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Is there any browser left for Win98se?
Bill in Co wrote:
I thought I made it clear in my last post that you can't install any version of FF 3.x without having Kex. Then he must have KernelEx installed. If he did, then he could have tried Firefox 10.0.2 (at least). Instead all he claimed was 3.5. By "too limited", I meant the bigger picture, not necessarily the "inherent" limitations of the OS: Win-98 is inherently a WIN32 OS. What it lacks are the API functions that have been added to the NT line, and many of the more useful ones are being replicated by KernelEx, with new ones being added via "stubs". I can't even install several good (and even older) fundamental audio and video restoration apps Heck, even something as good as the near oldest version of Adobe Audition (which improved on Cool Edit Pro) can't be used, I've just spent about 15 minutes trying to locate old versions of Adobe Audition for download - which I can't find. What I can find are various versions of CoolEdit Pro: http://www.oldversion.com/windows/cool-edit-pro/ I downloaded "Cool Edit Pro 2000 1.1" and installed it, then I installed the "Cool Edit Pro 2000 Audio Cleanup plug-in 1.1". After installing the plugin and running CoolEdit, it opens and loads the wav file "solace.wav" (from the movie "The Sting" ?) - a 10 second piano clip that contains pops. I fool around with the Transform - Noise Reduction - Click/Pop eliminator, and I remove the pops, and when I play the clip I can't hear them. So at this point I've satisfied myself that I can perform some basic level of audio restoration. What else you do, and what this version of Cool Edit can or can't do, I don't know. I could spend a couple of hours downloading this: Adobe Audition CS6 v5.0.2 build 7 LS7 http://avaxhome.ws/software/software...g/edi3212.html From he http://depositfiles.com/folders/IOOO7XHN9 And then follow the instructions to get the hack/crack working, but that's too much work just to (possibly) prove to you that I can run the latest version of Audition under win-98. My cursory searching for the earliest versions of Audition (released in August 2003) indicates that it was compatible with Windows 98. And even if it wasn't, it would almost certainly be able to run under Win-98 with Kex using "win-2000 compatibility" mode. and there is nothing available that is installable on W98 that can do all it can do. Have you tried to install what you have (presumably some version of Adobe Audition) on a win-98 system with Kex? The other thing I don't miss about W98 was the (much) more frequent blue screens (I mean, with all my varous software installations and customizations), which I rarely see with XP. Blue screens are the result of trying to run win-98 on ancient hardware with buggy drivers with 32 mb of ram. If you've ever installed and run win-98 on any hardware circa 2004 and later (with 2 ghz P4 CPU with at least 256 mb of ram and a decent Nvidia or ATI video card) you too would experience trouble-free operation. I've stated here MANY TIMES that win-9x/me got a bad rap because it was pushed out to consumers at a time when computing hardware was in a horrible state. Hard drives did not auto-correct for errors, the new AGP bus was still being worked out, video card drivers were buggy - and on and on. By the time XP came out for the general consumer, the hardware standards were raised far beyond what Microsoft called for with Win-98. Far too many games played with user accounts, rights, ownerships and permissions. I enjoy not having to deal with that **** on Win-98. I have Administrator access to everything as the sole user, so that seems to be a non issue for me Try to edit the hosts file on a win-7 computer. It's an agonizing process - even if you ARE the administrator. And the limited USB and SATA support. I notice that you had nothing to say about my comments about USB and SATA support... |
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Is there any browser left for Win98se?
Stanley Daniel de Liver wrote:
He already ruled that out. I doubt there's any HTML5 browsers being written for W98, and even if there was one, I suspect that hardware from that era would struggle. There's no reason to be running win-98 on "hardware from that era". Heck, even I never ran windows-98 on anything less than an 800 mhz P3 with 256 mb ram and 64 mb AGP video card. My current win-98 systems are based on socket 478 P4 (2.8 ghz) and socket 775 Celeron D (3.46 ghz) with 1.5 TB sata hard drives. |
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Is there any browser left for Win98se?
In message , 98 Guy writes:
Stanley Daniel de Liver wrote: He already ruled that out. I doubt there's any HTML5 browsers being written for W98, and even if there was one, I suspect that hardware from that era would struggle. There's no reason to be running win-98 on "hardware from that era". Heck, even I never ran windows-98 on anything less than an 800 mhz P3 with 256 mb ram and 64 mb AGP video card. My current win-98 systems are based on socket 478 P4 (2.8 ghz) and socket 775 Celeron D (3.46 ghz) with 1.5 TB sata hard drives. My 98SElite system has a 400 MHz processor and 128M RAM; for the very restricted uses I have for it, it runs fine. (That use is mainly downloading, so it does go online; it has Firefox 2.x [not KernelEx, though I have played with that].) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "... four Oscars, and two further nominations ... On these criteria, he's Britain's most successful film director." Powell or Pressburger? no; Richard Attenborough? no; Nick Park! |
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Is there any browser left for Win98se?
98 Guy wrote:
Bill in Co wrote: I thought I made it clear in my last post that you can't install any version of FF 3.x without having Kex. Then he must have KernelEx installed. If he did, then he could have tried Firefox 10.0.2 (at least). Instead all he claimed was 3.5. By "too limited", I meant the bigger picture, not necessarily the "inherent" limitations of the OS: Win-98 is inherently a WIN32 OS. What it lacks are the API functions that have been added to the NT line, and many of the more useful ones are being replicated by KernelEx, with new ones being added via "stubs". I can't even install several good (and even older) fundamental audio and video restoration apps Heck, even something as good as the near oldest version of Adobe Audition (which improved on Cool Edit Pro) can't be used, I've just spent about 15 minutes trying to locate old versions of Adobe Audition for download - which I can't find. It can be a challenge, but can reward those who persevere. (Note: 15 minutes doesn't qualify as perseverance :-). But you may be able to find a cheap OEM version online, if you were so inclined. But if you're not into audio that much, it probably isn't worth it. What I can find are various versions of CoolEdit Pro: http://www.oldversion.com/windows/cool-edit-pro/ I downloaded "Cool Edit Pro 2000 1.1" and installed it, then I installed the "Cool Edit Pro 2000 Audio Cleanup plug-in 1.1". After installing the plugin and running CoolEdit, it opens and loads the wav file "solace.wav" (from the movie "The Sting" ?) - a 10 second piano clip that contains pops. I fool around with the Transform - Noise Reduction - Click/Pop eliminator, and I remove the pops, and when I play the clip I can't hear them. And it does a fair job at that. But CEP also lacks FSE (frequency space editing), as I've already mentioned. But its click and pop removal tools are just fair - there are much better dedicated ones (but not for W98). So at this point I've satisfied myself that I can perform some basic level of audio restoration. What else you do, and what this version of Cool Edit can or can't do, I don't know. Frequency space editing, and a much better job at removing noise and clicks and pops (with some other software, and some special restoration plug-ins for the newer versions of Sound Forge, et al, that won't install on W98). I could spend a couple of hours downloading this: Adobe Audition CS6 v5.0.2 build 7 LS7 I wouldn't bother with that bloatware. Besides which, you'd waste your time, as you've never get it to install on W98. The newer versions of Adobe Audition are truly bloatware. http://avaxhome.ws/software/software...g/edi3212.html From he http://depositfiles.com/folders/IOOO7XHN9 And then follow the instructions to get the hack/crack working, but that's too much work just to (possibly) prove to you that I can run the latest version of Audition under win-98. And you can't, anyway. You won't even be able to get Adobe Audition 1.5 to install. (BTDT, even with your vaunted KernelEx). It's a "no go". My cursory searching for the earliest versions of Audition (released in August 2003) indicates that it was compatible with Windows 98. Adobe Audition 1.0, possibly; Adobe Audition 1.5 and above, no way. Even with your much touted KernelEx, the installer balks, no matter what compatibility mode or options you select. BTDT. And even if it wasn't, it would almost certainly be able to run under Win-98 with Kex using "win-2000 compatibility" mode. No BTDT, too. (Who said anything about these apps even being compatible with Win2000? These apps are too new for both OSs. and there is nothing available that is installable on W98 that can do all it can do. Have you tried to install what you have (presumably some version of Adobe Audition) on a win-98 system with Kex? As per above, yes. BTDT. The other thing I don't miss about W98 was the (much) more frequent blue screens (I mean, with all my varous software installations and customizations), which I rarely see with XP. Blue screens are the result of trying to run win-98 on ancient hardware with buggy drivers with 32 mb of ram. I don't think my computer AND the software apps I was playing with at that time were ancient. They were all of the same vintage. So that's not it. I did a LOT of experimentation in Win98, if you recall from the newsgroups, including helping to track down that infamous Win98 windows explorer "hanging" problem (when deleting a large number of files), which I resolved by using two IE55 browse DLLs in place of the IE6 versions, if you recall). If you've ever installed and run win-98 on any hardware circa 2004 and later (with 2 ghz P4 CPU with at least 256 mb of ram and a decent Nvidia or ATI video card) you too would experience trouble-free operation. I've stated here MANY TIMES that win-9x/me got a bad rap because it was pushed out to consumers at a time when computing hardware was in a horrible state. Hard drives did not auto-correct for errors, the new AGP bus was still being worked out, video card drivers were buggy - and on and on. By the time XP came out for the general consumer, the hardware standards were raised far beyond what Microsoft called for with Win-98. Far too many games played with user accounts, rights, ownerships and permissions. I enjoy not having to deal with that **** on Win-98. I have Administrator access to everything as the sole user, so that seems to be a non issue for me Try to edit the hosts file on a win-7 computer. It's an agonizing process - even if you ARE the administrator. I can edit the HOSTS file with ease on my XP computer. (Who was talking about Win7? ICK) And the limited USB and SATA support. I notice that you had nothing to say about my comments about USB and SATA support... But none of that is as transparent and readily available as it is with WinXP. Nothing much to add the if you want to spend a bunch of time and energy trying to get it all to work well in W98, that's your call. I'd rather have it ALL available at the outset, as I've got enough other things to pursue. And I sure don't need ANY additional cards or other software or hardware support gimmicks to get it. And no add ons. |
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Is there any browser left for Win98se?
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , 98 Guy writes: Stanley Daniel de Liver wrote: He already ruled that out. I doubt there's any HTML5 browsers being written for W98, and even if there was one, I suspect that hardware from that era would struggle. There's no reason to be running win-98 on "hardware from that era". Heck, even I never ran windows-98 on anything less than an 800 mhz P3 with 256 mb ram and 64 mb AGP video card. My current win-98 systems are based on socket 478 P4 (2.8 ghz) and socket 775 Celeron D (3.46 ghz) with 1.5 TB sata hard drives. My 98SElite system has a 400 MHz processor and 128M RAM; for the very restricted uses I have for it, it runs fine. (That use is mainly downloading, so it does go online; it has Firefox 2.x [not KernelEx, though I have played with that].) I guess for email, that will work just fine. And maybe using EDLIN. :-) |
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Is there any browser left for Win98se?
On 19 Feb 2013, Stanley Daniel de Liver wrote:
At the moment I'm running XP on a 1GHz machine with 512MB RAM [] Though on the other hand, I've been at work killing bits of XP I don't like. Most notably (and memorably) I replaced Explorer with "LiteStep" for window management and "Gyula's Navigator" for file management. I run the JayOS Skin for LiteStep which is much more 98ish than the XP "Classic" theme and _far_ more customisable as well. I ended up doing the same thing to one of my W98 machines too. Thanks for those pointers. Just what's bad about the explorer? My PC (1G RAM I admit) running taskmanager shows the explorer task as using 16M. Not much compared with 65M for Iron (a de-googled version of Chrome). Well as I look now, LiteStep is using 11.5MB RAM. I just fired up explorer (been a long time since I did that last) and after opening a file manager window and closing it a couple of times it was sitting hapilly at ~39MB. Mind you as I said before, I was having quite a bit of trouble with Explorer (I think it would suddenly go to 100% CPU usage or something like that), so it may not be the healthiest example. Perhaps I'm a bit overly sensitive to RAM use, but I like a minimal background resource usage so that I leave as much power as possible for the programs I want to use. Of course XP makes a mess of this philosophy from the beginning, which is why I use older Windows or Linux on the other machines I use. I sometimes even go as far as DOS. -- __ __ #_ |\| | _# |
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Is there any browser left for Win98se?
On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 09:16:53 -0500, 98 Guy wrote:
Why do I not see Firefox 2.0.0.20 in that list? I have Firefox 3.x installed. It works best of all the browsers I use, but it's always been the slowest browser to load. K-Meleon always loaded almost instantly, and had a few features that FF lacks, which I liked. I still use K-Meleon for weather maps and sites that I know work on it. I suggest that you obtain and install a Win-98 API-extender / compatibility layer developed by a group of enthusiasts called "KernelEx". This allows Win-98 to run many applications that require Win-2k or XP, such as many recent versions of Firefox and Opera, as well as the most recent versions of VLC media player, Java JRE 6, and Adobe Flash player. KernelEx can be downloaded from he I have used KernelEx for at least 3 years! |
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Is there any browser left for Win98se?
On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 09:03:52 -0500, 98 Guy wrote:
Which is only true if you don't have Kex. Perhaps. No, it's true. The last version of Opera that was fully supported on Windows 98/ME is 9.64 (March 2009). The 10.xx versions are generally stable without KernelEX, except 10.5x and 10.60 (those versions have a bug). The bug was fixed with version 10.61. You can't install / run version 11 and higher without Kex. I used Opera back when I was running Windows 3.x, installed versions such as 4, 5 and 8 over the years in win95 and 98, and recently installed ver 10.63, which is the last one that will work on Win98 wiht KEX, from what I read. Over the years, I have never liked Opera. I dont like the way it looks, and worse it has always had problems rendering pages corectly, as well as crashing more often than other browsers. I only installed the ver 10.63 recently thinking that maybe they had changed it. I found it was the same thing I disliked years ago. Even if I was to upgrade my OS, I wont use Opera again. As much as I dislike IE, Opera was always far worse, and I'd rate it as the worst browser available. Maybe it's just a personal thing, but the problems with it exist. On top of that, there seems to be little support for it. In a rating website, where they rate browser preferences, Opera came in at the bottom, (for the more popular browsers). The less popular were grouped together in a category called "Other". That grouping was rated about the same as Opera. (below) I recall when Firefox was the most used browser. They sure have dropped. Probably because they upgrade it far too fast and keep making it more and more bloated. Not to mention not supporting older OSs. I dont know what their last version was that would work on XP, but I bet their latest dont. I hate bloat! Here is the link From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_browser_engine Dated: September 2012 Web browser usage. Chrome 29.03% IE 22.54% Firefox 19.26% Safari 15.59% (only for Apple computers) Android 4.59% Opera 4.53% other 4.46% |
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Is there any browser left for Win98se?
On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 17:54:07 -0500, 98 Guy wrote:
Blue screens are the result of trying to run win-98 on ancient hardware with buggy drivers with 32 mb of ram. If you've ever installed and run win-98 on any hardware circa 2004 and later (with 2 ghz P4 CPU with at least 256 mb of ram and a decent Nvidia or ATI video card) you too would experience trouble-free operation. I cant remember the last time I got a blue screen. My hardware is from 2000. It's a 1ghz proc with 512m RAM. What I do get on occasion is a problem where Explorer crashes when I start moving files around in large numbers. But that dont shut down the computer. I can still copy, paste and move files. What also happens on occasion is that if I open too many things, I get a major system slow-down, icons turn black, and my memory/system useage goes way down. But this requires about 20 open webpages, and a dozen other apps. I just need to shut down soem stuff and everything is fine. |
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