Disk Recovery ( Computer Failure )

The start of this new Post regarding the ‘Computer Failure’ Post was
suggested by “MEB�, and rightly so, as the that earlier Post was creating
some confusion.

As was discussed in the ‘Computer Failure’ Post, the Microtime Computer,
that I have been using for several years, has failed and I find it rather
difficult to get it operational, again. There is a Primary Master and a
Secondary Master HD’s installed in it. There are folders in both that have
Data that I would like to recover. A more recent Computer, a Sony VAIO,
that I am currently using, appears to have all that I would need to connect
those HD’s and recover the desired Data and back up the same, if desired,
on CD’s or Iomega Zip 250 MB Disks. The only obstacle is of possible
compatibility issues.

Some of what follows has been mentioned in various replies in the prior
Post. Some new information has been added, since.

In the Sony there is no Secondary Master, although the Primary Master has
two partitions, as “MEB� indicated and as shown by the System Information
pane of the Components/Storage Disks:
IDE Type 47, Partitions 2 total 57..27GB.
Disk 0, Partition 0, 15.63GB (shown as Local Disk C: in ‘My Computer’})
Disk 0, Partition 1, 41.64GB (shown as Local Disk D

Additionally, although not sure if it might be relevant, the following was
also obtained.from the System Information panes (thru
StartAccessoriesSystem Information):
OS: Microsoft Windows, Version 4-90-3000 Build 3000
System Name: VAIO (Sony Corp)
System Model: PCV-RX370DS(UC)
System Type: X86 based PC
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1300MHz GenuineIntel 1296Mhz
Bios Version: Award Medallion BIOS v6.0
Total Physical Memory: 127.43 MB
Available Physical Memory: 2.07 MB
Total Virtual Memory: 2.0 GB
Available Virtual Memory: 1.77 GB
Page File Space: 1.88 GB

On the Disks pane:
Description: GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE47
Manufacturer: (Standard disk drives)
Model: IDE DISK TYPE47
Media Loaded: Yes
Media Type: Fixed hard disk media
Partitions: 2
Size: 57.27 GB
Partition: Disk #0, Partition #0
Partition Size: 15.63 GB
Partition: Disk #0, Partition #1
Partition Size: 41.64 GB

The IRQ Pane listed several. The ones related to the IDE’s (to my thinking)
a
IRQ 3 shows 3 times. One is for Intel 82801 BA/BAM SMBus Controller - 2443
IRQ 9 shows 10 times. Two of them pertain to the USB Ports:
- Intel 82801 BA/BAM USB Universal Host Controller #1
- Intel 82801 BA/BAM USB Universal Host Controller #2
IRQ 14 - Intel 82801 BA ULTRA ATA Storage Controller
- Primary IDE Controller (Dual FIFO)
IRQ 15 - Intel 82801 BA ULTRA ATA Storage Controller
- Secondary IDE Controller (Dual FIFO)

System, arrived at thru StartSettingsControl Panel, shows this (In brief):
MS Windows ME 4.90.3000
Mfd and Supported by Sony Electr. Inc. - V32B5.0.0/ENV
Genuine Intel - Intel[R] Pentium[R] 4 CPU - 128 MB RAM

From the Device Manager Display:
CD_ROM:
- Pioneer DVD -ROM DVD-115R
- Sony CD-RW CRX140E

DISK DRIVE:
- Generic IDE Disk Type47
- Generic Floppy Disk
- Iomega Zip 250

HD Controllers:
- Intel 82801BA Ultra ATA Storage Controller
- Primary IDE Controller (Dual FIFO)
- Secondary IDE Controller (Dual FIFO)

While the Sony is booting, this appears:
Diskette A: 1.44, 3.5 in.
Diskette B: None
Primary Master 61492 GB, UDMA 5
Primary Slave: None
Secondary Master: CD_ROM, UDMA 2
Secondary Slave: CD_ROM. UDMA 2
and
Serial Port: 3F8
Parallel Port: 378
Dram Type: RDRAM
SPD on Modules: Yes
Data Integrity: NON-ECC

Looking at the jumper selection area of the Sony’s HD. I see 2 rows of
pins. There is a jumper on the leftmost pair of pins (top & bottom) closest
to the Cable connection and another jumper between the top&bottom pins at the
opposite end, or the end closest to the power cable.
The storage HD from the failed Computer has similar layout, but the only
jumper is at the last top 2 pins closest to the power cable. Again, I assume
that it might be OK to connect this HD on the freed up connector of the Sony.
As mentioned, the HD, referred by me as Storage HD, had been configured as a
Primary Slave in the Computer that had failed.
I allowed my curiosity to see if, by connecting the existing Primary Master
HD to the end connector of the cable, I might cause any problem. All went
well. I was further tempted to connect the storage HD from the failed
Computer, but I did not, hoping to first get your ideas about doing so.
The label on the storage HD shows its ID as:
IBM OE - Model: DTTA-351010 E182115 HG
P/N: 00K4091 10.1GB - MLC: F02573
CHS: 16383/16/63
LBA: 19.807.200 Sectors

Hopefully, this will mean something to you, “MEB� or anyone else able to help.
Thank you in advance for any reply!

"BAP" wrote in message
...

As was discussed in the 'Computer Failure' Post, the Microtime Computer,
that I have been using for several years, has failed and I find it rather
difficult to get it operational, again. There is a Primary Master and a
Secondary Master HD's installed in it. There are folders in both that have
Data that I would like to recover. A more recent Computer, a Sony VAIO,
that I am currently using, appears to have all that I would need to
connect
those HD's and recover the desired Data and back up the same, if desired,
on CD's or Iomega Zip 250 MB Disks. The only obstacle is of possible
compatibility issues.

"Compatibility" of various types of Operating System
almost never affects data.

If the Microtime boots and has an Ethernet card, your
fastest solution would be to join it to the Sony with
an Ethernet cable, and copy data to the Sony.

If not, connect the Microtime drives to the Sony as
IDE drives (one by one) and copy the data over.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

BAP wrote:

snip all

You are making what you want to do just WAAAYY harder than it is. All
you need do is remove a drive from the old computer, put it in the new
computer, boot and then copy the files you want.

The only thing that makes a drive "master", slave", or "cable select"
is the position of the jumper on the back of the drive. Different
manufacturers may have different positions for the same thing but
there is normally a self explanatory diagram on the back of the drive;
if not, you can determine the correct jumper position for whatever at
the manufacturer's site.

When putting old drive in new machine you can either hook it to the
primary IDE cable or the secondary one. If to the primary, you would
want old drive jumpered as slave as the new, existing drive is master.
If you hook it to the secondary channel, it can be either master or
slave. If it were me, I'd make it master after unhooking any CD/DVD
drives from that channel.



--

dadiOH
____________________________

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"BAP" wrote in message
...
| The start of this new Post regarding the 'Computer Failure' Post was
| suggested by "MEB", and rightly so, as the that earlier Post was creating
| some confusion.
|
| As was discussed in the 'Computer Failure' Post, the Microtime Computer,
| that I have been using for several years, has failed and I find it rather
| difficult to get it operational, again. There is a Primary Master and a
| Secondary Master HD's installed in it. There are folders in both that have
| Data that I would like to recover. A more recent Computer, a Sony VAIO,
| that I am currently using, appears to have all that I would need to
connect
| those HD's and recover the desired Data and back up the same, if desired,
| on CD's or Iomega Zip 250 MB Disks. The only obstacle is of possible
| compatibility issues.
|
| Some of what follows has been mentioned in various replies in the prior
| Post. Some new information has been added, since.
|
| In the Sony there is no Secondary Master, although the Primary Master has
| two partitions, as "MEB" indicated and as shown by the System Information
| pane of the Components/Storage Disks:
| IDE Type 47, Partitions 2 total 57..27GB.
| Disk 0, Partition 0, 15.63GB (shown as Local Disk C: in 'My Computer'})
| Disk 0, Partition 1, 41.64GB (shown as Local Disk D
|
| Additionally, although not sure if it might be relevant, the following was
| also obtained.from the System Information panes (thru
| StartAccessoriesSystem Information):
| OS: Microsoft Windows, Version 4-90-3000 Build 3000
| System Name: VAIO (Sony Corp)
| System Model: PCV-RX370DS(UC)
| System Type: X86 based PC
| Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1300MHz GenuineIntel 1296Mhz
| Bios Version: Award Medallion BIOS v6.0
| Total Physical Memory: 127.43 MB
| Available Physical Memory: 2.07 MB
| Total Virtual Memory: 2.0 GB
| Available Virtual Memory: 1.77 GB
| Page File Space: 1.88 GB
|
| On the Disks pane:
| Description: GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE47
| Manufacturer: (Standard disk drives)
| Model: IDE DISK TYPE47
| Media Loaded: Yes
| Media Type: Fixed hard disk media
| Partitions: 2
| Size: 57.27 GB
| Partition: Disk #0, Partition #0
| Partition Size: 15.63 GB
| Partition: Disk #0, Partition #1
| Partition Size: 41.64 GB
|
| The IRQ Pane listed several. The ones related to the IDE's (to my
thinking)
| a
| IRQ 3 shows 3 times. One is for Intel 82801 BA/BAM SMBus Controller - 2443
| IRQ 9 shows 10 times. Two of them pertain to the USB Ports:
| - Intel 82801 BA/BAM USB Universal Host Controller #1
| - Intel 82801 BA/BAM USB Universal Host Controller #2
| IRQ 14 - Intel 82801 BA ULTRA ATA Storage Controller
| - Primary IDE Controller (Dual FIFO)
| IRQ 15 - Intel 82801 BA ULTRA ATA Storage Controller
| - Secondary IDE Controller (Dual FIFO)
|
| System, arrived at thru StartSettingsControl Panel, shows this (In
brief):
| MS Windows ME 4.90.3000
| Mfd and Supported by Sony Electr. Inc. - V32B5.0.0/ENV
| Genuine Intel - Intel[R] Pentium[R] 4 CPU - 128 MB RAM
|
| From the Device Manager Display:
| CD_ROM:
| - Pioneer DVD -ROM DVD-115R
| - Sony CD-RW CRX140E
|
| DISK DRIVE:
| - Generic IDE Disk Type47
| - Generic Floppy Disk
| - Iomega Zip 250
|
| HD Controllers:
| - Intel 82801BA Ultra ATA Storage Controller
| - Primary IDE Controller (Dual FIFO)
| - Secondary IDE Controller (Dual FIFO)
|
| While the Sony is booting, this appears:
| Diskette A: 1.44, 3.5 in.
| Diskette B: None
| Primary Master 61492 GB, UDMA 5
| Primary Slave: None
| Secondary Master: CD_ROM, UDMA 2
| Secondary Slave: CD_ROM. UDMA 2
| and
| Serial Port: 3F8
| Parallel Port: 378
| Dram Type: RDRAM
| SPD on Modules: Yes
| Data Integrity: NON-ECC
|
| Looking at the jumper selection area of the Sony's HD. I see 2 rows of
| pins. There is a jumper on the leftmost pair of pins (top & bottom) closes
t
| to the Cable connection and another jumper between the top&bottom pins at
the
| opposite end, or the end closest to the power cable.
| The storage HD from the failed Computer has similar layout, but the only
| jumper is at the last top 2 pins closest to the power cable. Again, I
assume
| that it might be OK to connect this HD on the freed up connector of the
Sony.
| As mentioned, the HD, referred by me as Storage HD, had been configured
as a
| Primary Slave in the Computer that had failed.
| I allowed my curiosity to see if, by connecting the existing Primary
Master
| HD to the end connector of the cable, I might cause any problem. All went
| well. I was further tempted to connect the storage HD from the failed
| Computer, but I did not, hoping to first get your ideas about doing so.
| The label on the storage HD shows its ID as:
| IBM OE - Model: DTTA-351010 E182115 HG
| P/N: 00K4091 10.1GB - MLC: F02573
| CHS: 16383/16/63
| LBA: 19.807.200 Sectors
|
| Hopefully, this will mean something to you, "MEB" or anyone else able to
help.
| Thank you in advance for any reply!

One issue you failed to mention, which may or will be an issue, is that the
other target drive [OS disk} had to be started in the other system by using
a boot disk or other work around. But we can work from this {BTW, good
information to work from, thanks}. I had also created a new posting for your
VAIO attempt, which outlines what had been found to that point * Sony
VAIO - WinME - hard drive usage and data recovery *. But we can work from
here with this new information, as long as everyone reviews the other
postings as well so redundant suggestions aren't provided.

I also created two new posts for your other computers:
Risys running Win31 - 98SE disk recovery
Microtime - Win98SE - computer diagnostics and repair

There is a small program which might provide some useful information
provided by MiTeC:
http://www.mitec.cz/Downloads/msi.zip - 782K - system information - goto
Storage Physical Devices for drive identification
http://www.mitec.cz/ - main page with tools

You can likely go ahead and try to connect the DATA drive to the VAIO as it
may already configured as SLAVE *IF* it was on the same cable as the
other/OS drive in the Microtime. Some info he
http://support.gateway.com/support/m...5896/05896.htm

If the drive works, pull the data off.

Checking for that drive shows it is actually a Hitachi drive DeskStar 16GP:
http://www.hitachigst.com/tech/techl.../Deskstar_16GP
Check those Hitachi jumpers!

You can also try the drive fitness test, but do use no destructive tests
until you recover the data:
http://www.hgst.com/hdd/support/download.htm#DFT
http://www.hgst.com/hdd/support/down...2_v412_b01.EXE Windows
creator, or
http://www.hgst.com/hdd/support/down...01_install.IMG - if
you already have a diskette program like WinImage installed



--

MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
_________

"BAP" wrote in message
...
The start of this new Post regarding the ‘Computer Failure’ Post was
suggested by “MEB�, and rightly so, as the that earlier Post was creating
some confusion.
massive snip
System Name: VAIO (Sony Corp)
System Model: PCV-RX370DS(UC)
System Type: X86 based PC
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1300MHz GenuineIntel 1296Mhz
Bios Version: Award Medallion BIOS v6.0
snip
The label on the storage HD shows its ID as:
IBM OE - Model: DTTA-351010 E182115 HG

Deskstar 16GP Jumper settings
http://hgst.com/hdd/support/dtta6/dtta6jum.htm

You should most likely use the four pictures under the heading "16 Logical Head" to
determine the jumper setting you want.

If you are slaving the drive to the Sony's drive, on the same IDE cable, and the
Sony's drive is set as Master, then set the added drive as "Device 1 (Slave)"

If the Sony's drive is set as "Cable Select", then set the added drive the same way.

You need to identify the Sony's hard drive manufacturer to tell what the jumpers are
currently set at, unless you can see the jumper settings on the drive label on the
face of the drive.

EVEREST Free Edition:
http://www.majorgeeks.com/EVEREST_Fr...ion_d4181.html

Run Everest, select Storage Physical drives, on the left, and find the
manufacturers of your installed hard drives.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
http://dts-l.net/
http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm

"Don Phillipson" wrote:

"BAP" wrote in message
...

As was discussed in the 'Computer Failure' Post, the Microtime Computer,
that I have been using for several years, has failed and I find it rather
difficult to get it operational, again. There is a Primary Master and a
Secondary Master HD's installed in it. There are folders in both that have
Data that I would like to recover. A more recent Computer, a Sony VAIO,
that I am currently using, appears to have all that I would need to
connect
those HD's and recover the desired Data and back up the same, if desired,
on CD's or Iomega Zip 250 MB Disks. The only obstacle is of possible
compatibility issues.

"Compatibility" of various types of Operating System
almost never affects data.

If the Microtime boots and has an Ethernet card, your
fastest solution would be to join it to the Sony with
an Ethernet cable, and copy data to the Sony.

****
Don, when problems started showing up, the Microtime Computer would boot up
with some difficulties, but, if it did, it would not detect the CD_ROM or
the internal Iomega 250 MB Zip Drive. Not long after, it has began to refuse
to continue booting claiming that it does not see a Keyboard or that it is
locked. I tried a different working Keyboard, but no-go. There is a KeySet,
but no Key for me to use.
“MEB� suggested to unplug its wires from the motherboard. Still no-go. I
tried, on my own, to short out the contacts at the motherboard, but still
no-go.
Cleaning the area where the Keyboard is plugged in did not make any
difference.
The Sony does have an Ethernet card/connector. If the Microtime were
booting, where would you connect the cable on it?
Thanks for your reply!
***

If not, connect the Microtime drives to the Sony as
IDE drives (one by one) and copy the data over.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

"dadiOH" wrote:

BAP wrote:

snip all

You are making what you want to do just WAAAYY harder than it is. All
you need do is remove a drive from the old computer, put it in the new
computer, boot and then copy the files you want.

The only thing that makes a drive "master", slave", or "cable select"
is the position of the jumper on the back of the drive. Different
manufacturers may have different positions for the same thing but
there is normally a self explanatory diagram on the back of the drive;
if not, you can determine the correct jumper position for whatever at
the manufacturer's site.

When putting old drive in new machine you can either hook it to the
primary IDE cable or the secondary one. If to the primary, you would
want old drive jumpered as slave as the new, existing drive is master.
If you hook it to the secondary channel, it can be either master or
slave. If it were me, I'd make it master after unhooking any CD/DVD
drives from that channel.

****
dadiOH, I follow your comments about the primary cable. Initially, the
Sony’s Primary Master, was connected to the first connector on the cable, not
on the end connector. I connected it to the end connector and left it there,
as my move did not cause any problem. The other connector is now freed-up for
the HD (Primary Slave) of the failed Computer.
I am not quite clear about the one you are referring as the secondary cable.
It sounds that it is the one to which the CD_Rom and the DVD are connected.
Are you suggesting for me to remove the CD or the DVD or both and hook to
that cable either the Microtime’s primary Master or the Primary Slave
without having to worry about their configuration....Master or Slave?
Thanks, for your reply!
(See my reply to "MEB" with today's Date)

--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

"dadiOH" wrote:

BAP wrote:

snip all

You are making what you want to do just WAAAYY harder than it is. All
you need do is remove a drive from the old computer, put it in the new
computer, boot and then copy the files you want.

The only thing that makes a drive "master", slave", or "cable select"
is the position of the jumper on the back of the drive. Different
manufacturers may have different positions for the same thing but
there is normally a self explanatory diagram on the back of the drive;
if not, you can determine the correct jumper position for whatever at
the manufacturer's site.

When putting old drive in new machine you can either hook it to the
primary IDE cable or the secondary one. If to the primary, you would
want old drive jumpered as slave as the new, existing drive is master.
If you hook it to the secondary channel, it can be either master or
slave. If it were me, I'd make it master after unhooking any CD/DVD
drives from that channel.
****
dadiOH, I follow your comments about the primary cable. Initially, the
Sony’s Primary Master, was connected to the first connector on the cable, not
on the end connector. I connected it to the end connector and left it there,
as my move did not cause any problem. The other connector is now freed-up for
the HD (Primary Slave) of the failed Computer.
I am not quite clear about the one you are referring as the secondary cable.
It sounds that it is the one to which the CD_Rom and the DVD are connected..
Are you suggesting for me to remove the CD or the DVD or both and hook to
that cable either the Microtime’s primary Master or the Primary Slave
without having to worry about their configuration....Master or Slave?
Thanks, for your reply!

(See my reply to "MEB" with today's date)


--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

"MEB" wrote:



"BAP" wrote in message
...
| The start of this new Post regarding the 'Computer Failure' Post was
| suggested by "MEB", and rightly so, as the that earlier Post was creating
| some confusion.
|
| As was discussed in the 'Computer Failure' Post, the Microtime Computer,
| that I have been using for several years, has failed and I find it rather
| difficult to get it operational, again. There is a Primary Master and a
| Secondary Master HD's installed in it. There are folders in both that have
| Data that I would like to recover. A more recent Computer, a Sony VAIO,
| that I am currently using, appears to have all that I would need to
connect
| those HD's and recover the desired Data and back up the same, if desired,
| on CD's or Iomega Zip 250 MB Disks. The only obstacle is of possible
| compatibility issues.
|
| Some of what follows has been mentioned in various replies in the prior
| Post. Some new information has been added, since.
|
| In the Sony there is no Secondary Master, although the Primary Master has
| two partitions, as "MEB" indicated and as shown by the System Information
| pane of the Components/Storage Disks:
| IDE Type 47, Partitions 2 total 57..27GB.
| Disk 0, Partition 0, 15.63GB (shown as Local Disk C: in 'My Computer'})
| Disk 0, Partition 1, 41.64GB (shown as Local Disk D
|
| Additionally, although not sure if it might be relevant, the following was
| also obtained.from the System Information panes (thru
| StartAccessoriesSystem Information):
| OS: Microsoft Windows, Version 4-90-3000 Build 3000
| System Name: VAIO (Sony Corp)
| System Model: PCV-RX370DS(UC)
| System Type: X86 based PC
| Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1300MHz GenuineIntel 1296Mhz
| Bios Version: Award Medallion BIOS v6.0
| Total Physical Memory: 127.43 MB
| Available Physical Memory: 2.07 MB
| Total Virtual Memory: 2.0 GB
| Available Virtual Memory: 1.77 GB
| Page File Space: 1.88 GB
|
| On the Disks pane:
| Description: GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE47
| Manufacturer: (Standard disk drives)
| Model: IDE DISK TYPE47
| Media Loaded: Yes
| Media Type: Fixed hard disk media
| Partitions: 2
| Size: 57.27 GB
| Partition: Disk #0, Partition #0
| Partition Size: 15.63 GB
| Partition: Disk #0, Partition #1
| Partition Size: 41.64 GB
|
| The IRQ Pane listed several. The ones related to the IDE's (to my
thinking)
| a
| IRQ 3 shows 3 times. One is for Intel 82801 BA/BAM SMBus Controller - 2443
| IRQ 9 shows 10 times. Two of them pertain to the USB Ports:
| - Intel 82801 BA/BAM USB Universal Host Controller #1
| - Intel 82801 BA/BAM USB Universal Host Controller #2
| IRQ 14 - Intel 82801 BA ULTRA ATA Storage Controller
| - Primary IDE Controller (Dual FIFO)
| IRQ 15 - Intel 82801 BA ULTRA ATA Storage Controller
| - Secondary IDE Controller (Dual FIFO)
|
| System, arrived at thru StartSettingsControl Panel, shows this (In
brief):
| MS Windows ME 4.90.3000
| Mfd and Supported by Sony Electr. Inc. - V32B5.0.0/ENV
| Genuine Intel - Intel[R] Pentium[R] 4 CPU - 128 MB RAM
|
| From the Device Manager Display:
| CD_ROM:
| - Pioneer DVD -ROM DVD-115R
| - Sony CD-RW CRX140E
|
| DISK DRIVE:
| - Generic IDE Disk Type47
| - Generic Floppy Disk
| - Iomega Zip 250
|
| HD Controllers:
| - Intel 82801BA Ultra ATA Storage Controller
| - Primary IDE Controller (Dual FIFO)
| - Secondary IDE Controller (Dual FIFO)
|
| While the Sony is booting, this appears:
| Diskette A: 1.44, 3.5 in.
| Diskette B: None
| Primary Master 61492 GB, UDMA 5
| Primary Slave: None
| Secondary Master: CD_ROM, UDMA 2
| Secondary Slave: CD_ROM. UDMA 2
| and
| Serial Port: 3F8
| Parallel Port: 378
| Dram Type: RDRAM
| SPD on Modules: Yes
| Data Integrity: NON-ECC
|
| Looking at the jumper selection area of the Sony's HD. I see 2 rows of
| pins. There is a jumper on the leftmost pair of pins (top & bottom) closes
t
| to the Cable connection and another jumper between the top&bottom pins at
the
| opposite end, or the end closest to the power cable.
| The storage HD from the failed Computer has similar layout, but the only
| jumper is at the last top 2 pins closest to the power cable. Again, I
assume
| that it might be OK to connect this HD on the freed up connector of the
Sony.
| As mentioned, the HD, referred by me as Storage HD, had been configured
as a
| Primary Slave in the Computer that had failed.
| I allowed my curiosity to see if, by connecting the existing Primary
Master
| HD to the end connector of the cable, I might cause any problem. All went
| well. I was further tempted to connect the storage HD from the failed
| Computer, but I did not, hoping to first get your ideas about doing so.
| The label on the storage HD shows its ID as:
| IBM OE - Model: DTTA-351010 E182115 HG
| P/N: 00K4091 10.1GB - MLC: F02573
| CHS: 16383/16/63
| LBA: 19.807.200 Sectors
|
| Hopefully, this will mean something to you, "MEB" or anyone else able to
help.
| Thank you in advance for any reply!

One issue you failed to mention, which may or will be an issue, is that the
other target drive [OS disk} had to be started in the other system by using
a boot disk or other work around.
****
“MEB�, that was not the case. Early on, there was nothing wrong with the
booting cycle, unless I
needed or wanted to start with a Boot Disk. If I did that and inserted the
Boot Disk before
starting the booting cycle, at the Dos Prompt I would find myself in the
Primary Slave HD. The
Master HD would not be available. This surfaced when I replaced the original
HD, 10 GB in size,
with a Maxtor with 40 GB. The MAX-BLAST software, that came with the Maxtor
HD, created
an overlay. As mentioned, in a rather old post, few years back, in order
to boot from a Boot
Disk properly, I had to break the progress of booting with a CTRL Key and
opt to boot from the
Boot Disk that had to be inserted at that time.
***

But we can work from this {BTW, good
information to work from, thanks}. I had also created a new posting for your
VAIO attempt, which outlines what had been found to that point * Sony
VAIO - WinME - hard drive usage and data recovery *. But we can work from
here with this new information, as long as everyone reviews the other
postings as well so redundant suggestions aren't provided.



I also created two new posts for your other computers:
Risys running Win31 - 98SE disk recovery
Microtime - Win98SE - computer diagnostics and repair

There is a small program which might provide some useful information
provided by MiTeC:
http://www.mitec.cz/Downloads/msi.zip - 782K - system information - goto
Storage Physical Devices for drive identification
http://www.mitec.cz/ - main page with tools

You can likely go ahead and try to connect the DATA drive to the VAIO as it
may already configured as SLAVE *IF* it was on the same cable as the
other/OS drive in the Microtime. Some info he
http://support.gateway.com/support/m...5896/05896.htm

If the drive works, pull the data off.

****
“MEB�, I did that and it worked, although the there was some confusion
about the ID of the Disks shown by ‘My Computer’. Normally, Disk C: is the
Partition 0 of the Primary Master - D: Partition 1 - E: DVD - F: CD_ROM - G:
Zip Drive.
With the Microtime Primary Slave in place, C: was still Sony’s HD Primary
Master Partition 0 - D: the Microtime’s Disk - E: Partition 1 of Sony - G:
was showing as the ZIP disk. However, if I inserted a CD in the CD_ROM drive,
G became the CD_ROM Disk - F:, showing as removable Disk, was, in effect,
the ZIP Drive.
No matter, ‘though, as I was able to copy the contents of the Microtime’s
Primary Slave HD.
All my steps taken, to configure the Microtime’s Primary Master and make it
a Slave, did not succeed. The configuration shown on the HD about the jumper
positions did not work. However, the system detected that HD as a Primary
Slave.
This was shown: (besides other info)
Primary Master Disk: 61492 MB UDMA 5
Orimary Slave Disk: 30750 MB UDMA 5
Secondary Master Disk: CD-ROM UDMA 2
Secondary Slave Disk: CD-ROM UDMA 2

Without the Microtime's HD connected, this was shown:
Primary Master Disk: 61492 MB UDMA 5
Orimary Slave Disk: None
Secondary Master Disk: CD-ROM UDMA 2
Secondary Slave Disk: CD-ROM UDMA 2

It was bothersome to see that the size of the Microtime's HD did not appear
to have the size that I thought it should have. I will check further into
that.
At any rate, 'My Computer' did not show this HD in the list of Disk Drives.
I wish there would be a way, but, I am glad that most of my data has been
recovered.
Thank you for all the suggestions.
***
Checking for that drive shows it is actually a Hitachi drive DeskStar 16GP:
http://www.hitachigst.com/tech/techl.../Deskstar_16GP
Check those Hitachi jumpers!

You can also try the drive fitness test, but do use no destructive tests
until you recover the data:
http://www.hgst.com/hdd/support/download.htm#DFT
http://www.hgst.com/hdd/support/down...2_v412_b01.EXE Windows
creator, or
http://www.hgst.com/hdd/support/down...01_install.IMG - if
you already have a diskette program like WinImage installed



--

MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
_________

Glee,  Everest’s Storage does not appear to have a category named ‘Physical
Drivers’. It shows Logical, Optical Drives, ASPI, ATA and SMART.
The latter two are blanks.

Logical Drives:
A: Removable Disk

C: Local Disk FAT32
15970 MB 4289 MB 11681
MB 73 % 0659-12EF
D: Local Disk FAT32
42599 MB 163 MB 42435
MB 100 % 1D0B-3241
E: Optical Drive

F: Optical Drive

G: Removable Disk


ASPI
00 00 00 Optical Drive PIONEER DVD-ROM DVD-115R 1.25

2000/08/21PIONEER
00 01 00 Optical Drive SONY CD-RW CRX140E 1.1b
Dec11 ,2000
00 07 00 Host Adapter ESDI_506 USBMPH
01 00 00 Disk Drive IOMEGA ZIP 250 27.P
06/28/02
01 07 00 Host Adapter USBMPHLP

Thank you, for the reply!
(See my reply to "MEB" with today's date for more info)
******

"glee" wrote:

"BAP" wrote in message
...
The start of this new Post regarding the ‘Computer Failure’ Post was
suggested by “MEB�, and rightly so, as the that earlier Post was creating
some confusion.
massive snip
System Name: VAIO (Sony Corp)
System Model: PCV-RX370DS(UC)
System Type: X86 based PC
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1300MHz GenuineIntel 1296Mhz
Bios Version: Award Medallion BIOS v6.0
snip
The label on the storage HD shows its ID as:
IBM OE - Model: DTTA-351010 E182115 HG

Deskstar 16GP Jumper settings
http://hgst.com/hdd/support/dtta6/dtta6jum.htm

You should most likely use the four pictures under the heading "16 Logical Head" to
determine the jumper setting you want.

If you are slaving the drive to the Sony's drive, on the same IDE cable, and the
Sony's drive is set as Master, then set the added drive as "Device 1 (Slave)"

If the Sony's drive is set as "Cable Select", then set the added drive the same way.

You need to identify the Sony's hard drive manufacturer to tell what the jumpers are
currently set at, unless you can see the jumper settings on the drive label on the
face of the drive.

EVEREST Free Edition:
http://www.majorgeeks.com/EVEREST_Fr...ion_d4181.html

Run Everest, select Storage Physical drives, on the left, and find the
manufacturers of your installed hard drives.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
http://dts-l.net/
http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm