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CAN'T INSTALL BELKIN NIC DRIVERS
Okay, please keep us informed.
-- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "Sandy" wrote in message ... | Gosh... more stuff to think about! Thanks for that MEB. I'll have a go of | your suggestions over the week-end and see what happens. I'll come back to | you next week. See you then. | | Sandy. | | "MEB" wrote: | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | ... | | Morning MEB (it is for me!), | | | | Thanks for your reply... lots of stuff for me to get my head round! | | | | The only INF files I removed were the folders listed as Belkin & Broadcom, | | no others. | | Okay, that was important, we now can focus on other potentials. | | | | | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the technique | you | | used similar to this? | | | | Just printed this off - useful stuff here, thanks. Yes sort off in my | | fumbling way trying to muddle through. There are some extra steps I can | try | | but what is really useful is I can follow through in a logical sequence. | | However, looking at the points between steps 15 & 16 ( I was having | another | | go last night whilst waiting for this post), I noticed the card was not | | identified. However, I will go through Netgears' sequence now I've got it | & | | see what happens. | | Okay, if you look through some of those other links you'll note that has | also occurred to others ... regretfully you are also "being put through the | wringer" with your card. | | | | | Just been looking through the other links you suggested... perhaps I | should | | be grateful I've got a Belkin & not a Linksys! General theme seems to be | | change the card. Hmmm. Not convinced - yet. | | Well you have to remember that 98 was designed more for phone access, and | within a network [business/commercial] which was handled by IT or other | "experts". And these newer adapters are not designed for 98 or the older | NTs. Not that the drivers would be difficult to provide, but that the | manufacturer's programmers rely more upon Microsoft, and of course, the | necessary MS certification. Moreover, the programmers can no longer call | Microsoft to discuss issues that might occur in Microsoft's un-supported | OSs, so that leaves them as needing to actually know how to program. Look at | any of the newer devices and you find these same difficulties. | | | | | Yes, on your other point I did go into Safe Mode to remove the 'device' | | because you're right, previous experience on this ghosting anomaly can be | | quite revealing, all taking up valuable resources. | | Yes, that's always been important. Many later errors and issues can be | back-traced to these ghosts. | | | | | Finally, like I said when playing last night, I did remove all network | | protocols, clients et al. I must admit I can't remember if I closed down | | before re-installing them or not. Can a card's drivers be loaded before | the | | Network elements are put in or does the network clients/protocols have to | be | | in place first? | | Okay, make sure you shutdown before resetting the network. There is | potentially a DUN issue [yeah we scratch our heads on this one, dial-up, | huh, why would that effect a network adapter, but it IS part of the | network]. The card drivers can be added as soon as possible, you should have | had the Startup/New hardware found, ask for the drivers upon startup, which | then are supposed to install the necessary TCP/IP and other files. | One thing I have found, is having the CABS for 98 in | {drive}:\Windows\Options\CABS, seems to ease installation of most devices. | Just copy the Win98 folder and contents from the CD to that folder. | | One registry entry needs changed though, so installations look there rather | than asking for the CDROM: | --------- | REGEDIT4 | | [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup] | "SourcePath"="C:\\WINDOWS\\OPTIONS\\CABS\\" | | ----------- | This can be placed into a TEXT editor [including the blank line], saved as | option-source.reg, and merged. Modify that to your actual windows | directory/folder if necessary. | It works much better if it was done before the update process as any | updated files are/were copied/placed there as well, meaning you won't be | installing OLD outdated files from the CDROM. | | On installers generally: | Looking at a number of NEW installers, I note that they constantly check for | "administrator rights" [something necessary for NT] and NT files, and fail | to include the old variables for "if its not present then do" [that's not | the actual inclusions just what was done] which the OLD cross platform | installers included. | The cross platforms now being addressed are XP and the necessary VISTA | "special" envelope/requirements. | | Let us know how it goes... | | | | | Right! I better speak to the other guys now. Thanks for your help MEB. | | | | Cheers, | | | | Sandy. | -- | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | -- | _________ | | | | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | | | Let me put both together: | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | news | | | Hi MEB, | | | | | | Thanks for your response. I'll try to answer all your questions. | | | The Belkin drivers I tried were versions 1, 2.4, 3.2, 6 & 7. | | | I tried installing them by their installers and directly from their | INF | | | files (the latter wouldn't work at all!). | | | I cleaned up as best I could after each time by using the uninstaller, | | | device manager to remove the device deleting the inf folders under | | | | Did you make sure you didn't remove any you needed? I've done that | before. | | | | | Windows/inf/other and physically removing the card. I must admit to | | | forgetting to try MS cleanup utility. | | | It is Windows 98se and is as updated as it got prior to support being | | removed. | | | | Good, then at least that's not part of the issue. | | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | ... | | | To continue... | | | | | | It's a PCChips M571 socket 7 mobo (yes I know it's ancient but it's | served | | | me well for many years!), other PCI cards apart form the Belkin which | | | currently is in slot 1, is a NVidia GeForce MX400 in slot 2 and a | Rockwell | | | 56k modem (for FAX) in slot 3. There is just one ISA slot for a | | Soundblaster | | | card. | | | | | | Hope this helps. Many thanks for your time. | | | | It does, gives a chance to check the specs out. Several versions of the | | board [as well as several *manufacturers*] | | On board video and sound, no on board network. | | No need to explain about the age, I also have several dinosaurs here, | in | | fact I'm using a 440BX .board for this. | | The information I find suggest there were more slots, hmm. Franc Zabkar | did | | some extensive technical work concerning the board. Off subject anyway. | | | | As to the problem, it happens to be quite common with several net | adapters | | and SE: | | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the technique | you | | used similar to this? | | http://www.freelists.org/archives/pc.../msg00504.html | | http://forum.pcmech.com/archive/index.php/t-34610.html | | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search | | | | Some have found that by merely connecting the net card to a network [or | | modem/router], caused the install to mysteriously work..Others found | that | | changing the card [same] would then allow installation [like a bad card, | and | | yes there a new defectives]. | | | | I would ask if you went into SAFE MODE and made sure that there were no | | ghost entries from previous attempts? | | | | Sometimes its found that going into Control Panel NETWORK and | removing | | all entries [and of course re-setting it up after a shut down] would | then | | allow the installation. | | | | Wait and see what Gary comes up with though before you delete the | Network | | and start over. | | | | | | | | | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | | | Sorry, minds a little distant today... these might help if | answered. | | | What computer are we discussing, make and model. | | | Are there other adapters in the configuration [card or on-board]? | | | | | | -- | | | MEB | | | -- | | | _________ | | | | | | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message | | | ... | | | | What versions did you try, and how was the installation performed | [via | | | | installer or INF]? | | | | Did you clean-up after the failed installs, if not you may have | an | | INF | | | | error per the different software versions. | | | | | | | | Tried to find info on Belkin but couldn't get to the site. I did | find | | | many | | | | pages which claimed no issues with 98SE. Is that the OS version | you | | are | | | | using and is it fully updated?. | | | | | | | | -- | | | | MEB | | | | -- | | | | _________ | | | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | | | ... | | | | | I'm having trouble installing the drivers for a Belkin 54g | wireless | | | | network | | | | | card in 98se. I've been onto Belkin who have given me several | | versions | | | of | | | | | their drivers but it comes down to the same thing... "Error 1F6 | | Windows | | | | can't | | | | | install the driver for your device" (or similar words). Belkin | say | | at | | | | this | | | | | point that it's a bug with Win 98 and not really their problem. | Any | | | | ideas? | | | | | Thanks. | | -- | | MEB | | | | | |
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CAN'T INSTALL BELKIN NIC DRIVERS
Good morning MEB and everybody else!
OK some success. After going through the procedures we spoke about last week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized properly, yes the drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows says "there is a problem with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"! As if I didn't do that in the first place! I have to say I think that this final message would rather indicate a faulty card which may account for all the difficulties. What do you think? Regards, Sandy. "MEB" wrote: Okay, please keep us informed. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "Sandy" wrote in message ... | Gosh... more stuff to think about! Thanks for that MEB. I'll have a go of | your suggestions over the week-end and see what happens. I'll come back to | you next week. See you then. | | Sandy. | | "MEB" wrote: | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | ... | | Morning MEB (it is for me!), | | | | Thanks for your reply... lots of stuff for me to get my head round! | | | | The only INF files I removed were the folders listed as Belkin & Broadcom, | | no others. | | Okay, that was important, we now can focus on other potentials. | | | | | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the technique | you | | used similar to this? | | | | Just printed this off - useful stuff here, thanks. Yes sort off in my | | fumbling way trying to muddle through. There are some extra steps I can | try | | but what is really useful is I can follow through in a logical sequence. | | However, looking at the points between steps 15 & 16 ( I was having | another | | go last night whilst waiting for this post), I noticed the card was not | | identified. However, I will go through Netgears' sequence now I've got it | & | | see what happens. | | Okay, if you look through some of those other links you'll note that has | also occurred to others ... regretfully you are also "being put through the | wringer" with your card. | | | | | Just been looking through the other links you suggested... perhaps I | should | | be grateful I've got a Belkin & not a Linksys! General theme seems to be | | change the card. Hmmm. Not convinced - yet. | | Well you have to remember that 98 was designed more for phone access, and | within a network [business/commercial] which was handled by IT or other | "experts". And these newer adapters are not designed for 98 or the older | NTs. Not that the drivers would be difficult to provide, but that the | manufacturer's programmers rely more upon Microsoft, and of course, the | necessary MS certification. Moreover, the programmers can no longer call | Microsoft to discuss issues that might occur in Microsoft's un-supported | OSs, so that leaves them as needing to actually know how to program. Look at | any of the newer devices and you find these same difficulties. | | | | | Yes, on your other point I did go into Safe Mode to remove the 'device' | | because you're right, previous experience on this ghosting anomaly can be | | quite revealing, all taking up valuable resources. | | Yes, that's always been important. Many later errors and issues can be | back-traced to these ghosts. | | | | | Finally, like I said when playing last night, I did remove all network | | protocols, clients et al. I must admit I can't remember if I closed down | | before re-installing them or not. Can a card's drivers be loaded before | the | | Network elements are put in or does the network clients/protocols have to | be | | in place first? | | Okay, make sure you shutdown before resetting the network. There is | potentially a DUN issue [yeah we scratch our heads on this one, dial-up, | huh, why would that effect a network adapter, but it IS part of the | network]. The card drivers can be added as soon as possible, you should have | had the Startup/New hardware found, ask for the drivers upon startup, which | then are supposed to install the necessary TCP/IP and other files. | One thing I have found, is having the CABS for 98 in | {drive}:\Windows\Options\CABS, seems to ease installation of most devices. | Just copy the Win98 folder and contents from the CD to that folder. | | One registry entry needs changed though, so installations look there rather | than asking for the CDROM: | --------- | REGEDIT4 | | [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup] | "SourcePath"="C:\\WINDOWS\\OPTIONS\\CABS\\" | | ----------- | This can be placed into a TEXT editor [including the blank line], saved as | option-source.reg, and merged. Modify that to your actual windows | directory/folder if necessary. | It works much better if it was done before the update process as any | updated files are/were copied/placed there as well, meaning you won't be | installing OLD outdated files from the CDROM. | | On installers generally: | Looking at a number of NEW installers, I note that they constantly check for | "administrator rights" [something necessary for NT] and NT files, and fail | to include the old variables for "if its not present then do" [that's not | the actual inclusions just what was done] which the OLD cross platform | installers included. | The cross platforms now being addressed are XP and the necessary VISTA | "special" envelope/requirements. | | Let us know how it goes... | | | | | Right! I better speak to the other guys now. Thanks for your help MEB. | | | | Cheers, | | | | Sandy. | -- | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | -- | _________ | | | | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | | | Let me put both together: | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | news | | | Hi MEB, | | | | | | Thanks for your response. I'll try to answer all your questions. | | | The Belkin drivers I tried were versions 1, 2.4, 3.2, 6 & 7. | | | I tried installing them by their installers and directly from their | INF | | | files (the latter wouldn't work at all!). | | | I cleaned up as best I could after each time by using the uninstaller, | | | device manager to remove the device deleting the inf folders under | | | | Did you make sure you didn't remove any you needed? I've done that | before. | | | | | Windows/inf/other and physically removing the card. I must admit to | | | forgetting to try MS cleanup utility. | | | It is Windows 98se and is as updated as it got prior to support being | | removed. | | | | Good, then at least that's not part of the issue. | | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | ... | | | To continue... | | | | | | It's a PCChips M571 socket 7 mobo (yes I know it's ancient but it's | served | | | me well for many years!), other PCI cards apart form the Belkin which | | | currently is in slot 1, is a NVidia GeForce MX400 in slot 2 and a | Rockwell | | | 56k modem (for FAX) in slot 3. There is just one ISA slot for a | | Soundblaster | | | card. | | | | | | Hope this helps. Many thanks for your time. | | | | It does, gives a chance to check the specs out. Several versions of the | | board [as well as several *manufacturers*] | | On board video and sound, no on board network. | | No need to explain about the age, I also have several dinosaurs here, | in | | fact I'm using a 440BX .board for this. | | The information I find suggest there were more slots, hmm. Franc Zabkar | did | | some extensive technical work concerning the board. Off subject anyway. | | | | As to the problem, it happens to be quite common with several net | adapters | | and SE: | | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the technique | you | | used similar to this? | | http://www.freelists.org/archives/pc.../msg00504.html | | http://forum.pcmech.com/archive/index.php/t-34610.html | | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search | | | | Some have found that by merely connecting the net card to a network [or | | modem/router], caused the install to mysteriously work..Others found | that | | changing the card [same] would then allow installation [like a bad card, | and | | yes there a new defectives]. | | | | I would ask if you went into SAFE MODE and made sure that there were no | | ghost entries from previous attempts? | | | | Sometimes its found that going into Control Panel NETWORK and | removing | | all entries [and of course re-setting it up after a shut down] would | then | | allow the installation. | | | | Wait and see what Gary comes up with though before you delete the | Network | | and start over. | | | | | | | | | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | | | Sorry, minds a little distant today... these might help if | answered. | | | What computer are we discussing, make and model. | | | Are there other adapters in the configuration [card or on-board]? | | | | | | -- | | | MEB | | | -- | | | _________ | | | | | | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message | | | ... | | | | What versions did you try, and how was the installation performed | [via | | | | installer or INF]? | | | | Did you clean-up after the failed installs, if not you may have | an | | INF | | | | error per the different software versions. | | | | | | | | Tried to find info on Belkin but couldn't get to the site. I did | find | | | many | | | | pages which claimed no issues with 98SE. Is that the OS version | you | | are | | | | using and is it fully updated?. | | | | | | | | -- | | | | MEB | | | | -- | | | | _________ | | | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | | | ... | | | | | I'm having trouble installing the drivers for a Belkin 54g |
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CAN'T INSTALL BELKIN NIC DRIVERS
Good morning MEB and everybody else!
OK some success. After going through the procedures we spoke about last week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized properly, yes the drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows says "there is a problem with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"! As if I didn't do that in the first place! I have to say I think that this final message would rather indicate a faulty card which may account for all the difficulties. What do you think? Regards, Sandy. "MEB" wrote: Okay, please keep us informed. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "Sandy" wrote in message ... | Gosh... more stuff to think about! Thanks for that MEB. I'll have a go of | your suggestions over the week-end and see what happens. I'll come back to | you next week. See you then. | | Sandy. | | "MEB" wrote: | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | ... | | Morning MEB (it is for me!), | | | | Thanks for your reply... lots of stuff for me to get my head round! | | | | The only INF files I removed were the folders listed as Belkin & Broadcom, | | no others. | | Okay, that was important, we now can focus on other potentials. | | | | | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the technique | you | | used similar to this? | | | | Just printed this off - useful stuff here, thanks. Yes sort off in my | | fumbling way trying to muddle through. There are some extra steps I can | try | | but what is really useful is I can follow through in a logical sequence. | | However, looking at the points between steps 15 & 16 ( I was having | another | | go last night whilst waiting for this post), I noticed the card was not | | identified. However, I will go through Netgears' sequence now I've got it | & | | see what happens. | | Okay, if you look through some of those other links you'll note that has | also occurred to others ... regretfully you are also "being put through the | wringer" with your card. | | | | | Just been looking through the other links you suggested... perhaps I | should | | be grateful I've got a Belkin & not a Linksys! General theme seems to be | | change the card. Hmmm. Not convinced - yet. | | Well you have to remember that 98 was designed more for phone access, and | within a network [business/commercial] which was handled by IT or other | "experts". And these newer adapters are not designed for 98 or the older | NTs. Not that the drivers would be difficult to provide, but that the | manufacturer's programmers rely more upon Microsoft, and of course, the | necessary MS certification. Moreover, the programmers can no longer call | Microsoft to discuss issues that might occur in Microsoft's un-supported | OSs, so that leaves them as needing to actually know how to program. Look at | any of the newer devices and you find these same difficulties. | | | | | Yes, on your other point I did go into Safe Mode to remove the 'device' | | because you're right, previous experience on this ghosting anomaly can be | | quite revealing, all taking up valuable resources. | | Yes, that's always been important. Many later errors and issues can be | back-traced to these ghosts. | | | | | Finally, like I said when playing last night, I did remove all network | | protocols, clients et al. I must admit I can't remember if I closed down | | before re-installing them or not. Can a card's drivers be loaded before | the | | Network elements are put in or does the network clients/protocols have to | be | | in place first? | | Okay, make sure you shutdown before resetting the network. There is | potentially a DUN issue [yeah we scratch our heads on this one, dial-up, | huh, why would that effect a network adapter, but it IS part of the | network]. The card drivers can be added as soon as possible, you should have | had the Startup/New hardware found, ask for the drivers upon startup, which | then are supposed to install the necessary TCP/IP and other files. | One thing I have found, is having the CABS for 98 in | {drive}:\Windows\Options\CABS, seems to ease installation of most devices. | Just copy the Win98 folder and contents from the CD to that folder. | | One registry entry needs changed though, so installations look there rather | than asking for the CDROM: | --------- | REGEDIT4 | | [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup] | "SourcePath"="C:\\WINDOWS\\OPTIONS\\CABS\\" | | ----------- | This can be placed into a TEXT editor [including the blank line], saved as | option-source.reg, and merged. Modify that to your actual windows | directory/folder if necessary. | It works much better if it was done before the update process as any | updated files are/were copied/placed there as well, meaning you won't be | installing OLD outdated files from the CDROM. | | On installers generally: | Looking at a number of NEW installers, I note that they constantly check for | "administrator rights" [something necessary for NT] and NT files, and fail | to include the old variables for "if its not present then do" [that's not | the actual inclusions just what was done] which the OLD cross platform | installers included. | The cross platforms now being addressed are XP and the necessary VISTA | "special" envelope/requirements. | | Let us know how it goes... | | | | | Right! I better speak to the other guys now. Thanks for your help MEB. | | | | Cheers, | | | | Sandy. | -- | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | -- | _________ | | | | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | | | Let me put both together: | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | news | | | Hi MEB, | | | | | | Thanks for your response. I'll try to answer all your questions. | | | The Belkin drivers I tried were versions 1, 2.4, 3.2, 6 & 7. | | | I tried installing them by their installers and directly from their | INF | | | files (the latter wouldn't work at all!). | | | I cleaned up as best I could after each time by using the uninstaller, | | | device manager to remove the device deleting the inf folders under | | | | Did you make sure you didn't remove any you needed? I've done that | before. | | | | | Windows/inf/other and physically removing the card. I must admit to | | | forgetting to try MS cleanup utility. | | | It is Windows 98se and is as updated as it got prior to support being | | removed. | | | | Good, then at least that's not part of the issue. | | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | ... | | | To continue... | | | | | | It's a PCChips M571 socket 7 mobo (yes I know it's ancient but it's | served | | | me well for many years!), other PCI cards apart form the Belkin which | | | currently is in slot 1, is a NVidia GeForce MX400 in slot 2 and a | Rockwell | | | 56k modem (for FAX) in slot 3. There is just one ISA slot for a | | Soundblaster | | | card. | | | | | | Hope this helps. Many thanks for your time. | | | | It does, gives a chance to check the specs out. Several versions of the | | board [as well as several *manufacturers*] | | On board video and sound, no on board network. | | No need to explain about the age, I also have several dinosaurs here, | in | | fact I'm using a 440BX .board for this. | | The information I find suggest there were more slots, hmm. Franc Zabkar | did | | some extensive technical work concerning the board. Off subject anyway. | | | | As to the problem, it happens to be quite common with several net | adapters | | and SE: | | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the technique | you | | used similar to this? | | http://www.freelists.org/archives/pc.../msg00504.html | | http://forum.pcmech.com/archive/index.php/t-34610.html | | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search | | | | Some have found that by merely connecting the net card to a network [or | | modem/router], caused the install to mysteriously work..Others found | that | | changing the card [same] would then allow installation [like a bad card, | and | | yes there a new defectives]. | | | | I would ask if you went into SAFE MODE and made sure that there were no | | ghost entries from previous attempts? | | | | Sometimes its found that going into Control Panel NETWORK and | removing | | all entries [and of course re-setting it up after a shut down] would | then | | allow the installation. | | | | Wait and see what Gary comes up with though before you delete the | Network | | and start over. | | | | | | | | | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | | | Sorry, minds a little distant today... these might help if | answered. | | | What computer are we discussing, make and model. | | | Are there other adapters in the configuration [card or on-board]? | | | | | | -- | | | MEB | | | -- | | | _________ | | | | | | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message | | | ... | | | | What versions did you try, and how was the installation performed | [via | | | | installer or INF]? | | | | Did you clean-up after the failed installs, if not you may have | an | | INF | | | | error per the different software versions. | | | | | | | | Tried to find info on Belkin but couldn't get to the site. I did | find | | | many | | | | pages which claimed no issues with 98SE. Is that the OS version | you | | are | | | | using and is it fully updated?. | | | | | | | | -- | | | | MEB | | | | -- | | | | _________ | | | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | | | ... | | | | | I'm having trouble installing the drivers for a Belkin 54g |
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"Sandy" wrote in message ... | Good morning MEB and everybody else! | | OK some success. After going through the procedures we spoke about last | week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized properly, yes the | drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows says "there is a problem | with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"! As if I didn't do | that in the first place! | | I have to say I think that this final message would rather indicate a faulty | card which may account for all the difficulties. What do you think? | | Regards, Sandy. | What is the EXACT error message and what is now shown in Control Panel Network. {NIC adapter {Belkin 54g wireless}} What you're looking for is TCP/IP set for Obtain IP automatically, no Gateway, no WINS, and other *INITIALLY*. HOWEVER, as this is part of a wireless network, the rest of the network must be found. RUN * winipcfg * in the Start RUN box. What is the address for your base unit/wireless router? Here's a general network diagnostic/setup page: http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/re...NETWORKING.htm -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ | "MEB" wrote: | | Okay, please keep us informed. | | -- | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | -- | _________ | | "Sandy" wrote in message | ... | | Gosh... more stuff to think about! Thanks for that MEB. I'll have a go | of | | your suggestions over the week-end and see what happens. I'll come back | to | | you next week. See you then. | | | | Sandy. | | | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | ... | | | Morning MEB (it is for me!), | | | | | | Thanks for your reply... lots of stuff for me to get my head round! | | | | | | The only INF files I removed were the folders listed as Belkin & | Broadcom, | | | no others. | | | | Okay, that was important, we now can focus on other potentials. | | | | | | | | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the | technique | | you | | | used similar to this? | | | | | | Just printed this off - useful stuff here, thanks. Yes sort off in my | | | fumbling way trying to muddle through. There are some extra steps I | can | | try | | | but what is really useful is I can follow through in a logical | sequence. | | | However, looking at the points between steps 15 & 16 ( I was having | | another | | | go last night whilst waiting for this post), I noticed the card was | not | | | identified. However, I will go through Netgears' sequence now I've | got it | | & | | | see what happens. | | | | Okay, if you look through some of those other links you'll note that | has | | also occurred to others ... regretfully you are also "being put through | the | | wringer" with your card. | | | | | | | | Just been looking through the other links you suggested... perhaps I | | should | | | be grateful I've got a Belkin & not a Linksys! General theme seems to | be | | | change the card. Hmmm. Not convinced - yet. | | | | Well you have to remember that 98 was designed more for phone access, | and | | within a network [business/commercial] which was handled by IT or other | | "experts". And these newer adapters are not designed for 98 or the older | | NTs. Not that the drivers would be difficult to provide, but that the | | manufacturer's programmers rely more upon Microsoft, and of course, the | | necessary MS certification. Moreover, the programmers can no longer call | | Microsoft to discuss issues that might occur in Microsoft's un-supported | | OSs, so that leaves them as needing to actually know how to program. | Look at | | any of the newer devices and you find these same difficulties. | | | | | | | | Yes, on your other point I did go into Safe Mode to remove the | 'device' | | | because you're right, previous experience on this ghosting anomaly can | be | | | quite revealing, all taking up valuable resources. | | | | Yes, that's always been important. Many later errors and issues can be | | back-traced to these ghosts. | | | | | | | | Finally, like I said when playing last night, I did remove all network | | | protocols, clients et al. I must admit I can't remember if I closed | down | | | before re-installing them or not. Can a card's drivers be loaded | before | | the | | | Network elements are put in or does the network clients/protocols have | to | | be | | | in place first? | | | | Okay, make sure you shutdown before resetting the network. There is | | potentially a DUN issue [yeah we scratch our heads on this one, dial-up, | | huh, why would that effect a network adapter, but it IS part of the | | network]. The card drivers can be added as soon as possible, you should | have | | had the Startup/New hardware found, ask for the drivers upon startup, | which | | then are supposed to install the necessary TCP/IP and other files. | | One thing I have found, is having the CABS for 98 in | | {drive}:\Windows\Options\CABS, seems to ease installation of most | devices. | | Just copy the Win98 folder and contents from the CD to that folder. | | | | One registry entry needs changed though, so installations look there | rather | | than asking for the CDROM: | | --------- | | REGEDIT4 | | | | [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup] | | "SourcePath"="C:\\WINDOWS\\OPTIONS\\CABS\\" | | | | ----------- | | This can be placed into a TEXT editor [including the blank line], saved | as | | option-source.reg, and merged. Modify that to your actual windows | | directory/folder if necessary. | | It works much better if it was done before the update process as any | | updated files are/were copied/placed there as well, meaning you won't be | | installing OLD outdated files from the CDROM. | | | | On installers generally: | | Looking at a number of NEW installers, I note that they constantly check | for | | "administrator rights" [something necessary for NT] and NT files, and | fail | | to include the old variables for "if its not present then do" [that's | not | | the actual inclusions just what was done] which the OLD cross platform | | installers included. | | The cross platforms now being addressed are XP and the necessary VISTA | | "special" envelope/requirements. | | | | Let us know how it goes... | | | | | | | | Right! I better speak to the other guys now. Thanks for your help | MEB. | | | | | | Cheers, | | | | | | Sandy. | | -- | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | | -- | | _________ | | | | | | | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | | | | | | Let me put both together: | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | | news | | | | Hi MEB, | | | | | | | | Thanks for your response. I'll try to answer all your questions. | | | | The Belkin drivers I tried were versions 1, 2.4, 3.2, 6 & 7. | | | | I tried installing them by their installers and directly from | their | | INF | | | | files (the latter wouldn't work at all!). | | | | I cleaned up as best I could after each time by using the | uninstaller, | | | | device manager to remove the device deleting the inf folders under | | | | | | Did you make sure you didn't remove any you needed? I've done that | | before. | | | | | | | Windows/inf/other and physically removing the card. I must admit | to | | | | forgetting to try MS cleanup utility. | | | | It is Windows 98se and is as updated as it got prior to support | being | | | removed. | | | | | | Good, then at least that's not part of the issue. | | | | | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | | ... | | | | To continue... | | | | | | | | It's a PCChips M571 socket 7 mobo (yes I know it's ancient but | it's | | served | | | | me well for many years!), other PCI cards apart form the Belkin | which | | | | currently is in slot 1, is a NVidia GeForce MX400 in slot 2 and a | | Rockwell | | | | 56k modem (for FAX) in slot 3. There is just one ISA slot for a | | | Soundblaster | | | | card. | | | | | | | | Hope this helps. Many thanks for your time. | | | | | | It does, gives a chance to check the specs out. Several versions of | the | | | board [as well as several *manufacturers*] | | | On board video and sound, no on board network. | | | No need to explain about the age, I also have several dinosaurs | here, | | in | | | fact I'm using a 440BX .board for this. | | | The information I find suggest there were more slots, hmm. Franc | Zabkar | | did | | | some extensive technical work concerning the board. Off subject | anyway. | | | | | | As to the problem, it happens to be quite common with several net | | adapters | | | and SE: | | | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the | technique | | you | | | used similar to this? | | | http://www.freelists.org/archives/pc.../msg00504.html | | | http://forum.pcmech.com/archive/index.php/t-34610.html | | | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search | | | | | | Some have found that by merely connecting the net card to a network | [or | | | modem/router], caused the install to mysteriously work..Others found | | that | | | changing the card [same] would then allow installation [like a bad | card, | | and | | | yes there a new defectives]. | | | | | | I would ask if you went into SAFE MODE and made sure that there | were no | | | ghost entries from previous attempts? | | | | | | Sometimes its found that going into Control Panel NETWORK and | | removing | | | all entries [and of course re-setting it up after a shut down] would | | then | | | allow the installation. | | | | | | Wait and see what Gary comes up with though before you delete the | | Network | | | and start over. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | | | | | Sorry, minds a little distant today... these might help if | | answered. | | | | What computer are we discussing, make and model. | | | | Are there other adapters in the configuration [card or | on-board]? | | | | | | | | -- | | | | MEB | | | | -- | | | | _________ | | | | | | | | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message | | | | ... | | | | | What versions did you try, and how was the installation | performed | | [via | | | | | installer or INF]? | | | | | Did you clean-up after the failed installs, if not you may | have | | an | | | INF | | | | | error per the different software versions. | | | | | | | | | | Tried to find info on Belkin but couldn't get to the site. I | did | | find | | | | many | | | | | pages which claimed no issues with 98SE. Is that the OS | version | | you | | | are | | | | | using and is it fully updated?. | | | | | | | | | | -- | | | | | MEB | | | | | -- | | | | | _________ | | | | | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | | | | ... | | | | | | I'm having trouble installing the drivers for a Belkin 54g |
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"Sandy" wrote in message ... | Good morning MEB and everybody else! | | OK some success. After going through the procedures we spoke about last | week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized properly, yes the | drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows says "there is a problem | with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"! As if I didn't do | that in the first place! | | I have to say I think that this final message would rather indicate a faulty | card which may account for all the difficulties. What do you think? | | Regards, Sandy. | What is the EXACT error message and what is now shown in Control Panel Network. {NIC adapter {Belkin 54g wireless}} What you're looking for is TCP/IP set for Obtain IP automatically, no Gateway, no WINS, and other *INITIALLY*. HOWEVER, as this is part of a wireless network, the rest of the network must be found. RUN * winipcfg * in the Start RUN box. What is the address for your base unit/wireless router? Here's a general network diagnostic/setup page: http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/re...NETWORKING.htm -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ | "MEB" wrote: | | Okay, please keep us informed. | | -- | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | -- | _________ | | "Sandy" wrote in message | ... | | Gosh... more stuff to think about! Thanks for that MEB. I'll have a go | of | | your suggestions over the week-end and see what happens. I'll come back | to | | you next week. See you then. | | | | Sandy. | | | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | ... | | | Morning MEB (it is for me!), | | | | | | Thanks for your reply... lots of stuff for me to get my head round! | | | | | | The only INF files I removed were the folders listed as Belkin & | Broadcom, | | | no others. | | | | Okay, that was important, we now can focus on other potentials. | | | | | | | | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the | technique | | you | | | used similar to this? | | | | | | Just printed this off - useful stuff here, thanks. Yes sort off in my | | | fumbling way trying to muddle through. There are some extra steps I | can | | try | | | but what is really useful is I can follow through in a logical | sequence. | | | However, looking at the points between steps 15 & 16 ( I was having | | another | | | go last night whilst waiting for this post), I noticed the card was | not | | | identified. However, I will go through Netgears' sequence now I've | got it | | & | | | see what happens. | | | | Okay, if you look through some of those other links you'll note that | has | | also occurred to others ... regretfully you are also "being put through | the | | wringer" with your card. | | | | | | | | Just been looking through the other links you suggested... perhaps I | | should | | | be grateful I've got a Belkin & not a Linksys! General theme seems to | be | | | change the card. Hmmm. Not convinced - yet. | | | | Well you have to remember that 98 was designed more for phone access, | and | | within a network [business/commercial] which was handled by IT or other | | "experts". And these newer adapters are not designed for 98 or the older | | NTs. Not that the drivers would be difficult to provide, but that the | | manufacturer's programmers rely more upon Microsoft, and of course, the | | necessary MS certification. Moreover, the programmers can no longer call | | Microsoft to discuss issues that might occur in Microsoft's un-supported | | OSs, so that leaves them as needing to actually know how to program. | Look at | | any of the newer devices and you find these same difficulties. | | | | | | | | Yes, on your other point I did go into Safe Mode to remove the | 'device' | | | because you're right, previous experience on this ghosting anomaly can | be | | | quite revealing, all taking up valuable resources. | | | | Yes, that's always been important. Many later errors and issues can be | | back-traced to these ghosts. | | | | | | | | Finally, like I said when playing last night, I did remove all network | | | protocols, clients et al. I must admit I can't remember if I closed | down | | | before re-installing them or not. Can a card's drivers be loaded | before | | the | | | Network elements are put in or does the network clients/protocols have | to | | be | | | in place first? | | | | Okay, make sure you shutdown before resetting the network. There is | | potentially a DUN issue [yeah we scratch our heads on this one, dial-up, | | huh, why would that effect a network adapter, but it IS part of the | | network]. The card drivers can be added as soon as possible, you should | have | | had the Startup/New hardware found, ask for the drivers upon startup, | which | | then are supposed to install the necessary TCP/IP and other files. | | One thing I have found, is having the CABS for 98 in | | {drive}:\Windows\Options\CABS, seems to ease installation of most | devices. | | Just copy the Win98 folder and contents from the CD to that folder. | | | | One registry entry needs changed though, so installations look there | rather | | than asking for the CDROM: | | --------- | | REGEDIT4 | | | | [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup] | | "SourcePath"="C:\\WINDOWS\\OPTIONS\\CABS\\" | | | | ----------- | | This can be placed into a TEXT editor [including the blank line], saved | as | | option-source.reg, and merged. Modify that to your actual windows | | directory/folder if necessary. | | It works much better if it was done before the update process as any | | updated files are/were copied/placed there as well, meaning you won't be | | installing OLD outdated files from the CDROM. | | | | On installers generally: | | Looking at a number of NEW installers, I note that they constantly check | for | | "administrator rights" [something necessary for NT] and NT files, and | fail | | to include the old variables for "if its not present then do" [that's | not | | the actual inclusions just what was done] which the OLD cross platform | | installers included. | | The cross platforms now being addressed are XP and the necessary VISTA | | "special" envelope/requirements. | | | | Let us know how it goes... | | | | | | | | Right! I better speak to the other guys now. Thanks for your help | MEB. | | | | | | Cheers, | | | | | | Sandy. | | -- | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | | -- | | _________ | | | | | | | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | | | | | | Let me put both together: | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | | news | | | | Hi MEB, | | | | | | | | Thanks for your response. I'll try to answer all your questions. | | | | The Belkin drivers I tried were versions 1, 2.4, 3.2, 6 & 7. | | | | I tried installing them by their installers and directly from | their | | INF | | | | files (the latter wouldn't work at all!). | | | | I cleaned up as best I could after each time by using the | uninstaller, | | | | device manager to remove the device deleting the inf folders under | | | | | | Did you make sure you didn't remove any you needed? I've done that | | before. | | | | | | | Windows/inf/other and physically removing the card. I must admit | to | | | | forgetting to try MS cleanup utility. | | | | It is Windows 98se and is as updated as it got prior to support | being | | | removed. | | | | | | Good, then at least that's not part of the issue. | | | | | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | | ... | | | | To continue... | | | | | | | | It's a PCChips M571 socket 7 mobo (yes I know it's ancient but | it's | | served | | | | me well for many years!), other PCI cards apart form the Belkin | which | | | | currently is in slot 1, is a NVidia GeForce MX400 in slot 2 and a | | Rockwell | | | | 56k modem (for FAX) in slot 3. There is just one ISA slot for a | | | Soundblaster | | | | card. | | | | | | | | Hope this helps. Many thanks for your time. | | | | | | It does, gives a chance to check the specs out. Several versions of | the | | | board [as well as several *manufacturers*] | | | On board video and sound, no on board network. | | | No need to explain about the age, I also have several dinosaurs | here, | | in | | | fact I'm using a 440BX .board for this. | | | The information I find suggest there were more slots, hmm. Franc | Zabkar | | did | | | some extensive technical work concerning the board. Off subject | anyway. | | | | | | As to the problem, it happens to be quite common with several net | | adapters | | | and SE: | | | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the | technique | | you | | | used similar to this? | | | http://www.freelists.org/archives/pc.../msg00504.html | | | http://forum.pcmech.com/archive/index.php/t-34610.html | | | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search | | | | | | Some have found that by merely connecting the net card to a network | [or | | | modem/router], caused the install to mysteriously work..Others found | | that | | | changing the card [same] would then allow installation [like a bad | card, | | and | | | yes there a new defectives]. | | | | | | I would ask if you went into SAFE MODE and made sure that there | were no | | | ghost entries from previous attempts? | | | | | | Sometimes its found that going into Control Panel NETWORK and | | removing | | | all entries [and of course re-setting it up after a shut down] would | | then | | | allow the installation. | | | | | | Wait and see what Gary comes up with though before you delete the | | Network | | | and start over. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | | | | | Sorry, minds a little distant today... these might help if | | answered. | | | | What computer are we discussing, make and model. | | | | Are there other adapters in the configuration [card or | on-board]? | | | | | | | | -- | | | | MEB | | | | -- | | | | _________ | | | | | | | | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message | | | | ... | | | | | What versions did you try, and how was the installation | performed | | [via | | | | | installer or INF]? | | | | | Did you clean-up after the failed installs, if not you may | have | | an | | | INF | | | | | error per the different software versions. | | | | | | | | | | Tried to find info on Belkin but couldn't get to the site. I | did | | find | | | | many | | | | | pages which claimed no issues with 98SE. Is that the OS | version | | you | | | are | | | | | using and is it fully updated?. | | | | | | | | | | -- | | | | | MEB | | | | | -- | | | | | _________ | | | | | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | | | | ... | | | | | | I'm having trouble installing the drivers for a Belkin 54g |
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Hi MEB,
Gosh! You've given me a lot to look at & explore. Give me some time to study all this and then I'll come back to you. Thanks. All the best, Sandy. "MEB" wrote: "Sandy" wrote in message ... | Good morning MEB and everybody else! | | OK some success. After going through the procedures we spoke about last | week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized properly, yes the | drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows says "there is a problem | with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"! As if I didn't do | that in the first place! | | I have to say I think that this final message would rather indicate a faulty | card which may account for all the difficulties. What do you think? | | Regards, Sandy. | What is the EXACT error message and what is now shown in Control Panel Network. {NIC adapter {Belkin 54g wireless}} What you're looking for is TCP/IP set for Obtain IP automatically, no Gateway, no WINS, and other *INITIALLY*. HOWEVER, as this is part of a wireless network, the rest of the network must be found. RUN * winipcfg * in the Start RUN box. What is the address for your base unit/wireless router? Here's a general network diagnostic/setup page: http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/re...NETWORKING.htm -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ | "MEB" wrote: | | Okay, please keep us informed. | | -- | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | -- | _________ | | "Sandy" wrote in message | ... | | Gosh... more stuff to think about! Thanks for that MEB. I'll have a go | of | | your suggestions over the week-end and see what happens. I'll come back | to | | you next week. See you then. | | | | Sandy. | | | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | ... | | | Morning MEB (it is for me!), | | | | | | Thanks for your reply... lots of stuff for me to get my head round! | | | | | | The only INF files I removed were the folders listed as Belkin & | Broadcom, | | | no others. | | | | Okay, that was important, we now can focus on other potentials. | | | | | | | | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the | technique | | you | | | used similar to this? | | | | | | Just printed this off - useful stuff here, thanks. Yes sort off in my | | | fumbling way trying to muddle through. There are some extra steps I | can | | try | | | but what is really useful is I can follow through in a logical | sequence. | | | However, looking at the points between steps 15 & 16 ( I was having | | another | | | go last night whilst waiting for this post), I noticed the card was | not | | | identified. However, I will go through Netgears' sequence now I've | got it | | & | | | see what happens. | | | | Okay, if you look through some of those other links you'll note that | has | | also occurred to others ... regretfully you are also "being put through | the | | wringer" with your card. | | | | | | | | Just been looking through the other links you suggested... perhaps I | | should | | | be grateful I've got a Belkin & not a Linksys! General theme seems to | be | | | change the card. Hmmm. Not convinced - yet. | | | | Well you have to remember that 98 was designed more for phone access, | and | | within a network [business/commercial] which was handled by IT or other | | "experts". And these newer adapters are not designed for 98 or the older | | NTs. Not that the drivers would be difficult to provide, but that the | | manufacturer's programmers rely more upon Microsoft, and of course, the | | necessary MS certification. Moreover, the programmers can no longer call | | Microsoft to discuss issues that might occur in Microsoft's un-supported | | OSs, so that leaves them as needing to actually know how to program. | Look at | | any of the newer devices and you find these same difficulties. | | | | | | | | Yes, on your other point I did go into Safe Mode to remove the | 'device' | | | because you're right, previous experience on this ghosting anomaly can | be | | | quite revealing, all taking up valuable resources. | | | | Yes, that's always been important. Many later errors and issues can be | | back-traced to these ghosts. | | | | | | | | Finally, like I said when playing last night, I did remove all network | | | protocols, clients et al. I must admit I can't remember if I closed | down | | | before re-installing them or not. Can a card's drivers be loaded | before | | the | | | Network elements are put in or does the network clients/protocols have | to | | be | | | in place first? | | | | Okay, make sure you shutdown before resetting the network. There is | | potentially a DUN issue [yeah we scratch our heads on this one, dial-up, | | huh, why would that effect a network adapter, but it IS part of the | | network]. The card drivers can be added as soon as possible, you should | have | | had the Startup/New hardware found, ask for the drivers upon startup, | which | | then are supposed to install the necessary TCP/IP and other files. | | One thing I have found, is having the CABS for 98 in | | {drive}:\Windows\Options\CABS, seems to ease installation of most | devices. | | Just copy the Win98 folder and contents from the CD to that folder. | | | | One registry entry needs changed though, so installations look there | rather | | than asking for the CDROM: | | --------- | | REGEDIT4 | | | | [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup] | | "SourcePath"="C:\\WINDOWS\\OPTIONS\\CABS\\" | | | | ----------- | | This can be placed into a TEXT editor [including the blank line], saved | as | | option-source.reg, and merged. Modify that to your actual windows | | directory/folder if necessary. | | It works much better if it was done before the update process as any | | updated files are/were copied/placed there as well, meaning you won't be | | installing OLD outdated files from the CDROM. | | | | On installers generally: | | Looking at a number of NEW installers, I note that they constantly check | for | | "administrator rights" [something necessary for NT] and NT files, and | fail | | to include the old variables for "if its not present then do" [that's | not | | the actual inclusions just what was done] which the OLD cross platform | | installers included. | | The cross platforms now being addressed are XP and the necessary VISTA | | "special" envelope/requirements. | | | | Let us know how it goes... | | | | | | | | Right! I better speak to the other guys now. Thanks for your help | MEB. | | | | | | Cheers, | | | | | | Sandy. | | -- | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | | -- | | _________ | | | | | | | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | | | | | | Let me put both together: | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | | news | | | | Hi MEB, | | | | | | | | Thanks for your response. I'll try to answer all your questions. | | | | The Belkin drivers I tried were versions 1, 2.4, 3.2, 6 & 7. | | | | I tried installing them by their installers and directly from | their | | INF | | | | files (the latter wouldn't work at all!). | | | | I cleaned up as best I could after each time by using the | uninstaller, | | | | device manager to remove the device deleting the inf folders under | | | | | | Did you make sure you didn't remove any you needed? I've done that | | before. | | | | | | | Windows/inf/other and physically removing the card. I must admit | to | | | | forgetting to try MS cleanup utility. | | | | It is Windows 98se and is as updated as it got prior to support | being | | | removed. | | | | | | Good, then at least that's not part of the issue. | | | | | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | | ... | | | | To continue... | | | | | | | | It's a PCChips M571 socket 7 mobo (yes I know it's ancient but | it's | | served | | | | me well for many years!), other PCI cards apart form the Belkin | which | | | | currently is in slot 1, is a NVidia GeForce MX400 in slot 2 and a | | Rockwell | | | | 56k modem (for FAX) in slot 3. There is just one ISA slot for a | | | Soundblaster | | | | card. | | | | | | | | Hope this helps. Many thanks for your time. | | | | | | It does, gives a chance to check the specs out. Several versions of | the | | | board [as well as several *manufacturers*] | | | On board video and sound, no on board network. | | | No need to explain about the age, I also have several dinosaurs | here, | | in | | | fact I'm using a 440BX .board for this. | | | The information I find suggest there were more slots, hmm. |
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Hi MEB,
Gosh! You've given me a lot to look at & explore. Give me some time to study all this and then I'll come back to you. Thanks. All the best, Sandy. "MEB" wrote: "Sandy" wrote in message ... | Good morning MEB and everybody else! | | OK some success. After going through the procedures we spoke about last | week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized properly, yes the | drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows says "there is a problem | with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"! As if I didn't do | that in the first place! | | I have to say I think that this final message would rather indicate a faulty | card which may account for all the difficulties. What do you think? | | Regards, Sandy. | What is the EXACT error message and what is now shown in Control Panel Network. {NIC adapter {Belkin 54g wireless}} What you're looking for is TCP/IP set for Obtain IP automatically, no Gateway, no WINS, and other *INITIALLY*. HOWEVER, as this is part of a wireless network, the rest of the network must be found. RUN * winipcfg * in the Start RUN box. What is the address for your base unit/wireless router? Here's a general network diagnostic/setup page: http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/re...NETWORKING.htm -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ | "MEB" wrote: | | Okay, please keep us informed. | | -- | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | -- | _________ | | "Sandy" wrote in message | ... | | Gosh... more stuff to think about! Thanks for that MEB. I'll have a go | of | | your suggestions over the week-end and see what happens. I'll come back | to | | you next week. See you then. | | | | Sandy. | | | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | ... | | | Morning MEB (it is for me!), | | | | | | Thanks for your reply... lots of stuff for me to get my head round! | | | | | | The only INF files I removed were the folders listed as Belkin & | Broadcom, | | | no others. | | | | Okay, that was important, we now can focus on other potentials. | | | | | | | | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the | technique | | you | | | used similar to this? | | | | | | Just printed this off - useful stuff here, thanks. Yes sort off in my | | | fumbling way trying to muddle through. There are some extra steps I | can | | try | | | but what is really useful is I can follow through in a logical | sequence. | | | However, looking at the points between steps 15 & 16 ( I was having | | another | | | go last night whilst waiting for this post), I noticed the card was | not | | | identified. However, I will go through Netgears' sequence now I've | got it | | & | | | see what happens. | | | | Okay, if you look through some of those other links you'll note that | has | | also occurred to others ... regretfully you are also "being put through | the | | wringer" with your card. | | | | | | | | Just been looking through the other links you suggested... perhaps I | | should | | | be grateful I've got a Belkin & not a Linksys! General theme seems to | be | | | change the card. Hmmm. Not convinced - yet. | | | | Well you have to remember that 98 was designed more for phone access, | and | | within a network [business/commercial] which was handled by IT or other | | "experts". And these newer adapters are not designed for 98 or the older | | NTs. Not that the drivers would be difficult to provide, but that the | | manufacturer's programmers rely more upon Microsoft, and of course, the | | necessary MS certification. Moreover, the programmers can no longer call | | Microsoft to discuss issues that might occur in Microsoft's un-supported | | OSs, so that leaves them as needing to actually know how to program. | Look at | | any of the newer devices and you find these same difficulties. | | | | | | | | Yes, on your other point I did go into Safe Mode to remove the | 'device' | | | because you're right, previous experience on this ghosting anomaly can | be | | | quite revealing, all taking up valuable resources. | | | | Yes, that's always been important. Many later errors and issues can be | | back-traced to these ghosts. | | | | | | | | Finally, like I said when playing last night, I did remove all network | | | protocols, clients et al. I must admit I can't remember if I closed | down | | | before re-installing them or not. Can a card's drivers be loaded | before | | the | | | Network elements are put in or does the network clients/protocols have | to | | be | | | in place first? | | | | Okay, make sure you shutdown before resetting the network. There is | | potentially a DUN issue [yeah we scratch our heads on this one, dial-up, | | huh, why would that effect a network adapter, but it IS part of the | | network]. The card drivers can be added as soon as possible, you should | have | | had the Startup/New hardware found, ask for the drivers upon startup, | which | | then are supposed to install the necessary TCP/IP and other files. | | One thing I have found, is having the CABS for 98 in | | {drive}:\Windows\Options\CABS, seems to ease installation of most | devices. | | Just copy the Win98 folder and contents from the CD to that folder. | | | | One registry entry needs changed though, so installations look there | rather | | than asking for the CDROM: | | --------- | | REGEDIT4 | | | | [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup] | | "SourcePath"="C:\\WINDOWS\\OPTIONS\\CABS\\" | | | | ----------- | | This can be placed into a TEXT editor [including the blank line], saved | as | | option-source.reg, and merged. Modify that to your actual windows | | directory/folder if necessary. | | It works much better if it was done before the update process as any | | updated files are/were copied/placed there as well, meaning you won't be | | installing OLD outdated files from the CDROM. | | | | On installers generally: | | Looking at a number of NEW installers, I note that they constantly check | for | | "administrator rights" [something necessary for NT] and NT files, and | fail | | to include the old variables for "if its not present then do" [that's | not | | the actual inclusions just what was done] which the OLD cross platform | | installers included. | | The cross platforms now being addressed are XP and the necessary VISTA | | "special" envelope/requirements. | | | | Let us know how it goes... | | | | | | | | Right! I better speak to the other guys now. Thanks for your help | MEB. | | | | | | Cheers, | | | | | | Sandy. | | -- | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | | -- | | _________ | | | | | | | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | | | | | | Let me put both together: | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | | news | | | | Hi MEB, | | | | | | | | Thanks for your response. I'll try to answer all your questions. | | | | The Belkin drivers I tried were versions 1, 2.4, 3.2, 6 & 7. | | | | I tried installing them by their installers and directly from | their | | INF | | | | files (the latter wouldn't work at all!). | | | | I cleaned up as best I could after each time by using the | uninstaller, | | | | device manager to remove the device deleting the inf folders under | | | | | | Did you make sure you didn't remove any you needed? I've done that | | before. | | | | | | | Windows/inf/other and physically removing the card. I must admit | to | | | | forgetting to try MS cleanup utility. | | | | It is Windows 98se and is as updated as it got prior to support | being | | | removed. | | | | | | Good, then at least that's not part of the issue. | | | | | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | | ... | | | | To continue... | | | | | | | | It's a PCChips M571 socket 7 mobo (yes I know it's ancient but | it's | | served | | | | me well for many years!), other PCI cards apart form the Belkin | which | | | | currently is in slot 1, is a NVidia GeForce MX400 in slot 2 and a | | Rockwell | | | | 56k modem (for FAX) in slot 3. There is just one ISA slot for a | | | Soundblaster | | | | card. | | | | | | | | Hope this helps. Many thanks for your time. | | | | | | It does, gives a chance to check the specs out. Several versions of | the | | | board [as well as several *manufacturers*] | | | On board video and sound, no on board network. | | | No need to explain about the age, I also have several dinosaurs | here, | | in | | | fact I'm using a 440BX .board for this. | | | The information I find suggest there were more slots, hmm. |
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Sorry, marked this for response and overlooked it. Don't get lost in the
page and links, it really isn't that difficult. The page is for general diagnostics and information/links to other materials which might be informative. Post back with success or if more personal help is needed. Good luck. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "Sandy" wrote in message ... | Hi MEB, | | Gosh! You've given me a lot to look at & explore. Give me some time to | study all this and then I'll come back to you. Thanks. | | All the best, | | Sandy. | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | ... | | Good morning MEB and everybody else! | | | | OK some success. After going through the procedures we spoke about last | | week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized properly, yes the | | drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows says "there is a | problem | | with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"! As if I didn't do | | that in the first place! | | | | I have to say I think that this final message would rather indicate a | faulty | | card which may account for all the difficulties. What do you think? | | | | Regards, Sandy. | | | | What is the EXACT error message and what is now shown in Control Panel | Network. {NIC adapter {Belkin 54g wireless}} | | What you're looking for is TCP/IP set for Obtain IP automatically, no | Gateway, no WINS, and other *INITIALLY*. | HOWEVER, as this is part of a wireless network, the rest of the network | must be found. RUN * winipcfg * in the Start RUN box. | What is the address for your base unit/wireless router? | | Here's a general network diagnostic/setup page: | http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/re...NETWORKING.htm | | -- | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | -- | _________ | | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | Okay, please keep us informed. | | | | -- | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | | -- | | _________ | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | ... | | | Gosh... more stuff to think about! Thanks for that MEB. I'll have a | go | | of | | | your suggestions over the week-end and see what happens. I'll come | back | | to | | | you next week. See you then. | | | | | | Sandy. | | | | | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | | ... | | | | Morning MEB (it is for me!), | | | | | | | | Thanks for your reply... lots of stuff for me to get my head | round! | | | | | | | | The only INF files I removed were the folders listed as Belkin & | | Broadcom, | | | | no others. | | | | | | Okay, that was important, we now can focus on other potentials. | | | | | | | | | | | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the | | technique | | | you | | | | used similar to this? | | | | | | | | Just printed this off - useful stuff here, thanks. Yes sort off | in my | | | | fumbling way trying to muddle through. There are some extra steps | I | | can | | | try | | | | but what is really useful is I can follow through in a logical | | sequence. | | | | However, looking at the points between steps 15 & 16 ( I was | having | | | another | | | | go last night whilst waiting for this post), I noticed the card | was | | not | | | | identified. However, I will go through Netgears' sequence now | I've | | got it | | | & | | | | see what happens. | | | | | | Okay, if you look through some of those other links you'll note | that | | has | | | also occurred to others ... regretfully you are also "being put | through | | the | | | wringer" with your card. | | | | | | | | | | | Just been looking through the other links you suggested... perhaps | I | | | should | | | | be grateful I've got a Belkin & not a Linksys! General theme | seems to | | be | | | | change the card. Hmmm. Not convinced - yet. | | | | | | Well you have to remember that 98 was designed more for phone | access, | | and | | | within a network [business/commercial] which was handled by IT or | other | | | "experts". And these newer adapters are not designed for 98 or the | older | | | NTs. Not that the drivers would be difficult to provide, but that | the | | | manufacturer's programmers rely more upon Microsoft, and of course, | the | | | necessary MS certification. Moreover, the programmers can no longer | call | | | Microsoft to discuss issues that might occur in Microsoft's | un-supported | | | OSs, so that leaves them as needing to actually know how to program. | | Look at | | | any of the newer devices and you find these same difficulties. | | | | | | | | | | | Yes, on your other point I did go into Safe Mode to remove the | | 'device' | | | | because you're right, previous experience on this ghosting anomaly | can | | be | | | | quite revealing, all taking up valuable resources. | | | | | | Yes, that's always been important. Many later errors and issues can | be | | | back-traced to these ghosts. | | | | | | | | | | | Finally, like I said when playing last night, I did remove all | network | | | | protocols, clients et al. I must admit I can't remember if I | closed | | down | | | | before re-installing them or not. Can a card's drivers be loaded | | before | | | the | | | | Network elements are put in or does the network clients/protocols | have | | to | | | be | | | | in place first? | | | | | | Okay, make sure you shutdown before resetting the network. There is | | | potentially a DUN issue [yeah we scratch our heads on this one, | dial-up, | | | huh, why would that effect a network adapter, but it IS part of the | | | network]. The card drivers can be added as soon as possible, you | should | | have | | | had the Startup/New hardware found, ask for the drivers upon | startup, | | which | | | then are supposed to install the necessary TCP/IP and other files. | | | One thing I have found, is having the CABS for 98 in | | | {drive}:\Windows\Options\CABS, seems to ease installation of most | | devices. | | | Just copy the Win98 folder and contents from the CD to that folder. | | | | | | One registry entry needs changed though, so installations look | there | | rather | | | than asking for the CDROM: | | | --------- | | | REGEDIT4 | | | | | | [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup] | | | "SourcePath"="C:\\WINDOWS\\OPTIONS\\CABS\\" | | | | | | ----------- | | | This can be placed into a TEXT editor [including the blank line], | saved | | as | | | option-source.reg, and merged. Modify that to your actual windows | | | directory/folder if necessary. | | | It works much better if it was done before the update process as | any | | | updated files are/were copied/placed there as well, meaning you | won't be | | | installing OLD outdated files from the CDROM. | | | | | | On installers generally: | | | Looking at a number of NEW installers, I note that they constantly | check | | for | | | "administrator rights" [something necessary for NT] and NT files, | and | | fail | | | to include the old variables for "if its not present then do" | [that's | | not | | | the actual inclusions just what was done] which the OLD cross | platform | | | installers included. | | | The cross platforms now being addressed are XP and the necessary | VISTA | | | "special" envelope/requirements. | | | | | | Let us know how it goes... | | | | | | | | | | | Right! I better speak to the other guys now. Thanks for your | help | | MEB. | | | | | | | | Cheers, | | | | | | | | Sandy. | | | -- | | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | | | -- | | | _________ | | | | | | | | | | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | | | | | | | | | Let me put both together: | | | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | | | news | | | | | Hi MEB, | | | | | | | | | | Thanks for your response. I'll try to answer all your | questions. | | | | | The Belkin drivers I tried were versions 1, 2.4, 3.2, 6 & 7. | | | | | I tried installing them by their installers and directly from | | their | | | INF | | | | | files (the latter wouldn't work at all!). | | | | | I cleaned up as best I could after each time by using the | | uninstaller, | | | | | device manager to remove the device deleting the inf folders | under | | | | | | | | Did you make sure you didn't remove any you needed? I've done | that | | | before. | | | | | | | | | Windows/inf/other and physically removing the card. I must | admit | | to | | | | | forgetting to try MS cleanup utility. | | | | | It is Windows 98se and is as updated as it got prior to | support | | being | | | | removed. | | | | | | | | Good, then at least that's not part of the issue. | | | | | | | | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | | | ... | | | | | To continue... | | | | | | | | | | It's a PCChips M571 socket 7 mobo (yes I know it's ancient but | | it's | | | served | | | | | me well for many years!), other PCI cards apart form the | Belkin | | which | | | | | currently is in slot 1, is a NVidia GeForce MX400 in slot 2 | and a | | | Rockwell | | | | | 56k modem (for FAX) in slot 3. There is just one ISA slot for | a | | | | Soundblaster | | | | | card. | | | | | | | | | | Hope this helps. Many thanks for your time. | | | | | | | | It does, gives a chance to check the specs out. Several | versions of | | the | | | | board [as well as several *manufacturers*] | | | | On board video and sound, no on board network. | | | | No need to explain about the age, I also have several dinosaurs | | here, | | | in | | | | fact I'm using a 440BX .board for this. | | | | The information I find suggest there were more slots, hmm. |
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Sorry, marked this for response and overlooked it. Don't get lost in the
page and links, it really isn't that difficult. The page is for general diagnostics and information/links to other materials which might be informative. Post back with success or if more personal help is needed. Good luck. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "Sandy" wrote in message ... | Hi MEB, | | Gosh! You've given me a lot to look at & explore. Give me some time to | study all this and then I'll come back to you. Thanks. | | All the best, | | Sandy. | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | ... | | Good morning MEB and everybody else! | | | | OK some success. After going through the procedures we spoke about last | | week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized properly, yes the | | drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows says "there is a | problem | | with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"! As if I didn't do | | that in the first place! | | | | I have to say I think that this final message would rather indicate a | faulty | | card which may account for all the difficulties. What do you think? | | | | Regards, Sandy. | | | | What is the EXACT error message and what is now shown in Control Panel | Network. {NIC adapter {Belkin 54g wireless}} | | What you're looking for is TCP/IP set for Obtain IP automatically, no | Gateway, no WINS, and other *INITIALLY*. | HOWEVER, as this is part of a wireless network, the rest of the network | must be found. RUN * winipcfg * in the Start RUN box. | What is the address for your base unit/wireless router? | | Here's a general network diagnostic/setup page: | http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/re...NETWORKING.htm | | -- | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | -- | _________ | | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | Okay, please keep us informed. | | | | -- | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | | -- | | _________ | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | ... | | | Gosh... more stuff to think about! Thanks for that MEB. I'll have a | go | | of | | | your suggestions over the week-end and see what happens. I'll come | back | | to | | | you next week. See you then. | | | | | | Sandy. | | | | | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | | ... | | | | Morning MEB (it is for me!), | | | | | | | | Thanks for your reply... lots of stuff for me to get my head | round! | | | | | | | | The only INF files I removed were the folders listed as Belkin & | | Broadcom, | | | | no others. | | | | | | Okay, that was important, we now can focus on other potentials. | | | | | | | | | | | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the | | technique | | | you | | | | used similar to this? | | | | | | | | Just printed this off - useful stuff here, thanks. Yes sort off | in my | | | | fumbling way trying to muddle through. There are some extra steps | I | | can | | | try | | | | but what is really useful is I can follow through in a logical | | sequence. | | | | However, looking at the points between steps 15 & 16 ( I was | having | | | another | | | | go last night whilst waiting for this post), I noticed the card | was | | not | | | | identified. However, I will go through Netgears' sequence now | I've | | got it | | | & | | | | see what happens. | | | | | | Okay, if you look through some of those other links you'll note | that | | has | | | also occurred to others ... regretfully you are also "being put | through | | the | | | wringer" with your card. | | | | | | | | | | | Just been looking through the other links you suggested... perhaps | I | | | should | | | | be grateful I've got a Belkin & not a Linksys! General theme | seems to | | be | | | | change the card. Hmmm. Not convinced - yet. | | | | | | Well you have to remember that 98 was designed more for phone | access, | | and | | | within a network [business/commercial] which was handled by IT or | other | | | "experts". And these newer adapters are not designed for 98 or the | older | | | NTs. Not that the drivers would be difficult to provide, but that | the | | | manufacturer's programmers rely more upon Microsoft, and of course, | the | | | necessary MS certification. Moreover, the programmers can no longer | call | | | Microsoft to discuss issues that might occur in Microsoft's | un-supported | | | OSs, so that leaves them as needing to actually know how to program. | | Look at | | | any of the newer devices and you find these same difficulties. | | | | | | | | | | | Yes, on your other point I did go into Safe Mode to remove the | | 'device' | | | | because you're right, previous experience on this ghosting anomaly | can | | be | | | | quite revealing, all taking up valuable resources. | | | | | | Yes, that's always been important. Many later errors and issues can | be | | | back-traced to these ghosts. | | | | | | | | | | | Finally, like I said when playing last night, I did remove all | network | | | | protocols, clients et al. I must admit I can't remember if I | closed | | down | | | | before re-installing them or not. Can a card's drivers be loaded | | before | | | the | | | | Network elements are put in or does the network clients/protocols | have | | to | | | be | | | | in place first? | | | | | | Okay, make sure you shutdown before resetting the network. There is | | | potentially a DUN issue [yeah we scratch our heads on this one, | dial-up, | | | huh, why would that effect a network adapter, but it IS part of the | | | network]. The card drivers can be added as soon as possible, you | should | | have | | | had the Startup/New hardware found, ask for the drivers upon | startup, | | which | | | then are supposed to install the necessary TCP/IP and other files. | | | One thing I have found, is having the CABS for 98 in | | | {drive}:\Windows\Options\CABS, seems to ease installation of most | | devices. | | | Just copy the Win98 folder and contents from the CD to that folder. | | | | | | One registry entry needs changed though, so installations look | there | | rather | | | than asking for the CDROM: | | | --------- | | | REGEDIT4 | | | | | | [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup] | | | "SourcePath"="C:\\WINDOWS\\OPTIONS\\CABS\\" | | | | | | ----------- | | | This can be placed into a TEXT editor [including the blank line], | saved | | as | | | option-source.reg, and merged. Modify that to your actual windows | | | directory/folder if necessary. | | | It works much better if it was done before the update process as | any | | | updated files are/were copied/placed there as well, meaning you | won't be | | | installing OLD outdated files from the CDROM. | | | | | | On installers generally: | | | Looking at a number of NEW installers, I note that they constantly | check | | for | | | "administrator rights" [something necessary for NT] and NT files, | and | | fail | | | to include the old variables for "if its not present then do" | [that's | | not | | | the actual inclusions just what was done] which the OLD cross | platform | | | installers included. | | | The cross platforms now being addressed are XP and the necessary | VISTA | | | "special" envelope/requirements. | | | | | | Let us know how it goes... | | | | | | | | | | | Right! I better speak to the other guys now. Thanks for your | help | | MEB. | | | | | | | | Cheers, | | | | | | | | Sandy. | | | -- | | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | | | -- | | | _________ | | | | | | | | | | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | | | | | | | | | Let me put both together: | | | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | | | news | | | | | Hi MEB, | | | | | | | | | | Thanks for your response. I'll try to answer all your | questions. | | | | | The Belkin drivers I tried were versions 1, 2.4, 3.2, 6 & 7. | | | | | I tried installing them by their installers and directly from | | their | | | INF | | | | | files (the latter wouldn't work at all!). | | | | | I cleaned up as best I could after each time by using the | | uninstaller, | | | | | device manager to remove the device deleting the inf folders | under | | | | | | | | Did you make sure you didn't remove any you needed? I've done | that | | | before. | | | | | | | | | Windows/inf/other and physically removing the card. I must | admit | | to | | | | | forgetting to try MS cleanup utility. | | | | | It is Windows 98se and is as updated as it got prior to | support | | being | | | | removed. | | | | | | | | Good, then at least that's not part of the issue. | | | | | | | | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | | | ... | | | | | To continue... | | | | | | | | | | It's a PCChips M571 socket 7 mobo (yes I know it's ancient but | | it's | | | served | | | | | me well for many years!), other PCI cards apart form the | Belkin | | which | | | | | currently is in slot 1, is a NVidia GeForce MX400 in slot 2 | and a | | | Rockwell | | | | | 56k modem (for FAX) in slot 3. There is just one ISA slot for | a | | | | Soundblaster | | | | | card. | | | | | | | | | | Hope this helps. Many thanks for your time. | | | | | | | | It does, gives a chance to check the specs out. Several | versions of | | the | | | | board [as well as several *manufacturers*] | | | | On board video and sound, no on board network. | | | | No need to explain about the age, I also have several dinosaurs | | here, | | | in | | | | fact I'm using a 440BX .board for this. | | | | The information I find suggest there were more slots, hmm. |
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CAN'T INSTALL BELKIN NIC DRIVERS
Hello MEB,
I've had some time to examine your webpage, lots of useful stuff on networking and problems with, but I didn't find much on troubleshooting adapter installation. But to answer your last questions about the EXACT error message, this happens on boot-up and/or restart: Windows Networking window pops up... "Your network adapter Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter (0001) is not working properly. You may need to set it up again. For more information, see the Network Troubleshooter in Windows Help". You also asked what is listed in Control PanelNetworks: Client for Microsoft Networks Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter Dial-Up Adapter TCP/IP-Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter TCP/IP-Dial-Up Adapter and... Primary Network Logon: Windows Logon. There's no problems with the modem/router as 3 other remote computers in my network connect to it OK. Have we come to the end of the road? Cheers, Sandy. "MEB" wrote: Sorry, marked this for response and overlooked it. Don't get lost in the page and links, it really isn't that difficult. The page is for general diagnostics and information/links to other materials which might be informative. Post back with success or if more personal help is needed. Good luck. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com -- _________ "Sandy" wrote in message ... | Hi MEB, | | Gosh! You've given me a lot to look at & explore. Give me some time to | study all this and then I'll come back to you. Thanks. | | All the best, | | Sandy. | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | ... | | Good morning MEB and everybody else! | | | | OK some success. After going through the procedures we spoke about last | | week over the week-end, yes the NIC is now recognized properly, yes the | | drivers finally loaded successfully, but no, Windows says "there is a | problem | | with my NIC" on restart go & "run the troubleshooter"! As if I didn't do | | that in the first place! | | | | I have to say I think that this final message would rather indicate a | faulty | | card which may account for all the difficulties. What do you think? | | | | Regards, Sandy. | | | | What is the EXACT error message and what is now shown in Control Panel | Network. {NIC adapter {Belkin 54g wireless}} | | What you're looking for is TCP/IP set for Obtain IP automatically, no | Gateway, no WINS, and other *INITIALLY*. | HOWEVER, as this is part of a wireless network, the rest of the network | must be found. RUN * winipcfg * in the Start RUN box. | What is the address for your base unit/wireless router? | | Here's a general network diagnostic/setup page: | http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/re...NETWORKING.htm | | -- | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | -- | _________ | | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | Okay, please keep us informed. | | | | -- | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | | -- | | _________ | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | ... | | | Gosh... more stuff to think about! Thanks for that MEB. I'll have a | go | | of | | | your suggestions over the week-end and see what happens. I'll come | back | | to | | | you next week. See you then. | | | | | | Sandy. | | | | | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | | ... | | | | Morning MEB (it is for me!), | | | | | | | | Thanks for your reply... lots of stuff for me to get my head | round! | | | | | | | | The only INF files I removed were the folders listed as Belkin & | | Broadcom, | | | | no others. | | | | | | Okay, that was important, we now can focus on other potentials. | | | | | | | | | | | http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N100393.asp - was the | | technique | | | you | | | | used similar to this? | | | | | | | | Just printed this off - useful stuff here, thanks. Yes sort off | in my | | | | fumbling way trying to muddle through. There are some extra steps | I | | can | | | try | | | | but what is really useful is I can follow through in a logical | | sequence. | | | | However, looking at the points between steps 15 & 16 ( I was | having | | | another | | | | go last night whilst waiting for this post), I noticed the card | was | | not | | | | identified. However, I will go through Netgears' sequence now | I've | | got it | | | & | | | | see what happens. | | | | | | Okay, if you look through some of those other links you'll note | that | | has | | | also occurred to others ... regretfully you are also "being put | through | | the | | | wringer" with your card. | | | | | | | | | | | Just been looking through the other links you suggested... perhaps | I | | | should | | | | be grateful I've got a Belkin & not a Linksys! General theme | seems to | | be | | | | change the card. Hmmm. Not convinced - yet. | | | | | | Well you have to remember that 98 was designed more for phone | access, | | and | | | within a network [business/commercial] which was handled by IT or | other | | | "experts". And these newer adapters are not designed for 98 or the | older | | | NTs. Not that the drivers would be difficult to provide, but that | the | | | manufacturer's programmers rely more upon Microsoft, and of course, | the | | | necessary MS certification. Moreover, the programmers can no longer | call | | | Microsoft to discuss issues that might occur in Microsoft's | un-supported | | | OSs, so that leaves them as needing to actually know how to program. | | Look at | | | any of the newer devices and you find these same difficulties. | | | | | | | | | | | Yes, on your other point I did go into Safe Mode to remove the | | 'device' | | | | because you're right, previous experience on this ghosting anomaly | can | | be | | | | quite revealing, all taking up valuable resources. | | | | | | Yes, that's always been important. Many later errors and issues can | be | | | back-traced to these ghosts. | | | | | | | | | | | Finally, like I said when playing last night, I did remove all | network | | | | protocols, clients et al. I must admit I can't remember if I | closed | | down | | | | before re-installing them or not. Can a card's drivers be loaded | | before | | | the | | | | Network elements are put in or does the network clients/protocols | have | | to | | | be | | | | in place first? | | | | | | Okay, make sure you shutdown before resetting the network. There is | | | potentially a DUN issue [yeah we scratch our heads on this one, | dial-up, | | | huh, why would that effect a network adapter, but it IS part of the | | | network]. The card drivers can be added as soon as possible, you | should | | have | | | had the Startup/New hardware found, ask for the drivers upon | startup, | | which | | | then are supposed to install the necessary TCP/IP and other files. | | | One thing I have found, is having the CABS for 98 in | | | {drive}:\Windows\Options\CABS, seems to ease installation of most | | devices. | | | Just copy the Win98 folder and contents from the CD to that folder. | | | | | | One registry entry needs changed though, so installations look | there | | rather | | | than asking for the CDROM: | | | --------- | | | REGEDIT4 | | | | | | [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Setup] | | | "SourcePath"="C:\\WINDOWS\\OPTIONS\\CABS\\" | | | | | | ----------- | | | This can be placed into a TEXT editor [including the blank line], | saved | | as | | | option-source.reg, and merged. Modify that to your actual windows | | | directory/folder if necessary. | | | It works much better if it was done before the update process as | any | | | updated files are/were copied/placed there as well, meaning you | won't be | | | installing OLD outdated files from the CDROM. | | | | | | On installers generally: | | | Looking at a number of NEW installers, I note that they constantly | check | | for | | | "administrator rights" [something necessary for NT] and NT files, | and | | fail | | | to include the old variables for "if its not present then do" | [that's | | not | | | the actual inclusions just what was done] which the OLD cross | platform | | | installers included. | | | The cross platforms now being addressed are XP and the necessary | VISTA | | | "special" envelope/requirements. | | | | | | Let us know how it goes... | | | | | | | | | | | Right! I better speak to the other guys now. Thanks for your | help | | MEB. | | | | | | | | Cheers, | | | | | | | | Sandy. | | | -- | | | MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | | | -- | | | _________ | | | | | | | | | | | "MEB" wrote: | | | | | | | | | | | | Let me put both together: | | | | | | | | "Sandy" wrote in message | | | | news |
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