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Antivirus for Win98
"98 Guy" wrote in message ... Norton Antivirus 2002 is a full-function real-time and on-demand virus scanner that is fully compatible with Windows 98, Windows ME, Windows 2000 and Windows XP. Once installed, it can be updated with current Symantec scan-engine and virus definition signatures using the Symantec Intelligent Updater package. 8) It's my opinion that Windows-98 systems don't really need to be running anti-virus programs these days because malware (viruses, trojans, etc) are usually written to be OS-specific (ie they are written such that they need to be run on a Windows NT, 2K, XP, etc computer to function correctly). The protection gained from modern AV software is mostly in the mind of the user, because new threats can take anywhere from several weeks to several months to become incorporated into definition file updates. Hello: Regular, and seemly knowledgeable, posters in the "microsoft.public.windowsme.general" newsgroup have posted that NAV versions in the early 2000's did not play well with Win ME due to some changes that MS made in going from Win 98 to Win ME. IIRC, there was a matter of NAV placing empty files in a system folder that other versions of Windows were OK with, but which caused Win ME to choke. So while NAV may be appropriate for Win 98 users, Win ME users should be wary of NAV. I'm curious about the impact of KernelEx, "an Open Source compatibility layer with an aim to allow running Windows 2000/XP-only applications on Microsoft Windows 98 and Microsoft Windows Millennium operating systems." Would Win 98/ME users running KernelEx have the same exposure as users running Windows 2000/XP? See: http://sourceforge.net/projects/kernelex/ . Thanks, Jerry |
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Antivirus for Win98
On 04/11/2010 03:31 AM, Jerry Martin wrote:
"MEB" wrote in message ... On 04/09/2010 03:55 PM, Henry wrote: What good free antrivrus still supports Win98 please? Avast and AVG stopped. Thanks Henry Not many that I can find; you are asking for free AV for what is considered as "niche" software.. ClamAV {ClamWin} http://www.clamwin.com/ doesn't include "on-access" or "real time" Non-free: Dr. Web has Win9X support, though not free [the cleanup tool is]. Products for Win98/Me/NT http://www.bitdefender.com/site/view...n98-Me-NT.html Nod32 Life cycle policy for F-PROT Antivirus for Windows http://www.f-prot.com/products/lifecycle_win.html http://www.f-prot.com/products/home_use/win/ http://support.kaspersky.com/wks6mp3?level=3 Likely others, but not free, or offered without corporate/business/other OS purchase. -- MEB Hello: In past posts here, others have also mentioned that an older version of Norman AV remains available. See: http://www.norman.com/home/all_produ...single_user/en . "Any Pentium class PC running Windows 95/98/Me, Windows NT or 64 bits Windows." As with any "older" version of an AV/anti-malware product, it may function well or sufficiently for older styles of malware/crimeware, however, it will likely not recognize new methodologies being employed, hence the heuristics and on-access/on-demand scanning might give a false sense of security. Also mentioned had been NOD32 Version 2.7, although that is no longer listed as being available from the ESET web site. "Version 2.7 - Windows 95, 98, ME" See: http://kb.eset.com/esetkb/index?page...=1270970597368 . "End of support for ESET NOD32 Antivirus 2.7 ESET will begin phasing out support for ESET NOD32 Antivirus 2.7. On February 1, 2010 ESET NOD32 Antivirus 2.7 software will be removed from ESET's website and will no longer be sold. Virus Signature Database updates and customer support for NOD32 Antivirus 2.7 will be discontinued on February 1, 2012." Correct, that is why I mentioned it in my posting for PAID versions. You might be able to download NOD32 v2.7 from FileHippo.com ( http://www.filehippo.com/download_nod32/3021/ ) and purchase a license from ESET. But you'd have to contact ESET to find out if they would allow that. Cheers, Jerry There may be other AV/anti-malware PAID support versions available, however it is also difficult to determine without contacting the actual provider. __ In your other post you have questioned the usage of the "kernelex" modification to install NT only AV/anti-malware into Win9X. When considering this you MUST recognize that these programs rely upon and require aspects ONLY found within the NTs to function properly. These requirements may/generally include: * memory allocation areas and techniques to be monitored, specific to the NTs; * file accessing methodologies/handling, specific to the NTs; * user rights and other permission levels to be monitored, specific to the NTs; * files and"folders" to monitored, specific to the NTs; * system handling/services to be monitored, specific to the NTs; * and numerous other NT OS specific inclusive aspects ALL of which are required for proper functioning of the programs/applications. These aren't programs being "shoe-horned" which can then be adequately monitored or which can then be relied upon to monitor other aspects in the OS for which they are NOT designed; in fact, none of these like activities [forcing NT applications/programs into Win9X] can be claimed as even reasonably safe (such as forcing installation of WMP 10 and above, or one of the NT only browsers) as they bring with them unknown variables NOT being properly identified and monitored, and which bring with them unknown vulnerabilities into the Win9X OS environment [just as using Win9X applications in the NTs brings with it vulnerabilities which wouldn't necessarily be there otherwise]; similar examples: the recent necessity to "plug" the NTVDM vulnerability in the NTs, and the 64bit Windows versions being hacked by 32bit malware/crimeware. If it were a simple activity, then it would also be a simple matter to install ANY program into ANY OS and run/use it; of courser we should all recognize that can't be done. *EACH* OS, and at times even SP level or version, has its own specific requirements, inclusions, and coding requirements. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking http://peoplescounsel.org The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government ___--- |
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Antivirus for Win98
On 04/11/2010 03:31 AM, Jerry Martin wrote:
"MEB" wrote in message ... On 04/09/2010 03:55 PM, Henry wrote: What good free antrivrus still supports Win98 please? Avast and AVG stopped. Thanks Henry Not many that I can find; you are asking for free AV for what is considered as "niche" software.. ClamAV {ClamWin} http://www.clamwin.com/ doesn't include "on-access" or "real time" Non-free: Dr. Web has Win9X support, though not free [the cleanup tool is]. Products for Win98/Me/NT http://www.bitdefender.com/site/view...n98-Me-NT.html Nod32 Life cycle policy for F-PROT Antivirus for Windows http://www.f-prot.com/products/lifecycle_win.html http://www.f-prot.com/products/home_use/win/ http://support.kaspersky.com/wks6mp3?level=3 Likely others, but not free, or offered without corporate/business/other OS purchase. -- MEB Hello: In past posts here, others have also mentioned that an older version of Norman AV remains available. See: http://www.norman.com/home/all_produ...single_user/en . "Any Pentium class PC running Windows 95/98/Me, Windows NT or 64 bits Windows." As with any "older" version of an AV/anti-malware product, it may function well or sufficiently for older styles of malware/crimeware, however, it will likely not recognize new methodologies being employed, hence the heuristics and on-access/on-demand scanning might give a false sense of security. Also mentioned had been NOD32 Version 2.7, although that is no longer listed as being available from the ESET web site. "Version 2.7 - Windows 95, 98, ME" See: http://kb.eset.com/esetkb/index?page...=1270970597368 . "End of support for ESET NOD32 Antivirus 2.7 ESET will begin phasing out support for ESET NOD32 Antivirus 2.7. On February 1, 2010 ESET NOD32 Antivirus 2.7 software will be removed from ESET's website and will no longer be sold. Virus Signature Database updates and customer support for NOD32 Antivirus 2.7 will be discontinued on February 1, 2012." Correct, that is why I mentioned it in my posting for PAID versions. You might be able to download NOD32 v2.7 from FileHippo.com ( http://www.filehippo.com/download_nod32/3021/ ) and purchase a license from ESET. But you'd have to contact ESET to find out if they would allow that. Cheers, Jerry There may be other AV/anti-malware PAID support versions available, however it is also difficult to determine without contacting the actual provider. __ In your other post you have questioned the usage of the "kernelex" modification to install NT only AV/anti-malware into Win9X. When considering this you MUST recognize that these programs rely upon and require aspects ONLY found within the NTs to function properly. These requirements may/generally include: * memory allocation areas and techniques to be monitored, specific to the NTs; * file accessing methodologies/handling, specific to the NTs; * user rights and other permission levels to be monitored, specific to the NTs; * files and"folders" to monitored, specific to the NTs; * system handling/services to be monitored, specific to the NTs; * and numerous other NT OS specific inclusive aspects ALL of which are required for proper functioning of the programs/applications. These aren't programs being "shoe-horned" which can then be adequately monitored or which can then be relied upon to monitor other aspects in the OS for which they are NOT designed; in fact, none of these like activities [forcing NT applications/programs into Win9X] can be claimed as even reasonably safe (such as forcing installation of WMP 10 and above, or one of the NT only browsers) as they bring with them unknown variables NOT being properly identified and monitored, and which bring with them unknown vulnerabilities into the Win9X OS environment [just as using Win9X applications in the NTs brings with it vulnerabilities which wouldn't necessarily be there otherwise]; similar examples: the recent necessity to "plug" the NTVDM vulnerability in the NTs, and the 64bit Windows versions being hacked by 32bit malware/crimeware. If it were a simple activity, then it would also be a simple matter to install ANY program into ANY OS and run/use it; of courser we should all recognize that can't be done. *EACH* OS, and at times even SP level or version, has its own specific requirements, inclusions, and coding requirements. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking http://peoplescounsel.org The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government ___--- |
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Antivirus for Win98
glee wrote:
"Henry" wrote in message ... glee wrote: "Henry" wrote in message ... snip A separate question: How did you get the URL for the thread please? I went to Google Groups Advanced Search: http://groups.google.com/advanced_search Since I already knew the group and the subject title of the thread, I put this in the 'Group' field: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion and this in the 'Subject' field: Antivirus for win98 That's all I entered...just click the Advanced Search button. If I didn't know which MS group to look in, I'd use this for the 'Group' field: microsoft.public.win98.* or microsoft.public.* if I wanted more groups than win98 listed. If I don't know the particular Subject line, I'd search using words or phrases, or even Subject if it's a generic enough subject like this one. Look through the search options there....you'll get the picture. Thank you. It worked like a charm. I didn't know about http://groups.google.com/advanced_search. Is there a URL for email as well? I tried email.google.com and got an offer to start gmail. I would like to find back email threads as well. Thanks again. Henry |
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Antivirus for Win98
glee wrote:
"Henry" wrote in message ... glee wrote: "Henry" wrote in message ... snip A separate question: How did you get the URL for the thread please? I went to Google Groups Advanced Search: http://groups.google.com/advanced_search Since I already knew the group and the subject title of the thread, I put this in the 'Group' field: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion and this in the 'Subject' field: Antivirus for win98 That's all I entered...just click the Advanced Search button. If I didn't know which MS group to look in, I'd use this for the 'Group' field: microsoft.public.win98.* or microsoft.public.* if I wanted more groups than win98 listed. If I don't know the particular Subject line, I'd search using words or phrases, or even Subject if it's a generic enough subject like this one. Look through the search options there....you'll get the picture. Thank you. It worked like a charm. I didn't know about http://groups.google.com/advanced_search. Is there a URL for email as well? I tried email.google.com and got an offer to start gmail. I would like to find back email threads as well. Thanks again. Henry |
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Antivirus for Win98
"Henry" wrote in message
... glee wrote: "Henry" wrote in message ... glee wrote: "Henry" wrote in message ... snip A separate question: How did you get the URL for the thread please? I went to Google Groups Advanced Search: http://groups.google.com/advanced_search Since I already knew the group and the subject title of the thread, I put this in the 'Group' field: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion and this in the 'Subject' field: Antivirus for win98 That's all I entered...just click the Advanced Search button. If I didn't know which MS group to look in, I'd use this for the 'Group' field: microsoft.public.win98.* or microsoft.public.* if I wanted more groups than win98 listed. If I don't know the particular Subject line, I'd search using words or phrases, or even Subject if it's a generic enough subject like this one. Look through the search options there....you'll get the picture. Thank you. It worked like a charm. I didn't know about http://groups.google.com/advanced_search. Is there a URL for email as well? I tried email.google.com and got an offer to start gmail. I would like to find back email threads as well. Thanks again. Well, do you have a Gmail account? You'd need one, then you can search your own back Gmail email from within Gmail when you are logged into it. Is that what you mean? -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 A+ http://dts-l.net/ |
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Antivirus for Win98
"Henry" wrote in message
... glee wrote: "Henry" wrote in message ... glee wrote: "Henry" wrote in message ... snip A separate question: How did you get the URL for the thread please? I went to Google Groups Advanced Search: http://groups.google.com/advanced_search Since I already knew the group and the subject title of the thread, I put this in the 'Group' field: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion and this in the 'Subject' field: Antivirus for win98 That's all I entered...just click the Advanced Search button. If I didn't know which MS group to look in, I'd use this for the 'Group' field: microsoft.public.win98.* or microsoft.public.* if I wanted more groups than win98 listed. If I don't know the particular Subject line, I'd search using words or phrases, or even Subject if it's a generic enough subject like this one. Look through the search options there....you'll get the picture. Thank you. It worked like a charm. I didn't know about http://groups.google.com/advanced_search. Is there a URL for email as well? I tried email.google.com and got an offer to start gmail. I would like to find back email threads as well. Thanks again. Well, do you have a Gmail account? You'd need one, then you can search your own back Gmail email from within Gmail when you are logged into it. Is that what you mean? -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 A+ http://dts-l.net/ |
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glee wrote:
"Henry" wrote in message ... glee wrote: "Henry" wrote in message ... glee wrote: "Henry" wrote in message ... snip A separate question: How did you get the URL for the thread please? I went to Google Groups Advanced Search: http://groups.google.com/advanced_search Since I already knew the group and the subject title of the thread, I put this in the 'Group' field: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion and this in the 'Subject' field: Antivirus for win98 That's all I entered...just click the Advanced Search button. If I didn't know which MS group to look in, I'd use this for the 'Group' field: microsoft.public.win98.* or microsoft.public.* if I wanted more groups than win98 listed. If I don't know the particular Subject line, I'd search using words or phrases, or even Subject if it's a generic enough subject like this one. Look through the search options there....you'll get the picture. Thank you. It worked like a charm. I didn't know about http://groups.google.com/advanced_search. Is there a URL for email as well? I tried email.google.com and got an offer to start gmail. I would like to find back email threads as well. Thanks again. Well, do you have a Gmail account? You'd need one, then you can search your own back Gmail email from within Gmail when you are logged into it. Is that what you mean? No I don't have a gmail account. I just want to look back at *any* email threads. I use Mozilla for email, newsgroups and browser. Should we change the name of this thread? Henry |
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glee wrote:
"Henry" wrote in message ... glee wrote: "Henry" wrote in message ... glee wrote: "Henry" wrote in message ... snip A separate question: How did you get the URL for the thread please? I went to Google Groups Advanced Search: http://groups.google.com/advanced_search Since I already knew the group and the subject title of the thread, I put this in the 'Group' field: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion and this in the 'Subject' field: Antivirus for win98 That's all I entered...just click the Advanced Search button. If I didn't know which MS group to look in, I'd use this for the 'Group' field: microsoft.public.win98.* or microsoft.public.* if I wanted more groups than win98 listed. If I don't know the particular Subject line, I'd search using words or phrases, or even Subject if it's a generic enough subject like this one. Look through the search options there....you'll get the picture. Thank you. It worked like a charm. I didn't know about http://groups.google.com/advanced_search. Is there a URL for email as well? I tried email.google.com and got an offer to start gmail. I would like to find back email threads as well. Thanks again. Well, do you have a Gmail account? You'd need one, then you can search your own back Gmail email from within Gmail when you are logged into it. Is that what you mean? No I don't have a gmail account. I just want to look back at *any* email threads. I use Mozilla for email, newsgroups and browser. Should we change the name of this thread? Henry |
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"Henry" wrote in message
... glee wrote: "Henry" wrote in message ... glee wrote: "Henry" wrote in message ... glee wrote: "Henry" wrote in message ... snip A separate question: How did you get the URL for the thread please? I went to Google Groups Advanced Search: http://groups.google.com/advanced_search Since I already knew the group and the subject title of the thread, I put this in the 'Group' field: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion and this in the 'Subject' field: Antivirus for win98 That's all I entered...just click the Advanced Search button. If I didn't know which MS group to look in, I'd use this for the 'Group' field: microsoft.public.win98.* or microsoft.public.* if I wanted more groups than win98 listed. If I don't know the particular Subject line, I'd search using words or phrases, or even Subject if it's a generic enough subject like this one. Look through the search options there....you'll get the picture. Thank you. It worked like a charm. I didn't know about http://groups.google.com/advanced_search. Is there a URL for email as well? I tried email.google.com and got an offer to start gmail. I would like to find back email threads as well. Thanks again. Well, do you have a Gmail account? You'd need one, then you can search your own back Gmail email from within Gmail when you are logged into it. Is that what you mean? No I don't have a gmail account. I just want to look back at *any* email threads. I use Mozilla for email, newsgroups and browser. Should we change the name of this thread? Newsgroups, like the Internet, are public, and so are available for public search. Email is private, so no, you can't search email except your own account, and that only from within that account. If you have a web-based email like gmail or yahoo mail, you can use their tools while logged on to the web mail to search whatever mail you left on their server. If you use an email client on your computer (Outlook, Outlook Express, Thunderbird, , a browser with a built-in client, or others), you can search the email you have saved in its email database by using whatever search tool comes with the client. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 A+ http://dts-l.net/ |
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