Adding another HD - some questions

I'm going to add another HD to my system for more storage (and as insurance,
in case the original ever flakes out). This is what I want the final
result to be:

C: and D: partitions on my existing (40 GB) hard disk to remain unchanged.
I will add the second hard drive (also 40 GB), and partition it into E: and
F: partitions

(I also have a DVD/CD writable drive, and a zip drive (in addition to a
floppy). They will become G and H when I get done with this.)

But I have some questions:

1. Does it make ANY sense to use BootItNG to make the new HD have boot
capability too (just like my current drive), just in case that need (of a
disk crash) ever arises? To do this, I think I would simply use BootItNG
to copy over the C: partition to the new hard drive. (Later I can delete
some of that stuff from the new drive)

2. If I want to copy some folders and files over from my existing drive,
as I understand it, I can use BootItNG to do this, OR the utilities that
come with the hard disk - BUT if one uses those utilities, one will NOT
retain the original folder dates!

3. I assume the normal way to install a second hard drive is to have BOTH
hard drives on the same IDE channel, with one as Master, and the other as
Slave. What about the idea of making BOTH hard disks "Masters" (by using
the secondary IDE channel)? (Why is that idea rarely mentioned)?

(Note: I also have a DVD/CD writeable drive, and a zip drive, (in addition
to a floppy drive) on this computer. If I do this, these would BOTH have
to become slaves.

4. In the BootItNG options (I'm still confused, even after looking at the
BootItNG pdf help guide):

Note: I don't want to rule out the possibility of using another partitioning
program, and I want to keep things basic and simple, hence: (just looking
at some of the menu options in BootItNG):

Use Volume Label? (I would think one *would* want that checked)

CHS Alternative - check or uncheck this? If I understand this right, I
*should* check it, because I don't want to rule out the possibility of using
other partitioning programs.

Make HD0 active? Slightly confused here. Seems like that should only be
true for *my current HD*, and NOT for the new one I want to add (even though
I want to copy over the boot stuff to that drive). (Yet in the help guide
it says to check it)

If I am adding a second hard disk, I presume my current one is HD0 and the
new one will be HD1. (I'm keeping my original one as the bootable C:
drive)

Use HD0 in BPB - it suggests checking it for some unclear reason.

Limit Primaries - YES, I want to do that.

ATAPI CD support (and the others) - can probably leave unchecked.


Oh yeah, one other question. Do I need to create Extended Partitions, if I
am only having C: D: (already in existing drive) and E: and F: (in the new
drive)?

I guess it makes sense to create Extended Partitions in the second hard
drive (for E: and F, but I'm confused about this.

Well, wait a minute - if I ever wanted the second hard drive to be bootable
(in case the original drive died), I would have to have a Primary Partition
on it too, right? So maybe I need one Primary Partition and one Extended
Partition on the new drive (???)

Thanks for any help or clarification anybody can offer! Sorry to be so
obtuse.

Have a look here, Bill -
Order in Which MS-DOS and Windows Assign Drive Letters
http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=51978

If you want to boot from the new drive at some time in the future, you will need a
primary partition on it, which you will make active when the time comes to boot from
it. If you have a primary partition on the new drive, it will get the drive letter
D:, not the second partition on the old drive.

Is the second partition on the old drive a logical drive on an extended partition
(as opposed to a primary partition)?

You can connect the two drives as master and slave on the same cable/primary
controller; OR as both masters, one on each controller (primary and secondary). The
choice is yours ( and to some extent, how finicky the drives are). Whether the DVD
writer or Zip drive have a problem as slaves is mostly a matter, again, of how picky
they are.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
I'm going to add another HD to my system for more storage (and as insurance,
in case the original ever flakes out). This is what I want the final
result to be:

C: and D: partitions on my existing (40 GB) hard disk to remain unchanged.
I will add the second hard drive (also 40 GB), and partition it into E: and
F: partitions

(I also have a DVD/CD writable drive, and a zip drive (in addition to a
floppy). They will become G and H when I get done with this.)

But I have some questions:

1. Does it make ANY sense to use BootItNG to make the new HD have boot
capability too (just like my current drive), just in case that need (of a
disk crash) ever arises? To do this, I think I would simply use BootItNG
to copy over the C: partition to the new hard drive. (Later I can delete
some of that stuff from the new drive)

2. If I want to copy some folders and files over from my existing drive,
as I understand it, I can use BootItNG to do this, OR the utilities that
come with the hard disk - BUT if one uses those utilities, one will NOT
retain the original folder dates!

3. I assume the normal way to install a second hard drive is to have BOTH
hard drives on the same IDE channel, with one as Master, and the other as
Slave. What about the idea of making BOTH hard disks "Masters" (by using
the secondary IDE channel)? (Why is that idea rarely mentioned)?

(Note: I also have a DVD/CD writeable drive, and a zip drive, (in addition
to a floppy drive) on this computer. If I do this, these would BOTH have
to become slaves.

4. In the BootItNG options (I'm still confused, even after looking at the
BootItNG pdf help guide):

Note: I don't want to rule out the possibility of using another partitioning
program, and I want to keep things basic and simple, hence: (just looking
at some of the menu options in BootItNG):

Use Volume Label? (I would think one *would* want that checked)

CHS Alternative - check or uncheck this? If I understand this right, I
*should* check it, because I don't want to rule out the possibility of using
other partitioning programs.

Make HD0 active? Slightly confused here. Seems like that should only be
true for *my current HD*, and NOT for the new one I want to add (even though
I want to copy over the boot stuff to that drive). (Yet in the help guide
it says to check it)

If I am adding a second hard disk, I presume my current one is HD0 and the
new one will be HD1. (I'm keeping my original one as the bootable C:
drive)

Use HD0 in BPB - it suggests checking it for some unclear reason.

Limit Primaries - YES, I want to do that.

ATAPI CD support (and the others) - can probably leave unchecked.


Oh yeah, one other question. Do I need to create Extended Partitions, if I
am only having C: D: (already in existing drive) and E: and F: (in the new
drive)?

I guess it makes sense to create Extended Partitions in the second hard
drive (for E: and F, but I'm confused about this.

Well, wait a minute - if I ever wanted the second hard drive to be bootable
(in case the original drive died), I would have to have a Primary Partition
on it too, right? So maybe I need one Primary Partition and one Extended
Partition on the new drive (???)

Thanks for any help or clarification anybody can offer! Sorry to be so
obtuse.

glee wrote:
Have a look here, Bill -
Order in Which MS-DOS and Windows Assign Drive Letters
http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=51978

If you want to boot from the new drive at some time in the future, you
will
need a primary partition on it, which you will make active when the time
comes to boot from it. If you have a primary partition on the new drive,
it
will get the drive letter D:, not the second partition on the old drive.

Thanks Glen, I forgot all about that. Which adds (yet another) variable
as to whether or not I really want to do this (make the new drive bootable,
or not).

Is the second partition on the old drive a logical drive on an extended
partition (as opposed to a primary partition)?

As I recall(?), my D: partition is a logical drive within an extended
partition, but I'm not sure. I tried using various tools here to verify
that, but I can't find anything that states it is in an extended partition
(and is not a primary partition).

I do know that D: is not bootable, but whether or not that means it isn't a
primary partition, I'm not sure. Is there an easy way to check this?

You can connect the two drives as master and slave on the same
cable/primary
controller; OR as both masters, one on each controller (primary and
secondary). The choice is yours ( and to some extent, how finicky the
drives
are). Whether the DVD writer or Zip drive have a problem as slaves is
mostly
a matter, again, of how picky they are.

OK - I think I'll probably put both HDs on the same cable. Sounds like a
better idea. Thanks.

Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
I'm going to add another HD to my system for more storage (and as
insurance,
in case the original ever flakes out). This is what I want the final
result to be:

C: and D: partitions on my existing (40 GB) hard disk to remain
unchanged.
I will add the second hard drive (also 40 GB), and partition it into E:
and
F: partitions

(I also have a DVD/CD writable drive, and a zip drive (in addition to a
floppy). They will become G and H when I get done with this.)

But I have some questions:

1. Does it make ANY sense to use BootItNG to make the new HD have boot
capability too (just like my current drive), just in case that need (of a
disk crash) ever arises? To do this, I think I would simply use
BootItNG
to copy over the C: partition to the new hard drive. (Later I can
delete
some of that stuff from the new drive)

2. If I want to copy some folders and files over from my existing
drive,
as I understand it, I can use BootItNG to do this, OR the utilities that
come with the hard disk - BUT if one uses those utilities, one will NOT
retain the original folder dates!

3. I assume the normal way to install a second hard drive is to have
BOTH
hard drives on the same IDE channel, with one as Master, and the other as
Slave. What about the idea of making BOTH hard disks "Masters" (by
using
the secondary IDE channel)? (Why is that idea rarely mentioned)?

(Note: I also have a DVD/CD writeable drive, and a zip drive, (in
addition
to a floppy drive) on this computer. If I do this, these would BOTH
have
to become slaves.

4. In the BootItNG options (I'm still confused, even after looking at
the
BootItNG pdf help guide):

Note: I don't want to rule out the possibility of using another
partitioning
program, and I want to keep things basic and simple, hence: (just
looking
at some of the menu options in BootItNG):

Use Volume Label? (I would think one *would* want that checked)

CHS Alternative - check or uncheck this? If I understand this right, I
*should* check it, because I don't want to rule out the possibility of
using
other partitioning programs.

Make HD0 active? Slightly confused here. Seems like that should only
be
true for *my current HD*, and NOT for the new one I want to add (even
though
I want to copy over the boot stuff to that drive). (Yet in the help
guide
it says to check it)

If I am adding a second hard disk, I presume my current one is HD0 and
the
new one will be HD1. (I'm keeping my original one as the bootable C:
drive)

Use HD0 in BPB - it suggests checking it for some unclear reason.

Limit Primaries - YES, I want to do that.

ATAPI CD support (and the others) - can probably leave unchecked.


Oh yeah, one other question. Do I need to create Extended Partitions,
if I
am only having C: D: (already in existing drive) and E: and F: (in the
new
drive)?

I guess it makes sense to create Extended Partitions in the second hard
drive (for E: and F, but I'm confused about this.

Well, wait a minute - if I ever wanted the second hard drive to be
bootable
(in case the original drive died), I would have to have a Primary
Partition
on it too, right? So maybe I need one Primary Partition and one
Extended
Partition on the new drive (???)

Thanks for any help or clarification anybody can offer! Sorry to be
so
obtuse.

Ooops, looks like I assumed wrong. I just used BootItNG to check my drive,
and found that both C and D partitions have a File System value of 12 (or
hex 0C), so it would appear D: is also a primary partition, and is NOT a
logical drive on an extended partition (I forgot how I set it up, but that
may be right, as I figured I never would need more than 4 partitions).

So when I add my new drive (for the E and F partitions, if I skip the idea
of making it bootable, I guess I can either:
1) add two more primary partitions (E and F)
OR
2) one Extended, with two logical (E and F) partitions. Right?


Bill in Co. wrote:
glee wrote:
Have a look here, Bill -
Order in Which MS-DOS and Windows Assign Drive Letters
http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=51978

If you want to boot from the new drive at some time in the future, you
will
need a primary partition on it, which you will make active when the time
comes to boot from it. If you have a primary partition on the new drive,
it
will get the drive letter D:, not the second partition on the old drive.

Thanks Glen, I forgot all about that. Which adds (yet another) variable
as to whether or not I really want to do this (make the new drive
bootable,
or not).

Is the second partition on the old drive a logical drive on an extended
partition (as opposed to a primary partition)?

As I recall(?), my D: partition is a logical drive within an extended
partition, but I'm not sure. I tried using various tools here to verify
that, but I can't find anything that states it is in an extended partition
(and is not a primary partition).

I do know that D: is not bootable, but whether or not that means it isn't
a
primary partition, I'm not sure. Is there an easy way to check this?

You can connect the two drives as master and slave on the same
cable/primary
controller; OR as both masters, one on each controller (primary and
secondary). The choice is yours ( and to some extent, how finicky the
drives
are). Whether the DVD writer or Zip drive have a problem as slaves is
mostly
a matter, again, of how picky they are.

OK - I think I'll probably put both HDs on the same cable. Sounds like
a
better idea. Thanks.

Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
I'm going to add another HD to my system for more storage (and as
insurance,
in case the original ever flakes out). This is what I want the final
result to be:

C: and D: partitions on my existing (40 GB) hard disk to remain
unchanged.
I will add the second hard drive (also 40 GB), and partition it into E:
and
F: partitions

(I also have a DVD/CD writable drive, and a zip drive (in addition to a
floppy). They will become G and H when I get done with this.)

But I have some questions:

1. Does it make ANY sense to use BootItNG to make the new HD have boot
capability too (just like my current drive), just in case that need (of
a
disk crash) ever arises? To do this, I think I would simply use
BootItNG
to copy over the C: partition to the new hard drive. (Later I can
delete
some of that stuff from the new drive)

2. If I want to copy some folders and files over from my existing
drive,
as I understand it, I can use BootItNG to do this, OR the utilities that
come with the hard disk - BUT if one uses those utilities, one will NOT
retain the original folder dates!

3. I assume the normal way to install a second hard drive is to have
BOTH
hard drives on the same IDE channel, with one as Master, and the other
as
Slave. What about the idea of making BOTH hard disks "Masters" (by
using
the secondary IDE channel)? (Why is that idea rarely mentioned)?

(Note: I also have a DVD/CD writeable drive, and a zip drive, (in
addition
to a floppy drive) on this computer. If I do this, these would BOTH
have
to become slaves.

4. In the BootItNG options (I'm still confused, even after looking at
the
BootItNG pdf help guide):

Note: I don't want to rule out the possibility of using another
partitioning
program, and I want to keep things basic and simple, hence: (just
looking
at some of the menu options in BootItNG):

Use Volume Label? (I would think one *would* want that checked)

CHS Alternative - check or uncheck this? If I understand this right, I
*should* check it, because I don't want to rule out the possibility of
using
other partitioning programs.

Make HD0 active? Slightly confused here. Seems like that should only
be
true for *my current HD*, and NOT for the new one I want to add (even
though
I want to copy over the boot stuff to that drive). (Yet in the help
guide
it says to check it)

If I am adding a second hard disk, I presume my current one is HD0 and
the
new one will be HD1. (I'm keeping my original one as the bootable C:
drive)

Use HD0 in BPB - it suggests checking it for some unclear reason.

Limit Primaries - YES, I want to do that.

ATAPI CD support (and the others) - can probably leave unchecked.


Oh yeah, one other question. Do I need to create Extended Partitions,
if I
am only having C: D: (already in existing drive) and E: and F: (in the
new
drive)?

I guess it makes sense to create Extended Partitions in the second hard
drive (for E: and F, but I'm confused about this.

Well, wait a minute - if I ever wanted the second hard drive to be
bootable
(in case the original drive died), I would have to have a Primary
Partition
on it too, right? So maybe I need one Primary Partition and one
Extended
Partition on the new drive (???)

Thanks for any help or clarification anybody can offer! Sorry to be
so
obtuse.

(Ooopsl, I may have got the drive letters wrong on this too, IF I make
primary partitions on the new drive. What a bummer!) Damn.

Bill in Co. wrote:
Ooops, looks like I assumed wrong. I just used BootItNG to check my
drive,
and found that both C and D partitions have a File System value of 12 (or
hex 0C), so it would appear D: is also a primary partition, and is NOT a
logical drive on an extended partition (I forgot how I set it up, but that
may be right, as I figured I never would need more than 4 partitions).

So when I add my new drive (for the E and F partitions, if I skip the idea
of making it bootable, I guess I can either:
1) add two more primary partitions (E and F)
OR
2) one Extended, with two logical (E and F) partitions. Right?


Bill in Co. wrote:
glee wrote:
Have a look here, Bill -
Order in Which MS-DOS and Windows Assign Drive Letters
http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=51978

If you want to boot from the new drive at some time in the future, you
will
need a primary partition on it, which you will make active when the time
comes to boot from it. If you have a primary partition on the new
drive, it
will get the drive letter D:, not the second partition on the old drive.

Thanks Glen, I forgot all about that. Which adds (yet another)
variable
as to whether or not I really want to do this (make the new drive
bootable,
or not).

Is the second partition on the old drive a logical drive on an extended
partition (as opposed to a primary partition)?

As I recall(?), my D: partition is a logical drive within an extended
partition, but I'm not sure. I tried using various tools here to verify
that, but I can't find anything that states it is in an extended
partition
(and is not a primary partition).

I do know that D: is not bootable, but whether or not that means it isn't
a
primary partition, I'm not sure. Is there an easy way to check this?

You can connect the two drives as master and slave on the same
cable/primary
controller; OR as both masters, one on each controller (primary and
secondary). The choice is yours ( and to some extent, how finicky the
drives are). Whether the DVD writer or Zip drive have a problem as
slaves
is mostly a matter, again, of how picky they are.

OK - I think I'll probably put both HDs on the same cable. Sounds like
a
better idea. Thanks.

Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
I'm going to add another HD to my system for more storage (and as
insurance, in case the original ever flakes out). This is what I
want
the final result to be:

C: and D: partitions on my existing (40 GB) hard disk to remain
unchanged.
I will add the second hard drive (also 40 GB), and partition it into E:
and
F: partitions

(I also have a DVD/CD writable drive, and a zip drive (in addition to a
floppy). They will become G and H when I get done with this.)

But I have some questions:

1. Does it make ANY sense to use BootItNG to make the new HD have
boot
capability too (just like my current drive), just in case that need (of
a
disk crash) ever arises? To do this, I think I would simply use
BootItNG
to copy over the C: partition to the new hard drive. (Later I can
delete
some of that stuff from the new drive)

2. If I want to copy some folders and files over from my existing
drive,
as I understand it, I can use BootItNG to do this, OR the utilities
that
come with the hard disk - BUT if one uses those utilities, one will
NOT
retain the original folder dates!

3. I assume the normal way to install a second hard drive is to have
BOTH
hard drives on the same IDE channel, with one as Master, and the other
as
Slave. What about the idea of making BOTH hard disks "Masters" (by
using
the secondary IDE channel)? (Why is that idea rarely mentioned)?

(Note: I also have a DVD/CD writeable drive, and a zip drive, (in
addition
to a floppy drive) on this computer. If I do this, these would BOTH
have
to become slaves.

4. In the BootItNG options (I'm still confused, even after looking at
the
BootItNG pdf help guide):

Note: I don't want to rule out the possibility of using another
partitioning program, and I want to keep things basic and simple,
hence:
(just looking at some of the menu options in BootItNG):

Use Volume Label? (I would think one *would* want that checked)

CHS Alternative - check or uncheck this? If I understand this right,
I
*should* check it, because I don't want to rule out the possibility of
using other partitioning programs.

Make HD0 active? Slightly confused here. Seems like that should
only be
true for *my current HD*, and NOT for the new one I want to add (even
though I want to copy over the boot stuff to that drive). (Yet in
the
help guide it says to check it)

If I am adding a second hard disk, I presume my current one is HD0 and
the
new one will be HD1. (I'm keeping my original one as the bootable C:
drive)

Use HD0 in BPB - it suggests checking it for some unclear reason.

Limit Primaries - YES, I want to do that.

ATAPI CD support (and the others) - can probably leave unchecked.


Oh yeah, one other question. Do I need to create Extended Partitions,
if
I am only having C: D: (already in existing drive) and E: and F: (in
the
new drive)?

I guess it makes sense to create Extended Partitions in the second hard
drive (for E: and F, but I'm confused about this.

Well, wait a minute - if I ever wanted the second hard drive to be
bootable
(in case the original drive died), I would have to have a Primary
Partition
on it too, right? So maybe I need one Primary Partition and one
Extended
Partition on the new drive (???)

Thanks for any help or clarification anybody can offer! Sorry to be
so
obtuse.

I keep thinking of more things:

Another question: Can I use BING to change the partition type I already
have on my hard disk (like from a primary to an extended, by simply
selecting the type I now want it to become (extended - 05 hex) in that File
System menu? Or will I corrupt my data?

Bill in Co. wrote:
(Ooopsl, I may have got the drive letters wrong on this too, IF I make
primary partitions on the new drive. What a bummer!) Damn.

Bill in Co. wrote:
Ooops, looks like I assumed wrong. I just used BootItNG to check my
drive,
and found that both C and D partitions have a File System value of 12 (or
hex 0C), so it would appear D: is also a primary partition, and is NOT a
logical drive on an extended partition (I forgot how I set it up, but
that
may be right, as I figured I never would need more than 4 partitions).

So when I add my new drive (for the E and F partitions, if I skip the
idea
of making it bootable, I guess I can either:
1) add two more primary partitions (E and F)
OR
2) one Extended, with two logical (E and F) partitions. Right?


Bill in Co. wrote:
glee wrote:
Have a look here, Bill -
Order in Which MS-DOS and Windows Assign Drive Letters
http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=51978

If you want to boot from the new drive at some time in the future, you
will
need a primary partition on it, which you will make active when the
time
comes to boot from it. If you have a primary partition on the new
drive,
it will get the drive letter D:, not the second partition on the old
drive.

Thanks Glen, I forgot all about that. Which adds (yet another)
variable
as to whether or not I really want to do this (make the new drive
bootable,
or not).

Is the second partition on the old drive a logical drive on an extended
partition (as opposed to a primary partition)?

As I recall(?), my D: partition is a logical drive within an extended
partition, but I'm not sure. I tried using various tools here to
verify
that, but I can't find anything that states it is in an extended
partition
(and is not a primary partition).

I do know that D: is not bootable, but whether or not that means it
isn't a
primary partition, I'm not sure. Is there an easy way to check this?

You can connect the two drives as master and slave on the same
cable/primary controller; OR as both masters, one on each controller
(primary and secondary). The choice is yours ( and to some extent, how
finicky the drives are). Whether the DVD writer or Zip drive have a
problem as slaves is mostly a matter, again, of how picky they are.

OK - I think I'll probably put both HDs on the same cable. Sounds
like a
better idea. Thanks.

Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
I'm going to add another HD to my system for more storage (and as
insurance, in case the original ever flakes out). This is what I
want
the final result to be:

C: and D: partitions on my existing (40 GB) hard disk to remain
unchanged.
I will add the second hard drive (also 40 GB), and partition it into
E:
and F: partitions

(I also have a DVD/CD writable drive, and a zip drive (in addition to
a
floppy). They will become G and H when I get done with this.)

But I have some questions:

1. Does it make ANY sense to use BootItNG to make the new HD have
boot
capability too (just like my current drive), just in case that need
(of a
disk crash) ever arises? To do this, I think I would simply use
BootItNG to copy over the C: partition to the new hard drive. (Later
I
can delete some of that stuff from the new drive)

2. If I want to copy some folders and files over from my existing
drive, as I understand it, I can use BootItNG to do this, OR the
utilities that come with the hard disk - BUT if one uses those
utilities, one will NOT retain the original folder dates!

3. I assume the normal way to install a second hard drive is to have
BOTH hard drives on the same IDE channel, with one as Master, and the
other as Slave. What about the idea of making BOTH hard disks
"Masters"
(by using the secondary IDE channel)? (Why is that idea rarely
mentioned)?

(Note: I also have a DVD/CD writeable drive, and a zip drive, (in
addition
to a floppy drive) on this computer. If I do this, these would BOTH
have to become slaves.

4. In the BootItNG options (I'm still confused, even after looking
at
the BootItNG pdf help guide):

Note: I don't want to rule out the possibility of using another
partitioning program, and I want to keep things basic and simple,
hence:
(just looking at some of the menu options in BootItNG):

Use Volume Label? (I would think one *would* want that checked)

CHS Alternative - check or uncheck this? If I understand this right,
I
*should* check it, because I don't want to rule out the possibility of
using other partitioning programs.

Make HD0 active? Slightly confused here. Seems like that should
only
be true for *my current HD*, and NOT for the new one I want to add
(even
though I want to copy over the boot stuff to that drive). (Yet in
the
help guide it says to check it)

If I am adding a second hard disk, I presume my current one is HD0 and
the
new one will be HD1. (I'm keeping my original one as the bootable C:
drive)

Use HD0 in BPB - it suggests checking it for some unclear reason.

Limit Primaries - YES, I want to do that.

ATAPI CD support (and the others) - can probably leave unchecked.


Oh yeah, one other question. Do I need to create Extended
Partitions, if
I am only having C: D: (already in existing drive) and E: and F: (in
the
new drive)?

I guess it makes sense to create Extended Partitions in the second
hard
drive (for E: and F, but I'm confused about this.

Well, wait a minute - if I ever wanted the second hard drive to be
bootable (in case the original drive died), I would have to have a
Primary Partition on it too, right? So maybe I need one Primary
Partition and one Extended Partition on the new drive (???)

Thanks for any help or clarification anybody can offer! Sorry to
be so
obtuse.

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...

I'm going to add another HD to my system . . .
(I also have a DVD/CD writable drive, and a zip drive (in addition to a
floppy). They will become G and H when I get done with this.)

It simplifies things if, at first setup, we assign
higher values to our CD drive letters. My CD RO
drive has always been O: and the CD RW drive
was added as Q: This means that when (for
example) the USB card reader is in use (creating
5 more pseudodrives) the CD identifications
do not change.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

"Bill in Co." wrote in message ...
Ooops, looks like I assumed wrong. I just used BootItNG to check my drive,
and found that both C and D partitions have a File System value of 12 (or
hex 0C), so it would appear D: is also a primary partition, and is NOT a
logical drive on an extended partition

You are looking at the partition "type". If "drive D:" was in an extended,
you will see an "EXT" type partition located above the logical "D:"
If there is no EXT (type 0Fh or 05h) then they are both primaries.

It sounds like both partitions on HD0 are primary. If so, no matter
how you partition HD1, the second primary on HD0 will always be
enumerated behind the first primary and all logicals on HD1.


(I forgot how I set it up, but that
may be right, as I figured I never would need more than 4 partitions).

oops.


So when I add my new drive (for the E and F partitions, if I skip the idea
of making it bootable, I guess I can either:
1) add two more primary partitions (E and F)
OR
2) one Extended, with two logical (E and F) partitions. Right?

If you need D: to stay put, and is not a bootable OS partition, you need
something like this

HD0
primary (win98? boot)
ext
logical (D
HD1
ext
logical (E
logical (F
etc...

The problem is going to be moving the now 2nd primary into an
ext. You'll have to do some rearranging. You could use the new drive
to copy it over, and then back, if you don't have room on the old.


Bill in Co. wrote:

1. Does it make ANY sense to use BootItNG to make the new HD have boot
capability too (just like my current drive), just in case that need (of a
disk crash) ever arises? To do this, I think I would simply use BootItNG
to copy over the C: partition to the new hard drive.

You could copy it over and hide it.

HD0
primary (win98? boot)
ext
logical (D
HD1
primary (hidden copy of win98)
ext
logical (E
logical (F
etc...

If the hd0 is very small and hd1 is huge, you could even copy over
the whole thing.

HD0
primary (win98? boot)
ext
logical (D
HD1
primary (hidden copy of win98)
ext
logical (hidden copy of logical on hd0)
logical (E
logical (F
etc...

If hd0 died, all you have to do is set hd1 as primary master, and
unhide both, and set active the primary.

You might want to image to DVD, instead of using the other HD. Does
BING support DVD writers yet?


2. If I want to copy some folders and files over from my existing drive,
as I understand it, I can use BootItNG to do this, OR the utilities that
come with the hard disk - BUT if one uses those utilities, one will NOT
retain the original folder dates!

If you "copy a partition" at that level, it will retain everything.



Use Volume Label? (I would think one *would* want that checked)

Yeah.


CHS Alternative - check or uncheck this? If I understand this right, I
*should* check it, because I don't want to rule out the possibility of using
other partitioning programs.

Yes. (though, I've found it somewhat flakey with PM)


Make HD0 active?

fwiu, this is to keep one primary on hd0 active. Apparently, some funny
BIOS's require it.


Use HD0 in BPB - it suggests checking it for some unclear reason.

PCR was responsible for this! (See master post.


Limit Primaries - YES, I want to do that.

Definetly.

Bill in Co. wrote:
I'm going to add another HD to my system for more storage (and as
insurance, in case the original ever flakes out). This is what I
want the final result to be:

C: and D: partitions on my existing (40 GB) hard disk to remain
unchanged. I will add the second hard drive (also 40 GB), and
partition it into E: and F: partitions

The drive letters may or may not wind up as you want them, depends on
primary/extended partition order. Generally, Windows assigns them in
a screwy (IMO) order. To get any drive letter designation you want,
use LetterAssigner. Free, effective and only about 375KB
http://www.v72735.f2s.com/LetAssig/

______________________

(I also have a DVD/CD writable drive, and a zip drive (in addition
to a floppy). They will become G and H when I get done with this.)

An error, IMO. Much better to start with Z and work down with drives
like this...leaves room for more physical and/or logical hard drives
in the future as well as other physical or virtual CD/DVD drives
without disrupting things.
________________________

Without specifically answering your questions, let me explain what I
do. It is effective and will address most of your questions...

I have three physical drives. Each has a primary partition that is
bootable ("active"). Each primary partition is the same size. In my
case, I chose 7.8 gigs as the size. Each drive also has an extended
partition with one or more logical drives. Those logical drives are
used for storage...MP3s, disc images, etc.

The primary partitions are all the same size because I keep copies of
C: on each. The copies are of varying ages.

I chose the size because that leaves me plenty of room - only about
half is ever used - and the cluster size is reasonable.

Each is bootable so that if C: gets screwed up I can simply swap the
IDE cable to another, boot from it and copy back to the screwed up
drive thereby restoring it to the absolute condition it was when last
backed up.

I also keep a change log with notepad that details date and what was
done. I log all installs/uninstalls, any sort of system change.

Although C: can be copied to another drive with any program (making an
"image" is not necessary), I use Karen's Replicator v1.8.10.
http://www.karenware.com/powertools/powertools.asp

I prefer this older version but don't recall exactly why. I do know
it works flawlessly. It will...
1. Keep dates
2. Only copy changed files/folders
3. Delete files/folders on the destination that no longer exist on
the source.
4. Copy *all* files except the swap file
Behaviour can be changed by user, backups can be automated at user
selected intervals

My drives are each on a separate IDE channel; C: form the mobo, the
other two from an add on IDE card (only about $25-30). CD/DVD drives
are on the second mobo channel.

I have a label for *all* hard drives...makes it easier to recognize
which is which when booting from a backup drive.

--
dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.05...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
I'm going to add another HD to my system for more storage (and as insurance,
in case the original ever flakes out). This is what I want the final
result to be:

C: and D: partitions on my existing (40 GB) hard disk to remain unchanged.
I will add the second hard drive (also 40 GB), and partition it into E: and
F: partitions

(I also have a DVD/CD writable drive, and a zip drive (in addition to a
floppy). They will become G and H when I get done with this.)

But I have some questions:

1. Does it make ANY sense to use BootItNG to make the new HD have boot
capability too (just like my current drive), just in case that need (of a
disk crash) ever arises? To do this, I think I would simply use BootItNG
to copy over the C: partition to the new hard drive. (Later I can delete
some of that stuff from the new drive)

Unless you are regularly multi-booting (switching from one system to another),
don't install BING. Just boot to the BING floppy, Cancel installation, and drop
into Partition work. All you need to do to maintain a backup copy of Windows is
to periodically copy it from the original HD (HDD0) over to the beginning of the
second HD (HDD1). Resize the copy to result in ~10 to ~15% free space. Also,
except when you *want* it visible while you run your system normally, in order
to access the files & folders, you should Hide the copy. Makes for much less
confusion, and prevents screw-ups and malware from affecting the backup copy.


2. If I want to copy some folders and files over from my existing drive,
as I understand it, I can use BootItNG to do this, OR the utilities that
come with the hard disk - BUT if one uses those utilities, one will NOT
retain the original folder dates!

No, you can't copy individual files or folders using BING or any other disk
utility. You can only copy entire partitions. You'll have to do this in Windows,
with the "new" copy not Hidden.


3. I assume the normal way to install a second hard drive is to have BOTH
hard drives on the same IDE channel, with one as Master, and the other as
Slave. What about the idea of making BOTH hard disks "Masters" (by using
the secondary IDE channel)? (Why is that idea rarely mentioned)?

(Note: I also have a DVD/CD writeable drive, and a zip drive, (in addition
to a floppy drive) on this computer. If I do this, these would BOTH have
to become slaves.

Because where a CD or DVD burner is present, it's generally preferable to make
the CDRW the Secondary Master. They tend to be less problematic that way.


4. In the BootItNG options (I'm still confused, even after looking at the
BootItNG pdf help guide):

Note: I don't want to rule out the possibility of using another partitioning
program, and I want to keep things basic and simple, hence: (just looking
at some of the menu options in BootItNG):

Use Volume Label? (I would think one *would* want that checked)

I do.


CHS Alternative - check or uncheck this? If I understand this right, I
*should* check it, because I don't want to rule out the possibility of using
other partitioning programs.

I use whatever the default setting is. But then, I never consider using any
opther partitioning utility.


Make HD0 active? Slightly confused here. Seems like that should only be
true for *my current HD*, and NOT for the new one I want to add (even though
I want to copy over the boot stuff to that drive). (Yet in the help guide
it says to check it)

I'm confused, too. You don't make drives Active, you make Partitions Active.
Whichever one contains the boot sectors you want to activate when the machine
starts up.


If I am adding a second hard disk, I presume my current one is HD0 and the
new one will be HD1. (I'm keeping my original one as the bootable C:
drive)

Normally, whichever drive is the Primary Master is HDD0. Not sure how the
progression is after that, whether Primary Slave or Secondary Master is HDD1.


Use HD0 in BPB - it suggests checking it for some unclear reason.

Not sure what this one is about. I'd go with the recommendation.


Limit Primaries - YES, I want to do that.

And you should, unless you intend to multi-boot on a regular basis.


ATAPI CD support (and the others) - can probably leave unchecked.

If you want to use BING to image to CD or restore an image from CD, you'll need
this one enabled. Note that unless you install BING, some of these options are
meaningless.



Oh yeah, one other question. Do I need to create Extended Partitions, if I
am only having C: D: (already in existing drive) and E: and F: (in the new
drive)?

No, you don't *need* to, but it sure simplifies things! I only ever make
bootable partitions Primary partitions.


I guess it makes sense to create Extended Partitions in the second hard
drive (for E: and F, but I'm confused about this.

Well, wait a minute - if I ever wanted the second hard drive to be bootable
(in case the original drive died), I would have to have a Primary Partition
on it too, right? So maybe I need one Primary Partition and one Extended
Partition on the new drive (???)

Thanks for any help or clarification anybody can offer! Sorry to be so
obtuse.

Here's what I would do.

Note 1: I use C:\ drive only for system and installed applications. If you are
into massive applications suites that bloat C:\, then uninstall them. Reinstall
them later to a different partition. The idea is to make it possible to resize
C:\ to 8GB (8192MB), including plenty of free space. FAT32 partitions larger
than 8GB mean clusters that are larger than 4KB, which is both inefficient and
performance reducing in Win9x. Clean up TEMP, TIF, RB, etc., and run Defrag.

Now, add the new disk as Primary Slave. Boot to BING floppy, Cancel
installation, drop to Partition Work (after setting options.)

Copy the first partition from HDD0 to HDD1. Resize it to include 10-15% free
space. At this point, I'd probably also Hide it for now. (Look in the Properties
of the partition.)

Create an Extended Partition on the rest of the HDD1. Copy your old D:\
partition to the new Extended partition. Delete the old D:\ partition on HDD0.

On HDD0, resize the first partition to 8192MB. If that isn't possible, because
C:\ is too large (and I'd want 25 to 30 percent free space, minimum, within that
8192MB, too) then restart into Windows and clean up that drive. Create an
Extended Partition in the remaining space. Create a new 4GB (4096MB) in the
Extended Partition and name it TEMP.

Note 2: I'm assuming that you haven't been using D:\ for Registered
applications, or other path-critical storage. That it doesn't matter if this
partition has some other letter. If that isn't a correct assumption, you'll need
to copy it back to HDD0 first, then delete the copy from HDD1, then create the
TEMP partition as the first one in the Extended partition on HDD1.

If you intend to have a separate applications partition (see Note 1), then
create a new partition sized 8GB (8192MB) on HDD0. Name it Programs.

From here on out, create new partitions in the remaining unoccupied space as you
wish.

Note 3: While applications and temp partitions should be no larger than 8GB, the
rest of the partitions can be whatever size you wish, though I find more,
smaller partitions to be quite handy.

After restarting, change your CD and Zip drive letters to ones from the end of
the alphabet. I usually don't use Z:\, but it's appropriate in the case of your
Zip drive. Use COA (Change of Address) or manually edit the Registry to account
for these letter changes. Move your TEMP environment to the appropriate
partition, and TIF, also.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User