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  #11  
Old January 21st 07, 11:11 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
David
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Posts: 21
Default Re-installing W98SE



"Ron Badour" wrote:

Your description suggests a system problem rather than hardware so a
reinstall is in order. Do not attempt to do an install over the existing
system--format the partition and do a clean install. The only possible risk
is if you don't have the drivers for your hardware. The drivers might be
included if you have a restore disk. Or, you might have other disks with
drivers. Or, you might have to determine what specific hardware you have
and get drivers from the internet. For information on installing W98, go
to: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/w98_restore.html (same site that
Don recommends)


--
Regards


Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo



"David" wrote in message
...
I have two computers: a new one running XP; and an old one running 98SE.
I've just about got everything I need off the old one, and onto the new
one.
The older one has serious problems. It may be hardware, but the symptoms
appear as a non-functioning Windows Explorer. I can't use it. And any
time
a program tries to use it, the computer crashes.
I know, I could give you more details about the crashes, but what I really
want to know is this: I'm a legal user of W98SE. I have my original
W98SE
CD. Can I uninstall W98SE and re-install it from my CD? What are the
risks?
What safeguard procedures should I follow?






Thanks Ron.
I've sent the following message to Don, too. I haven't, yet, done the
re-install and I'm still looking for alternatives. Before I do this,
remembering the problem appears to inside Windows Explorer, if I up-graded to
Windows NT, might that serve my purpose? I don't want to loose programs nor
user files associated with, or running under W98SE... for example Quicken
2000. If I up-dated to NT, instead of re-installing W98, a). would I be able
to up-grade to NT while my Win98 Windows Explorer is U/S?...and...b). would
the up-grade install a new Windows Explorer component, or use the older one?

Thanks

David
  #12  
Old January 22nd 07, 01:10 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
Don Phillipson
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 524
Default Re-installing W98SE

"David" wrote in message
...
I have two computers: a new one running XP; and an old one running

98SE.
I've just about got everything I need off the old one, and onto the

new
one. The older one has serious problems. It may be hardware, but the

symptoms
appear as a non-functioning Windows Explorer. I can't use it. And

any
time a program tries to use it, the computer crashes. . . .
CD. Can I uninstall W98SE and re-install it from my CD? What are the
risks? What safeguard procedures should I follow?


"Ron Badour" wrote:

Your description suggests a system problem rather than hardware so a
reinstall is in order. Do not attempt to do an install over the

existing
system--format the partition and do a clean install. The only possible

risk
is if you don't have the drivers for your hardware. The drivers might

be
included if you have a restore disk. Or, you might have other disks

with
drivers. Or, you might have to determine what specific hardware you

have
and get drivers from the internet. For information on installing W98,

go
to: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/w98_restore.html (same site

that
Don recommends)


Thanks Ron.
I've sent the following message to Don, too. I haven't, yet, done the
re-install and I'm still looking for alternatives. Before I do this,
remembering the problem appears to inside Windows Explorer, if I up-graded

to
Windows NT, might that serve my purpose? I don't want to loose programs

nor
user files associated with, or running under W98SE... for example Quicken
2000. If I up-dated to NT, instead of re-installing W98, a). would I be

able
to up-grade to NT while my Win98 Windows Explorer is U/S?...and...b).

would
the up-grade install a new Windows Explorer component, or use the older

one?

1. Since you have transferred to your XP PC almost
everything you need, better follow RB's advice and
reformat and reinstal from scratch.
2. Alternatively, since hard drives are now so cheap,
you could fit a new HD as C:\ and instal to that (see
instructions at RB's web site). Then your old drive
will become D: (automatically since your FDISK
made it Primary DOS) and you can copy from it
anything you really need.
3. You will however need also to reinstal all your
user apps, and perhaps update them as well. The
point is that you do not know whether your problem
is caused by Registry errors. When over-installing
you may choose to reuse the old Registry or create
a new one from scratch. Most mavens think it is
simply too risky to reuse old Registries.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

and then


  #13  
Old January 22nd 07, 01:10 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
Don Phillipson
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 524
Default Re-installing W98SE

"David" wrote in message
...
I have two computers: a new one running XP; and an old one running

98SE.
I've just about got everything I need off the old one, and onto the

new
one. The older one has serious problems. It may be hardware, but the

symptoms
appear as a non-functioning Windows Explorer. I can't use it. And

any
time a program tries to use it, the computer crashes. . . .
CD. Can I uninstall W98SE and re-install it from my CD? What are the
risks? What safeguard procedures should I follow?


"Ron Badour" wrote:

Your description suggests a system problem rather than hardware so a
reinstall is in order. Do not attempt to do an install over the

existing
system--format the partition and do a clean install. The only possible

risk
is if you don't have the drivers for your hardware. The drivers might

be
included if you have a restore disk. Or, you might have other disks

with
drivers. Or, you might have to determine what specific hardware you

have
and get drivers from the internet. For information on installing W98,

go
to: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/w98_restore.html (same site

that
Don recommends)


Thanks Ron.
I've sent the following message to Don, too. I haven't, yet, done the
re-install and I'm still looking for alternatives. Before I do this,
remembering the problem appears to inside Windows Explorer, if I up-graded

to
Windows NT, might that serve my purpose? I don't want to loose programs

nor
user files associated with, or running under W98SE... for example Quicken
2000. If I up-dated to NT, instead of re-installing W98, a). would I be

able
to up-grade to NT while my Win98 Windows Explorer is U/S?...and...b).

would
the up-grade install a new Windows Explorer component, or use the older

one?

1. Since you have transferred to your XP PC almost
everything you need, better follow RB's advice and
reformat and reinstal from scratch.
2. Alternatively, since hard drives are now so cheap,
you could fit a new HD as C:\ and instal to that (see
instructions at RB's web site). Then your old drive
will become D: (automatically since your FDISK
made it Primary DOS) and you can copy from it
anything you really need.
3. You will however need also to reinstal all your
user apps, and perhaps update them as well. The
point is that you do not know whether your problem
is caused by Registry errors. When over-installing
you may choose to reuse the old Registry or create
a new one from scratch. Most mavens think it is
simply too risky to reuse old Registries.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

and then


  #14  
Old January 22nd 07, 01:15 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
Ron Badour
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 957
Default Re-installing W98SE

I don't know if it is even possible to upgrade to NT over W98. I have never
supported nor used NT.

--
Regards


Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo



"David" wrote in message
news


"Ron Badour" wrote:

Your description suggests a system problem rather than hardware so a
reinstall is in order. Do not attempt to do an install over the existing
system--format the partition and do a clean install. The only possible
risk
is if you don't have the drivers for your hardware. The drivers might be
included if you have a restore disk. Or, you might have other disks with
drivers. Or, you might have to determine what specific hardware you have
and get drivers from the internet. For information on installing W98, go
to: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/w98_restore.html (same site
that
Don recommends)


--
Regards


Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo



"David" wrote in message
...
I have two computers: a new one running XP; and an old one running 98SE.
I've just about got everything I need off the old one, and onto the new
one.
The older one has serious problems. It may be hardware, but the
symptoms
appear as a non-functioning Windows Explorer. I can't use it. And any
time
a program tries to use it, the computer crashes.
I know, I could give you more details about the crashes, but what I
really
want to know is this: I'm a legal user of W98SE. I have my original
W98SE
CD. Can I uninstall W98SE and re-install it from my CD? What are the
risks?
What safeguard procedures should I follow?






Thanks Ron.
I've sent the following message to Don, too. I haven't, yet, done the
re-install and I'm still looking for alternatives. Before I do this,
remembering the problem appears to inside Windows Explorer, if I up-graded
to
Windows NT, might that serve my purpose? I don't want to loose programs
nor
user files associated with, or running under W98SE... for example Quicken
2000. If I up-dated to NT, instead of re-installing W98, a). would I be
able
to up-grade to NT while my Win98 Windows Explorer is U/S?...and...b).
would
the up-grade install a new Windows Explorer component, or use the older
one?

Thanks

David



  #15  
Old January 22nd 07, 01:15 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
Ron Badour
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 957
Default Re-installing W98SE

I don't know if it is even possible to upgrade to NT over W98. I have never
supported nor used NT.

--
Regards


Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo



"David" wrote in message
news


"Ron Badour" wrote:

Your description suggests a system problem rather than hardware so a
reinstall is in order. Do not attempt to do an install over the existing
system--format the partition and do a clean install. The only possible
risk
is if you don't have the drivers for your hardware. The drivers might be
included if you have a restore disk. Or, you might have other disks with
drivers. Or, you might have to determine what specific hardware you have
and get drivers from the internet. For information on installing W98, go
to: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/w98_restore.html (same site
that
Don recommends)


--
Regards


Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo



"David" wrote in message
...
I have two computers: a new one running XP; and an old one running 98SE.
I've just about got everything I need off the old one, and onto the new
one.
The older one has serious problems. It may be hardware, but the
symptoms
appear as a non-functioning Windows Explorer. I can't use it. And any
time
a program tries to use it, the computer crashes.
I know, I could give you more details about the crashes, but what I
really
want to know is this: I'm a legal user of W98SE. I have my original
W98SE
CD. Can I uninstall W98SE and re-install it from my CD? What are the
risks?
What safeguard procedures should I follow?






Thanks Ron.
I've sent the following message to Don, too. I haven't, yet, done the
re-install and I'm still looking for alternatives. Before I do this,
remembering the problem appears to inside Windows Explorer, if I up-graded
to
Windows NT, might that serve my purpose? I don't want to loose programs
nor
user files associated with, or running under W98SE... for example Quicken
2000. If I up-dated to NT, instead of re-installing W98, a). would I be
able
to up-grade to NT while my Win98 Windows Explorer is U/S?...and...b).
would
the up-grade install a new Windows Explorer component, or use the older
one?

Thanks

David



  #16  
Old January 22nd 07, 02:36 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
David
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 21
Default Re-installing W98SE



"Don Phillipson" wrote:

"David" wrote in message
...
I have two computers: a new one running XP; and an old one running

98SE.
I've just about got everything I need off the old one, and onto the

new
one. The older one has serious problems. It may be hardware, but the

symptoms
appear as a non-functioning Windows Explorer. I can't use it. And

any
time a program tries to use it, the computer crashes. . . .
CD. Can I uninstall W98SE and re-install it from my CD? What are the
risks? What safeguard procedures should I follow?


"Ron Badour" wrote:

Your description suggests a system problem rather than hardware so a
reinstall is in order. Do not attempt to do an install over the

existing
system--format the partition and do a clean install. The only possible

risk
is if you don't have the drivers for your hardware. The drivers might

be
included if you have a restore disk. Or, you might have other disks

with
drivers. Or, you might have to determine what specific hardware you

have
and get drivers from the internet. For information on installing W98,

go
to: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/w98_restore.html (same site

that
Don recommends)


Thanks Ron.
I've sent the following message to Don, too. I haven't, yet, done the
re-install and I'm still looking for alternatives. Before I do this,
remembering the problem appears to inside Windows Explorer, if I up-graded

to
Windows NT, might that serve my purpose? I don't want to loose programs

nor
user files associated with, or running under W98SE... for example Quicken
2000. If I up-dated to NT, instead of re-installing W98, a). would I be

able
to up-grade to NT while my Win98 Windows Explorer is U/S?...and...b).

would
the up-grade install a new Windows Explorer component, or use the older

one?

1. Since you have transferred to your XP PC almost
everything you need, better follow RB's advice and
reformat and reinstal from scratch.
2. Alternatively, since hard drives are now so cheap,
you could fit a new HD as C:\ and instal to that (see
instructions at RB's web site). Then your old drive
will become D: (automatically since your FDISK
made it Primary DOS) and you can copy from it
anything you really need.
3. You will however need also to reinstal all your
user apps, and perhaps update them as well. The
point is that you do not know whether your problem
is caused by Registry errors. When over-installing
you may choose to reuse the old Registry or create
a new one from scratch. Most mavens think it is
simply too risky to reuse old Registries.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

and then


My old computer, I think, has already got a C: and a D: drive. Would a new (C HD have to occupy the same "physical space" as the old one did, or... could I buy a new (external) HD and designate it as the C: drive? Would the old C: and D: drives, then, get arbitrarily re-lettered? B-T-W, in my previous post I said I might up-grade to NT... I meant Win 2000. Does that make any difference to your response?

Thanks again, Don.
  #17  
Old January 22nd 07, 05:16 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
Don Phillipson
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 524
Default Re-installing W98SE

"David" wrote in message
...

2. Alternatively, since hard drives are now so cheap,
you could fit a new HD as C:\ and instal to that (see
instructions at RB's web site). Then your old drive
will become D: (automatically since your FDISK
made it Primary DOS) and you can copy from it
anything you really need.


My old computer, I think, has already got a C: and a D: drive. Would a

new (C HD have to occupy the same "physical space" as the old one did,
or... could I buy a new (external) HD and designate it as the C: drive?
Would the old C: and D: drives, then, get arbitrarily
re lettered?


BIOS identifies HDD #1 and #2. (I think DOS FDISK calls
them #0 and #1, a feature of its origins approx. 1985, but
forget this.)

Win98 looks through BIOS for a logical drive set (by FDISK)
as Primary DOS. This becomes drive C. For simplicity's
sake, what we plan to use as drive C should be installed in
the PC as Master drive on IDE line #1.

Win98 needs no more than a single Primary DOS drive (and
does not expect to find more than one, unless you have
a boot manager, to offer a choice at boot between
two or more different operating systems) . All other logical
drives are created by FDISK in the Extended DOS partition.
Whenever Win98 boot encounters a second Primary DOS
partition it automatically becomes drive D: (because it gets priority
over Ext DOS logical drives.)

Thus if your old PC has C: and D: on a single hard drive,
and you make that the slave and put a new HDD as Master:
1. The new drive becomes C: (after you FDISK it as Primary
DOS. You need to FORMAT it before Windows can use it,
e.g. instal the Win98 Operating System.)
2. Your old C (if still Primary DOS) automatically becomes
drive D, because it is the second Priimary DOS drive found.
3. Thereafter, any Ext DOS drives on HDD #1 are lettered
in order, starting with the next letter viz. E: Then follow
any Ext DOS drives found on HDD # 2. So (if you created
more than one drive on your new HDD) your old drive D
might become F or G etc.
4. Windows gives the next free drive letter(s) to the
CD drive(s) found (and after that any USB drive devices).
If we ever consider adding any drives, it is thus a good
idea to reassign a later drive letter to our CD drive. That
way, if you add an extra HDD, none of your Registry
details (e.g. filepath to source files for Windows or
drivers) needs to be updated. I always have any
CD-ROM set up as drive O and any CD R/W drive
as drive Q.
5. Point #3 is where drive identifying names become
useful, to distinguish between old D: and new D:
I name drives installed on date 1 July 2006 as
either Boot1JLY06 (if Primary DOS) or Data1JLY06
(if Ext DOS.)

B-T-W, in my previous post I said I might up-grade to NT... I meant Win

2000. Does that
make any difference to your response?


The standard question applies. What would Win2000
allow you to do that (1) you want to do now, and
(2) Win98SE does not allow?

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)


  #18  
Old January 22nd 07, 05:16 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
Don Phillipson
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 524
Default Re-installing W98SE

"David" wrote in message
...

2. Alternatively, since hard drives are now so cheap,
you could fit a new HD as C:\ and instal to that (see
instructions at RB's web site). Then your old drive
will become D: (automatically since your FDISK
made it Primary DOS) and you can copy from it
anything you really need.


My old computer, I think, has already got a C: and a D: drive. Would a

new (C HD have to occupy the same "physical space" as the old one did,
or... could I buy a new (external) HD and designate it as the C: drive?
Would the old C: and D: drives, then, get arbitrarily
re lettered?


BIOS identifies HDD #1 and #2. (I think DOS FDISK calls
them #0 and #1, a feature of its origins approx. 1985, but
forget this.)

Win98 looks through BIOS for a logical drive set (by FDISK)
as Primary DOS. This becomes drive C. For simplicity's
sake, what we plan to use as drive C should be installed in
the PC as Master drive on IDE line #1.

Win98 needs no more than a single Primary DOS drive (and
does not expect to find more than one, unless you have
a boot manager, to offer a choice at boot between
two or more different operating systems) . All other logical
drives are created by FDISK in the Extended DOS partition.
Whenever Win98 boot encounters a second Primary DOS
partition it automatically becomes drive D: (because it gets priority
over Ext DOS logical drives.)

Thus if your old PC has C: and D: on a single hard drive,
and you make that the slave and put a new HDD as Master:
1. The new drive becomes C: (after you FDISK it as Primary
DOS. You need to FORMAT it before Windows can use it,
e.g. instal the Win98 Operating System.)
2. Your old C (if still Primary DOS) automatically becomes
drive D, because it is the second Priimary DOS drive found.
3. Thereafter, any Ext DOS drives on HDD #1 are lettered
in order, starting with the next letter viz. E: Then follow
any Ext DOS drives found on HDD # 2. So (if you created
more than one drive on your new HDD) your old drive D
might become F or G etc.
4. Windows gives the next free drive letter(s) to the
CD drive(s) found (and after that any USB drive devices).
If we ever consider adding any drives, it is thus a good
idea to reassign a later drive letter to our CD drive. That
way, if you add an extra HDD, none of your Registry
details (e.g. filepath to source files for Windows or
drivers) needs to be updated. I always have any
CD-ROM set up as drive O and any CD R/W drive
as drive Q.
5. Point #3 is where drive identifying names become
useful, to distinguish between old D: and new D:
I name drives installed on date 1 July 2006 as
either Boot1JLY06 (if Primary DOS) or Data1JLY06
(if Ext DOS.)

B-T-W, in my previous post I said I might up-grade to NT... I meant Win

2000. Does that
make any difference to your response?


The standard question applies. What would Win2000
allow you to do that (1) you want to do now, and
(2) Win98SE does not allow?

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)


  #19  
Old January 22nd 07, 09:27 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
David
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 21
Default Re-installing W98SE



"Don Phillipson" wrote:

"David" wrote in message
...

2. Alternatively, since hard drives are now so cheap,
you could fit a new HD as C:\ and instal to that (see
instructions at RB's web site). Then your old drive
will become D: (automatically since your FDISK
made it Primary DOS) and you can copy from it
anything you really need.


My old computer, I think, has already got a C: and a D: drive. Would a

new (C HD have to occupy the same "physical space" as the old one did,
or... could I buy a new (external) HD and designate it as the C: drive?
Would the old C: and D: drives, then, get arbitrarily
re lettered?


BIOS identifies HDD #1 and #2. (I think DOS FDISK calls
them #0 and #1, a feature of its origins approx. 1985, but
forget this.)

Win98 looks through BIOS for a logical drive set (by FDISK)
as Primary DOS. This becomes drive C. For simplicity's
sake, what we plan to use as drive C should be installed in
the PC as Master drive on IDE line #1.

Win98 needs no more than a single Primary DOS drive (and
does not expect to find more than one, unless you have
a boot manager, to offer a choice at boot between
two or more different operating systems) . All other logical
drives are created by FDISK in the Extended DOS partition.
Whenever Win98 boot encounters a second Primary DOS
partition it automatically becomes drive D: (because it gets priority
over Ext DOS logical drives.)

Thus if your old PC has C: and D: on a single hard drive,
and you make that the slave and put a new HDD as Master:
1. The new drive becomes C: (after you FDISK it as Primary
DOS. You need to FORMAT it before Windows can use it,
e.g. instal the Win98 Operating System.)
2. Your old C (if still Primary DOS) automatically becomes
drive D, because it is the second Priimary DOS drive found.
3. Thereafter, any Ext DOS drives on HDD #1 are lettered
in order, starting with the next letter viz. E: Then follow
any Ext DOS drives found on HDD # 2. So (if you created
more than one drive on your new HDD) your old drive D
might become F or G etc.
4. Windows gives the next free drive letter(s) to the
CD drive(s) found (and after that any USB drive devices).
If we ever consider adding any drives, it is thus a good
idea to reassign a later drive letter to our CD drive. That
way, if you add an extra HDD, none of your Registry
details (e.g. filepath to source files for Windows or
drivers) needs to be updated. I always have any
CD-ROM set up as drive O and any CD R/W drive
as drive Q.
5. Point #3 is where drive identifying names become
useful, to distinguish between old D: and new D:
I name drives installed on date 1 July 2006 as
either Boot1JLY06 (if Primary DOS) or Data1JLY06
(if Ext DOS.)

B-T-W, in my previous post I said I might up-grade to NT... I meant Win

2000. Does that
make any difference to your response?


The standard question applies. What would Win2000
allow you to do that (1) you want to do now, and
(2) Win98SE does not allow?

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)


The standard question is always apt... and I have an answer: What my Win98SE does not have is a functioning Windows Explorer. I can't use it. Any time I, or

a program, tries to use it, the computer crashes. Soooo, I thought an
up-grade might replace that faulty component, and yet not be too large for my
old computer AND allow me to run the older programs I'm so hooked on. An
up-grade to Win2000 (that IS different from Windows NT, isn't it?) may allow
an "intermediate up-grade" and, at the same time, replace my faulty "Windows
Explorer".
  #20  
Old January 22nd 07, 09:48 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
Don Phillipson
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 524
Default Re-installing W98SE

"David" wrote in message
...

What my Win98SE does not have is a functioning Windows Explorer.
I can't use it. Any time I, or
a program, tries to use it, the computer crashes. Soooo, I thought an
up-grade might replace that faulty component, and yet not be too large for

my
old computer AND allow me to run the older programs I'm so hooked on. An
up-grade to Win2000 (that IS different from Windows NT, isn't it?) may

allow
an "intermediate up-grade" and, at the same time, replace my faulty

"Windows
Explorer".


EXPLORE.EXE is not a "component" of the Win98
Operating System so much as its core -- the essential
central part that enables the peripheral parts to work.
You may be able to repair yours by running the year 2004
Upgrade/Security disk or any of several service upgrades.
We do not know. That is why your fastest route to a serviceable
PC is to reinstal Win98SE which takes about 45 minutes.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)


 




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