messages on server not available

Well, the discussion was originally about how to retrieve your missing
messages, how to reset the newsgroup, and we've told you how. What I don't
understand, really, is how you can see the Local Folders and not the
Newsgroup accounts. Unless... Are you not "Subscribing" to the newsgroups?
Just signing in via the Ctrl-W dialogue and then letting it disappear? But
in that case, you're resetting the NG every time you go there. I fell that
there's some important piece of information about your layout that I'm
aren't comprehending on this side. Really, it's no big deal to change the
layout of your OE temporarily in order to do that, and then change it back
to what you're used to. But hey, it's your system.

I strongly doubt that you will be able to upgrade *that* machine to XP. What
are its basic specs (CPU speed, RAM, HDD size)?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

"Moonraker" wrote in message
...
Let me explain,

Back in 1999 we got this 'puter, it has been ill a couple of times, has
crashed two or three times, once due to a virus, have needed to reload
windows a couple of times for other reasons. and Beryl and my son (now 12)
has loaded allsorts on here.

We are still using OE that was loaded on back them, we have had no reason
to
change to be honest

At the left hand pane there is the five O/E folders, and at the top of the
page I have FILEEDIT..etc

Below that is SENDCUTCOPYon to ADDRESSESFINDNEWSGROUPS and
HEADERS

For newsgroups (this is the only one I use) (and I don't know how I would
manage without you guys) I click on newsgroups at the top of the page, or
CTRL+W, which opens the newsgroups window,I then type in 98gen and as
if
my magic you are there, as if you have just been waiting for me to have my
next crisis.

The reason for wiping my hard drive and upgrading to XP has nothing to do
with OE or newsgroups, , It has been suggested by several people,
including
my brother in law , whom I call when I cannot fix this 'puter on my own.

As I am likely to upgrade to OE 6 when I upgrade to XP There is no real
need
to worry about changing anything now .

Many thanks Steve

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Well, that sounds a little labor intensive. Even if it's only for this
purpose of resetting the NG(s), enable the Folders pane. I'm not still
clear
how you navigate between folders without the Folders pane visible, but I
can't find a decent way to reset NGs without it.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

"Moonraker" wrote in message
...
Sorry, "inbox drafts" meant inbox through to drafts including
outbox,
sent items and deleted items.

I access the newsgroup via the toolbar at the top of the page (in
between
find and headers) or by "ctrl W"

I'm quite happy with not having an icon for newsgroups on the left hand
pane.


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Then how do you get to the newsgroup? What do you click on? Where are
your
Deleted, Outbox and Sent folders?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

"Moonraker" wrote in message
...
Thanks for your help

- (4) R-Clk the NG in the left pane of OE, Properties, Local File
tab,
&
click the RESET button.
(5) R-Clk the NG in the left pane, Synchronize Settings, set to All
Messages.

I do not have "the newsgroup in the left pane of OE"

I only have inbox drafts


"PCR" wrote in message
...
I'm no gossip, &, anyhow, I doubt PA Bear hiccoughed your messages
away-- not that many! I guess some strange corruption occurred.
Therefore...

(1) "OE, File menu, Folder, Compact All Folders"
(2) At "OE, Tools menu, Message Rules, News", create a Message Rule
to
delete posts older than, say, 90 days. Also check "stop processing
more
rules".
(3) At "Tools, Options, Read tab", uncheck "Get xxx headers at a
time".
(4) R-Clk the NG in the left pane of OE, Properties, Local File
tab,
&
click the RESET button.
(5) R-Clk the NG in the left pane, Synchronize Settings, set to All
Messages.
(6) Click "Tools, Synchronize Newsgroup"

Posts older than 90 days will not download. Posts that age on your
machine after the download are your responsibility to delete, by
occasionally going to that rule & clicking "Apply Now". After that,
compact: "OE, File menu, Folder, Compact all folders".

Colorado disagrees, but there is a cave-dwelling MVP around, who
says...

(1) "OE, Tools, Options, Maintenance tab".
(2) Uncheck "Delete news messages x days after being downloaded".
(3) Uncheck "Compact messages in the background".


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Moonraker" wrote in message
...
| in maintenance, there are three check boxes at the top, only the
top
one,
| empty messages etc, is checked all the others on the box are
greyed
out
|
| when I am looking at the messages on this newsgroup it says they
are
no
| longer on server and puts a line through the heading
|
| many thanks Steve
|
| "jkb" nospam wrote in message
| ...
| Why are nearly all of the messages on this site not
available,
I
used to
| browse through old messages and could access all of them.
|
| Check OE settings: Tools - Options - Maintenance. It might
have
the
| deletion options checked. OE by defualt does.
|
|
|
|

Interesting. I'll have to seek him out, then, & give him a thrashing! He
went on a sea voyage? No, wait a minute, I'm sure I read it somewhere
too! Well, I can't find that, but...

http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;217243
OLEXP: Message Rules in Outlook Express May Not Work as Expected

I don't know. Seems confusing. I suppose I'll have to devise a test of
it, unless someone steps in with a definitive answer. PA?


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
| Never been a problem for me.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
|
| "PCR" wrote in message
| ...
| That was something Dundat came up with. In fact, this rule should be
| moved to the top as well. If "stop processing" is not used, the
message
| will be passed to the next rule-- & NOT be deleted! (Or so I
understand
| it.)
|
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|
| "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
| ...
| | "PCR" wrote in message
| | ...
| | (2) At "OE, Tools menu, Message Rules, News", create a Message
Rule to
| | delete posts older than, say, 90 days. Also check "stop
processing
| more
| | rules".
| |
| | Why stop processing more rules? I have lots of rules that apply to
NG
| posts.
| | Why would I want to stop processing after filtering for age?
| |
| | --
| | Gary S. Terhune
| | MS-MVP Shell/User
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|

No you are right, I am not subscribing to ANY newsgroups, do I need to, what
is/are the advantages.

As with the original question, It was more to find out why at the beginning
of this year , as far as I know I could look back for ever and read old
messages that related to my problems and learn from them.

Then after several months I post another message re :- MS Paint which you
guys have know fixed, And as ever I am truly grateful and humbled by your
free help, I is very rare that anybody is willing to help for no return,
thank you.

It was then that I noticed that I could not read the older messages, and
wondered why this was,

After trying to read a few, to be told that they where no longer on the
server, BUT could read ALL of my own messages back as far as Jan this
year,(although my messages are "watched" highlighted in red so maybe that is
the difference) I could not understand why the headings where being shown in
the newsgroup window, Why aren't the headings just deleted from the list
when the messages TIME EXPIRE.

Another thing that puzzled me was why I can't delete the headings like I can
in my e-mail Folders, When I try to Look at the messages I get the "no
longer on the server message" and a line is put though the heading, but it
does not disappear nor can I delete it.

Then next time I open the newsgroup the headings are back again, without the
line though it, but I still cannot read the message ,OF COARSE.

I just wanted to know what was going on that's all.

Why did I want to know, WELL, I think that the more a novice like myself
learns about anything to do with computers the more he will understand about
other things to do with computers.

You guys are so amazing, even if, as you must, you get a little bit
frustrated now and then by folk like me who compared to you know very
little.

Some times you are "talking" to people who do not know what you are on
about, and they not only have to learn how to fix something, but to a large
extent are having to do it blindfolded.

Even though I do not see a real need to change to how you suggest, I am ALW
AYS more than willing to take your advise and have a go.

Hope this clears something's up. And I will probably be back to ask some
more question, if I may

Many Thanks Steve
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Well, the discussion was originally about how to retrieve your missing
messages, how to reset the newsgroup, and we've told you how. What I don't
understand, really, is how you can see the Local Folders and not the
Newsgroup accounts. Unless... Are you not "Subscribing" to the newsgroups?
Just signing in via the Ctrl-W dialogue and then letting it disappear? But
in that case, you're resetting the NG every time you go there. I fell that
there's some important piece of information about your layout that I'm
aren't comprehending on this side. Really, it's no big deal to change the
layout of your OE temporarily in order to do that, and then change it back
to what you're used to. But hey, it's your system.

I strongly doubt that you will be able to upgrade *that* machine to XP.
What
are its basic specs (CPU speed, RAM, HDD size)?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

"Moonraker" wrote in message
...
Let me explain,

Back in 1999 we got this 'puter, it has been ill a couple of times, has
crashed two or three times, once due to a virus, have needed to reload
windows a couple of times for other reasons. and Beryl and my son (now
12)
has loaded allsorts on here.

We are still using OE that was loaded on back them, we have had no
reason
to
change to be honest

At the left hand pane there is the five O/E folders, and at the top of
the
page I have FILEEDIT..etc

Below that is SENDCUTCOPYon to ADDRESSESFINDNEWSGROUPS and
HEADERS

For newsgroups (this is the only one I use) (and I don't know how I
would
manage without you guys) I click on newsgroups at the top of the page,
or
CTRL+W, which opens the newsgroups window,I then type in 98gen and as
if
my magic you are there, as if you have just been waiting for me to have
my
next crisis.

The reason for wiping my hard drive and upgrading to XP has nothing to
do
with OE or newsgroups, , It has been suggested by several people,
including
my brother in law , whom I call when I cannot fix this 'puter on my own.

As I am likely to upgrade to OE 6 when I upgrade to XP There is no real
need
to worry about changing anything now .

Many thanks Steve

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Well, that sounds a little labor intensive. Even if it's only for this
purpose of resetting the NG(s), enable the Folders pane. I'm not still
clear
how you navigate between folders without the Folders pane visible, but
I
can't find a decent way to reset NGs without it.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

"Moonraker" wrote in message
...
Sorry, "inbox drafts" meant inbox through to drafts including
outbox,
sent items and deleted items.

I access the newsgroup via the toolbar at the top of the page (in
between
find and headers) or by "ctrl W"

I'm quite happy with not having an icon for newsgroups on the left
hand
pane.


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Then how do you get to the newsgroup? What do you click on? Where
are
your
Deleted, Outbox and Sent folders?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

"Moonraker" wrote in message
...
Thanks for your help

- (4) R-Clk the NG in the left pane of OE, Properties, Local
File
tab,
&
click the RESET button.
(5) R-Clk the NG in the left pane, Synchronize Settings, set to
All
Messages.

I do not have "the newsgroup in the left pane of OE"

I only have inbox drafts


"PCR" wrote in message
...
I'm no gossip, &, anyhow, I doubt PA Bear hiccoughed your
messages
away-- not that many! I guess some strange corruption occurred.
Therefore...

(1) "OE, File menu, Folder, Compact All Folders"
(2) At "OE, Tools menu, Message Rules, News", create a Message
Rule
to
delete posts older than, say, 90 days. Also check "stop
processing
more
rules".
(3) At "Tools, Options, Read tab", uncheck "Get xxx headers at a
time".
(4) R-Clk the NG in the left pane of OE, Properties, Local File
tab,
&
click the RESET button.
(5) R-Clk the NG in the left pane, Synchronize Settings, set to
All
Messages.
(6) Click "Tools, Synchronize Newsgroup"

Posts older than 90 days will not download. Posts that age on
your
machine after the download are your responsibility to delete, by
occasionally going to that rule & clicking "Apply Now". After
that,
compact: "OE, File menu, Folder, Compact all folders".

Colorado disagrees, but there is a cave-dwelling MVP around, who
says...

(1) "OE, Tools, Options, Maintenance tab".
(2) Uncheck "Delete news messages x days after being downloaded".
(3) Uncheck "Compact messages in the background".


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Moonraker" wrote in message
...
| in maintenance, there are three check boxes at the top, only
the
top
one,
| empty messages etc, is checked all the others on the box are
greyed
out
|
| when I am looking at the messages on this newsgroup it says
they
are
no
| longer on server and puts a line through the heading
|
| many thanks Steve
|
| "jkb" nospam wrote in message
| ...
| Why are nearly all of the messages on this site not
available,
I
used to
| browse through old messages and could access all of them.
|
| Check OE settings: Tools - Options - Maintenance. It might
have
the
| deletion options checked. OE by defualt does.
|
|
|
|

OH!! Have just looked at the "newsgroup subscription window, and, clicked on
the subscribed tab , and it would appear that I am subscribed to the six or
seven newsgroups I have posted in. All to do with win98........

Cheers Steve

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Well, the discussion was originally about how to retrieve your missing
messages, how to reset the newsgroup, and we've told you how. What I don't
understand, really, is how you can see the Local Folders and not the
Newsgroup accounts. Unless... Are you not "Subscribing" to the newsgroups?
Just signing in via the Ctrl-W dialogue and then letting it disappear? But
in that case, you're resetting the NG every time you go there. I fell that
there's some important piece of information about your layout that I'm
aren't comprehending on this side. Really, it's no big deal to change the
layout of your OE temporarily in order to do that, and then change it back
to what you're used to. But hey, it's your system.

I strongly doubt that you will be able to upgrade *that* machine to XP.
What
are its basic specs (CPU speed, RAM, HDD size)?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

"Moonraker" wrote in message
...
Let me explain,

Back in 1999 we got this 'puter, it has been ill a couple of times, has
crashed two or three times, once due to a virus, have needed to reload
windows a couple of times for other reasons. and Beryl and my son (now
12)
has loaded allsorts on here.

We are still using OE that was loaded on back them, we have had no
reason
to
change to be honest

At the left hand pane there is the five O/E folders, and at the top of
the
page I have FILEEDIT..etc

Below that is SENDCUTCOPYon to ADDRESSESFINDNEWSGROUPS and
HEADERS

For newsgroups (this is the only one I use) (and I don't know how I
would
manage without you guys) I click on newsgroups at the top of the page,
or
CTRL+W, which opens the newsgroups window,I then type in 98gen and as
if
my magic you are there, as if you have just been waiting for me to have
my
next crisis.

The reason for wiping my hard drive and upgrading to XP has nothing to
do
with OE or newsgroups, , It has been suggested by several people,
including
my brother in law , whom I call when I cannot fix this 'puter on my own.

As I am likely to upgrade to OE 6 when I upgrade to XP There is no real
need
to worry about changing anything now .

Many thanks Steve

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Well, that sounds a little labor intensive. Even if it's only for this
purpose of resetting the NG(s), enable the Folders pane. I'm not still
clear
how you navigate between folders without the Folders pane visible, but
I
can't find a decent way to reset NGs without it.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

"Moonraker" wrote in message
...
Sorry, "inbox drafts" meant inbox through to drafts including
outbox,
sent items and deleted items.

I access the newsgroup via the toolbar at the top of the page (in
between
find and headers) or by "ctrl W"

I'm quite happy with not having an icon for newsgroups on the left
hand
pane.


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Then how do you get to the newsgroup? What do you click on? Where
are
your
Deleted, Outbox and Sent folders?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

"Moonraker" wrote in message
...
Thanks for your help

- (4) R-Clk the NG in the left pane of OE, Properties, Local
File
tab,
&
click the RESET button.
(5) R-Clk the NG in the left pane, Synchronize Settings, set to
All
Messages.

I do not have "the newsgroup in the left pane of OE"

I only have inbox drafts


"PCR" wrote in message
...
I'm no gossip, &, anyhow, I doubt PA Bear hiccoughed your
messages
away-- not that many! I guess some strange corruption occurred.
Therefore...

(1) "OE, File menu, Folder, Compact All Folders"
(2) At "OE, Tools menu, Message Rules, News", create a Message
Rule
to
delete posts older than, say, 90 days. Also check "stop
processing
more
rules".
(3) At "Tools, Options, Read tab", uncheck "Get xxx headers at a
time".
(4) R-Clk the NG in the left pane of OE, Properties, Local File
tab,
&
click the RESET button.
(5) R-Clk the NG in the left pane, Synchronize Settings, set to
All
Messages.
(6) Click "Tools, Synchronize Newsgroup"

Posts older than 90 days will not download. Posts that age on
your
machine after the download are your responsibility to delete, by
occasionally going to that rule & clicking "Apply Now". After
that,
compact: "OE, File menu, Folder, Compact all folders".

Colorado disagrees, but there is a cave-dwelling MVP around, who
says...

(1) "OE, Tools, Options, Maintenance tab".
(2) Uncheck "Delete news messages x days after being downloaded".
(3) Uncheck "Compact messages in the background".


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Moonraker" wrote in message
...
| in maintenance, there are three check boxes at the top, only
the
top
one,
| empty messages etc, is checked all the others on the box are
greyed
out
|
| when I am looking at the messages on this newsgroup it says
they
are
no
| longer on server and puts a line through the heading
|
| many thanks Steve
|
| "jkb" nospam wrote in message
| ...
| Why are nearly all of the messages on this site not
available,
I
used to
| browse through old messages and could access all of them.
|
| Check OE settings: Tools - Options - Maintenance. It might
have
the
| deletion options checked. OE by defualt does.
|
|
|
|

Interesting article. Maybe I'll play with it, too. Next decade, when I have
the time, g.

Alas, I suspect poor George has been lost at sea. I haven't been able to
track him down, and believe me, I've tried. Yes, last I heard, he was headed
to sea, over a year ago, expecting some real good fishing. Maybe the fishing
was *too* good and he couldn't make himself stop hauling them in, until he
swamped the boat.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

"PCR" wrote in message
...
Interesting. I'll have to seek him out, then, & give him a thrashing! He
went on a sea voyage? No, wait a minute, I'm sure I read it somewhere
too! Well, I can't find that, but...

http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;217243
OLEXP: Message Rules in Outlook Express May Not Work as Expected

I don't know. Seems confusing. I suppose I'll have to devise a test of
it, unless someone steps in with a definitive answer. PA?


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
| Never been a problem for me.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
|
| "PCR" wrote in message
| ...
| That was something Dundat came up with. In fact, this rule should be
| moved to the top as well. If "stop processing" is not used, the
message
| will be passed to the next rule-- & NOT be deleted! (Or so I
understand
| it.)
|
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|
| "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
| ...
| | "PCR" wrote in message
| | ...
| | (2) At "OE, Tools menu, Message Rules, News", create a Message
Rule to
| | delete posts older than, say, 90 days. Also check "stop
processing
| more
| | rules".
| |
| | Why stop processing more rules? I have lots of rules that apply to
NG
| posts.
| | Why would I want to stop processing after filtering for age?
| |
| | --
| | Gary S. Terhune
| | MS-MVP Shell/User
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|

As you note in the next message, you *are* subscribed to at least a few
groups. I'm a bit too frazzled right now to get into the differences between
subscribing and just dropping in without subscribing. I'm still having a
hard time picturing what your OE layout looks like, why you can't get to the
Reset option for an NG. As for deleting headers, you should be able to do
that. However, the whole newsgroup system is a complicated one, and I'm
simply not up to attempting a decent tutorial. In all, with everything
you've described, I suspect your installation is corrupted, but it may
simply be a question of layout and the way you set up your options. Or maybe
we're just stuck in terminology.

As you say, it can be difficult to figure out what's happening on the other
end when we're offering advice here, but in fact, that's *the* main
qualification for an MVP and others of the same ilk. Being able to visualize
layouts, figuring out what the correspondent is trying to describe when
there are so many possible configurations, not to mention the infinite
possibilities for confusion offered by the language... That's what we're
here for, what we really enjoy doing, particularly in the groups where
"consumer" users abound.

But, congratulations! You've managed to stump me. Not sure I could finally
figure out everything that's going on for you without seeing it in person.
Alas, I'm getting more and more cramped for time, so I'm going to have to
leave you now, at least on this particular issue. It's not just the time,
it's my brain. It's getting too stuffed with various projects I have going
on, and I can't make it settle down and suss out your issue properly. Sorry.

Oh, and you didn't respond to anything I asked about your plan to upgrade to
XP.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

"Moonraker" wrote in message
...
No you are right, I am not subscribing to ANY newsgroups, do I need to,
what
is/are the advantages.

As with the original question, It was more to find out why at the
beginning
of this year , as far as I know I could look back for ever and read old
messages that related to my problems and learn from them.

Then after several months I post another message re :- MS Paint which you
guys have know fixed, And as ever I am truly grateful and humbled by your
free help, I is very rare that anybody is willing to help for no return,
thank you.

It was then that I noticed that I could not read the older messages, and
wondered why this was,

After trying to read a few, to be told that they where no longer on the
server, BUT could read ALL of my own messages back as far as Jan this
year,(although my messages are "watched" highlighted in red so maybe that
is
the difference) I could not understand why the headings where being shown
in
the newsgroup window, Why aren't the headings just deleted from the list
when the messages TIME EXPIRE.

Another thing that puzzled me was why I can't delete the headings like I
can
in my e-mail Folders, When I try to Look at the messages I get the "no
longer on the server message" and a line is put though the heading, but it
does not disappear nor can I delete it.

Then next time I open the newsgroup the headings are back again, without
the
line though it, but I still cannot read the message ,OF COARSE.

I just wanted to know what was going on that's all.

Why did I want to know, WELL, I think that the more a novice like myself
learns about anything to do with computers the more he will understand
about
other things to do with computers.

You guys are so amazing, even if, as you must, you get a little bit
frustrated now and then by folk like me who compared to you know very
little.

Some times you are "talking" to people who do not know what you are on
about, and they not only have to learn how to fix something, but to a
large
extent are having to do it blindfolded.

Even though I do not see a real need to change to how you suggest, I am
ALW
AYS more than willing to take your advise and have a go.

Hope this clears something's up. And I will probably be back to ask some
more question, if I may

Many Thanks Steve
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Well, the discussion was originally about how to retrieve your missing
messages, how to reset the newsgroup, and we've told you how. What I
don't
understand, really, is how you can see the Local Folders and not the
Newsgroup accounts. Unless... Are you not "Subscribing" to the
newsgroups?
Just signing in via the Ctrl-W dialogue and then letting it disappear?
But
in that case, you're resetting the NG every time you go there. I fell
that
there's some important piece of information about your layout that I'm
aren't comprehending on this side. Really, it's no big deal to change the
layout of your OE temporarily in order to do that, and then change it
back
to what you're used to. But hey, it's your system.

I strongly doubt that you will be able to upgrade *that* machine to XP.
What
are its basic specs (CPU speed, RAM, HDD size)?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

"Moonraker" wrote in message
...
Let me explain,

Back in 1999 we got this 'puter, it has been ill a couple of times, has
crashed two or three times, once due to a virus, have needed to reload
windows a couple of times for other reasons. and Beryl and my son (now
12)
has loaded allsorts on here.

We are still using OE that was loaded on back them, we have had no
reason
to
change to be honest

At the left hand pane there is the five O/E folders, and at the top of
the
page I have FILEEDIT..etc

Below that is SENDCUTCOPYon to ADDRESSESFINDNEWSGROUPS and
HEADERS

For newsgroups (this is the only one I use) (and I don't know how I
would
manage without you guys) I click on newsgroups at the top of the page,
or
CTRL+W, which opens the newsgroups window,I then type in 98gen and
as
if
my magic you are there, as if you have just been waiting for me to have
my
next crisis.

The reason for wiping my hard drive and upgrading to XP has nothing to
do
with OE or newsgroups, , It has been suggested by several people,
including
my brother in law , whom I call when I cannot fix this 'puter on my
own.

As I am likely to upgrade to OE 6 when I upgrade to XP There is no real
need
to worry about changing anything now .

Many thanks Steve

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Well, that sounds a little labor intensive. Even if it's only for this
purpose of resetting the NG(s), enable the Folders pane. I'm not still
clear
how you navigate between folders without the Folders pane visible, but
I
can't find a decent way to reset NGs without it.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

"Moonraker" wrote in message
...
Sorry, "inbox drafts" meant inbox through to drafts including
outbox,
sent items and deleted items.

I access the newsgroup via the toolbar at the top of the page (in
between
find and headers) or by "ctrl W"

I'm quite happy with not having an icon for newsgroups on the left
hand
pane.


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Then how do you get to the newsgroup? What do you click on? Where
are
your
Deleted, Outbox and Sent folders?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

"Moonraker" wrote in message
...
Thanks for your help

- (4) R-Clk the NG in the left pane of OE, Properties, Local
File
tab,
&
click the RESET button.
(5) R-Clk the NG in the left pane, Synchronize Settings, set to
All
Messages.

I do not have "the newsgroup in the left pane of OE"

I only have inbox drafts


"PCR" wrote in message
...
I'm no gossip, &, anyhow, I doubt PA Bear hiccoughed your
messages
away-- not that many! I guess some strange corruption occurred.
Therefore...

(1) "OE, File menu, Folder, Compact All Folders"
(2) At "OE, Tools menu, Message Rules, News", create a Message
Rule
to
delete posts older than, say, 90 days. Also check "stop
processing
more
rules".
(3) At "Tools, Options, Read tab", uncheck "Get xxx headers at a
time".
(4) R-Clk the NG in the left pane of OE, Properties, Local File
tab,
&
click the RESET button.
(5) R-Clk the NG in the left pane, Synchronize Settings, set to
All
Messages.
(6) Click "Tools, Synchronize Newsgroup"

Posts older than 90 days will not download. Posts that age on
your
machine after the download are your responsibility to delete, by
occasionally going to that rule & clicking "Apply Now". After
that,
compact: "OE, File menu, Folder, Compact all folders".

Colorado disagrees, but there is a cave-dwelling MVP around, who
says...

(1) "OE, Tools, Options, Maintenance tab".
(2) Uncheck "Delete news messages x days after being
downloaded".
(3) Uncheck "Compact messages in the background".


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Moonraker" wrote in message
...
| in maintenance, there are three check boxes at the top, only
the
top
one,
| empty messages etc, is checked all the others on the box
are
greyed
out
|
| when I am looking at the messages on this newsgroup it says
they
are
no
| longer on server and puts a line through the heading
|
| many thanks Steve
|
| "jkb" nospam wrote in message
| ...
| Why are nearly all of the messages on this site not
available,
I
used to
| browse through old messages and could access all of them.
|
| Check OE settings: Tools - Options - Maintenance. It might
have
the
| deletion options checked. OE by defualt does.
|
|
|
|

And no newsgroups or newsservers appear in Folders pane?
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), AH-VSOP

Moonraker wrote:
OH!! Have just looked at the "newsgroup subscription window, and, clicked
on the subscribed tab , and it would appear that I am subscribed to the
six or seven newsgroups I have posted in. All to do with win98

Moonraker wrote:
Back in 1999 we got this 'puter, it has been ill a couple of times, has
crashed two or three times, once due to a virus, have needed to reload
windows a couple of times for other reasons. and Beryl and my son (now 12)
has loaded allsorts on here.

We are still using OE that was loaded on back them, we have had no reason
to change to be honest

Running a secure-as-possible machine isn't a good reason?
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), AH-VSOP

Moonraker wrote:
snip
It was then that I noticed that I could not read the older messages, and
wondered why this was,

After trying to read a few, to be told that they where no longer on the
server...

OE will only display messages currently on the server. The default for the
MS newsserver is a 90-day retention. If a message is deleted from the
newsserver, it *will* be deleted in OE the next time you poll the newsserver
for messages. The only way to archive newsgroup posts in OE is to Copy them
to a user-created local folder.

Another thing that puzzled me was why I can't delete the headings like I
can in my e-mail Folders...

Moonraker, I invite you to post your OE-specific questions to (and
participate in) an OE-specific newsgroup:

OE General newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...xpress.general
*Win98/OE-specific newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...outlookexpress
OE6-specific newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...tlooke xpress

*Tip: Don't expect this one to be around much longer, at least on the MS
newsserver.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), AH-VSOP

In a word "no there don't"

"PA Bear" wrote in message
...
And no newsgroups or newsservers appear in Folders pane?
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (IE/OE, Shell/User, Security), AH-VSOP

Moonraker wrote:
OH!! Have just looked at the "newsgroup subscription window, and,
clicked
on the subscribed tab , and it would appear that I am subscribed to the
six or seven newsgroups I have posted in. All to do with win98