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How can I get rid of 'Ramdrive' on startup disk?
You guys are strange, you make such a big deal about meaningless stuff. Who
cares if my email is different from my name, who cares if I have my preferences? Obviously I know I can boot without the ramdrive but I have to give up my CD at the same time. But thanks for your heckles, I figured out how to do it. Obviously everyone in this newsgroup is too concerned with how different other people are to actually answer a question. This is a newsgroup, not a chat room, look it up and see the difference then go to a chat room instead. Kevin "Doc" ] wrote in message ... "Mike M" wrote in : Oh yes you have and do! - every time you run and use the Startup disk!! Mart, That's not strictly true if the poster chooses option 4 from the menu. No RAMdrive and no tools. And edit the [Menu] section of config.sys to make option 4 the default option that is selected if no button is pressed. menudefault=QUICK,10 for a 10 second time out. |
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How can I get rid of 'Ramdrive' on startup disk?
Thank you John John for not freaking out about my seemingly strange request.
I am aware of Bootdisk.com and I did download a boot disk without the ramdrive but it did some other strange things in place of the ramdrive and it took an extremely long time to boot so it is not acceptable to me. I was hoping there was an easy fix but I know how to create a boot disk with CDrom support so I will just go through that hassle. It is probably the only way. Thanks Keven "John John" wrote in message ... You can do it the easy way, go to bootdisk.com and you will find such a thing there for download. John Kevin J. Nielsen wrote: I would love to make a Millennium startup disk without the Ramdrive. This is so irritating, I have never used it and I never will. I tried editing out all references to ramdrive from the autoexec.bat file but then it wouldnt boot. Does anyone know how to get rid of Ramdrive from the startup disk while keeping the boot disk functional? Thank You Keven Nielsen |
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How can I get rid of 'Ramdrive' on startup disk?
Mart, thank you for taking the time to explain to me what the ramdrive is
for, that is interesting. I also appreciated the link you sent, more interesting information. I dont understand what my preference has to do with my question; the question exists independently of my preference. If you must know, I have never liked things that have no useful purpose. To me, Ramdrive has no useful purpose; I have never used it and I will never have a use for it. I have many other troubleshooting tools I prefer to use over the tools on the startup disk. I only use the disk to boot to dos with cdrom support, I have never had a reason to use the troubleshooting tools and if I did, I wouldnt because I have other tools. Keven "Mart" wrote in message ... I'm not sure that you understand the purpose and function of the Ramdrive used by the WinMe Startup disk, nor do I understand quite why you think it an irritation. ... I have never used it and I never will. Oh yes you have and do! - every time you run and use the Startup disk!! As the 1.4 Mb floppy Startup disk has only some 200kb or so of unused space spare and it does not use (access) space on your hard drive - it may be faulty, unformatted or not even installed! - it reserves some 4 Mb of your RAM (32 Mb minimum requirement for WinMe!) as 'work-space' in which to actually load and run any/all of the troubleshooting utilities supplied on the Startup disk. Not too sure what you might be doing with the other available 28 Mb of RAM whilst needing the Startup disk, so can't see why you are irritated. Although slightly out of context, see also the 2nd paragraph under 'More Information' in :- "Unable to Load Ramdrive.sys in Windows Millennium Edition" http://support.microsoft.com/kb/278620/en-us I tried editing out all references to ramdrive from the autoexec.bat file but then it wouldnt boot. Hardly surprising then! Mart "Kevin J. Nielsen" wrote in message ... I would love to make a Millennium startup disk without the Ramdrive. This is so irritating, I have never used it and I never will. I tried editing out all references to ramdrive from the autoexec.bat file but then it wouldnt boot. Does anyone know how to get rid of Ramdrive from the startup disk while keeping the boot disk functional? Thank You Keven Nielsen |
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How can I get rid of 'Ramdrive' on startup disk?
Hello Shane. First of all, if you don't have anything relevant to
contribute, then why are you even in this newsgroup? You actually think it is "Loony" that someone doesn't want or need Ramdrive?? Where are you from? I would assume it is a place where everybody has to think the same way or be cast out. I am sorry I don't think the same way as you; good thing we don't have to interact much. Also, I guess this place you are from does not allow people to have email addresses that are spelled different from their name, that is strange. Where I come from people are allowed to use any email address they want and it doesn't even have to have the same spelling as their name. The place that I come from seems to have more freedom than where you are from. Keven "Shane" wrote in message ... Hi Mart. Boy this one has put a smile on my face! Really, all that are left are the loonies! Shane Mart wrote: I'm not sure that you understand the purpose and function of the Ramdrive used by the WinMe Startup disk, nor do I understand quite why you think it an irritation. ... I have never used it and I never will. Oh yes you have and do! - every time you run and use the Startup disk!! As the 1.4 Mb floppy Startup disk has only some 200kb or so of unused space spare and it does not use (access) space on your hard drive - it may be faulty, unformatted or not even installed! - it reserves some 4 Mb of your RAM (32 Mb minimum requirement for WinMe!) as 'work-space' in which to actually load and run any/all of the troubleshooting utilities supplied on the Startup disk. Not too sure what you might be doing with the other available 28 Mb of RAM whilst needing the Startup disk, so can't see why you are irritated. Although slightly out of context, see also the 2nd paragraph under 'More Information' in :- "Unable to Load Ramdrive.sys in Windows Millennium Edition" http://support.microsoft.com/kb/278620/en-us I tried editing out all references to ramdrive from the autoexec.bat file but then it wouldnt boot. Hardly surprising then! Mart "Kevin J. Nielsen" wrote in message ... I would love to make a Millennium startup disk without the Ramdrive. This is so irritating, I have never used it and I never will. I tried editing out all references to ramdrive from the autoexec.bat file but then it wouldnt boot. Does anyone know how to get rid of Ramdrive from the startup disk while keeping the boot disk functional? Thank You Keven Nielsen |
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How can I get rid of 'Ramdrive' on startup disk?
"Mike M" wrote in
: Oh yes you have and do! - every time you run and use the Startup disk!! Mart, That's not strictly true if the poster chooses option 4 from the menu. No RAMdrive and no tools. And edit the [Menu] section of config.sys to make option 4 the default option that is selected if no button is pressed. menudefault=QUICK,10 for a 10 second time out. |
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How can I get rid of 'Ramdrive' on startup disk?
"Kevin J. Nielsen" wrote in
: You guys are strange, you make such a big deal about meaningless stuff. Who cares if my email is different from my name, who cares if I have my preferences? Obviously I know I can boot without the ramdrive but I have to give up my CD at the same time. But thanks for your heckles, I figured out how to do it. snip Perhaps instead of asking "How can I get rid of 'Ramdrive' on startup disk?", you should have asked .... "How do I make a boot disk WITH CD SUPPORT without using a ramdrive". Very simple. Plonk |
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How can I get rid of 'Ramdrive' on startup disk?
Whoops, I cancelled that message; I guess not fast enough. Sorry.
The reason I didnt ask how to create a boot disk with CD support is that I like the menu in the WinMe boot disk. I would like to at least have 1) boot with CD support, and 2) minimal boot. I know how to make a boot disk with CD support but I dont know how to make a menu. Another thing that would be even better and I wouldnt have to throw away a potentially useful tool is if I could add a menu item to the Windows Millennium boot disk: 5) boot with CD and no ramdrive. Anyway, I am sorry if I offended anyone; I will try to think more carefully next time before I make a post. Thank you Plonk for your help. Keven "Doc" ] wrote in message . .. "Kevin J. Nielsen" wrote in : You guys are strange, you make such a big deal about meaningless stuff. Who cares if my email is different from my name, who cares if I have my preferences? Obviously I know I can boot without the ramdrive but I have to give up my CD at the same time. But thanks for your heckles, I figured out how to do it. snip Perhaps instead of asking "How can I get rid of 'Ramdrive' on startup disk?", you should have asked .... "How do I make a boot disk WITH CD SUPPORT without using a ramdrive". Very simple. Plonk |
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How can I get rid of 'Ramdrive' on startup disk?
"Make one of those Keen DOS Startup Menus"
http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article02-054 -- Jack E. Martinelli Former MS MVP 2002-06 for Shell/User / DTS Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm ------ "Kevin J. Nielsen" wrote in message ... Whoops, I cancelled that message; I guess not fast enough. Sorry. The reason I didnt ask how to create a boot disk with CD support is that I like the menu in the WinMe boot disk. I would like to at least have 1) boot with CD support, and 2) minimal boot. I know how to make a boot disk with CD support but I dont know how to make a menu. Another thing that would be even better and I wouldnt have to throw away a potentially useful tool is if I could add a menu item to the Windows Millennium boot disk: 5) boot with CD and no ramdrive. Anyway, I am sorry if I offended anyone; I will try to think more carefully next time before I make a post. Thank you Plonk for your help. Keven SNIP |
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How can I get rid of 'Ramdrive' on startup disk?
Hi Jack!
Apologies if incomprehensible. My DOS Hack mode config.sys for Win ME (way below). I also have one for XP and 98SE. I used to have a single set that determined which OS was running, but can't be bothered anymore and just have one for each OS these days (you know, multiboot scenario, sharing %TEMP% and poss. pagefile.sys). In the autoexec.bat if the CDROM/RAMDrive option is selected, my batch for determining which drive is which, runs. I used to have a %CONFIG% for RAMDrive alone, one for CDROM alone and one where both get installed - in short one for every possible contingency, but have quit playing. Similarly I wrote a batch for determining where %TEMP% was, ie which drive, which OS; it still gets called but is largely REMed out, and a batch for locating the swap file (then overwriting it with an ECHO.filler%SWAP% -type command) but went back to default. A Safe Mode configuration is necessary of course because the hack disables the F5/F8 means of booting to it. I have long since built self-extractors to automatically install the DOS hack-plus-config files - though only for UK copies of ME (I even did an inno setup version a year ago but don't know if I still have that). The .exe installs a menu group with one-click return-to-default (since bootup takes longer with Real Mode installed), basically toggling Real Mode with a boot in between. And there's an option to simply restore all original files. Chris Quirke expressed concern about the computer crashing while IO.SYS was being overwrit, but nothing remotely like that has ever happened to me; I've never had a single issue with the Real Mode DOS hack, but don't see a problem in Chris's scenario. If Windows won't boot because it crashed while IO.SYS was being overwrit, boot with the EBD and run SYS C: and the original files can be restored at the same time if desired by typing BOOTBACK and hitting Enter. The boot scans/backups option was expanded but as I use it today is pretty minimal. As a hangover from a previous version it still backs up every .ini and .sys, for example, in %windir%, %windir%\System or %windir%\System32, but it's really meant for backing up the DOS side of the machine - presuming that in DOS one is likely to edit .bats and the like - so all ascii files in C: and %windir%\command plus boot files. Makebaks.bat zips these using PKZip for DOS or the Winzip Command Line add-on (in Windows and where installed) and stores up to seven copies on a seperate drive. In the Command dir it saves a copy of the current backup and of the previous one, uncompressed, so you edit a major .bat then realise you made a big mistake, there are plenty of copies to revert to. Now, there's another thing. Chris is leary about DOSShell truncating LFNs, yet I don't see that happening. Type DS and DOSShell starts (along with Smartdrv if not already running, likewise Mouse. Though not Mouse if USB, of course). I do not see it truncating LFNs. If you make a new partition then boot with an EBD and SYS it, you can then run this self-extractor on it and thereafter use it as an MS-DOS 8.00 system without ever installing Windows. For anyone interested, the majority if not all Upgrade copies of a 9x OS not meant to be installed on a clean partition, can be if you create a folder on it called Windows and place in that a file called WIN.COM. A text file will do. All it looks for is the existence of a file of that name. Similarly to make such a drive bootable just copy the relevent files over then run SYS C: (or SYS A: C: prior to Win ME). Without a C:\Command.com, C:\IO.SYS etc, SYS C: won't run. With them it will and you have basically a bootable empty hard drive. When you use the start menu shortcuts (or Start/Run - for instance *MFD* installs Real Mode) if Real Mode is already installed and you run MFD, it copies the boot files over the master copies, iow you can edit the copies in the root and replace the masters too, rather than have the new versions overwritten by the old ones the next time you toggle modes. The boot scan is what an AV (usually) does automatically in 95/98 but won't even install in ME even if it has been hacked. The same files are scanned along with memory and mft etc, only (apart from also running the AVG version if I have it installed, but whose command line version I don't consider good enough to bother with if it's not) it runs Kaspersky, Trend, McAfee, Norton and F-Prot scanners, one after another. Though obviously they have to be updated. I used to have a CD that installed first DR-DOS 7.03, then MS-DOS 6.22, then WFWG 3.11 and a load of utilities and configuration. You just needed a DR-DOS EBD to boot with initially. But I ditched it as part of the need to ditch non-LFN aware OSes. I kind of wish I still had that, but that is exactly why I had to throw it! snip DEVICEHIGH=C:\WINDOWS\IFSHLP.SYS DOS=HIGH,UMB [MENU] MENUITEM=WME,Windows MENUITEM=SAFE,Safe Mode MENUITEM=CMD,Command Prompt MENUITEM=MIN,Command Prompt, Minimal Boot MENUITEM=CDR,Command Prompt, Boot Scans, Backups, CDROM support and RAMDrive MENUDEFAULT=WME,2 MENUCOLOR=15,1 [WME] [SAFE] [CMD] [MIN] [CDR] DEVICEHIGH=C:\WINDOWS\SMARTDRV.EXE DEVICEHIGH=C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\EBD\OAKCDROM.SYS /D:MSCD001 DEVICEHIGH=C:\WINDOWS\RAMDRIVE.SYS /E 20480 [COMMON] BUFFERS=10 FILES=40 BREAK=ON COUNTRY=044,,C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\COUNTRY.SYS DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\EBD\DISPLAY.SYS CON=(EGA,,1) SHELL=C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.COM /E:2048 /F /P stacks=9,256 /snip Shane Jack E Martinelli wrote: "Make one of those Keen DOS Startup Menus" http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article02-054 "Kevin J. Nielsen" wrote in message ... Whoops, I cancelled that message; I guess not fast enough. Sorry. The reason I didnt ask how to create a boot disk with CD support is that I like the menu in the WinMe boot disk. I would like to at least have 1) boot with CD support, and 2) minimal boot. I know how to make a boot disk with CD support but I dont know how to make a menu. Another thing that would be even better and I wouldnt have to throw away a potentially useful tool is if I could add a menu item to the Windows Millennium boot disk: 5) boot with CD and no ramdrive. Anyway, I am sorry if I offended anyone; I will try to think more carefully next time before I make a post. Thank you Plonk for your help. Keven SNIP |
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How can I get rid of 'Ramdrive' on startup disk?
You are dealing with *Internenet Calculus* here, Shane.
Is there a way to make this plausible to an *average *J.D*? Surely sounds mighty interesting to me. Harry. "Shane" wrote in message ... Hi Jack! Apologies if incomprehensible. My DOS Hack mode config.sys for Win ME (way below). I also have one for XP and 98SE. I used to have a single set that determined which OS was running, but can't be bothered anymore and just have one for each OS these days (you know, multiboot scenario, sharing %TEMP% and poss. pagefile.sys). In the autoexec.bat if the CDROM/RAMDrive option is selected, my batch for determining which drive is which, runs. I used to have a %CONFIG% for RAMDrive alone, one for CDROM alone and one where both get installed - in short one for every possible contingency, but have quit playing. Similarly I wrote a batch for determining where %TEMP% was, ie which drive, which OS; it still gets called but is largely REMed out, and a batch for locating the swap file (then overwriting it with an ECHO.filler%SWAP% -type command) but went back to default. A Safe Mode configuration is necessary of course because the hack disables the F5/F8 means of booting to it. I have long since built self-extractors to automatically install the DOS hack-plus-config files - though only for UK copies of ME (I even did an inno setup version a year ago but don't know if I still have that). The .exe installs a menu group with one-click return-to-default (since bootup takes longer with Real Mode installed), basically toggling Real Mode with a boot in between. And there's an option to simply restore all original files. Chris Quirke expressed concern about the computer crashing while IO.SYS was being overwrit, but nothing remotely like that has ever happened to me; I've never had a single issue with the Real Mode DOS hack, but don't see a problem in Chris's scenario. If Windows won't boot because it crashed while IO.SYS was being overwrit, boot with the EBD and run SYS C: and the original files can be restored at the same time if desired by typing BOOTBACK and hitting Enter. The boot scans/backups option was expanded but as I use it today is pretty minimal. As a hangover from a previous version it still backs up every ..ini and .sys, for example, in %windir%, %windir%\System or %windir%\System32, but it's really meant for backing up the DOS side of the machine - presuming that in DOS one is likely to edit .bats and the like - so all ascii files in C: and %windir%\command plus boot files. Makebaks.bat zips these using PKZip for DOS or the Winzip Command Line add-on (in Windows and where installed) and stores up to seven copies on a seperate drive. In the Command dir it saves a copy of the current backup and of the previous one, uncompressed, so you edit a major .bat then realise you made a big mistake, there are plenty of copies to revert to. Now, there's another thing. Chris is leary about DOSShell truncating LFNs, yet I don't see that happening. Type DS and DOSShell starts (along with Smartdrv if not already running, likewise Mouse. Though not Mouse if USB, of course). I do not see it truncating LFNs. If you make a new partition then boot with an EBD and SYS it, you can then run this self-extractor on it and thereafter use it as an MS-DOS 8.00 system without ever installing Windows. For anyone interested, the majority if not all Upgrade copies of a 9x OS not meant to be installed on a clean partition, can be if you create a folder on it called Windows and place in that a file called WIN.COM. A text file will do. All it looks for is the existence of a file of that name. Similarly to make such a drive bootable just copy the relevent files over then run SYS C: (or SYS A: C: prior to Win ME). Without a C:\Command.com, C:\IO.SYS etc, SYS C: won't run. With them it will and you have basically a bootable empty hard drive. When you use the start menu shortcuts (or Start/Run - for instance *MFD* installs Real Mode) if Real Mode is already installed and you run MFD, it copies the boot files over the master copies, iow you can edit the copies in the root and replace the masters too, rather than have the new versions overwritten by the old ones the next time you toggle modes. The boot scan is what an AV (usually) does automatically in 95/98 but won't even install in ME even if it has been hacked. The same files are scanned along with memory and mft etc, only (apart from also running the AVG version if I have it installed, but whose command line version I don't consider good enough to bother with if it's not) it runs Kaspersky, Trend, McAfee, Norton and F-Prot scanners, one after another. Though obviously they have to be updated. I used to have a CD that installed first DR-DOS 7.03, then MS-DOS 6.22, then WFWG 3.11 and a load of utilities and configuration. You just needed a DR-DOS EBD to boot with initially. But I ditched it as part of the need to ditch non-LFN aware OSes. I kind of wish I still had that, but that is exactly why I had to throw it! snip DEVICEHIGH=C:\WINDOWS\IFSHLP.SYS DOS=HIGH,UMB [MENU] MENUITEM=WME,Windows MENUITEM=SAFE,Safe Mode MENUITEM=CMD,Command Prompt MENUITEM=MIN,Command Prompt, Minimal Boot MENUITEM=CDR,Command Prompt, Boot Scans, Backups, CDROM support and RAMDrive MENUDEFAULT=WME,2 MENUCOLOR=15,1 [WME] [SAFE] [CMD] [MIN] [CDR] DEVICEHIGH=C:\WINDOWS\SMARTDRV.EXE DEVICEHIGH=C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\EBD\OAKCDROM.SYS /D:MSCD001 DEVICEHIGH=C:\WINDOWS\RAMDRIVE.SYS /E 20480 [COMMON] BUFFERS=10 FILES=40 BREAK=ON COUNTRY=044,,C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\COUNTRY.SYS DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\EBD\DISPLAY.SYS CON=(EGA,,1) SHELL=C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.COM /E:2048 /F /P stacks=9,256 /snip Shane Jack E Martinelli wrote: "Make one of those Keen DOS Startup Menus" http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article02-054 "Kevin J. Nielsen" wrote in message ... Whoops, I cancelled that message; I guess not fast enough. Sorry. The reason I didnt ask how to create a boot disk with CD support is that I like the menu in the WinMe boot disk. I would like to at least have 1) boot with CD support, and 2) minimal boot. I know how to make a boot disk with CD support but I dont know how to make a menu. Another thing that would be even better and I wouldnt have to throw away a potentially useful tool is if I could add a menu item to the Windows Millennium boot disk: 5) boot with CD and no ramdrive. Anyway, I am sorry if I offended anyone; I will try to think more carefully next time before I make a post. Thank you Plonk for your help. Keven SNIP |
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