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Old August 20th 15, 07:26 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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Default MS Dos dont see 3rd Partition

You might get better answers from the W98 'group - I've crossposted.

(Or an MS-DOS one, but I don't know one.)

In message ,
writes:
I'm trying to add more driwe space on my Win98 computer. I had two 120G
drives. I'm keeping the first (boot) drive, but replacing the second
(storage) drive with a 300G drive. Each drive has had 3 partitions (by
choice).

I removed the second drive, replaced it with the new 300G drive, which
is a Seagate. I used the Seagate software to partition and format it. I
know that Win98 cant handle a partition over 137G (and I dont think the
(15 year old) computer can either). I chose to just make two 125G
partitions, which left the 3rd one around 50G.

All went well. I got G: 125 H: 125 I: 50
In Win98, I can see all 3 of these new partitions, and copy stuff to
them, etc....

However, I sometimes boot directly to DOS.
From a direct DOS boot, I can not find drive I:
It says "Invalid Drive" when I try to go to drive I:
(G: and H: are fine).

What the f__k is going on with this?

Note:
That seagate utility added some "dynamic" (file) which I see as soon as
the computer is turned on, from Dos or A Windows boot). That is supposed
to allow for using large drives like this.


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Old August 20th 15, 02:35 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,alt.msdos.batch,atl.msdos.batch.nt
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Default MS Dos dont see 3rd Partition

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Thu, 20 Aug 2015 07:26:07
+0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

You might get better answers from the W98 'group - I've crossposted.

(Or an MS-DOS one, but I don't know one.)


alt.msdos seems too quiet. alt.msdos.batch is busier. Included.
atl.msdos.batch.nt is even better, included.
comp.os.msdos.4dos is good included. That makes 6, which I think
exceeds (or equals) limits somewhere. Must one be removed?

Which one?

In message ,
writes:
I'm trying to add more driwe space on my Win98 computer. I had two 120G
drives. I'm keeping the first (boot) drive, but replacing the second
(storage) drive with a 300G drive. Each drive has had 3 partitions (by
choice).

I removed the second drive, replaced it with the new 300G drive, which
is a Seagate. I used the Seagate software to partition and format it. I
know that Win98 cant handle a partition over 137G (and I dont think the
(15 year old) computer can either). I chose to just make two 125G
partitions, which left the 3rd one around 50G.

All went well. I got G: 125 H: 125 I: 50
In Win98, I can see all 3 of these new partitions, and copy stuff to
them, etc....

However, I sometimes boot directly to DOS.
From a direct DOS boot, I can not find drive I:
It says "Invalid Drive" when I try to go to drive I:
(G: and H: are fine).

What the f__k is going on with this?

Note:
That seagate utility added some "dynamic" (file) which I see as soon as
the computer is turned on, from Dos or A Windows boot). That is supposed
to allow for using large drives like this.


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Old August 20th 15, 05:59 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default MS Dos dont see 3rd Partition

On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 12:26:42 AM UTC-6, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
You might get better answers from the W98 'group - I've crossposted.

(Or an MS-DOS one, but I don't know one.)

In message ,
writes:
I'm trying to add more driwe space on my Win98 computer. I had two 120G
drives. I'm keeping the first (boot) drive, but replacing the second
(storage) drive with a 300G drive. Each drive has had 3 partitions (by
choice).

I removed the second drive, replaced it with the new 300G drive, which
is a Seagate. I used the Seagate software to partition and format it. I
know that Win98 cant handle a partition over 137G (and I dont think the
(15 year old) computer can either). I chose to just make two 125G
partitions, which left the 3rd one around 50G.

All went well. I got G: 125 H: 125 I: 50
In Win98, I can see all 3 of these new partitions, and copy stuff to
them, etc....

However, I sometimes boot directly to DOS.
From a direct DOS boot, I can not find drive I:
It says "Invalid Drive" when I try to go to drive I:
(G: and H: are fine).

What the f__k is going on with this?

Note:
That seagate utility added some "dynamic" (file) which I see as soon as
the computer is turned on, from Dos or A Windows boot). That is supposed
to allow for using large drives like this.


--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf


Assuming that your BIOS has no problem with the drive, and that your
CONFIG.SYS LASTDRIVE setting is high enough, I wonder whether the Seagate
proprietary "file" (partition?) is the issue. If this were mine, I would
repartition using Gdisk (the Fdisk equivalent from the Ghost 2003
distribution), and see if that is more compatible. Using Gdisk, I've had
no difficulty getting Win98's DOS to see as many as six 2-GB FAT16
partitions and four 121-GB FAT32 partitions on drives as large as 500 GB.

--Donald Davis
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Old August 20th 15, 11:33 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Computer Nerd Kev[_2_]
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Default MS Dos dont see 3rd Partition

In microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
You might get better answers from the W98 'group - I've crossposted.

(Or an MS-DOS one, but I don't know one.)


comp.os.msdos.misc among others, I personally think this is more Windows
relevent though.

In message ,
writes:
I'm trying to add more driwe space on my Win98 computer. I had two 120G
drives. I'm keeping the first (boot) drive, but replacing the second
(storage) drive with a 300G drive. Each drive has had 3 partitions (by
choice).

I removed the second drive, replaced it with the new 300G drive, which
is a Seagate. I used the Seagate software to partition and format it. I
know that Win98 cant handle a partition over 137G (and I dont think the
(15 year old) computer can either). I chose to just make two 125G
partitions, which left the 3rd one around 50G.

All went well. I got G: 125 H: 125 I: 50
In Win98, I can see all 3 of these new partitions, and copy stuff to
them, etc....

However, I sometimes boot directly to DOS.
From a direct DOS boot, I can not find drive I:
It says "Invalid Drive" when I try to go to drive I:
(G: and H: are fine).

What the f__k is going on with this?

Note:
That seagate utility added some "dynamic" (file) which I see as soon as
the computer is turned on, from Dos or A Windows boot). That is supposed
to allow for using large drives like this.


I could only guess about that Seagate custom stuff, so here are some
suggestions assuming disabling it doesn't fix the problem:

Have you checked that I: isn't being assigned to a letter used for a CD/DVD
drive in Windows (assuming you haven't installed a MSDOS CDROM driver)? I
think that happens on some of my machines, though it could be due to 3rd
party drive letter reassigners in my case.

You didn't happen to turn file system compression on? That leaves the file
system invisible to DOS in W98.

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Old August 21st 15, 12:11 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default MS Dos dont see 3rd Partition

On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 07:26:07 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

You might get better answers from the W98 'group - I've crossposted.

(Or an MS-DOS one, but I don't know one.)

Thanks for the crosspost, but it seems no one uses the Win98 newsgroups
anymore...

In message ,
writes:
I'm trying to add more driwe space on my Win98 computer. I had two 120G
drives. I'm keeping the first (boot) drive, but replacing the second
(storage) drive with a 300G drive. Each drive has had 3 partitions (by
choice).

I removed the second drive, replaced it with the new 300G drive, which
is a Seagate. I used the Seagate software to partition and format it. I
know that Win98 cant handle a partition over 137G (and I dont think the
(15 year old) computer can either). I chose to just make two 125G
partitions, which left the 3rd one around 50G.

All went well. I got G: 125 H: 125 I: 50
In Win98, I can see all 3 of these new partitions, and copy stuff to
them, etc....

However, I sometimes boot directly to DOS.
From a direct DOS boot, I can not find drive I:
It says "Invalid Drive" when I try to go to drive I:
(G: and H: are fine).

What the f__k is going on with this?

Note:
That seagate utility added some "dynamic" (file) which I see as soon as
the computer is turned on, from Dos or A Windows boot). That is supposed
to allow for using large drives like this.


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Old August 21st 15, 04:12 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Lee
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Default MS Dos dont see 3rd Partition

On Thursday, August 20, 2015 at 5:11:38 PM UTC-6, wrote:
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 07:26:07 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

You might get better answers from the W98 'group - I've crossposted.

(Or an MS-DOS one, but I don't know one.)

Thanks for the crosspost, but it seems no one uses the Win98 newsgroups
anymore...

In message ,
writes:
I'm trying to add more driwe space on my Win98 computer. I had two 120G
drives. I'm keeping the first (boot) drive, but replacing the second
(storage) drive with a 300G drive. Each drive has had 3 partitions (by
choice).

I removed the second drive, replaced it with the new 300G drive, which
is a Seagate. I used the Seagate software to partition and format it. I
know that Win98 cant handle a partition over 137G (and I dont think the
(15 year old) computer can either). I chose to just make two 125G
partitions, which left the 3rd one around 50G.

All went well. I got G: 125 H: 125 I: 50
In Win98, I can see all 3 of these new partitions, and copy stuff to
them, etc....

However, I sometimes boot directly to DOS.
From a direct DOS boot, I can not find drive I:
It says "Invalid Drive" when I try to go to drive I:
(G: and H: are fine).

What the f__k is going on with this?

Note:
That seagate utility added some "dynamic" (file) which I see as soon as
the computer is turned on, from Dos or A Windows boot). That is supposed
to allow for using large drives like this.


We are here, just takes a few days for everybody to show up. I didn't see a mention of 48 bit LBA aware io.sys being used specifically. It will be necessary in order to reach out across the 137 Gig barrier in DOS mode.

First apply this MS update for the last 98 io.sys.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/311561

Then download PATCHPAR here
http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/1181...-7#entry988944

Instructions for using it are he
http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/1181...-4#entry984447

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Old August 31st 15, 11:23 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default MS Dos dont see 3rd Partition

On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 01:11:18 +0000 (UTC), lid
(Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:

In microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 07:26:07 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

You might get better answers from the W98 'group - I've crossposted.

(Or an MS-DOS one, but I don't know one.)

Thanks for the crosspost, but it seems no one uses the Win98 newsgroups
anymore...


It's where I came in from. Though I often half-heartedly follow the WinXP
group as well without posting. Asking Win98 questions solely in an XP
newsgroup isn't giving any W98 expert out there much of a chance is it?

Anyway, I should have noted in my last post that compression shouldn't
mess up accessing a HDD in DOS if it is booted from Win98 (restart in DOS
mode etc.). Raw DOS on a separate disk/partition might have the problem.


Yes, I'm booted from raw dos. I always start my Win98 computer in raw
dos, so I can access my very old Dos based "Rapid File" database, which
contains all my phone contacts. That way I dont have to wait for Windows
to load to get a phone number. All I have to do is type "WIN" to start
windows, which is fine!

Anyhow, the problem is in raw dos!


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Old August 31st 15, 01:09 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default MS Dos dont see 3rd Partition

wrote:
On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 01:11:18 +0000 (UTC),
lid
(Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:

In microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 07:26:07 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

You might get better answers from the W98 'group - I've crossposted.

(Or an MS-DOS one, but I don't know one.)

Thanks for the crosspost, but it seems no one uses the Win98 newsgroups
anymore...

It's where I came in from. Though I often half-heartedly follow the WinXP
group as well without posting. Asking Win98 questions solely in an XP
newsgroup isn't giving any W98 expert out there much of a chance is it?

Anyway, I should have noted in my last post that compression shouldn't
mess up accessing a HDD in DOS if it is booted from Win98 (restart in DOS
mode etc.). Raw DOS on a separate disk/partition might have the problem.


Yes, I'm booted from raw dos. I always start my Win98 computer in raw
dos, so I can access my very old Dos based "Rapid File" database, which
contains all my phone contacts. That way I dont have to wait for Windows
to load to get a phone number. All I have to do is type "WIN" to start
windows, which is fine!

Anyhow, the problem is in raw dos!


With MSDOS, you should be looking at the two configuration
files for evidence.

http://www.vfrazee.com/ms-dos/6.22/help/lastdrive.htm

Paul

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Old September 1st 15, 12:23 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Lee
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Default MS Dos dont see 3rd Partition

On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 4:23:33 AM UTC-6, wrote:


Yes, I'm booted from raw dos. I always start my Win98 computer in raw
dos, so I can access my very old Dos based "Rapid File" database, which
contains all my phone contacts. That way I dont have to wait for Windows
to load to get a phone number. All I have to do is type "WIN" to start
windows, which is fine!

Anyhow, the problem is in raw dos!


Can't help but wonder about the exact pedigree of the year 2000 computer you are using. It may have a BIOS update for it that includes LBA code rendering the use of drive overlay software not needed.

Also wondering why you are thinking 98 can't do terabyte partitions and somehow is limited to 137 Gigs? There was a third party patch for ESDI_506.PDR released that addresses full 48 bit LBA access and allows for the full capacity of FAT32 file system to be 8 terabytes per drive.

Your system of doing one partition of less than 137 Gig followed by another and another does NOT excuse the system from needing 48 bit LBA capabilities to see that far from the first sector with the partition tables to any other partition that is out 137 gig from there. Somehow I take it that you think this is a solution for the 137 Gig barrier - but it doesn't work like that, so no this is not why it's working. I can only assume from the very limited information that I have, that the drive overlay software is allowing it to work.

Also can't fathom why no reply to my first message about io.sys? Thoughts?

Dir /a /v
will show you that you do have and use io.sys on every bootable disk you have. It is known to be defective in the 48 bit LBA arena until you patch it with third party tools linked to in my previous post. Once that is done you can have access to 8 terabytes in DOS mode as well as windows.
 




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