problem running IE 5 on Win98 ??

On May 15, 10:47*pm, "Bill in Co"
wrote:
Robert Macy wrote:
On May 15, 9:28 pm, "Bill in Co"
wrote:
Robert Macy wrote:
weird problem with IE 5 running on Win98:

one folder has 2,221 emails, during transfer [copy] to a local folder,
error occurred, tried again, got double copies, and worse, can't now
get rid of those 'extra' copies. don't delete, don't move (get an
error message), can't even delete one at a time, nothing happens ?!

any ideas as to how to purge the contents and refill with 'proper'
emails?

can't delete folder ...has subfolders plus won't delete anyway

The basic solution, I think, lies in you're ultimately being able to
delete
that folder and it's subfolders. Maybe it's locked. I dont think I've
come across a folder yet that I can't ultimately delete one way or the
other, but it just may take some doing and tricks of the trade, that's
all.
Saying it "won't delete" ... is a bit of "insufficient data".

So - work on the folder's attributes to make sure it's not hidden, and/or
read only, or whatever. OR you can do this task in DOS, using deltree,
but
just be careful with that command.

The folder contains 2,221 emails many with large attachments and
contains four subfolders with 100 to 600 emails each.

When originally moving the contents from the IMAP server to the local
folders for saving, an error occurred somewhere in the middle and
closed the application. *Didn't need to but rebooted, and reopen and
try again, caused the same problem at some arbitrary same email. This
repeat action caused double listings of all the emails up to that
email. *I went to the server and deleted that single email. *Created a
new local folder called FOLDER02 and copied 2,220 emails with no
problem. *So task is done, I now have archive storage of everything
for when the ISP ceases.

BUT..because of FOLDER01 having duplicates and only partial total, I
have over 250MB of c*** that will not move, nor delete. *I then tried
going to the 'end' of the list in FOLDER01 and started deleting one
email at a time. which worked well until I hit a certain one and then
no more would delete.

Thus, I am again stuck with a stubborn folder.

I tried looking for where these were stored and found something called
FOLDER01.dbx

Would deleting that work? what if the application is counting on the
file being there, when it's not, hangs up and I lose all?

Where do I look for read only type information?

Regards,
Robert

I'm not familiar with IMAP so I can't help you there. *ALL of my emails are
stored locally on my hard drive in one folder.

"Folders.dbx" is the master file which contains the structure and hierarchy
of all the OE subfolders. * And normally there is only ONE folders.dbx!

Normally, if you delete "folders.dbx", and then reopen OE, it will be
rebuilt from the other dbx files, in the corresponding OE directory. * But
in your case I'm not sure whether or not to recommend it, as it's getting me
a bit confused. *:-)

Ultimately you only want ONE folders.dbx and one OE directory for the email
and newsgroups, of course, and I'm not sure how to straighten your situation
out (without taking some chances). * (Backups of the OE related stuff would
be a good idea at this point)

To check any folder's attributes, you can right click on them in windows
explorer, and then select Properties, and see it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Thanks to everyone for their excellent suggestions and comments.

I think I found the problem...OE5 cannot/didnot delete a large folder,
because it stores it in the 'deleted folder' and there was too
muchdata!

Solution, well a bit of a solution, was to empty delete folder, close
application, reboot, ...then empty a chunk of the offending folder,
empty the delete folder, and then close app and reboot. Only took six
cycles of that to completely empty FOLDER01. One side note, even
thought these were totally local folders and local operations, OE5
would NOT let me touch anything unless I was online and logged into
the ISP that will soon be disappearing!

The implications of that are horrific. Even though I have stored all
the emails in local folders, when I can no longer log onto the ISP; I
can't do anything with the contents of those local folders! Another
fine example of logic from MS.

I'm hoping, I can slowly delete all the files and folders of the ISP
and then delete the IMAP links and still be able to open the emails as
local folders and manipulate around the local folders, but MS OE5 may
not allow that. Anybody know how to broach this next step of
isolating my local folders and emails from requiring the log in to a
soon to extinct ISP?

Robert Macy wrote:

Solution, well a bit of a solution, was to empty delete folder, close
application, reboot, ...then empty a chunk of the offending folder,
empty the delete folder, and then close app and reboot. Only took six
cycles of that to completely empty FOLDER01. One side note, even
thought these were totally local folders and local operations, OE5
would NOT let me touch anything unless I was online and logged into
the ISP that will soon be disappearing!

The implications of that are horrific. Even though I have stored all
the emails in local folders, when I can no longer log onto the ISP; I
can't do anything with the contents of those local folders! Another
fine example of logic from MS.

Nothing is either horrific or illogical. If they are on your machine they
are completely independent of both ISP and being online; neither is
necessary. You can do anything you want with the mail messages...save them
as files outside of OE's dbx files, delete them, read them, reply to
them...anything.

One thing you might want to do is compact them via OE; that or save them in
a non-dbx folder and zip the folder; once saved in non-dbx folder - zipped
or not - you can delete the originals that are still in OE's dbx. If not
zipped, clicking on one will open it with OE; ditto if zipped though you
might have to extract it first.

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dadiOH
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Robert Macy wrote in

oups.com:

Anybody
know how to broach this next step of isolating my local
folders and emails from requiring the log in to a soon to
extinct ISP?

No, but this might be a good time to mention what I thought
after reading you direct reply to me, as well as *many* other
times when reading other people's IE and/or webmail server
horror stories.

One should NOT keep ANY of their mail on ANY machine except
their own and their own backups - preferably two if the stuff is
really important.

I do not have ANYTHING on the 3 different servers of any of my 4
email accounts, so when anything happens (and it always CAN, I
remember a REAL horror story from a few years ago), I am safe. I
DL, process, archive, backup and delete everything on the mail
servers. And my email isn't even that important. It's the
principle: Trust no one.

On May 16, 6:10*pm, thanatoid wrote:
Robert Macy wrote
oups.com:

Anybody
know how to broach this next step of isolating my local
folders and emails from requiring the log in to a soon to
extinct ISP?

No, but this might be a good time to mention what I thought
after reading you direct reply to me, as well as *many* other
times when reading other people's IE and/or webmail server
horror stories.

One should NOT keep ANY of their mail on ANY machine except
their own and their own backups - preferably two if the stuff is
really important.

I do not have ANYTHING on the 3 different servers of any of my 4
email accounts, so when anything happens (and it always CAN, I
remember a REAL horror story from a few years ago), I am safe. I
DL, process, archive, backup and delete everything on the mail
servers. And my email isn't even that important. It's the
principle: Trust no one.

Yes, great idea, but...

I need to have access from 5 different machines to the same emails.
So if I download to mine, there are four machines that can no longer
see them. Plus, being on dial up, I hate to take the time to download
those peasky, and numerous, 20-100MB attachments I get.

My last horror story was to save my emails on my own machine and then
OE changed a version and incompatibility insued. Adding insult to
injury was that most of these emails were 500B to 3kB at most, and MS
took a huge quantity of memory to store simple little emails, and
always, always took miniutes to retrieve find etc. I think the best
way is to simply throw away emails and be done with it.

On May 16, 8:20*am, "dadiOH" wrote:
Robert Macy wrote:
Solution, well a bit of a solution, was to empty delete folder, close
application, reboot, ...then empty a chunk of the offending folder,
empty the delete folder, and then close app and reboot. *Only took six
cycles of that to completely empty FOLDER01. *One side note, even
thought these were totally local folders and local operations, OE5
would NOT let me touch anything unless I was online and logged into
the ISP that will soon be disappearing!

The implications of that are horrific. *Even though I have stored all
the emails in local folders, when I can no longer log onto the ISP; I
can't do anything with the contents of those local folders! *Another
fine example of logic from MS.

Nothing is either horrific or illogical. *If they are on your machine they
are completely independent of both ISP and being online; neither is
necessary. *You can do anything you want with the mail messages...save them
as files outside of OE's dbx files, delete them, read them, reply to
them...anything.

One thing you might want to do is compact them via OE; that or save them in
a non-dbx folder and zip the folder; once saved in non-dbx folder - zipped
or not - you can delete the originals that are still in OE's dbx. *If not
zipped, clicking on one will open it with OE; ditto if zipped though you
might have to extract it first.

--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it athttp://mysite.verizon.net/xico

Interesting. However, I could NOT move, nor delete any thing in the
local folders, unless I was online with the ISP. OE5 wouldn't let me
touch anything.

If not saved as .dbx just for OE5; what format aill the emails be
saved in?

Robert Macy wrote in news:63a8ddcf-0bde-4179-9d0a-
:

I need to have access from 5 different machines to the same emails.
So if I download to mine, there are four machines that can no longer
see them. Plus, being on dial up, I hate to take the time to download
those peasky, and numerous, 20-100MB attachments I get.

My last horror story was to save my emails on my own machine and then
OE changed a version and incompatibility insued. Adding insult to
injury was that most of these emails were 500B to 3kB at most, and MS
took a huge quantity of memory to store simple little emails, and
always, always took miniutes to retrieve find etc. I think the best
way is to simply throw away emails and be done with it.


nPOP would let you save just the headers if you want, also, to check either
those, or the entire message when checking for mail. Maybe the bigger systems
will also do this, but if an email client is giving you that much hassle, it
sounds to me you're about ready to try somethign as simple and immediate to
use as a telephone. nPOP os one of the few that pass muster. Very rarely
(emphasis: VERY) I sometimes log in to the ISP's web mail to make sure I
haven't missed something or failed to see some weird format as I ought to see
it, but this is rare. If the incoming mail is all HTML (annoying to me) I
show headers, coselect all, paste the lot in a text edit save as fcvgbnhm.htm
and load it in a browser. And it's STILL easier than anything else I have
tried.

Lostgallifreyan wrote in
:

snip

nPOP would let you save just the headers if you want,

A better way of phrasing it is to say nPop (and some other
programs) have a setting for DL'g just a specific amount of
lines, like 50 or 100, which will usually give you all the
headers and enough of an idea of the content to know if you want
the rest or not, in which case you just delete it off the
server. It is also excellent protection (although not
infallible, nothing is) against spam and malware.

also,
to check either those, or the entire message when checking
for mail. Maybe the bigger systems will also do this, but
if an email client is giving you that much hassle, it
sounds to me you're about ready to try somethign as simple
and immediate to use as a telephone. nPOP os one of the few
that pass muster. Very rarely (emphasis: VERY) I sometimes
log in to the ISP's web mail to make sure I haven't missed
something or failed to see some weird format as I ought to
see it, but this is rare. If the incoming mail is all HTML
(annoying to me) I show headers, coselect all, paste the
lot in a text edit save as fcvgbnhm.htm and load it in a
browser. And it's STILL easier than anything else I have
tried.

I am ashamed to admit this, but I just /recently/ discovered
that "delete attach" in the nPop mailview/edit menu deletes all
the html garbage, and selected attachments, if any. I used to do
it manually in Edxor. Sigh.

Robert Macy wrote in

ups.com:

On May 16, 6:10*pm, thanatoid
wrote:

snip

I do not have ANYTHING on the 3 different servers of any
of my 4 email accounts, so when anything happens (and it
always CAN, I remember a REAL horror story from a few
years ago), I am safe. I DL, process, archive, backup and
delete everything on the mail servers. And my email isn't
even that important. It's the principle: Trust no one.

Yes, great idea, but...

I need to have access from 5 different machines to the same
emails. So if I download to mine, there are four machines
that can no longer see them.

Unless you have a badly set up mail client or it is simply a
piece of garbage, nothing gets deleted until YOU delete it
(leaving the reliability of the email servers and personnel
aside).

I obviously don't know your exact setup - it may be just you and
5 machines in 5 locations, or it could be a 5-person business. I
also know the minute someone mentions more than one person
involved, it (usually) means blind slavery to the very latest
version ("Well, it HAS to be the best!!!") of MS Office and
IE/OE because at least one of the people involved, usually the
one who makes the decisions, are clueless.

Still, just for the sake of the discussion, you could establish
basic rules about DL'g email and a time window before it gets
deleted. If the machines are not networked, whatever their
physical locations are, you could even set one up as a private
email server - even with dial-up access only - or set up a
Usenet group or free www site (encrypted in both cases) to keep
the said emails on and regularly back everything up to one of
the 5 computers.

Plus, being on dial up, I
hate to take the time to download those peasky,

pesky

and numerous, 20-100MB attachments I get.

So what do you do, just ignore them? You HAVE to download them
if you want to see/read/whatever with them, and if you were
connected as suggested (in an admittedly somewhat wild flight of
fancy) in the previous paragraph, you would only have to do it
once.

And if you own 5 machines, whether by yourself, or being a
member of a small business, why can't you afford BB? In some
cases there is virtually no difference between a land line
rental with dial-up and 1-3 MB/sec ADSL (which also does not
force you to either get a 2nd land line OR pay for cellphone
calls all the time). I got BB when it got cheaper than 2 phone
lines and dial-up - I really did not need it, but while I have
been called a reverse hardware snob and a luddite (and I
probably am, and consider it an honorable thing, after reading
the etymology of the /word/ and looking at the state of the
/world/), even I like to get the photos of a friend's vacation
in 10 seconds instead of 3 minutes.

(Apparently, NO ONE I know is capable of doing basic image
resizing, since people keep on sending me 3,500 x 5,000 pixel
fuzzy crap no matter how much I complain. And NO ONE can
understand that written stuff is best sent as a 15KB TXT
attachment rather than half a megabyte Word document, let alone
to someone who does NOT have Word.)

My last horror story was to save my emails on my own
machine and then OE changed a version and incompatibility
insued.

That's why MS software is to be avoided (I have NO MS programs
on my 3 old computers except the OS's) and that's why all email
should have remained TXT and attachments.

Adding insult to injury was that most of these
emails were 500B to 3kB at most, and MS took a huge
quantity of memory to store simple little emails

AFAIK, just like on your HDs, the LEAST amount of space a single
file will use, even if it is only 15 bytes, is 4,096 bytes, and
on large server HDs a LOT more. (I /think/ - I don't know
anything about Unix or Linux servers, or their file systems.)

and always, always took miniutes to retrieve find etc. I
think the best way is to simply throw away emails and be done
with it.

Well, unfortunately, I tend to be a hoarder with everything,
even qood quality plastic food containers, so every 2 months I
copy my nPop in and save boxes and rar them. Every 12 months I
rar the 6 rars into one bigger rar. I am pretty sure that I have
all the email I ever wrote and received on various CDRs
somewhere. You never know.

thanatoid wrote in
:

A better way of phrasing it is to say nPop (and some other
programs) have a setting for DL'g just a specific amount of
lines, like 50 or 100, which will usually give you all the
headers and enough of an idea of the content to know if you want
the rest or not, in which case you just delete it off the
server. It is also excellent protection (although not
infallible, nothing is) against spam and malware.


That's true. I never used that method but it will do it. There is a checkbox
to allow just the header too, though.

thanatoid wrote in
:

I am ashamed to admit this, but I just /recently/ discovered
that "delete attach" in the nPop mailview/edit menu deletes all
the html garbage, and selected attachments, if any. I used to do
it manually in Edxor. Sigh.



Better late than... I think I discovered it by accident, having deleted
something I couldn't get back because it wasn't on the server. If an
attachment something small and important like the BIOS that Rudolph Loew
patched for the Via ITX mainboards I use, I keep it when I archive mails so I
have a bit of extra security against loss.