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Old April 21st 15, 06:16 AM posted to 24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
VanguardLH
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Bill Cunningham wrote:

I always like 98. I always set it to not boot in ui mode just good old
dos. Then I coiuld always type if I remember "win" and it would boot
windows. No more windows on dos. All windows with a "dos box"


If you just need DOS, FreeDOS is free.
  #22  
Old April 22nd 15, 09:32 AM posted to 24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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"Bill Cunningham" wrote in message
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"Bill Cunningham" wrote in message
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"Bill Cunningham" wrote in message
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https://winworldpc.com/product/windo...second-edition


Say:Big Bill
It came in two parts
Windows98 SE OS CD
and Windows98 SE DOS
Boot Floppy

http://mynews.from-tx.com/img/jpg/image_win98-SE.jpg

Well I go it from here anyway. DOS is booting but not the ISO maybe it
isn't bootable.
Bill

I downloaded the full retail version. There is the full OEM version
too. But full versions I would think do not depend on win95 to be present
to show as an upgrade. Hence a full version.

OK. Well for some reason niether 2007 or Oracle's VB wants to recognize
the full retail version of 98se. So I downloaded the OEM version and it
works fine. Whew. I wonder why that is. Any opinions? Anyway if anyne else
wants to do this, download the OEM version.
Bill



All Windows 98 OEM version
Need to State Up With a
DOS Booting at A:\

You Need This One

Windows98_SE.img

I just put it back in

http://mynews.from-tx.com/temp/

Now you do
know how to setup a
IMG as in A:\ Drive Right

  #23  
Old April 22nd 15, 11:49 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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"VanguardLH"

wrote in message
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Bill Cunningham wrote:
You see because of this I will not buy a windows OS. OR anything
really from MS. If they want $20 maybe 25 dollars for it and that's
pushing it, I might buy it. It's not worth the red tape. The OS is
not that good. It's ok yeah. It comes on the computer and I'm not
throwing it out but I am not paying good money when there's other OSs
just as good. If not better. Windows focuses on the masses that can't
do anything from a cli so they need a gui. People that barely know
how to turn on a PC.


Mr. Cunningham

I Have One New
Genuine
Un use in Bag
That Microsoft

Made it for
Dell Support
I pay 50 penny for in 2002

What was the point or goal of installing Windows 98 into a VM? There
must've been some reason you wanted Windows 98 instead of, say, Ubuntu
or Mint as the guest OS.


Windows 98 SE
Become Plus XP Sp-3

For Ubuntu or Mint
Do Not Run On
Virtual pc 2007
On XP

If had a XP
You would have
know that Debian

-based Linux
operating system

Would have to be install
on a Oracle VM VirtualBox
Running on a XP

Windows 98 is a frankenjob of MS-DOS kernel and 98 kernel. There was a
CLI available (which I assume means the DOS kernel versus just a command
shell). If you don't really want Windows 98 in the VM and are looking
for a free DOS-type of operating system to run in the VM then you could
use FreeDOS in the VM.


Why He not running
A Linux like you
With XP in
VirtualBox -
Official Site


"It comes [Windows 98 came] on the computer" sure sounds like it is a
pre-installed OEM license which means it is locked to that computer and
cannot be used in a VM. An OEM license doesn't care it if sits idle.
Having a spare and unfettered license to Windows to utilize it within a
VM is what stops a lot of users from using VMs running Windows: there's
the expense of another unfettered Windows license needed for the VM.
No, there is no Microsoft police that will come to arrest you nor will
they file a lawsuit. It's you deciding whether or not to comply with
the terms of the contract to use Windows. Lots of users find all sorts
of excuses to do what they want because they can get away with it. If
there is no perception of penalty, many people will steal. They have
adaptive morality which means they don't have any unless they fear
punishment. If you visit eBay, there are lots of sellers distributing
NFR (not for resale) versions Windows and all those sales are illegal.
eBay doesn't enforce their own rules because they want their
auctioneer's commission on sales.


Legally
Windows (Pay) for windows
Who they going to Sue Windows

Windows (pay) for Linux (Free)
Who they going to Sue Linux

No But They can Come after
The User of Linux
If he do not have license
by Windows
Needed for the Linux VM

For Windows
For Microsoft Members Only

Install Xp on win7, or 8 and with
Oracle VM VirtualBox


http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/se...ads/index.html

  #24  
Old April 22nd 15, 04:31 PM posted to alt.comp.freeware,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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"VanguardLH" wrote in message
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Bill Cunningham wrote:

I always like 98.
I always set it to not boot in
ui mode just good old dos.
Then I coiuld always type if I remember
"win" and it would boot windows.
No more windows on dos.
All windows with a "dos box"


MR. Cunningham
I Know
They started that with
Windows 3.0

If you just need DOS,
FreeDOS is free.


Vanguard
It runs on virtual pc Too

So is MS-Dos
It Freeware

virtual pc 2007
It Freeware

All By Microsoft

Did You Know

That you can
In Xp Jump To
Win 98 To Dos
In No time at all

By the Way you Know
That Windows 3.x's
Need no Keys

Drive on virtual pc
it's Free to all
Microsoft XP Members

Plug in that DR
DOS 32 bit
Work up to a
Windows 3.11

Yes Work Groups

Now day We have Two PC
Microsoft 7 Members &
Up MSN-Groups



  #25  
Old April 22nd 15, 05:16 PM posted to 24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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"VanguardLH" wrote in message
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Bill Cunningham wrote:
"VanguardLH" wrote...
I doubt the OP has an .iso file containing a bootable Windows XP image
on a floppy drive so I focused on the likely media type: CD/DVD/BD
disc.
I've got it to boot bfore. Using virtualbox. Well virtualbox is
working
now. It doesn't want to boot the .iso image bo\ut wants to boot the
floppy.
Changing VM bios boot order doesn't seem to help.

Does the ISO image (burned to a CD/DVD/BD disc) boot in the host OS
(i.e., the real OS)? That is, burn the ISO to a disc, put the disc in
the optical drive, and reboot your computer, go into BIOS to check the
boot order has the optical drive before the HDD, reboot again, and see
if you can boot using the disc.
If the disc won't boot in the real or host OS, it won't boot in the
guest OS.

If he could create a Windows 98 or 98se boot floppy somehow then he could
get to a non bootable ISO that way.
As a side note Virtual PC 2007 will let you listen to stereo in virtual
machines but the Virtual XP that comes with Windows 7 Pro will not.


You Have To
Plug it In


Rocky


Windows 98 se
Cd is only 1/2
Of that Kit
Run MS-DOS 32
Floppy Setup
It the First 1/2

All versions of Windows for x86-64
and Itanium architectures no longer
include the NTVDM
and can therefore no longer natively run MS-DOS
or 16-bit Windows applications.

There are alternatives in the form of
Virtual machine emulators such as
Microsoft's own Virtual PC,
as well as VMware,
DOSBox,
and others.

  #26  
Old April 22nd 15, 08:31 PM posted to alt.comp.freeware,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Billy Ray Ferrell wrote:

VanguardLH wrote

If you just need DOS, FreeDOS is free.


It runs on virtual pc Too


You haven't followed the thread. My recommendation of FreeDOS was to
run it as a guest OS in a VM.

So is MS-Dos It Freeware


Wrong. MS-DOS is still owned by Microsoft. It is not free. Not
selling a product does not relinquish its ownership. The newsgroups to
which this thread is cross-posted are NOT pro-piracy.

virtual pc 2007 That you can In Xp Jump To Win 98 To Dos In No time at
all


The other participants in this discussion are not the ones who are
ignorant as to what is VirtualPC 2007 or how it can be used.

By the Way you Know That Windows 3.x's Need no Keys


Irrelevant. These are not pro-piracy newsgroups.

Plug in that DR DOS 32


You apparently don't know about the history of Dr-DOS. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DR-DOS#Controversies

One of the cross-posted newsgroups is alt.comp.freeware. Dr-DOS is not
free. As noted in the wikipedia article, version 8.x was withdrawn and
why you can only *buy* version 7.03 ($79).

The pirating by Dr-DOS (which you probably don't care about considering
your pro-piracy remarks) and that Dr-DOS is not free is why I suggested
FreeDOS.

Now day We have Two PC Microsoft 7 Members & Up MSN-Groups


Yeah, sure, whatever that rambling mess was supposed to mean.

NOTE: Twould be appreciated if you disabled centering in your editor,
learned to punctuate, and reviewed your post BEFORE submitting it.
  #27  
Old April 22nd 15, 11:08 PM posted to 24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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"VanguardLH" wrote in message
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Bill Cunningham wrote:

You see because of this I will not buy a windows OS. OR anything
really from MS. If they want $20 maybe 25 dollars for it and that's
pushing it, I might buy it. It's not worth the red tape. The OS is
not that good. It's ok yeah. It comes on the computer and I'm not
throwing it out but I am not paying good money when there's other OSs
just as good. If not better. Windows focuses on the masses that can't
do anything from a cli so they need a gui. People that barely know
how to turn on a PC.


What was the point or goal of installing Windows 98 into a VM? There
must've been some reason you wanted Windows 98 instead of, say, Ubuntu
or Mint as the guest OS.

Windows 98 is a frankenjob of MS-DOS kernel and 98 kernel. There was a
CLI available (which I assume means the DOS kernel versus just a command
shell). If you don't really want Windows 98 in the VM and are looking
for a free DOS-type of operating system to run in the VM then you could
use FreeDOS in the VM.

"It comes [Windows 98 came] on the computer" sure sounds like it is a
pre-installed OEM license which means it is locked to that computer and
cannot be used in a VM. An OEM license doesn't care it if sits idle.
Having a spare and unfettered license to Windows to utilize it within a
VM is what stops a lot of users from using VMs running Windows: there's
the expense of another unfettered Windows license needed for the VM.
No, there is no Microsoft police that will come to arrest you nor will
they file a lawsuit. It's you deciding whether or not to comply with
the terms of the contract to use Windows. Lots of users find all sorts
of excuses to do what they want because they can get away with it. If
there is no perception of penalty, many people will steal. They have
adaptive morality which means they don't have any unless they fear
punishment. If you visit eBay, there are lots of sellers distributing
NFR (not for resale) versions Windows and all those sales are illegal.
eBay doesn't enforce their own rules because they want their
auctioneer's commission on sales.

Read the EULA carefully. Some users read more than what is specified
there and other users don't read it at all. For example, the EULA for
Windows XP only restricts that you cannot run a license for Windows XP
on multiple computers at the same time; i.e., only one installation
instance can be active at a time. You can actually install it on
multiple computers or multiple drives you swap into the same computer
but only one of those instances can be active at a time. We checked
with Microsoft and found putting it on multiple HDDs (so we had
different setups under which to test) was valid per the EULA and was
legit with them. The HDD that was currently inserted in the computer
was running the only active instance of the license. Microsoft has
adapted their EULA over time but back then the terms were more lax.
Often users read more than what was actually stipulated in the EULA. Of
course, you couldn't have both the host OS and the guest OS running the
same license of Windows because obviously there were 2 active instances
of that OS running. I haven't bothered to go find a Windows 98 EULA to
see its terms; however, since it looks like you only have an OEM license
of Windows 98 that was already pre-installed on the real computer then
the OEM license probably got "used up" and you cannot use it within a
VM.

An online search will find someone who saved a copy of the Windows 98
EULA to put online. http://ftp.sustech.edu/Books/linux-book/eula98.html
(don't which edition you have so I looked for a plain vanilla edition)
is one. Notice it says you can use the license on a single computer.
That does not restrict you from using the license on multiple computer
but only one of them can be running Windows 98 at a time. That means
you cannot have that license as both the host and guest OS. I didn't
see any conditions that differ use of the license between full and OEM
versions.

Again, the Windows 98 EULA would be the final authority as to how and
where you deploy its [OEM] license. So it could be you could reuse the
OEM license of Windows 98 that was pre-installed on your old computer
*if* the EULA doesn't have restrictions against such multiple
deployment. Go by what the EULA says, only what it says, and don't read
more in it that it actually says. You agreed to that contract, not to
someone's interpreted version of it. Licenses for later versions of
Windows do not retroactively apply to prior versions of Windows. You
are liable only to the terms of an existing contract, not all future
contracts or even any modifications to contracts (to which you don't
agree as a party to the contract).

Did you ever try to boot using the "ISO disc" using the host OS (the
real OS) to see if that disc was really bootable? In addition, you can
use IsoBuster (it has a crippled free version) to look at the contents
of an .iso file (that you would eventually burn to a disc to have a
bootable disc).


I do not know how long a copyright lasts until it needs to be renewed
and if things ever all evetually go public domain. It's a matter of just
looking up the law I guess. On MS's free ftp server you can download I think
dos 6.22 for nothig.

Bill


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Old April 23rd 15, 09:58 PM posted to 24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Bill Cunningham wrote:

I do not know how long a copyright lasts until it needs to be renewed
and if things ever all evetually go public domain. It's a matter of
just looking up the law I guess. On MS's free ftp server you can
download I think dos 6.22 for nothig.


ftp.microsoft.com
Has a miscellany of files but a lot has disappeared over the years.

ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/peropsys/msdos/public/msdos622/
Nothing there looks like an installer for MS-DOS 6.22. There is a
stepup\english\stepup.exe file at 2.5 MB. Don't know what it is but I
doubt Microsoft mispelled "setup" twice.

No longer developing a product, discontinuing a product, and even making
it free does not nullify the license for that product. I have not seen
evidence that *Microsoft* has relinquished their ownership of MS-DOS,
any version; however, I also wasn't looking specifically for cede of
ownership.

Where have you seen that Microsoft relinquished ownership or even
changed the license for MS-DOS? Microsoft doling it out for free is
news to me but I doubt the licensing or ownership changed.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/105609

That batch file looks to run setup.exe so some folks might think the
Microsoft's site was doling MS-DOS 6.22 out for free; however, doesn't
look like the FTP download is for a free *full* copy of MS-DOS 6.22 but
is just an upgrade which means you need the prior versions of MS-DOS, as
noted at:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/119151
The MS-DOS 6.22 Step-Up updates your system from MS-DOS 6, 6.2 or 6.21
to MS-DOS 6.22.

Apparently "step up" back then is what was later called "upgrade". So
there is no full version 6.22 download of MS-DOS at Microsoft's FTP
site, just an upgrade to 6.22.

http://microsoft.wikia.com/wiki/MS-DOS
However the only versions of DOS currently recognized as stand-alone
OSs, and supported as such by the Microsoft Corporation are DOS 6.0
and 6.22, both of which remain available for download via their MSDN,
volume license, and OEM license partner websites, for customers with
valid login credentials.

A subscription MSDN is *not* free. Depending on how much you pay for
different subscription tiers, you can get some or all of Microsoft
operating systems and also their applications. They still enforce the
licensing for each included product and the subscriptions are costly.
See https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/p.../how-to-buy-vs. The
cheapest subscription costs $699. At that price, FreeDOS is a much
better personal-use choice.

https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/p.../how-to-buy-vs

So 1.1 and 2.0 of MS-DOS went open source. Have fun compiling provided
you know all the compiler switches. Other than the products listed in
the article, none of Microsoft's later versions are in the public domain
and they remain the property of Microsoft which has not distributed them
as freeware.

Oh, as to how long copyrights last, for any works produced after 1977
the copyright is enforceable until the death of the until plus another
70 years (to whomever the author bequeaths the copyright). Courts have
long recognized companies as legal entities having the rights of humans.
Until Microsoft dies as a legal entity, they still own their own
software until they decide to release it to the public domain.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encycloped...q-29079-4.html
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Old April 24th 15, 07:14 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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"Bill Cunningham" wrote in message
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"VanguardLH" wrote in message
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Bill Cunningham wrote:

A Big Cut Out

I do not know how long a copyright lasts until it needs to be renewed
and if things ever all evetually go public domain. It's a matter of just
looking up the law I guess. On MS's free ftp server you can download I
think dos 6.22 for nothig.


MS Have No More FTP Download


Dam I E-Mail This

From: "Bill Cunningham"
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 2:51 PM
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Subject: virtual pc 2007 and win98se

I can create a virtual HD. And it wants to boot a floppy. One can
"attach" a virtualization iso and it should boot.


Look you just made a New Computer
With nothing on the New Hard Drive
and with no com2

To Embed a PC HD first Boot is A:\
It need to be Fdisk to set up HD

But to Do a Reset of First Boot to a CD Rom

You have to do the Old
BIOS SETUP UTILITY

Click on Action Button
Then form list Click on
Ctrl+Alt+Delete

Be Quit it Hit
Delete
On your Keyboard

http://mynews.from-tx.com/win-98/Vir...chine-BIOS.jpg

Remember Mice do
Not work in Bios

In BIOS SETUP UTILITY

Notes: (
If you need more Time
Next time
In Advanced @
Boot Setting Configuration
Quiet Boot "Disabled"
ESC
ESC )


Go to Boot
Click on
Boot Device Priority

http://mynews.from-tx.com/win-98/Virtual-Machine- Boot_Device.jpg

Move to 1st Boot Device
CDROM
Move to 2nd Boot Device
Floppy Drive
Move to 2nd Boot Device
Hard Drive

ESC

EXIT
Exit Saving Changes

Fix
CD Will be First


I just can't get to the HD on controler 2.


In BIOS SETUP UTILITY

Advanced
IDE Configuration
Primary IDE Channel : Hard Drive

Virtual-Machine-Primary_IDE.jpg


Some of the terms here with COM2 and COM3 sound kind of old to me.


We Will Come Back to COM

The PC 2007 has AMI bios. My machine has Phoenix bios.


Dam good Computer

But virtual pc 2007
Make it On
Virtual Bios
it a American Megatrends

Running as a virtual on your Phoenix bios TRUE


If ther eis more info needed I can search for it. But I don't know what
else to say.


http://mynews.from-tx.com/win-98/relnotes.htm

This release of Virtual PC 2007
introduces support for Windows Vista
as a host operating system.

The following are supported host operating systems:

Windows Vista Business
Windows Vista Enterprise
Windows Vista Ultimate
Windows Server® 2003, Standard Edition
Windows Server 2003, Standard x64 Edition
Windows® XP Professional
Windows XP Professional x64 Edition

XP-x64 is your Right Billy Boy
I Am running old Pane Jane XP-

Windows XP Tablet PC Edition


Bill I Be Work On This Webpage

http://mynews.from-tx.com/html/e8120...57f697ed28.htm

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Old April 24th 15, 04:51 PM posted to 24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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"Bill Cunningham" wrote in message
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"VanguardLH" wrote in message
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I doubt the OP has an .iso file containing a bootable Windows XP image
on a floppy drive so I focused on the likely media type: CD/DVD/BD disc.

I've got it to boot bfore. Using virtualbox. Well virtualbox is working
now.


You a 100% Right
http://mynews.from-tx.com/win-98/iso.jpg
http://mynews.from-tx.com/win-98/ISO-Running.jpg

It doesn't want to boot the .iso image bo\ut wants to boot the floppy.


http://mynews.from-tx.com/win-98/Vir...ine-floppy.jpg
http://mynews.from-tx.com/win-98/Vir...ppy_win-98.jpg
http://mynews.from-tx.com/win-98/flo...98_Running.jpg

win-98/Virtual_Win-98/
floppy IMG Here

Changing VM bios boot order doesn't seem to help.



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