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I'm using VIA's 4-in-1 (v4.37) drivers. I just tried the Add New Hardware wizard: - auto hardware detection did not find any new hardware - manual "system device" selection method did not list "Advanced Power Management support" Also, the Asus A7V133 User's Manual says the following: "IMPORTANT: Advanced Power Management (APM) should be installed to keep the system time updated when the computer enters suspend mode activated by the BIOS Power Management. For DOS environments, you need to add the statement, DEVICE=C:\DOS\POWER.EXE, to your CONFIG.SYS file. For Windows 3.x and Windows 95, you need to install Windows with the APM feature. For Windows 98 and later, APM is automatically installed. A battery and power cord icon labeled "Power Management" will appear in the "Control Panel." Choose "Advanced" in the Power Management Properties dialog box." So, apparently, APM is already installed in my case but there is no listing of "Advanced Power Management support" under "System devices" in "Device Manager". Also, comparing the Power Management Properties dialog of the two HDD/partition, I noticed that the "Advanced" tab is missing the "Prompt for password when computer goes off standby" checkbox. And, the "Power Schemes" tab is missing the "System standby" dropdown list in the "Settings for Always On power scheme" section. Is it possible that installing standby-related stuff may trigger the addition of "Advanced Power Management support" under "System devices" in "Device Manager". "glee" wrote in message ... The procedure for adding Advanced Power Management support in Device Manager is to use the Add New Hardware wizard to search for new hardware, and if it detects APM support, to allow it to install, and then reboot. However, you may not be able to detect it without installing the drivers on motherboard disc. What VIA drivers version number did you install? Have you tried other versions from the VIA support web site? -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Adam" wrote in message om... My responses are inline ... "Shepİ" wrote in message ... On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:54:50 GMT It was a dark and stormy night when "Spamotomy" wrote : Okay, I think I'm a little confused ... Must I have ACPI in order to have "Advanced Power Management support" ? In the "good" HDD/partition, there is no mention of ACPI under "System devices" but there is an "Advanced Power Management support" item, which is what I'm trying to replicate on the other HDD/partition You have mis-quoted. Mis-quoted? No, "Advanced Power Management support" is an item under "System devices" in "Device Manager". For ACPI to function correctly all hardware devices on the system must be ACPI compliant including the mother board. Their correct drivers must be correctly installed and the Windows Software ACPI must be installed e.g the Advanced Power Management Support as you post above. "Advanced Power Management support" is what I'm trying to find out how to install without depending on hardware detection since all the hardware is already there. If the option is there in the BIOS to enable/disable ACPI it must be enabled.Many Modern systems either have it hidden and set by default to,"On". Hmmm ... will I be able to enable ACPI without getting ACPI BIOS? If not, then I will be "back to square one" like you said. And, I don't want that. You may also need to re-install motherboard/mother board chip set drivers pack/s. Oh-no, trying to install VIA's 4-in-1 drivers caused the dreaded message: "Windows protection error. You need to restart your computer." After which, I can only boot into Safe mode but not into Normal mode. As for talk of,"Partitions" you are now confusing me :/ I use the BIOS to select the HDD (and thus, the boot partition) used for the boot process. By "HDD/partition", I mean the HDD (and thus, the boot partition) used to boot the system. -- Free Windows/PC help, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/trouble.html remove obvious to reply Free original songs to download and,"BURN" :O) http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/nomessiahsmusic.htm |
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On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:51:07 GMT It was a dark and stormy night when
"Adam" wrote : I'm using VIA's 4-in-1 (v4.37) drivers. I just tried the Add New Hardware wizard: - auto hardware detection did not find any new hardware - manual "system device" selection method did not list "Advanced Power Management support" Also, the Asus A7V133 User's Manual says the following: "IMPORTANT: Advanced Power Management (APM) should be installed to keep the system time updated when the computer enters suspend mode activated by the BIOS Power Management. For DOS environments, you need to add the statement, DEVICE=C:\DOS\POWER.EXE, to your CONFIG.SYS file. For Windows 3.x and Windows 95, you need to install Windows with the APM feature. For Windows 98 and later, APM is automatically installed. A battery and power cord icon labeled "Power Management" will appear in the "Control Panel." Choose "Advanced" in the Power Management Properties dialog box." So, apparently, APM is already installed in my case but there is no listing of "Advanced Power Management support" under "System devices" in "Device Manager". Also, comparing the Power Management Properties dialog of the two HDD/partition, I noticed that the "Advanced" tab is missing the "Prompt for password when computer goes off standby" checkbox. And, the "Power Schemes" tab is missing the "System standby" dropdown list in the "Settings for Always On power scheme" section. Is it possible that installing standby-related stuff may trigger the addition of "Advanced Power Management support" under "System devices" in "Device Manager". Possibly but you can also do a correct repair over-install as per, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/repair.html That should fix it but remember them to clean the Registry, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/freeprog.html HTH -- Free Windows/PC help, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/trouble.html remove obvious to reply Free original songs to download and,"BURN" :O) http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/nomessiahsmusic.htm |
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Usually, when the Stand-by options are missing it indicates that the machine does
not support stand-by mode, but you indicate that one of the two operating systems on the same machine does have the settings, so that does not appear to be the case here. See if anything here helps: Standby Missing From Windows Shutdown Dialog Box : http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=188134 -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Adam" wrote in message m... I'm using VIA's 4-in-1 (v4.37) drivers. I just tried the Add New Hardware wizard: - auto hardware detection did not find any new hardware - manual "system device" selection method did not list "Advanced Power Management support" Also, the Asus A7V133 User's Manual says the following: "IMPORTANT: Advanced Power Management (APM) should be installed to keep the system time updated when the computer enters suspend mode activated by the BIOS Power Management. For DOS environments, you need to add the statement, DEVICE=C:\DOS\POWER.EXE, to your CONFIG.SYS file. For Windows 3.x and Windows 95, you need to install Windows with the APM feature. For Windows 98 and later, APM is automatically installed. A battery and power cord icon labeled "Power Management" will appear in the "Control Panel." Choose "Advanced" in the Power Management Properties dialog box." So, apparently, APM is already installed in my case but there is no listing of "Advanced Power Management support" under "System devices" in "Device Manager". Also, comparing the Power Management Properties dialog of the two HDD/partition, I noticed that the "Advanced" tab is missing the "Prompt for password when computer goes off standby" checkbox. And, the "Power Schemes" tab is missing the "System standby" dropdown list in the "Settings for Always On power scheme" section. Is it possible that installing standby-related stuff may trigger the addition of "Advanced Power Management support" under "System devices" in "Device Manager". "glee" wrote in message ... The procedure for adding Advanced Power Management support in Device Manager is to use the Add New Hardware wizard to search for new hardware, and if it detects APM support, to allow it to install, and then reboot. However, you may not be able to detect it without installing the drivers on motherboard disc. What VIA drivers version number did you install? Have you tried other versions from the VIA support web site? -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Adam" wrote in message om... My responses are inline ... "Shepİ" wrote in message ... On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:54:50 GMT It was a dark and stormy night when "Spamotomy" wrote : Okay, I think I'm a little confused ... Must I have ACPI in order to have "Advanced Power Management support" ? In the "good" HDD/partition, there is no mention of ACPI under "System devices" but there is an "Advanced Power Management support" item, which is what I'm trying to replicate on the other HDD/partition You have mis-quoted. Mis-quoted? No, "Advanced Power Management support" is an item under "System devices" in "Device Manager". For ACPI to function correctly all hardware devices on the system must be ACPI compliant including the mother board. Their correct drivers must be correctly installed and the Windows Software ACPI must be installed e.g the Advanced Power Management Support as you post above. "Advanced Power Management support" is what I'm trying to find out how to install without depending on hardware detection since all the hardware is already there. If the option is there in the BIOS to enable/disable ACPI it must be enabled.Many Modern systems either have it hidden and set by default to,"On". Hmmm ... will I be able to enable ACPI without getting ACPI BIOS? If not, then I will be "back to square one" like you said. And, I don't want that. You may also need to re-install motherboard/mother board chip set drivers pack/s. Oh-no, trying to install VIA's 4-in-1 drivers caused the dreaded message: "Windows protection error. You need to restart your computer." After which, I can only boot into Safe mode but not into Normal mode. As for talk of,"Partitions" you are now confusing me :/ I use the BIOS to select the HDD (and thus, the boot partition) used for the boot process. By "HDD/partition", I mean the HDD (and thus, the boot partition) used to boot the system. -- Free Windows/PC help, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/trouble.html remove obvious to reply Free original songs to download and,"BURN" :O) http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/nomessiahsmusic.htm |
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One of the two operating systems came from an old system. The motherboard was upgraded but the "Suspend mode" was never enabled in the BIOS. I think this might explain why the Standby options are missing. I'll try enabling "Suspend mode" later to see if - "Advanced Power Management support" will be installed - the Standby options will appear "glee" wrote in message ... Usually, when the Stand-by options are missing it indicates that the machine does not support stand-by mode, but you indicate that one of the two operating systems on the same machine does have the settings, so that does not appear to be the case here. See if anything here helps: Standby Missing From Windows Shutdown Dialog Box : http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=188134 -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Adam" wrote in message m... I'm using VIA's 4-in-1 (v4.37) drivers. I just tried the Add New Hardware wizard: - auto hardware detection did not find any new hardware - manual "system device" selection method did not list "Advanced Power Management support" Also, the Asus A7V133 User's Manual says the following: "IMPORTANT: Advanced Power Management (APM) should be installed to keep the system time updated when the computer enters suspend mode activated by the BIOS Power Management. For DOS environments, you need to add the statement, DEVICE=C:\DOS\POWER.EXE, to your CONFIG.SYS file. For Windows 3.x and Windows 95, you need to install Windows with the APM feature. For Windows 98 and later, APM is automatically installed. A battery and power cord icon labeled "Power Management" will appear in the "Control Panel." Choose "Advanced" in the Power Management Properties dialog box." So, apparently, APM is already installed in my case but there is no listing of "Advanced Power Management support" under "System devices" in "Device Manager". Also, comparing the Power Management Properties dialog of the two HDD/partition, I noticed that the "Advanced" tab is missing the "Prompt for password when computer goes off standby" checkbox. And, the "Power Schemes" tab is missing the "System standby" dropdown list in the "Settings for Always On power scheme" section. Is it possible that installing standby-related stuff may trigger the addition of "Advanced Power Management support" under "System devices" in "Device Manager". "glee" wrote in message ... The procedure for adding Advanced Power Management support in Device Manager is to use the Add New Hardware wizard to search for new hardware, and if it detects APM support, to allow it to install, and then reboot. However, you may not be able to detect it without installing the drivers on motherboard disc. What VIA drivers version number did you install? Have you tried other versions from the VIA support web site? -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Adam" wrote in message om... My responses are inline ... "Shepİ" wrote in message ... On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:54:50 GMT It was a dark and stormy night when "Spamotomy" wrote : Okay, I think I'm a little confused ... Must I have ACPI in order to have "Advanced Power Management support" ? In the "good" HDD/partition, there is no mention of ACPI under "System devices" but there is an "Advanced Power Management support" item, which is what I'm trying to replicate on the other HDD/partition You have mis-quoted. Mis-quoted? No, "Advanced Power Management support" is an item under "System devices" in "Device Manager". For ACPI to function correctly all hardware devices on the system must be ACPI compliant including the mother board. Their correct drivers must be correctly installed and the Windows Software ACPI must be installed e.g the Advanced Power Management Support as you post above. "Advanced Power Management support" is what I'm trying to find out how to install without depending on hardware detection since all the hardware is already there. If the option is there in the BIOS to enable/disable ACPI it must be enabled.Many Modern systems either have it hidden and set by default to,"On". Hmmm ... will I be able to enable ACPI without getting ACPI BIOS? If not, then I will be "back to square one" like you said. And, I don't want that. You may also need to re-install motherboard/mother board chip set drivers pack/s. Oh-no, trying to install VIA's 4-in-1 drivers caused the dreaded message: "Windows protection error. You need to restart your computer." After which, I can only boot into Safe mode but not into Normal mode. As for talk of,"Partitions" you are now confusing me :/ I use the BIOS to select the HDD (and thus, the boot partition) used for the boot process. By "HDD/partition", I mean the HDD (and thus, the boot partition) used to boot the system. -- Free Windows/PC help, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/trouble.html remove obvious to reply Free original songs to download and,"BURN" :O) http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/nomessiahsmusic.htm |
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Yikes! Installing Win98SE over itself sounds too scary. "Shepİ" wrote in message ... On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:51:07 GMT It was a dark and stormy night when "Adam" wrote : I'm using VIA's 4-in-1 (v4.37) drivers. I just tried the Add New Hardware wizard: - auto hardware detection did not find any new hardware - manual "system device" selection method did not list "Advanced Power Management support" Also, the Asus A7V133 User's Manual says the following: "IMPORTANT: Advanced Power Management (APM) should be installed to keep the system time updated when the computer enters suspend mode activated by the BIOS Power Management. For DOS environments, you need to add the statement, DEVICE=C:\DOS\POWER.EXE, to your CONFIG.SYS file. For Windows 3.x and Windows 95, you need to install Windows with the APM feature. For Windows 98 and later, APM is automatically installed. A battery and power cord icon labeled "Power Management" will appear in the "Control Panel." Choose "Advanced" in the Power Management Properties dialog box." So, apparently, APM is already installed in my case but there is no listing of "Advanced Power Management support" under "System devices" in "Device Manager". Also, comparing the Power Management Properties dialog of the two HDD/partition, I noticed that the "Advanced" tab is missing the "Prompt for password when computer goes off standby" checkbox. And, the "Power Schemes" tab is missing the "System standby" dropdown list in the "Settings for Always On power scheme" section. Is it possible that installing standby-related stuff may trigger the addition of "Advanced Power Management support" under "System devices" in "Device Manager". Possibly but you can also do a correct repair over-install as per, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/repair.html That should fix it but remember them to clean the Registry, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/freeprog.html HTH -- Free Windows/PC help, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/trouble.html remove obvious to reply Free original songs to download and,"BURN" :O) http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/nomessiahsmusic.htm |
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If Adam's main problem is that the clock gets
messed up in "suspend" mode, then another less elegant solution is to get rid of suspend mode. If I'm doing something that must not be interrupted, like burning a data CD ROM, I classify "suspend" as being much like screen savers, more naughty than nice if you burn CDs. Does the software shut down actually (well, mostly) power off the computer? (Isn't that the "bare bones" of APM?) Is this part actually NOT working? Sure, the power management that powers down the hard disk, etc. might be nice for some applications... It sounds like Adam has two boot partitions, and one boots with APM and the other boots without it. How could two installs of W98 from the very same install CD disk on the very same machine give you such differences? (Was APM disabled in BIOS for 2nd install?) Were you trying to create a clean boot with a relatively clean registry, or did you consider CLONING the drive/partition? I'm not pretending I have all the answers but I hope my questions help lead to a resolution. I would tend to not discard Shep's idea that Advanced Power Management is best done by being detected during a full windows install. If you really do find a convenient way around that, I'd suspect that Shep would be as glad as anybody to learn a new trick. Why you're getting two different installs using two different drives(partitions) on the very same system is a point to ponder. |
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On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 03:55:27 GMT It was a dark and stormy night when
"Adam" wrote : Yikes! Installing Win98SE over itself sounds too scary. Nah.The win98SE setup.exe was one of the last good moves MS made.It's makes the system quite easy to repair so long as you remove nay updates to Internet Explorer first,over-install and then add them back -- Free Windows/PC help, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/trouble.html remove obvious to reply Free original songs to download and,"BURN" :O) http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/nomessiahsmusic.htm |
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I'm happy with the system now so I'll leave Win98SE over-install for another time. As they say ... if it ain't broke ... don't fix it. Thanks for your suggestions and web pages ... they were quite helpful, especially http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/acpi.html "Shepİ" wrote in message ... On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 03:55:27 GMT It was a dark and stormy night when "Adam" wrote : Yikes! Installing Win98SE over itself sounds too scary. Nah.The win98SE setup.exe was one of the last good moves MS made.It's makes the system quite easy to repair so long as you remove nay updates to Internet Explorer first,over-install and then add them back -- Free Windows/PC help, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/trouble.html remove obvious to reply Free original songs to download and,"BURN" :O) http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/nomessiahsmusic.htm |
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Thanks for your post ... the rest of my responses are inline ... "Greg Hanson" wrote in message om... If Adam's main problem is that the clock gets messed up in "suspend" mode, then another less elegant solution is to get rid of suspend mode. If I'm doing something that must not be interrupted, like burning a data CD ROM, I classify "suspend" as being much like screen savers, more naughty than nice if you burn CDs. I had no intention of leaving Suspend mode enabled for long ... just long enough to possibly trigger installation of "Advanced Power Management support" Does the software shut down actually (well, mostly) power off the computer? (Isn't that the "bare bones" of APM?) Is this part actually NOT working? It's working ... just doing an investigative comparison of two OS installations. Sure, the power management that powers down the hard disk, etc. might be nice for some applications... It sounds like Adam has two boot partitions, and one boots with APM and the other boots without it. How could two installs of W98 from the very same install CD disk on the very same machine give you such differences? No-no, the two boot partitions were not installed from the same CD. One HDD is from an old system that contains old software that I still need once in a while. I still have the MSDN disks for that system. (Was APM disabled in BIOS for 2nd install?) I don't recall. Were you trying to create a clean boot with a relatively clean registry, or did you consider CLONING the drive/partition? No cloning ... see my response above. I'm not pretending I have all the answers but I hope my questions help lead to a resolution. Thanks. I would tend to not discard Shep's idea that Advanced Power Management is best done by being detected during a full windows install. If you really do find a convenient way around that, I'd suspect that Shep would be as glad as anybody to learn a new trick. Why you're getting two different installs using two different drives (partitions) on the very same system is a point to ponder. Nothing to ponder really ... old software is hard to let go of. |
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