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Shell32 file replacement Test results
Hmm, seems there may be issues to discuss.
Background: "Rick Chauvin" wrote in message ... | | | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message | | | [....] | | BTW: I'm now testing a single file replacement supposedly for the large | file deletion /moving issue, and related issues pursuant other program | | [....] | | It occasionally surfaces every once in awhile, even recently mentioned | in one of the discussions as an "off-shoot". Some have a problem, some | don't.. | | You can read about the supposed fixes that have been tried, and the file | I'm testing here. | http://www.msfn.org/board/?showtopic=84451 | | | That's very interesting MEB the webpage you pointed out, with how they | tried adjusting the SHELL32.DLL to try and resolve that file delete | problem. I'm glad you posted that link or I may never have seen it. I did | of course install the file to test it, but unfortunately it did not solve | the problem on my 9x partitions available. I even signed up at that forum | you linked and just made a post about my findings there. | | Thanks for the heads up about it, of which I'm glad someone is still | looking into it, although as days go by I boot to 98SE less and less often | and so imagine at some point it will be less of an issue for fewer and | fewer people; however even still I do hope that anonymous programmer still | comes up with a resolve. | | Rick | | Rick I downloaded your 2500 file test and ran it through to see if it might alter my present findings. Here are the results: TEST OF SHELL32 FILE REPLACEMENT 2500 files in c:\2500 *with 10% Recycle Bin no problems with directory delete from Explorer or Recycle Bin *with 0% Recycle Bin No problems deleting directory *Do not move to Recycle Bin No problems Test in c:\Upgrades\Microsoft\rdchauvin\2500 Do not move to Recycle Bin *Deletion by files highlighted, pause while queued, no paper thrown, no other problems *Deletion by directory, no problems --- I noted that your test failed. So perhaps we need to discuss what or why yours did or why mine did not. My system: ABit BH6R2 over-clocked at 133mhz FSB, 733 PIII, 256 mem. OS 98SE as Microsoft left it at "End of Life support". IE /OE 6 Running progs: AVG Logitech Mouse Kerio PF WinTidy NVidia Desktop Aureal Sound Control Explorer UEdit for documentation WinZip for extraction (and the normal stuff Microsoft runs) -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real world" "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill Or to put it another way: Morpheus can offer you the two pills; but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one. _______________ |
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"MEB" meb@not wrote in message Hmm, seems there may be issues to discuss. [....] *Deletion by files highlighted, pause while queued, no paper thrown, no other problems *Deletion by directory, no problems --- I noted that your test failed. So perhaps we need to discuss what or why yours did or why mine did not. Well MEB since I made the Shell98.exe fix, I had also made another install change from their site afterwards which they had recommended, which was Copy2gb.exe, and so pressing 6 at the dos prompt to swap the v6 dlls back to test it again, low and behold I've deleted the 2500 files, and restored them back from the recycle bin, and did that a number of times, then pushing it I selected all and copied the 2500 files and pasted into the same folder now getting 5,000 and then deleting and restoring those, with no problems. I need to test it a few more times but at the moment it looks like it may be a good workaround for the issue. For reference, MEB is talking about the well known: Win98x with IE6x quantity file delete hang bug This website says it has the fix for it now, and so what I did was to install their latest SHELL98.exe fix from this page: http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?...ost&p=57213 7 ..'once your on that page' then it will let you download the file when you click the link there called: http://www.mdgx.com/files/SHELL98.exe ..and as also suggested somewhere in that 4 page thread was to also be sure to install the other particular Copy2gb.exe from one of their other pages just in case. Let's see.. it's on this page and called: 2 GB Files Kernel patch now fixes correct API function [SetFilePointer] ...talked about from the middle on this webpage http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?...ost&p=55393 3 ..'once your on that page' then it will let you download the file when you click the link there called: http://www.mdgx.com/files/COPY2GB.exe I installed both which are very simple installs just replacing a dll in each case (kernel32.dll & shell32.dll) ...and so far after a few tests it "seems" at this point anyway, to be a great alternative instead of using the IE v5.5 Browselc.dll & Browseui.dll's to solve the large file quantity delete problem, but also now lets us copy/paste files larger than 2GB in Win9x which we could never do before. Read about it all if you want. It takes a long while to read all the posts, sidetracks, and put together a timeline, and understand it. Well only time will tell... ..but so far so good, and I will test more when time permits. I'll have to go over there and make an amended post after I check it over again once more after work tomorow. Thanks for the proding MEB.. Rick My system: ABit BH6R2 over-clocked at 133mhz FSB, 733 PIII, 256 mem. OS 98SE as Microsoft left it at "End of Life support". IE /OE 6 Running progs: AVG Logitech Mouse Kerio PF WinTidy NVidia Desktop Aureal Sound Control Explorer UEdit for documentation WinZip for extraction (and the normal stuff Microsoft runs) -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real world" "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill Or to put it another way: Morpheus can offer you the two pills; but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one. _______________ |
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Shell32 file replacement Test results
"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message ... | | | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message | | Hmm, seems there may be issues to discuss. | | [....] | | *Deletion by files highlighted, pause while queued, no paper thrown, no | other problems | | *Deletion by directory, no problems | --- | | I noted that your test failed. So perhaps we need to discuss what or why | yours did or why mine did not. | | Well MEB since I made the Shell98.exe fix, I had also made another install | change from their site afterwards which they had recommended, which was | Copy2gb.exe, and so pressing 6 at the dos prompt to swap the v6 dlls back | to test it again, low and behold I've deleted the 2500 files, and restored | them back from the recycle bin, and did that a number of times, then | pushing it I selected all and copied the 2500 files and pasted into the | same folder now getting 5,000 and then deleting and restoring those, with | no problems. I need to test it a few more times but at the moment it looks | like it may be a good workaround for the issue. | | For reference, MEB is talking about the well known: | Win98x with IE6x quantity file delete hang bug | | This website says it has the fix for it now, and so what I did was to | install their latest SHELL98.exe fix from this page: | http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?...ost&p=57213 7 | ..'once your on that page' then it will let you download the file when you | click the link there called: | http://www.mdgx.com/files/SHELL98.exe | ..and as also suggested somewhere in that 4 page thread was to also be | sure to install the other particular Copy2gb.exe from one of their other | pages just in case. Let's see.. it's on this page and called: | 2 GB Files Kernel patch now fixes correct API function [SetFilePointer] | ..talked about from the middle on this webpage | http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?...ost&p=55393 3 | ..'once your on that page' then it will let you download the file when you | click the link there called: | http://www.mdgx.com/files/COPY2GB.exe | | I installed both which are very simple installs just replacing a dll in | each case (kernel32.dll & shell32.dll) ...and so far after a few tests it | "seems" at this point anyway, to be a great alternative instead of using | the IE v5.5 Browselc.dll & Browseui.dll's to solve the large file quantity | delete problem, but also now lets us copy/paste files larger than 2GB in | Win9x which we could never do before. | | Read about it all if you want. It takes a long while to read all the | posts, sidetracks, and put together a timeline, and understand it. | | Well only time will tell... ..but so far so good, and I will test more | when time permits. I'll have to go over there and make an amended post | after I check it over again once more after work tomorow. | | Thanks for the proding MEB.. | | Rick | Hey, when we actually might have something of value that really fixes a problem, best we make the effort to verify it.. always nice to be able to rate something installable and works.. Had me wondering there for awhile... keep me advised, might save more coding and testing headaches.. FWIW: tested with my standard or not so standard tools, the shellfix appears to not make any untoward impact in the system [per as advised in thread] or calls which can't be traced back to IE 6 installations. | | | My system: | | ABit BH6R2 over-clocked at 133mhz FSB, 733 PIII, 256 mem. | OS 98SE as Microsoft left it at "End of Life support". | IE /OE 6 | Running progs: | AVG | Logitech Mouse | Kerio PF | WinTidy | NVidia Desktop | Aureal Sound Control | Explorer | UEdit for documentation | WinZip for extraction | (and the normal stuff Microsoft runs) OOPS, should be a BX6R2 for the mobo... -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real world" "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill Or to put it another way: Morpheus can offer you the two pills; but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one. _______________ |
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Sorry Rick, forgot to reference your testing page and file for verification
and testing, which others might be interested in... http://rdchauvin.com/W98xIE6xBug.htm direct download here, but take the time to read his page, so you understand the error and a previous testing procedure... http://www.rdchauvin.com/2500.zip And of course, before we forget, this: NOTICE: This discussion is not a recommendation of any changes, additions, or modifications to anyone's operating system or computer. This is a discussion of attempts to locate and address, certain and defined problems and/or issues which might occur after installation of and/or due to installation of IE 6/OE, and the testing procedures used. No claim of fitness for any particular use and/or recommendation of these testing procedures, is extended or to be construed. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real world" "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill Or to put it another way: Morpheus can offer you the two pills; but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one. _______________ "Rick Chauvin" wrote in message ... | | | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message | | Hmm, seems there may be issues to discuss. | | [....] | | *Deletion by files highlighted, pause while queued, no paper thrown, no | other problems | | *Deletion by directory, no problems | --- | | I noted that your test failed. So perhaps we need to discuss what or why | yours did or why mine did not. | | Well MEB since I made the Shell98.exe fix, I had also made another install | change from their site afterwards which they had recommended, which was | Copy2gb.exe, and so pressing 6 at the dos prompt to swap the v6 dlls back | to test it again, low and behold I've deleted the 2500 files, and restored | them back from the recycle bin, and did that a number of times, then | pushing it I selected all and copied the 2500 files and pasted into the | same folder now getting 5,000 and then deleting and restoring those, with | no problems. I need to test it a few more times but at the moment it looks | like it may be a good workaround for the issue. | | For reference, MEB is talking about the well known: | Win98x with IE6x quantity file delete hang bug | | This website says it has the fix for it now, and so what I did was to | install their latest SHELL98.exe fix from this page: | http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?...ost&p=57213 7 | ..'once your on that page' then it will let you download the file when you | click the link there called: | http://www.mdgx.com/files/SHELL98.exe | ..and as also suggested somewhere in that 4 page thread was to also be | sure to install the other particular Copy2gb.exe from one of their other | pages just in case. Let's see.. it's on this page and called: | 2 GB Files Kernel patch now fixes correct API function [SetFilePointer] | ..talked about from the middle on this webpage | http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?...ost&p=55393 3 | ..'once your on that page' then it will let you download the file when you | click the link there called: | http://www.mdgx.com/files/COPY2GB.exe | | I installed both which are very simple installs just replacing a dll in | each case (kernel32.dll & shell32.dll) ...and so far after a few tests it | "seems" at this point anyway, to be a great alternative instead of using | the IE v5.5 Browselc.dll & Browseui.dll's to solve the large file quantity | delete problem, but also now lets us copy/paste files larger than 2GB in | Win9x which we could never do before. | | Read about it all if you want. It takes a long while to read all the | posts, sidetracks, and put together a timeline, and understand it. | | Well only time will tell... ..but so far so good, and I will test more | when time permits. I'll have to go over there and make an amended post | after I check it over again once more after work tomorow. | | Thanks for the proding MEB.. | | Rick | | | | My system: | | ABit BH6R2 over-clocked at 133mhz FSB, 733 PIII, 256 mem. | OS 98SE as Microsoft left it at "End of Life support". | IE /OE 6 | Running progs: | AVG | Logitech Mouse | Kerio PF | WinTidy | NVidia Desktop | Aureal Sound Control | Explorer | UEdit for documentation | WinZip for extraction | (and the normal stuff Microsoft runs) | | -- | MEB | http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ | BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real | world" | | "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. | Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as | if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill | Or to put it another way: | Morpheus can offer you the two pills; | but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one. | _______________ | |
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But since you have made all these changes, I wonder if it works (solves the
Explorer file copy/delete hang problem) on a system which has not had all these changes made in the first place. (That is, only changing shell32 on a system with IE6 SP1 which has not been otherwise modified) What is also interesting is that these changes were solely made to shell32.dll, and didn't need to involve the two browse DLL files. So one might expect that the results could possibly be different, at least in some cases, and that maybe this shell32.dll workaround is not as infallable (in regards to the large number of files copy/delete issue) as the 2 DLL file swap (disregarding the alleged security issues). Don't know....just throwing this out here... Rick Chauvin wrote: "MEB" meb@not wrote in message Hmm, seems there may be issues to discuss. [....] *Deletion by files highlighted, pause while queued, no paper thrown, no other problems *Deletion by directory, no problems --- I noted that your test failed. So perhaps we need to discuss what or why yours did or why mine did not. Well MEB since I made the Shell98.exe fix, I had also made another install change from their site afterwards which they had recommended, which was Copy2gb.exe, and so pressing 6 at the dos prompt to swap the v6 dlls back to test it again, low and behold I've deleted the 2500 files, and restored them back from the recycle bin, and did that a number of times, then pushing it I selected all and copied the 2500 files and pasted into the same folder now getting 5,000 and then deleting and restoring those, with no problems. I need to test it a few more times but at the moment it looks like it may be a good workaround for the issue. For reference, MEB is talking about the well known: Win98x with IE6x quantity file delete hang bug This website says it has the fix for it now, and so what I did was to install their latest SHELL98.exe fix from this page: http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?...ndpost&p=57213 7 ..'once your on that page' then it will let you download the file when you click the link there called: http://www.mdgx.com/files/SHELL98.exe ..and as also suggested somewhere in that 4 page thread was to also be sure to install the other particular Copy2gb.exe from one of their other pages just in case. Let's see.. it's on this page and called: 2 GB Files Kernel patch now fixes correct API function [SetFilePointer] ..talked about from the middle on this webpage http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?...ndpost&p=55393 3 ..'once your on that page' then it will let you download the file when you click the link there called: http://www.mdgx.com/files/COPY2GB.exe I installed both which are very simple installs just replacing a dll in each case (kernel32.dll & shell32.dll) ...and so far after a few tests it "seems" at this point anyway, to be a great alternative instead of using the IE v5.5 Browselc.dll & Browseui.dll's to solve the large file quantity delete problem, but also now lets us copy/paste files larger than 2GB in Win9x which we could never do before. Read about it all if you want. It takes a long while to read all the posts, sidetracks, and put together a timeline, and understand it. Well only time will tell... ..but so far so good, and I will test more when time permits. I'll have to go over there and make an amended post after I check it over again once more after work tomorow. Thanks for the proding MEB.. Rick My system: ABit BH6R2 over-clocked at 133mhz FSB, 733 PIII, 256 mem. OS 98SE as Microsoft left it at "End of Life support". IE /OE 6 Running progs: AVG Logitech Mouse Kerio PF WinTidy NVidia Desktop Aureal Sound Control Explorer UEdit for documentation WinZip for extraction (and the normal stuff Microsoft runs) -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real world" "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill Or to put it another way: Morpheus can offer you the two pills; but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one. _______________ |
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On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 01:25:35 -0700, "Bill in Co."
wrote: But since you have made all these changes, I wonder if it works (solves the Explorer file copy/delete hang problem) on a system which has not had all these changes made in the first place. (That is, only changing shell32 on a system with IE6 SP1 which has not been otherwise modified) What is also interesting is that these changes were solely made to shell32.dll, and didn't need to involve the two browse DLL files. So one might expect that the results could possibly be different, at least in some cases, and that maybe this shell32.dll workaround is not as infallable (in regards to the large number of files copy/delete issue) as the 2 DLL file swap (disregarding the alleged security issues). Don't know....just throwing this out here... This machine has unaltered (unused) IE6 with all MS updates for W98. I'll try the shell32 fix after the Xmas holiday back-up. RL |
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"Bill in Co." wrote in message ... | But since you have made all these changes, I wonder if it works (solves the | Explorer file copy/delete hang problem) on a system which has not had all | these changes made in the first place. (That is, only changing shell32 on | a system with IE6 SP1 which has not been otherwise modified) | | What is also interesting is that these changes were solely made to | shell32.dll, and didn't need to involve the two browse DLL files. So one | might expect that the results could possibly be different, at least in some | cases, and that maybe this shell32.dll workaround is not as infallable (in | regards to the large number of files copy/delete issue) as the 2 DLL file | swap (disregarding the alleged security issues). | | Don't know....just throwing this out here... The system in which I have tested this, is not altered in any fashion, as noted in the original post. It does NOT have tweakui installed, has not had registry changes made, or any other none standard settings. As stated, it is as Microsoft left it "at end of life support". There is one other changed file, a vgx.dll replacement which was not registered. It does not come into play for this test, though if necessary, the original can be replaced. Testing procedures for issues which might be involved or pursuant to the file test, have included [though not limited thereto] those in a fashion as described he http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/re...ys_diagnos.htm - System Diagnostics - Parts 1 and 2 As noted though, there was: Test in c:\Upgrades\Microsoft\rdchauvin\2500 Do not move to Recycle Bin *Deletion by files highlighted, pause while queued, no paper thrown, no other problems Which appears to be related to 16bit application/resources. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real world" "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill Or to put it another way: Morpheus can offer you the two pills; but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one. _______________ | | Rick Chauvin wrote: | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message | | Hmm, seems there may be issues to discuss. | | [....] | | *Deletion by files highlighted, pause while queued, no paper thrown, no | other problems | | *Deletion by directory, no problems | --- | | I noted that your test failed. So perhaps we need to discuss what or why | yours did or why mine did not. | | Well MEB since I made the Shell98.exe fix, I had also made another install | change from their site afterwards which they had recommended, which was | Copy2gb.exe, and so pressing 6 at the dos prompt to swap the v6 dlls back | to test it again, low and behold I've deleted the 2500 files, and restored | them back from the recycle bin, and did that a number of times, then | pushing it I selected all and copied the 2500 files and pasted into the | same folder now getting 5,000 and then deleting and restoring those, with | no problems. I need to test it a few more times but at the moment it | looks | like it may be a good workaround for the issue. | | For reference, MEB is talking about the well known: | Win98x with IE6x quantity file delete hang bug | | This website says it has the fix for it now, and so what I did was to | install their latest SHELL98.exe fix from this page: | | http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?...ndpost&p=57213 | 7 | ..'once your on that page' then it will let you download the file when | you | click the link there called: | http://www.mdgx.com/files/SHELL98.exe | ..and as also suggested somewhere in that 4 page thread was to also be | sure to install the other particular Copy2gb.exe from one of their other | pages just in case. Let's see.. it's on this page and called: | 2 GB Files Kernel patch now fixes correct API function [SetFilePointer] | ..talked about from the middle on this webpage | | http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?...ndpost&p=55393 | 3 | ..'once your on that page' then it will let you download the file when | you | click the link there called: | http://www.mdgx.com/files/COPY2GB.exe | | I installed both which are very simple installs just replacing a dll in | each case (kernel32.dll & shell32.dll) ...and so far after a few tests it | "seems" at this point anyway, to be a great alternative instead of using | the IE v5.5 Browselc.dll & Browseui.dll's to solve the large file quantity | delete problem, but also now lets us copy/paste files larger than 2GB in | Win9x which we could never do before. | | Read about it all if you want. It takes a long while to read all the | posts, sidetracks, and put together a timeline, and understand it. | | Well only time will tell... ..but so far so good, and I will test more | when time permits. I'll have to go over there and make an amended post | after I check it over again once more after work tomorow. | | Thanks for the proding MEB.. | | Rick | | | | My system: | | ABit BH6R2 over-clocked at 133mhz FSB, 733 PIII, 256 mem. | OS 98SE as Microsoft left it at "End of Life support". | IE /OE 6 | Running progs: | AVG | Logitech Mouse | Kerio PF | WinTidy | NVidia Desktop | Aureal Sound Control | Explorer | UEdit for documentation | WinZip for extraction | (and the normal stuff Microsoft runs) | | -- | MEB | http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ | BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real | world" | | "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. | Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as | if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill | Or to put it another way: | Morpheus can offer you the two pills; | but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one. | _______________ | | |
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OK, and I admitedly haven't been following this thread religiously, but I
thought I had read somewhere in here (i.e., one of the responses) that someone HAD tried it, and it didn't work for them. But maybe I'm remembering this wrong. MEB wrote: "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... But since you have made all these changes, I wonder if it works (solves the Explorer file copy/delete hang problem) on a system which has not had all these changes made in the first place. (That is, only changing shell32 on a system with IE6 SP1 which has not been otherwise modified) What is also interesting is that these changes were solely made to shell32.dll, and didn't need to involve the two browse DLL files. So one might expect that the results could possibly be different, at least in some cases, and that maybe this shell32.dll workaround is not as infallable (in regards to the large number of files copy/delete issue) as the 2 DLL file swap (disregarding the alleged security issues). Don't know....just throwing this out here... The system in which I have tested this, is not altered in any fashion, as noted in the original post. It does NOT have tweakui installed, has not had registry changes made, or any other none standard settings. As stated, it is as Microsoft left it "at end of life support". There is one other changed file, a vgx.dll replacement which was not registered. It does not come into play for this test, though if necessary, the original can be replaced. Testing procedures for issues which might be involved or pursuant to the file test, have included [though not limited thereto] those in a fashion as described he http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/re...ys_diagnos.htm - System Diagnostics - Parts 1 and 2 As noted though, there was: Test in c:\Upgrades\Microsoft\rdchauvin\2500 Do not move to Recycle Bin *Deletion by files highlighted, pause while queued, no paper thrown, no other problems Which appears to be related to 16bit application/resources. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real world" "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill Or to put it another way: Morpheus can offer you the two pills; but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one. _______________ Rick Chauvin wrote: "MEB" meb@not wrote in message Hmm, seems there may be issues to discuss. [....] *Deletion by files highlighted, pause while queued, no paper thrown, no other problems *Deletion by directory, no problems --- I noted that your test failed. So perhaps we need to discuss what or why yours did or why mine did not. Well MEB since I made the Shell98.exe fix, I had also made another install change from their site afterwards which they had recommended, which was Copy2gb.exe, and so pressing 6 at the dos prompt to swap the v6 dlls back to test it again, low and behold I've deleted the 2500 files, and restored them back from the recycle bin, and did that a number of times, then pushing it I selected all and copied the 2500 files and pasted into the same folder now getting 5,000 and then deleting and restoring those, with no problems. I need to test it a few more times but at the moment it looks like it may be a good workaround for the issue. For reference, MEB is talking about the well known: Win98x with IE6x quantity file delete hang bug This website says it has the fix for it now, and so what I did was to install their latest SHELL98.exe fix from this page: http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?...ndpost&p=57213 7 ..'once your on that page' then it will let you download the file when you click the link there called: http://www.mdgx.com/files/SHELL98.exe ..and as also suggested somewhere in that 4 page thread was to also be sure to install the other particular Copy2gb.exe from one of their other pages just in case. Let's see.. it's on this page and called: 2 GB Files Kernel patch now fixes correct API function [SetFilePointer] ..talked about from the middle on this webpage http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?...ndpost&p=55393 3 ..'once your on that page' then it will let you download the file when you click the link there called: http://www.mdgx.com/files/COPY2GB.exe I installed both which are very simple installs just replacing a dll in each case (kernel32.dll & shell32.dll) ...and so far after a few tests it "seems" at this point anyway, to be a great alternative instead of using the IE v5.5 Browselc.dll & Browseui.dll's to solve the large file quantity delete problem, but also now lets us copy/paste files larger than 2GB in Win9x which we could never do before. Read about it all if you want. It takes a long while to read all the posts, sidetracks, and put together a timeline, and understand it. Well only time will tell... ..but so far so good, and I will test more when time permits. I'll have to go over there and make an amended post after I check it over again once more after work tomorow. Thanks for the proding MEB.. Rick My system: ABit BH6R2 over-clocked at 133mhz FSB, 733 PIII, 256 mem. OS 98SE as Microsoft left it at "End of Life support". IE /OE 6 Running progs: AVG Logitech Mouse Kerio PF WinTidy NVidia Desktop Aureal Sound Control Explorer UEdit for documentation WinZip for extraction (and the normal stuff Microsoft runs) -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real world" "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill Or to put it another way: Morpheus can offer you the two pills; but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one. _______________ |
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"Bill in Co." wrote in message ... | OK, and I admitedly haven't been following this thread religiously, but I | thought I had read somewhere in here (i.e., one of the responses) that | someone HAD tried it, and it didn't work for them. But maybe I'm | remembering this wrong. | Not exactly in this thread, but elsewhere, which thread showed two apparent failures, one of which was Rick's. Apparently, it is not even considered as viable now in the other Forum's thread [which Rick and I referenced], it has drifted off into other far reaching aspects, much to the dismay of the moderator. Rather like threads sometimes become here. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real world" "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill Or to put it another way: Morpheus can offer you the two pills; but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one. _______________ | MEB wrote: | "Bill in Co." wrote in message | ... | But since you have made all these changes, I wonder if it works (solves | the | Explorer file copy/delete hang problem) on a system which has not had all | these changes made in the first place. (That is, only changing shell32 | on | a system with IE6 SP1 which has not been otherwise modified) | | What is also interesting is that these changes were solely made to | shell32.dll, and didn't need to involve the two browse DLL files. So | one | might expect that the results could possibly be different, at least in | some | cases, and that maybe this shell32.dll workaround is not as infallable | (in | regards to the large number of files copy/delete issue) as the 2 DLL file | swap (disregarding the alleged security issues). | | Don't know....just throwing this out here... | | The system in which I have tested this, is not altered in any fashion, as | noted in the original post. | It does NOT have tweakui installed, has not had registry changes made, or | any other none standard settings. | | As stated, it is as Microsoft left it "at end of life support". There is | one other changed file, a vgx.dll replacement which was not registered. It | does not come into play for this test, though if necessary, the original | can | be replaced. | Testing procedures for issues which might be involved or pursuant to the | file test, have included [though not limited thereto] those in a fashion | as | described he | http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/re...ys_diagnos.htm - System | Diagnostics - Parts 1 and 2 | | As noted though, there was: | | Test in c:\Upgrades\Microsoft\rdchauvin\2500 | | Do not move to Recycle Bin | | *Deletion by files highlighted, pause while queued, no paper thrown, no | other problems | | Which appears to be related to 16bit application/resources. | | -- | MEB | http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ | BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real | world" | | "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. | Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as | if | nothing had happen." Winston Churchill | Or to put it another way: | Morpheus can offer you the two pills; | but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one. | _______________ | | | | Rick Chauvin wrote: | "MEB" meb@not wrote in message | | Hmm, seems there may be issues to discuss. | | [....] | | *Deletion by files highlighted, pause while queued, no paper thrown, no | other problems | | *Deletion by directory, no problems | --- | | I noted that your test failed. So perhaps we need to discuss what or | why | yours did or why mine did not. | | Well MEB since I made the Shell98.exe fix, I had also made another | install | change from their site afterwards which they had recommended, which was | Copy2gb.exe, and so pressing 6 at the dos prompt to swap the v6 dlls | back | to test it again, low and behold I've deleted the 2500 files, and | restored | them back from the recycle bin, and did that a number of times, then | pushing it I selected all and copied the 2500 files and pasted into the | same folder now getting 5,000 and then deleting and restoring those, | with | no problems. I need to test it a few more times but at the moment it | looks | like it may be a good workaround for the issue. | | For reference, MEB is talking about the well known: | Win98x with IE6x quantity file delete hang bug | | This website says it has the fix for it now, and so what I did was to | install their latest SHELL98.exe fix from this page: | | | | http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?...ndpost&p=57213 | 7 | ..'once your on that page' then it will let you download the file when | you | click the link there called: | http://www.mdgx.com/files/SHELL98.exe | ..and as also suggested somewhere in that 4 page thread was to also be | sure to install the other particular Copy2gb.exe from one of their other | pages just in case. Let's see.. it's on this page and called: | 2 GB Files Kernel patch now fixes correct API function [SetFilePointer] | ..talked about from the middle on this webpage | | | | http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?...ndpost&p=55393 | 3 | ..'once your on that page' then it will let you download the file when | you | click the link there called: | http://www.mdgx.com/files/COPY2GB.exe | | I installed both which are very simple installs just replacing a dll in | each case (kernel32.dll & shell32.dll) ...and so far after a few tests | it | "seems" at this point anyway, to be a great alternative instead of using | the IE v5.5 Browselc.dll & Browseui.dll's to solve the large file | quantity | delete problem, but also now lets us copy/paste files larger than 2GB in | Win9x which we could never do before. | | Read about it all if you want. It takes a long while to read all the | posts, sidetracks, and put together a timeline, and understand it. | | Well only time will tell... ..but so far so good, and I will test more | when time permits. I'll have to go over there and make an amended post | after I check it over again once more after work tomorow. | | Thanks for the proding MEB.. | | Rick | | | | My system: | | ABit BH6R2 over-clocked at 133mhz FSB, 733 PIII, 256 mem. | OS 98SE as Microsoft left it at "End of Life support". | IE /OE 6 | Running progs: | AVG | Logitech Mouse | Kerio PF | WinTidy | NVidia Desktop | Aureal Sound Control | Explorer | UEdit for documentation | WinZip for extraction | (and the normal stuff Microsoft runs) | | -- | MEB | http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ | BLOG http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real | world" | | "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. | Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business | as | if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill | Or to put it another way: | Morpheus can offer you the two pills; | but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one. | _______________ | | |
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