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virtual pc 2007 and win98se
Bill Cunningham wrote:
I always like 98. I always set it to not boot in ui mode just good old dos. Then I coiuld always type if I remember "win" and it would boot windows. No more windows on dos. All windows with a "dos box" If you just need DOS, FreeDOS is free. |
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virtual pc 2007 and win98se
"Bill Cunningham" wrote in message
... "Bill Cunningham" wrote in message ... "Bill Cunningham" wrote in message ... https://winworldpc.com/product/windo...second-edition Say:Big Bill It came in two parts Windows98 SE OS CD and Windows98 SE DOS Boot Floppy http://mynews.from-tx.com/img/jpg/image_win98-SE.jpg Well I go it from here anyway. DOS is booting but not the ISO maybe it isn't bootable. Bill I downloaded the full retail version. There is the full OEM version too. But full versions I would think do not depend on win95 to be present to show as an upgrade. Hence a full version. OK. Well for some reason niether 2007 or Oracle's VB wants to recognize the full retail version of 98se. So I downloaded the OEM version and it works fine. Whew. I wonder why that is. Any opinions? Anyway if anyne else wants to do this, download the OEM version. Bill All Windows 98 OEM version Need to State Up With a DOS Booting at A:\ You Need This One Windows98_SE.img I just put it back in http://mynews.from-tx.com/temp/ Now you do know how to setup a IMG as in A:\ Drive Right |
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virtual pc 2007 and win98se
"VanguardLH"
wrote in message ... Bill Cunningham wrote: You see because of this I will not buy a windows OS. OR anything really from MS. If they want $20 maybe 25 dollars for it and that's pushing it, I might buy it. It's not worth the red tape. The OS is not that good. It's ok yeah. It comes on the computer and I'm not throwing it out but I am not paying good money when there's other OSs just as good. If not better. Windows focuses on the masses that can't do anything from a cli so they need a gui. People that barely know how to turn on a PC. Mr. Cunningham I Have One New Genuine Un use in Bag That Microsoft Made it for Dell Support I pay 50 penny for in 2002 What was the point or goal of installing Windows 98 into a VM? There must've been some reason you wanted Windows 98 instead of, say, Ubuntu or Mint as the guest OS. Windows 98 SE Become Plus XP Sp-3 For Ubuntu or Mint Do Not Run On Virtual pc 2007 On XP If had a XP You would have know that Debian -based Linux operating system Would have to be install on a Oracle VM VirtualBox Running on a XP Windows 98 is a frankenjob of MS-DOS kernel and 98 kernel. There was a CLI available (which I assume means the DOS kernel versus just a command shell). If you don't really want Windows 98 in the VM and are looking for a free DOS-type of operating system to run in the VM then you could use FreeDOS in the VM. Why He not running A Linux like you With XP in VirtualBox - Official Site "It comes [Windows 98 came] on the computer" sure sounds like it is a pre-installed OEM license which means it is locked to that computer and cannot be used in a VM. An OEM license doesn't care it if sits idle. Having a spare and unfettered license to Windows to utilize it within a VM is what stops a lot of users from using VMs running Windows: there's the expense of another unfettered Windows license needed for the VM. No, there is no Microsoft police that will come to arrest you nor will they file a lawsuit. It's you deciding whether or not to comply with the terms of the contract to use Windows. Lots of users find all sorts of excuses to do what they want because they can get away with it. If there is no perception of penalty, many people will steal. They have adaptive morality which means they don't have any unless they fear punishment. If you visit eBay, there are lots of sellers distributing NFR (not for resale) versions Windows and all those sales are illegal. eBay doesn't enforce their own rules because they want their auctioneer's commission on sales. Legally Windows (Pay) for windows Who they going to Sue Windows Windows (pay) for Linux (Free) Who they going to Sue Linux No But They can Come after The User of Linux If he do not have license by Windows Needed for the Linux VM For Windows For Microsoft Members Only Install Xp on win7, or 8 and with Oracle VM VirtualBox http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/se...ads/index.html |
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virtual pc 2007 and win98se
"VanguardLH" wrote in message ... Bill Cunningham wrote: I always like 98. I always set it to not boot in ui mode just good old dos. Then I coiuld always type if I remember "win" and it would boot windows. No more windows on dos. All windows with a "dos box" MR. Cunningham I Know They started that with Windows 3.0 If you just need DOS, FreeDOS is free. Vanguard It runs on virtual pc Too So is MS-Dos It Freeware virtual pc 2007 It Freeware All By Microsoft Did You Know That you can In Xp Jump To Win 98 To Dos In No time at all By the Way you Know That Windows 3.x's Need no Keys Drive on virtual pc it's Free to all Microsoft XP Members Plug in that DR DOS 32 bit Work up to a Windows 3.11 Yes Work Groups Now day We have Two PC Microsoft 7 Members & Up MSN-Groups |
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virtual pc 2007 and win98se
"Rocky"
wrote in message news:VsKdnZPzXZ-v_qjInZ2dnUU7-dudnZ2d @ giganews.com... "VanguardLH" wrote in message ... Bill Cunningham wrote: "VanguardLH" wrote... I doubt the OP has an .iso file containing a bootable Windows XP image on a floppy drive so I focused on the likely media type: CD/DVD/BD disc. I've got it to boot bfore. Using virtualbox. Well virtualbox is working now. It doesn't want to boot the .iso image bo\ut wants to boot the floppy. Changing VM bios boot order doesn't seem to help. Does the ISO image (burned to a CD/DVD/BD disc) boot in the host OS (i.e., the real OS)? That is, burn the ISO to a disc, put the disc in the optical drive, and reboot your computer, go into BIOS to check the boot order has the optical drive before the HDD, reboot again, and see if you can boot using the disc. If the disc won't boot in the real or host OS, it won't boot in the guest OS. If he could create a Windows 98 or 98se boot floppy somehow then he could get to a non bootable ISO that way. As a side note Virtual PC 2007 will let you listen to stereo in virtual machines but the Virtual XP that comes with Windows 7 Pro will not. You Have To Plug it In Rocky Windows 98 se Cd is only 1/2 Of that Kit Run MS-DOS 32 Floppy Setup It the First 1/2 All versions of Windows for x86-64 and Itanium architectures no longer include the NTVDM and can therefore no longer natively run MS-DOS or 16-bit Windows applications. There are alternatives in the form of Virtual machine emulators such as Microsoft's own Virtual PC, as well as VMware, DOSBox, and others. |
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Billy Ray Ferrell wrote:
VanguardLH wrote If you just need DOS, FreeDOS is free. It runs on virtual pc Too You haven't followed the thread. My recommendation of FreeDOS was to run it as a guest OS in a VM. So is MS-Dos It Freeware Wrong. MS-DOS is still owned by Microsoft. It is not free. Not selling a product does not relinquish its ownership. The newsgroups to which this thread is cross-posted are NOT pro-piracy. virtual pc 2007 That you can In Xp Jump To Win 98 To Dos In No time at all The other participants in this discussion are not the ones who are ignorant as to what is VirtualPC 2007 or how it can be used. By the Way you Know That Windows 3.x's Need no Keys Irrelevant. These are not pro-piracy newsgroups. Plug in that DR DOS 32 You apparently don't know about the history of Dr-DOS. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DR-DOS#Controversies One of the cross-posted newsgroups is alt.comp.freeware. Dr-DOS is not free. As noted in the wikipedia article, version 8.x was withdrawn and why you can only *buy* version 7.03 ($79). The pirating by Dr-DOS (which you probably don't care about considering your pro-piracy remarks) and that Dr-DOS is not free is why I suggested FreeDOS. Now day We have Two PC Microsoft 7 Members & Up MSN-Groups Yeah, sure, whatever that rambling mess was supposed to mean. NOTE: Twould be appreciated if you disabled centering in your editor, learned to punctuate, and reviewed your post BEFORE submitting it. |
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virtual pc 2007 and win98se
"VanguardLH" wrote in message ... Bill Cunningham wrote: You see because of this I will not buy a windows OS. OR anything really from MS. If they want $20 maybe 25 dollars for it and that's pushing it, I might buy it. It's not worth the red tape. The OS is not that good. It's ok yeah. It comes on the computer and I'm not throwing it out but I am not paying good money when there's other OSs just as good. If not better. Windows focuses on the masses that can't do anything from a cli so they need a gui. People that barely know how to turn on a PC. What was the point or goal of installing Windows 98 into a VM? There must've been some reason you wanted Windows 98 instead of, say, Ubuntu or Mint as the guest OS. Windows 98 is a frankenjob of MS-DOS kernel and 98 kernel. There was a CLI available (which I assume means the DOS kernel versus just a command shell). If you don't really want Windows 98 in the VM and are looking for a free DOS-type of operating system to run in the VM then you could use FreeDOS in the VM. "It comes [Windows 98 came] on the computer" sure sounds like it is a pre-installed OEM license which means it is locked to that computer and cannot be used in a VM. An OEM license doesn't care it if sits idle. Having a spare and unfettered license to Windows to utilize it within a VM is what stops a lot of users from using VMs running Windows: there's the expense of another unfettered Windows license needed for the VM. No, there is no Microsoft police that will come to arrest you nor will they file a lawsuit. It's you deciding whether or not to comply with the terms of the contract to use Windows. Lots of users find all sorts of excuses to do what they want because they can get away with it. If there is no perception of penalty, many people will steal. They have adaptive morality which means they don't have any unless they fear punishment. If you visit eBay, there are lots of sellers distributing NFR (not for resale) versions Windows and all those sales are illegal. eBay doesn't enforce their own rules because they want their auctioneer's commission on sales. Read the EULA carefully. Some users read more than what is specified there and other users don't read it at all. For example, the EULA for Windows XP only restricts that you cannot run a license for Windows XP on multiple computers at the same time; i.e., only one installation instance can be active at a time. You can actually install it on multiple computers or multiple drives you swap into the same computer but only one of those instances can be active at a time. We checked with Microsoft and found putting it on multiple HDDs (so we had different setups under which to test) was valid per the EULA and was legit with them. The HDD that was currently inserted in the computer was running the only active instance of the license. Microsoft has adapted their EULA over time but back then the terms were more lax. Often users read more than what was actually stipulated in the EULA. Of course, you couldn't have both the host OS and the guest OS running the same license of Windows because obviously there were 2 active instances of that OS running. I haven't bothered to go find a Windows 98 EULA to see its terms; however, since it looks like you only have an OEM license of Windows 98 that was already pre-installed on the real computer then the OEM license probably got "used up" and you cannot use it within a VM. An online search will find someone who saved a copy of the Windows 98 EULA to put online. http://ftp.sustech.edu/Books/linux-book/eula98.html (don't which edition you have so I looked for a plain vanilla edition) is one. Notice it says you can use the license on a single computer. That does not restrict you from using the license on multiple computer but only one of them can be running Windows 98 at a time. That means you cannot have that license as both the host and guest OS. I didn't see any conditions that differ use of the license between full and OEM versions. Again, the Windows 98 EULA would be the final authority as to how and where you deploy its [OEM] license. So it could be you could reuse the OEM license of Windows 98 that was pre-installed on your old computer *if* the EULA doesn't have restrictions against such multiple deployment. Go by what the EULA says, only what it says, and don't read more in it that it actually says. You agreed to that contract, not to someone's interpreted version of it. Licenses for later versions of Windows do not retroactively apply to prior versions of Windows. You are liable only to the terms of an existing contract, not all future contracts or even any modifications to contracts (to which you don't agree as a party to the contract). Did you ever try to boot using the "ISO disc" using the host OS (the real OS) to see if that disc was really bootable? In addition, you can use IsoBuster (it has a crippled free version) to look at the contents of an .iso file (that you would eventually burn to a disc to have a bootable disc). I do not know how long a copyright lasts until it needs to be renewed and if things ever all evetually go public domain. It's a matter of just looking up the law I guess. On MS's free ftp server you can download I think dos 6.22 for nothig. Bill |
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Bill Cunningham wrote:
I do not know how long a copyright lasts until it needs to be renewed and if things ever all evetually go public domain. It's a matter of just looking up the law I guess. On MS's free ftp server you can download I think dos 6.22 for nothig. ftp.microsoft.com Has a miscellany of files but a lot has disappeared over the years. ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/peropsys/msdos/public/msdos622/ Nothing there looks like an installer for MS-DOS 6.22. There is a stepup\english\stepup.exe file at 2.5 MB. Don't know what it is but I doubt Microsoft mispelled "setup" twice. No longer developing a product, discontinuing a product, and even making it free does not nullify the license for that product. I have not seen evidence that *Microsoft* has relinquished their ownership of MS-DOS, any version; however, I also wasn't looking specifically for cede of ownership. Where have you seen that Microsoft relinquished ownership or even changed the license for MS-DOS? Microsoft doling it out for free is news to me but I doubt the licensing or ownership changed. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/105609 That batch file looks to run setup.exe so some folks might think the Microsoft's site was doling MS-DOS 6.22 out for free; however, doesn't look like the FTP download is for a free *full* copy of MS-DOS 6.22 but is just an upgrade which means you need the prior versions of MS-DOS, as noted at: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/119151 The MS-DOS 6.22 Step-Up updates your system from MS-DOS 6, 6.2 or 6.21 to MS-DOS 6.22. Apparently "step up" back then is what was later called "upgrade". So there is no full version 6.22 download of MS-DOS at Microsoft's FTP site, just an upgrade to 6.22. http://microsoft.wikia.com/wiki/MS-DOS However the only versions of DOS currently recognized as stand-alone OSs, and supported as such by the Microsoft Corporation are DOS 6.0 and 6.22, both of which remain available for download via their MSDN, volume license, and OEM license partner websites, for customers with valid login credentials. A subscription MSDN is *not* free. Depending on how much you pay for different subscription tiers, you can get some or all of Microsoft operating systems and also their applications. They still enforce the licensing for each included product and the subscriptions are costly. See https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/p.../how-to-buy-vs. The cheapest subscription costs $699. At that price, FreeDOS is a much better personal-use choice. https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/p.../how-to-buy-vs So 1.1 and 2.0 of MS-DOS went open source. Have fun compiling provided you know all the compiler switches. Other than the products listed in the article, none of Microsoft's later versions are in the public domain and they remain the property of Microsoft which has not distributed them as freeware. Oh, as to how long copyrights last, for any works produced after 1977 the copyright is enforceable until the death of the until plus another 70 years (to whomever the author bequeaths the copyright). Courts have long recognized companies as legal entities having the rights of humans. Until Microsoft dies as a legal entity, they still own their own software until they decide to release it to the public domain. http://www.nolo.com/legal-encycloped...q-29079-4.html |
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"Bill Cunningham" wrote in message
... "VanguardLH" wrote in message ... Bill Cunningham wrote: A Big Cut Out I do not know how long a copyright lasts until it needs to be renewed and if things ever all evetually go public domain. It's a matter of just looking up the law I guess. On MS's free ftp server you can download I think dos 6.22 for nothig. MS Have No More FTP Download Dam I E-Mail This From: "Bill Cunningham" Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 2:51 PM Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion Subject: virtual pc 2007 and win98se I can create a virtual HD. And it wants to boot a floppy. One can "attach" a virtualization iso and it should boot. Look you just made a New Computer With nothing on the New Hard Drive and with no com2 To Embed a PC HD first Boot is A:\ It need to be Fdisk to set up HD But to Do a Reset of First Boot to a CD Rom You have to do the Old BIOS SETUP UTILITY Click on Action Button Then form list Click on Ctrl+Alt+Delete Be Quit it Hit Delete On your Keyboard http://mynews.from-tx.com/win-98/Vir...chine-BIOS.jpg Remember Mice do Not work in Bios In BIOS SETUP UTILITY Notes: ( If you need more Time Next time In Advanced @ Boot Setting Configuration Quiet Boot "Disabled" ESC ESC ) Go to Boot Click on Boot Device Priority http://mynews.from-tx.com/win-98/Virtual-Machine- Boot_Device.jpg Move to 1st Boot Device CDROM Move to 2nd Boot Device Floppy Drive Move to 2nd Boot Device Hard Drive ESC EXIT Exit Saving Changes Fix CD Will be First I just can't get to the HD on controler 2. In BIOS SETUP UTILITY Advanced IDE Configuration Primary IDE Channel : Hard Drive Virtual-Machine-Primary_IDE.jpg Some of the terms here with COM2 and COM3 sound kind of old to me. We Will Come Back to COM The PC 2007 has AMI bios. My machine has Phoenix bios. Dam good Computer But virtual pc 2007 Make it On Virtual Bios it a American Megatrends Running as a virtual on your Phoenix bios TRUE If ther eis more info needed I can search for it. But I don't know what else to say. http://mynews.from-tx.com/win-98/relnotes.htm This release of Virtual PC 2007 introduces support for Windows Vista as a host operating system. The following are supported host operating systems: Windows Vista Business Windows Vista Enterprise Windows Vista Ultimate Windows Server® 2003, Standard Edition Windows Server 2003, Standard x64 Edition Windows® XP Professional Windows XP Professional x64 Edition XP-x64 is your Right Billy Boy I Am running old Pane Jane XP- Windows XP Tablet PC Edition Bill I Be Work On This Webpage http://mynews.from-tx.com/html/e8120...57f697ed28.htm |
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"Bill Cunningham" wrote in message ... "VanguardLH" wrote in message ... I doubt the OP has an .iso file containing a bootable Windows XP image on a floppy drive so I focused on the likely media type: CD/DVD/BD disc. I've got it to boot bfore. Using virtualbox. Well virtualbox is working now. You a 100% Right http://mynews.from-tx.com/win-98/iso.jpg http://mynews.from-tx.com/win-98/ISO-Running.jpg It doesn't want to boot the .iso image bo\ut wants to boot the floppy. http://mynews.from-tx.com/win-98/Vir...ine-floppy.jpg http://mynews.from-tx.com/win-98/Vir...ppy_win-98.jpg http://mynews.from-tx.com/win-98/flo...98_Running.jpg win-98/Virtual_Win-98/ floppy IMG Here Changing VM bios boot order doesn't seem to help. For BIOS Message-ID: |
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