
Good AM.
Followed your above instructions.
c:
md WIN98
e:
cd win98
copy *.* c:\win98

Stopped 1/2 way through d/l so started again using different
cd(F)overwrite
and it appears everything loaded OK.

When I removed floppy and reboot, get the following msg.

"Invalid system disk
Replace the disk, & press any key"

When I press any key, I get the following msg:

"search for ----.
1. Boot from hard disk.
2. Boot from CD-ROM"

It's your botched BIOS settings, specifically the Boot Order. I usually
make
it:

1. Floppy drive
2. CDROM
3. HDD0

But, just for the installation, you could change it to HDD0 first.

If I select #1., and get to c:\ and type setup, get error msg.
"bad command or file name"

Well, I don't believe I said to type Setup at the C:\ prompt. You have

to
change to the directory where you copied the installation files to,

using
the CD command (Change Directory.) But I *did* get the commands
wrong --

i
mistakenly wrote MD instead of CD. So here they are again. At the C:\
prompt, run the following *two* commands:

cd win98
setup

Of course, with your BIOS settings in need of review, the installation

may
not go well. Perhaps now is the time to review your BIOS settings. How
about
you go through and write them all down for me? There are utilities out
there
that will copy them to a text file, run from a bootable floppy, even,

but
I'm not familiar enough with them to say for sure, and all that would
probably take just as much time or more. Once I see what you have, I
can
ask
questions about your hardware and we'll see if we can't get into
relatively
decent shape. I know I said I was going to write down a list for you,

but
I'm swamped with work (that had been held up by a string of SNAFUs
until
Friday evening) and getting ready to travel next weekend, be gone maybe

a
week (more work.) I just haven't had the time to work up the list.

Easier
for me to comment on your list, s. Just tell me what the settings are
now.
I can see what the options are from the manual.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User









  #16  
Old October 18th 05, 01:52 AM
Gary S. Terhune
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default reinstalling 98se???


"L..." wrote in message
...
Cleaned Cd as instructed.
Here's where I left off, at home now so will have to start again tomorrow.
The system is down to bare bones.
One 24x cd-rom, 40 gig HD, 8 meg video Matrox PCI card, no modem, network
card, etc. on-board sound.
Started to reload files and stopped 1/2 through load.


Take that disk to a running Windows system and see if you can copy the files
to the hard drive, then make a new CD from them. I suspect, however, that
the disk is FUBAR. Then again, maybe the disk is OK and there's something
wrong with the system. I doubt it, but you never know...

Remember, you want all of the *files* in the WIN98 folder. The
sub-directories are useless crap.


BIOS settings:

STANDARD CMOS SETUP
Time and date OK.
Primary Master: auto(let system find HD)


Good! Always best to leave IDE detection set to Auto.

Pri. slave: not installed
Sec. Master: cdrom


OK, but make sure, *one_more_time* that the drives are jumpered and cabled
correctly. Another issue might be CS (Cable Select) which determines
Master/Slave based upon which connector on the ribbon cable they're plugged
into. But CS requires a fully rigged cable, and many OEM cables are not up
to the task. See here for the long explanation:
http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/ide/confCS-c.html

I'll comment inline, below. If I have no comment, I figure the item is
probably set correctly.


BIOS
1. floppy
2. cdrom
3. ide-0
Floppy Drive Search: Enable


Floppy Drive Search is not usually required. Best to uncheck it.

Bootup Num. Lock: On
Password check: setup
HDD S.M.A.R.T. Cap.: Disable
Interrupt Mode: PIC


I see no mention of a Boot Sector Virus Check here. If there is one, make
sure it's disabled.


CHIPSET
Top Performance: Disabled
Dram Freq.: 100Mhz
Sdram cas# lat.: 3

AGP Fastwrite: Disabled
" Mode: 4x
" Comp. Drive: Auto
Manual AGP Comp. Driving: DB
AGP aperture Size: 64MB
PCI Delay Transaction: Enable
USB Controller: All USB Port
" Legacy Support: Disable
" Port 64/60 Emulattor: Disable


I assume you aren't using USB mouse or keyboard. If you are, you need to
enable the Legacy Support.

BIOS Flash Protection: Auto
Dram Drive Strength: Auto
NID Bus strength: high
cas bus strength: high
Delay DRAM read latch: 1.0ns
Mem. data drive: 8ma
Sdram command drive: 24ma
cas# drive: 24ma
ras# drive: 12mz
(forgot) : 24ma


Leave those alone at present, though you might later want to get a utility
that will positively identify your RAM and determine what settings are best.
One that same note, how much RAM is installed and in what configuration? If
you can, leave only one stick in Slot 1. But you'll need at least 32MB to do
the install, preferably 64MB.

OK, that's the easy half. What happened to the PNP/PCI Configuration page?
And Integrated Preipherals?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User




  #17  
Old October 18th 05, 02:12 AM
L...
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default reinstalling 98se???

See bolow..
*****

*****


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...

"L..." wrote in message
...
Cleaned Cd as instructed.
Here's where I left off, at home now so will have to start again
tomorrow.
The system is down to bare bones.
One 24x cd-rom, 40 gig HD, 8 meg video Matrox PCI card, no modem, network
card, etc. on-board sound.
Started to reload files and stopped 1/2 through load.


Take that disk to a running Windows system and see if you can copy the
files
to the hard drive, then make a new CD from them. I suspect, however, that
the disk is FUBAR. Then again, maybe the disk is OK and there's something
wrong with the system. I doubt it, but you never know...

Remember, you want all of the *files* in the WIN98 folder. The
sub-directories are useless crap.

*****************
I have two win98se cd's.
1. OEM version.
2. Full version.

Have been working with the OEM version since I've used it a couple of times
in past when I lost a HD.

*****************



BIOS settings:

STANDARD CMOS SETUP
Time and date OK.
Primary Master: auto(let system find HD)


Good! Always best to leave IDE detection set to Auto.

Pri. slave: not installed
Sec. Master: cdrom


OK, but make sure, *one_more_time* that the drives are jumpered and cabled
correctly. Another issue might be CS (Cable Select) which determines
Master/Slave based upon which connector on the ribbon cable they're
plugged
into. But CS requires a fully rigged cable, and many OEM cables are not up
to the task. See here for the long explanation:
http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/ide/confCS-c.html

******************
haven't messed with the HD. primary cable master.
The cd is set for master, NOT cs and on the secondary cable.
******************

I'll comment inline, below. If I have no comment, I figure the item is
probably set correctly.


BIOS
1. floppy
2. cdrom
3. ide-0
Floppy Drive Search: Enable


Floppy Drive Search is not usually required. Best to uncheck it. *** OK
***

Bootup Num. Lock: On
Password check: setup
HDD S.M.A.R.T. Cap.: Disable
Interrupt Mode: PIC


I see no mention of a Boot Sector Virus Check here. If there is one, make
sure it's disabled. *** WILL CHECK AND REPORT BACK. ***


CHIPSET
Top Performance: Disabled
Dram Freq.: 100Mhz
Sdram cas# lat.: 3

AGP Fastwrite: Disabled
" Mode: 4x
" Comp. Drive: Auto
Manual AGP Comp. Driving: DB
AGP aperture Size: 64MB
PCI Delay Transaction: Enable
USB Controller: All USB Port
" Legacy Support: Disable
" Port 64/60 Emulattor: Disable


I assume you aren't using USB mouse or keyboard. If you are, you need to
enable the Legacy Support. CORRECT

BIOS Flash Protection: Auto
Dram Drive Strength: Auto
NID Bus strength: high
cas bus strength: high
Delay DRAM read latch: 1.0ns
Mem. data drive: 8ma
Sdram command drive: 24ma
cas# drive: 24ma
ras# drive: 12mz
(forgot) : 24ma


Leave those alone at present, though you might later want to get a utility
that will positively identify your RAM and determine what settings are
best.
One that same note, how much RAM is installed and in what configuration?
If
you can, leave only one stick in Slot 1. But you'll need at least 32MB to
do
the install, preferably 64MB.

***************
Have two sticks, each 128 in slots 1 & 2.
***************

OK, that's the easy half. What happened to the PNP/PCI Configuration page?
And Integrated Preipherals?

*********************
I had to copy each section, write it down and then retype into e-mail.
I'll get the rest tomorrow.
*********************



--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User






  #18  
Old October 18th 05, 02:30 AM
Gary S. Terhune
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"L..." wrote in message
...
*****************
I have two win98se cd's.
1. OEM version.
2. Full version.

Have been working with the OEM version since I've used it a couple of

times
in past when I lost a HD.

*****************


And both of them fail during the Copy routine? That's not a good sign.

******************
haven't messed with the HD. primary cable master.
The cd is set for master, NOT cs and on the secondary cable.
******************


Have you tried different cables?

One that same note, how much RAM is installed and in what configuration?
If
you can, leave only one stick in Slot 1. But you'll need at least 32MB

to
do
the install, preferably 64MB.

***************
Have two sticks, each 128 in slots 1 & 2.
***************


Yank the second one out for the install.


OK, that's the easy half. What happened to the PNP/PCI Configuration

page?
And Integrated Preipherals?

*********************
I had to copy each section, write it down and then retype into e-mail.
I'll get the rest tomorrow.
*********************


Smile, I figured it was something like that. Just yankin' your chain, s.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User



  #19  
Old October 18th 05, 03:19 AM
L...
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Default reinstalling 98se???


Actually I've only been working with the OEM version.
Will set BIOS to your recommendations and try the other version PLUS I'll
start coping more of the settings and post tomorrow. :-)

Thanks for your help,


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...

"L..." wrote in message
...
*****************
I have two win98se cd's.
1. OEM version.
2. Full version.

Have been working with the OEM version since I've used it a couple of

times
in past when I lost a HD.

*****************


And both of them fail during the Copy routine? That's not a good sign.

******************
haven't messed with the HD. primary cable master.
The cd is set for master, NOT cs and on the secondary cable.
******************


Have you tried different cables?

One that same note, how much RAM is installed and in what
configuration?
If
you can, leave only one stick in Slot 1. But you'll need at least 32MB

to
do
the install, preferably 64MB.

***************
Have two sticks, each 128 in slots 1 & 2.
***************


Yank the second one out for the install.


OK, that's the easy half. What happened to the PNP/PCI Configuration

page?
And Integrated Preipherals?

*********************
I had to copy each section, write it down and then retype into e-mail.
I'll get the rest tomorrow.
*********************


Smile, I figured it was something like that. Just yankin' your chain,
s.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User





  #20  
Old October 18th 05, 06:01 PM
L.
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Default reinstalling 98se???

OK, that's the easy half. What happened to the PNP/PCI Configuration page?
And Integrated Preipherals?


--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User


Here goes.

PNP/PCI CONFIG.

PNP OS installed: no
Reset config. data: no
VA boot from: agp
PCI vga palette snoop: Disable
PCI slot 1/5 IRQ Pri.: auto
" " 2 " " : auto
" " 3 " " : auto
" " 4 " " : auto
IRQ 3: PCI/Pnp
4: "
5: "
7: "
9: "
10: "
11: "
14: "
15: "


INTEGRATED PERIF.

Enhanced ATAPI perf.: Disable
On board IDE: both
IDE1 cond. cable: auto
IDE2 cond. cable: auto
onboard FDC: auto
onboard serial porta: auto
onboard serail portb: auto
serial portb mode: normal
duplex mode: n/a
onboard parallel port: auto
parallel port mode; ECP
parallel port IRQ: auto
parallel port DMA: auto
ac97 audio: auto
onboard legacy audio: enable
soundblaster: disable
sb i/o base address: 220h-22fh
sb irq select: 5
sb dma select: 1
mpu-401 : disable
mpu-401 i/o address: 330h-333h
fm port (388h-38bh): disable
game port(200h-207h): enable


Now I have another problem.
Came in this morning, turned on system with floppy in. selected start with
cdrom support and the system is freezing at:

This driver is provided by Oak Tech., Inc.
OTI-91x ATAPI cd=rom devise driver Rev. D9wv352
copyright-----....
Device name :OEMCD001 (this is where it stopping)

I've tried 3 different cd-roms and switched cables. and checked master/slave
switches.



"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...

"L..." wrote in message
...
Cleaned Cd as instructed.
Here's where I left off, at home now so will have to start again
tomorrow.
The system is down to bare bones.
One 24x cd-rom, 40 gig HD, 8 meg video Matrox PCI card, no modem, network
card, etc. on-board sound.
Started to reload files and stopped 1/2 through load.


Take that disk to a running Windows system and see if you can copy the
files
to the hard drive, then make a new CD from them. I suspect, however, that
the disk is FUBAR. Then again, maybe the disk is OK and there's something
wrong with the system. I doubt it, but you never know...

Remember, you want all of the *files* in the WIN98 folder. The
sub-directories are useless crap.


BIOS settings:

STANDARD CMOS SETUP
Time and date OK.
Primary Master: auto(let system find HD)


Good! Always best to leave IDE detection set to Auto.

Pri. slave: not installed
Sec. Master: cdrom


OK, but make sure, *one_more_time* that the drives are jumpered and cabled
correctly. Another issue might be CS (Cable Select) which determines
Master/Slave based upon which connector on the ribbon cable they're
plugged
into. But CS requires a fully rigged cable, and many OEM cables are not up
to the task. See here for the long explanation:
http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/ide/confCS-c.html

I'll comment inline, below. If I have no comment, I figure the item is
probably set correctly.


BIOS
1. floppy
2. cdrom
3. ide-0
Floppy Drive Search: Enable


Floppy Drive Search is not usually required. Best to uncheck it.

Bootup Num. Lock: On
Password check: setup
HDD S.M.A.R.T. Cap.: Disable
Interrupt Mode: PIC


I see no mention of a Boot Sector Virus Check here. If there is one, make
sure it's disabled.


CHIPSET
Top Performance: Disabled
Dram Freq.: 100Mhz
Sdram cas# lat.: 3

AGP Fastwrite: Disabled
" Mode: 4x
" Comp. Drive: Auto
Manual AGP Comp. Driving: DB
AGP aperture Size: 64MB
PCI Delay Transaction: Enable
USB Controller: All USB Port
" Legacy Support: Disable
" Port 64/60 Emulattor: Disable


I assume you aren't using USB mouse or keyboard. If you are, you need to
enable the Legacy Support.

BIOS Flash Protection: Auto
Dram Drive Strength: Auto
NID Bus strength: high
cas bus strength: high
Delay DRAM read latch: 1.0ns
Mem. data drive: 8ma
Sdram command drive: 24ma
cas# drive: 24ma
ras# drive: 12mz
(forgot) : 24ma


Leave those alone at present, though you might later want to get a utility
that will positively identify your RAM and determine what settings are
best.
One that same note, how much RAM is installed and in what configuration?
If
you can, leave only one stick in Slot 1. But you'll need at least 32MB to
do
the install, preferably 64MB.

OK, that's the easy half. What happened to the PNP/PCI Configuration page?
And Integrated Preipherals?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User






 




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