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Meb wants to talk about the useage of Win-2K IE6 files on 98
Full-quoter and Top-Poaster Peter Foldes top-poasted:
Gee guy. Give it a rest already. You are starting to get to be a Troll I'm having (or trying to have) a technical discussion regarding windows 98 and the use of IE6 rollups from Microsoft. I don't believe that trolls normally discuss such things. And you obviously don't have the balls or the knowledge to participate in the discussion, other than to make a klownish entrance and make a childish comment and then retreat, as you no doubt will do in this case as you have done in the past. |
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Meb wants to talk about the useage of Win-2K IE6 files on 98
Peter ........
98 Guy is a Troll Eating on you! "Peter Foldes" wrote in message ... 98 Guy Gee guy. Give it a rest already. You are starting to get to be a Troll -- Peter Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged. "98 Guy" wrote in message ... MEB wrote: Uhuh, dorkidum, so let me ask you pursuant YOUR claims; WHY does anyone need to install Win2K files into Win9X since they are immune from the present hacks being used? Because: a) they might contain actual bug fixes in addition to patching vulnerabilities that are specific to NT-based OS's. The bug fixes might result in a more stable operating system. b) they might actually patch vulnerabilities that are exposed on win-98 but which have never been coded properly to execute correctly on win-98 by any circulating malware. c) there is no possibility that they can give win-98 any new vulnerabilities. If you believe that they can, then you'd have to explain why you would trust or have faith in any update from Microsoft under any condition. For all the above reasons, there is no rational argument to support the idea that there is a downside to installing these files on a win-98 system. But because win-98 is practically immune yo IE6 exploits these days, there is perhaps no compelling reason that the average win-98 user needs to seek out and install these files. But regardless what the average win-98 user does, it should always be pointed out to those that are ignorant about the exact state of win-98 "support" in the post-2006 era, that it IS wrong to say that win-98 updates are no longer available - because of the existance of these win-2k files and their operability on win-98. They have been tested (from a purely operational POV) by various win-98 enthusiasts that participate on the MSFN forums and are incorporated into several independantly-maintained win-98 update packages. These same people that you point to for other useful resources relating to the advanced support of Windows 98 would also be the first people to point out or disover flaws in using these files. They have countered your claims several times that these files are not appropriate for win-98 by pointing out the flaws in your basic argument that IE6 was never properly "ported" to win-98. Your dependency-walker "evidence" purporting to show unresolved dependencies in these files has been totally debunked, and you have never explained how the use of these files can result in the apparent normal and stable operation of a win-98 system given your understanding of your dependency-walker observations. |
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Meb wants to talk about the useage of Win-2K IE6 files on 98
Peter ........
98 Guy is a Troll Eating on you! "Peter Foldes" wrote in message ... 98 Guy Gee guy. Give it a rest already. You are starting to get to be a Troll -- Peter Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged. "98 Guy" wrote in message ... MEB wrote: Uhuh, dorkidum, so let me ask you pursuant YOUR claims; WHY does anyone need to install Win2K files into Win9X since they are immune from the present hacks being used? Because: a) they might contain actual bug fixes in addition to patching vulnerabilities that are specific to NT-based OS's. The bug fixes might result in a more stable operating system. b) they might actually patch vulnerabilities that are exposed on win-98 but which have never been coded properly to execute correctly on win-98 by any circulating malware. c) there is no possibility that they can give win-98 any new vulnerabilities. If you believe that they can, then you'd have to explain why you would trust or have faith in any update from Microsoft under any condition. For all the above reasons, there is no rational argument to support the idea that there is a downside to installing these files on a win-98 system. But because win-98 is practically immune yo IE6 exploits these days, there is perhaps no compelling reason that the average win-98 user needs to seek out and install these files. But regardless what the average win-98 user does, it should always be pointed out to those that are ignorant about the exact state of win-98 "support" in the post-2006 era, that it IS wrong to say that win-98 updates are no longer available - because of the existance of these win-2k files and their operability on win-98. They have been tested (from a purely operational POV) by various win-98 enthusiasts that participate on the MSFN forums and are incorporated into several independantly-maintained win-98 update packages. These same people that you point to for other useful resources relating to the advanced support of Windows 98 would also be the first people to point out or disover flaws in using these files. They have countered your claims several times that these files are not appropriate for win-98 by pointing out the flaws in your basic argument that IE6 was never properly "ported" to win-98. Your dependency-walker "evidence" purporting to show unresolved dependencies in these files has been totally debunked, and you have never explained how the use of these files can result in the apparent normal and stable operation of a win-98 system given your understanding of your dependency-walker observations. |
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Antivirus for win98
In message , Question
writes: Rasta Robert wrote in : AVG now has a freware virus scan and rescue live CD / USB stick system, which can be useful for PCs with windows 98. http://www.avg.com/us-en/226386 Is there any inherent advantage or disadvantage or scanning for viruses with a separte system? If the above is truly a "live" system, i. e. bootable, then the advantage is that it can run independently of _anything_ - including the (possibly corrupted) OS - on the system being scanned. That is, assuming you are _sure_ (from BIOS settings and so on) that the system in question is truly _booting_ from the whatever. (I'd also be inclined to say the CD version is more likely to be safe as it can't be written to.) Disadvantage - I can't really think of any, other than false sense of security (never have that, whatever scanning method you use!), and having to get used to a different user interface while using it. -- J. P. Gilliver. 27 years experience in the electronics industry - seeking employment (also computer, tester, trainer ...); email for details: CV at http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/CV2010-3.pdf ! Real programmers don't document. If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. |
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Antivirus for win98
In message , Question
writes: Rasta Robert wrote in : AVG now has a freware virus scan and rescue live CD / USB stick system, which can be useful for PCs with windows 98. http://www.avg.com/us-en/226386 Is there any inherent advantage or disadvantage or scanning for viruses with a separte system? If the above is truly a "live" system, i. e. bootable, then the advantage is that it can run independently of _anything_ - including the (possibly corrupted) OS - on the system being scanned. That is, assuming you are _sure_ (from BIOS settings and so on) that the system in question is truly _booting_ from the whatever. (I'd also be inclined to say the CD version is more likely to be safe as it can't be written to.) Disadvantage - I can't really think of any, other than false sense of security (never have that, whatever scanning method you use!), and having to get used to a different user interface while using it. -- J. P. Gilliver. 27 years experience in the electronics industry - seeking employment (also computer, tester, trainer ...); email for details: CV at http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/CV2010-3.pdf ! Real programmers don't document. If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. |
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Antivirus for win98
On 2010-04-09, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Question writes: Rasta Robert wrote in : AVG now has a freware virus scan and rescue live CD / USB stick system, which can be useful for PCs with windows 98. http://www.avg.com/us-en/226386 Is there any inherent advantage or disadvantage or scanning for viruses with a separte system? If the above is truly a "live" system, i. e. bootable, then the advantage is that it can run independently of _anything_ - including the (possibly corrupted) OS - on the system being scanned. That is, assuming you are _sure_ (from BIOS settings and so on) that the system in question is truly _booting_ from the whatever. (I'd also be inclined to say the CD version is more likely to be safe as it can't be written to.) The AVG Rescue Linux CD/USBkey system is indeed a small bootable live linux system with busybox, midnight commander, AVG antivirus, and some recovery/repair tools. So it is equivalent to putting the disk into another system to scan it. The windows system it'll be scanning isn't running when the computer is booted up from the live CD/USBstick. Disadvantage - I can't really think of any, other than false sense of security (never have that, whatever scanning method you use!), and having to get used to a different user interface while using it. Basic functions like updating virus definitions and scanning are run from a simple text menu system. -- http://rr.www.cistron.nl/ -!- http://www.rr.dds.nl/ http://www.dread.demon.nl/ |
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Antivirus for win98
On 2010-04-09, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Question writes: Rasta Robert wrote in : AVG now has a freware virus scan and rescue live CD / USB stick system, which can be useful for PCs with windows 98. http://www.avg.com/us-en/226386 Is there any inherent advantage or disadvantage or scanning for viruses with a separte system? If the above is truly a "live" system, i. e. bootable, then the advantage is that it can run independently of _anything_ - including the (possibly corrupted) OS - on the system being scanned. That is, assuming you are _sure_ (from BIOS settings and so on) that the system in question is truly _booting_ from the whatever. (I'd also be inclined to say the CD version is more likely to be safe as it can't be written to.) The AVG Rescue Linux CD/USBkey system is indeed a small bootable live linux system with busybox, midnight commander, AVG antivirus, and some recovery/repair tools. So it is equivalent to putting the disk into another system to scan it. The windows system it'll be scanning isn't running when the computer is booted up from the live CD/USBstick. Disadvantage - I can't really think of any, other than false sense of security (never have that, whatever scanning method you use!), and having to get used to a different user interface while using it. Basic functions like updating virus definitions and scanning are run from a simple text menu system. -- http://rr.www.cistron.nl/ -!- http://www.rr.dds.nl/ http://www.dread.demon.nl/ |
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Antivirus for win98
"PCR" wrote in message ... Someone here who comunicated with them said the definitions will no longer be supplied after January 1, 2011 -- which date also shows up as the "updates expiration" date shown in avast!'s About box in the Registration Key section. (Normally, when the registration key expires, one just clicks for a new one.) However the program suposedly continues to function with the last updates taken. I'll personally start to get worried around October or so! Avast Home Edition 4.8.1229.80723 - http://download.cnet.com/Avast-Home-...-10867956.html Be sure to click the small "Download" button in the page body, NOT the unrelated download in the ad at the top. Hello: I think that you were referring to my earlier post relaying the response below that I received from Avast tech support on March 4, 2010. Also, while CNET Download.com has the older 1229 build of v4.8, you can download the last build of v4.8 - which is 1368 IIRC - directly from the Avast web site at: http://www.avast.com/free-antivirus-download#tab4 and look at the lower section of the page for "avast! 4.8 Home Edition (old product)". The older build 1229 should update to build 1368 when you perform an update, but you'll save yourself a bit of download and install time by starting with build 1368. IIRC build 1368 was issued in late 2009 and was to be the final build of v4.8. Cheers, Jerry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello, ..... We will be updating avast! 4.8 virus definitions till end of 2010, but we do not plan to release any further program update for avast! 4.8. Best regards, Jakub Vanous ALWIL Software a.s. Ticket Details =================== Ticket ID: ZFU-618246 Department: [ENG] Technical support Priority: Default Status: On Hold |
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Antivirus for win98
"square/circ" wrote in message ... Someone here who comunicated with them said the definitions will no longer be supplied after January 1, 2011 -- yes, you are correct. (what a kind person he/she was.) s/c Thanks. Just trying to pass on some useful info - even if it is sad news for Win 98/ME users. Cheers, Jerry |
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Antivirus for win98
"square/circ" wrote in message ... Someone here who comunicated with them said the definitions will no longer be supplied after January 1, 2011 -- yes, you are correct. (what a kind person he/she was.) s/c Thanks. Just trying to pass on some useful info - even if it is sad news for Win 98/ME users. Cheers, Jerry |
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