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"ssome" wrote in message . .. What util would show that all 1 mb of RAM is actually being used? Is it worth the effort to create a grass roots petition to get MSoft to modernize Win 98 SE leaving out the phone-home, spy, permissions, etc and adding in AV updates, 2 mb RAM, 750 GB HDs, better ScanDisk & Defrag (Me), OK load to 3 personal computers, and keeping DOS. No, i don't think that Me and 2000 is the answer. pls list other improvements needed. Can it be done and sell these CDs for $25-35? ssome "Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message ... I would put the new RAM in the first two slots, leave the 128 stick out. Try the computer, run some tests (RAM tests) and otherwise make sure it's running OK. You can *try* adding the 128 MB stick after making sure the two new ones work, but it will likely cause problems, and it will take you *over* 512 MB, which is where other problems kick in. For MORE than 512 MB of RAM, you need to add this to System.ini [vcache] (this line may already be there) MaxFileCache=524288 For more than 1GB of RAM, there is another setting that needs to be set, but you aren't going there. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User www.grystmill.com "Manny T." wrote in message ... After using W98SE for several years I am still a happy user. My system came with a RAM capacity of 128mb. If I increase the capacity by adding (2) 256mb sticks, what position should they be placed ? There are (3) slots with the 128 stick in the first slot. Also, in my research, there has been mention of placing a line in the system.inivcache of MaxFile=512000. These mentions have usually been in circumstances where the user was trying to utilize more than 1GB of RAM. Is this also advisable in my application, or, should I wait to see if there are any problems created by the addition of the 512mb first? Looking to be an even happier user. Input will be appreciated. -- Manny T. |
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MS no longer supports W98 and a petition will not change that I'm afraid.
-- Regards Ron Badour MS MVP 1997 - 2007 "ssome" wrote in message . .. What util would show that all 1 mb of RAM is actually being used? Is it worth the effort to create a grass roots petition to get MSoft to modernize Win 98 SE leaving out the phone-home, spy, permissions, etc and adding in AV updates, 2 mb RAM, 750 GB HDs, better ScanDisk & Defrag (Me), OK load to 3 personal computers, and keeping DOS. No, i don't think that Me and 2000 is the answer. pls list other improvements needed. Can it be done and sell these CDs for $25-35? ssome "Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message ... I would put the new RAM in the first two slots, leave the 128 stick out. Try the computer, run some tests (RAM tests) and otherwise make sure it's running OK. You can *try* adding the 128 MB stick after making sure the two new ones work, but it will likely cause problems, and it will take you *over* 512 MB, which is where other problems kick in. For MORE than 512 MB of RAM, you need to add this to System.ini [vcache] (this line may already be there) MaxFileCache=524288 For more than 1GB of RAM, there is another setting that needs to be set, but you aren't going there. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User www.grystmill.com "Manny T." wrote in message ... After using W98SE for several years I am still a happy user. My system came with a RAM capacity of 128mb. If I increase the capacity by adding (2) 256mb sticks, what position should they be placed ? There are (3) slots with the 128 stick in the first slot. Also, in my research, there has been mention of placing a line in the system.inivcache of MaxFile=512000. These mentions have usually been in circumstances where the user was trying to utilize more than 1GB of RAM. Is this also advisable in my application, or, should I wait to see if there are any problems created by the addition of the 512mb first? Looking to be an even happier user. Input will be appreciated. -- Manny T. |
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MS no longer supports W98 and a petition will not change that I'm afraid.
-- Regards Ron Badour MS MVP 1997 - 2007 "ssome" wrote in message . .. What util would show that all 1 mb of RAM is actually being used? Is it worth the effort to create a grass roots petition to get MSoft to modernize Win 98 SE leaving out the phone-home, spy, permissions, etc and adding in AV updates, 2 mb RAM, 750 GB HDs, better ScanDisk & Defrag (Me), OK load to 3 personal computers, and keeping DOS. No, i don't think that Me and 2000 is the answer. pls list other improvements needed. Can it be done and sell these CDs for $25-35? ssome "Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message ... I would put the new RAM in the first two slots, leave the 128 stick out. Try the computer, run some tests (RAM tests) and otherwise make sure it's running OK. You can *try* adding the 128 MB stick after making sure the two new ones work, but it will likely cause problems, and it will take you *over* 512 MB, which is where other problems kick in. For MORE than 512 MB of RAM, you need to add this to System.ini [vcache] (this line may already be there) MaxFileCache=524288 For more than 1GB of RAM, there is another setting that needs to be set, but you aren't going there. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User www.grystmill.com "Manny T." wrote in message ... After using W98SE for several years I am still a happy user. My system came with a RAM capacity of 128mb. If I increase the capacity by adding (2) 256mb sticks, what position should they be placed ? There are (3) slots with the 128 stick in the first slot. Also, in my research, there has been mention of placing a line in the system.inivcache of MaxFile=512000. These mentions have usually been in circumstances where the user was trying to utilize more than 1GB of RAM. Is this also advisable in my application, or, should I wait to see if there are any problems created by the addition of the 512mb first? Looking to be an even happier user. Input will be appreciated. -- Manny T. |
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Yea, we know, but...
maybe a world wide petition. looks like 30% of users still use win 98 FAT32 is plenty and many of my friends still use DOS apps, i use one dbase for my books. we are not all gamers "Ron Badour" wrote in message ... MS no longer supports W98 and a petition will not change that I'm afraid. -- Regards Ron Badour MS MVP 1997 - 2007 "ssome" wrote in message . .. What util would show that all 1 mb of RAM is actually being used? Is it worth the effort to create a grass roots petition to get MSoft to modernize Win 98 SE leaving out the phone-home, spy, permissions, etc and adding in AV updates, 2 mb RAM, 750 GB HDs, better ScanDisk & Defrag (Me), OK load to 3 personal computers, and keeping DOS. No, i don't think that Me and 2000 is the answer. pls list other improvements needed. Can it be done and sell these CDs for $25-35? ssome "Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message ... I would put the new RAM in the first two slots, leave the 128 stick out. Try the computer, run some tests (RAM tests) and otherwise make sure it's running OK. You can *try* adding the 128 MB stick after making sure the two new ones work, but it will likely cause problems, and it will take you *over* 512 MB, which is where other problems kick in. For MORE than 512 MB of RAM, you need to add this to System.ini [vcache] (this line may already be there) MaxFileCache=524288 For more than 1GB of RAM, there is another setting that needs to be set, but you aren't going there. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User www.grystmill.com "Manny T." wrote in message ... After using W98SE for several years I am still a happy user. My system came with a RAM capacity of 128mb. If I increase the capacity by adding (2) 256mb sticks, what position should they be placed ? There are (3) slots with the 128 stick in the first slot. Also, in my research, there has been mention of placing a line in the system.inivcache of MaxFile=512000. These mentions have usually been in circumstances where the user was trying to utilize more than 1GB of RAM. Is this also advisable in my application, or, should I wait to see if there are any problems created by the addition of the 512mb first? Looking to be an even happier user. Input will be appreciated. -- Manny T. |
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Yea, we know, but...
maybe a world wide petition. looks like 30% of users still use win 98 FAT32 is plenty and many of my friends still use DOS apps, i use one dbase for my books. we are not all gamers "Ron Badour" wrote in message ... MS no longer supports W98 and a petition will not change that I'm afraid. -- Regards Ron Badour MS MVP 1997 - 2007 "ssome" wrote in message . .. What util would show that all 1 mb of RAM is actually being used? Is it worth the effort to create a grass roots petition to get MSoft to modernize Win 98 SE leaving out the phone-home, spy, permissions, etc and adding in AV updates, 2 mb RAM, 750 GB HDs, better ScanDisk & Defrag (Me), OK load to 3 personal computers, and keeping DOS. No, i don't think that Me and 2000 is the answer. pls list other improvements needed. Can it be done and sell these CDs for $25-35? ssome "Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message ... I would put the new RAM in the first two slots, leave the 128 stick out. Try the computer, run some tests (RAM tests) and otherwise make sure it's running OK. You can *try* adding the 128 MB stick after making sure the two new ones work, but it will likely cause problems, and it will take you *over* 512 MB, which is where other problems kick in. For MORE than 512 MB of RAM, you need to add this to System.ini [vcache] (this line may already be there) MaxFileCache=524288 For more than 1GB of RAM, there is another setting that needs to be set, but you aren't going there. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User www.grystmill.com "Manny T." wrote in message ... After using W98SE for several years I am still a happy user. My system came with a RAM capacity of 128mb. If I increase the capacity by adding (2) 256mb sticks, what position should they be placed ? There are (3) slots with the 128 stick in the first slot. Also, in my research, there has been mention of placing a line in the system.inivcache of MaxFile=512000. These mentions have usually been in circumstances where the user was trying to utilize more than 1GB of RAM. Is this also advisable in my application, or, should I wait to see if there are any problems created by the addition of the 512mb first? Looking to be an even happier user. Input will be appreciated. -- Manny T. |
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You are mistaken. Of internet users, less than 1% use Windows 98. MUCH less
than any other OS that's been out since 98 came out (MSDOS and earlier versions of Windows aren't even mentioned.) Yes, I know that's only internet users, but there's a fair extrapolation, since most business systems these days are Win2k or WinXP, and those comprise the vast majority of non-internet machines (speaking only of Windows systems.) http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp You're beating a dead horse, but if that's what turns your crank, fine. Just don't expect the world to care much about it. If you want to use 98, there's nothing stopping you, just like there's nothing stopping you from using DOS 6.22, Windows 3.11 or Windows 95 or any other OS. But you'll get laughed out of court if you demand that the world, particularly applications developers, cater to your anachronistic whims. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User www.grystmill.com "ssome" wrote in message . .. Yea, we know, but... maybe a world wide petition. looks like 30% of users still use win 98 FAT32 is plenty and many of my friends still use DOS apps, i use one dbase for my books. we are not all gamers "Ron Badour" wrote in message ... MS no longer supports W98 and a petition will not change that I'm afraid. -- Regards Ron Badour MS MVP 1997 - 2007 "ssome" wrote in message . .. What util would show that all 1 mb of RAM is actually being used? Is it worth the effort to create a grass roots petition to get MSoft to modernize Win 98 SE leaving out the phone-home, spy, permissions, etc and adding in AV updates, 2 mb RAM, 750 GB HDs, better ScanDisk & Defrag (Me), OK load to 3 personal computers, and keeping DOS. No, i don't think that Me and 2000 is the answer. pls list other improvements needed. Can it be done and sell these CDs for $25-35? ssome "Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message ... I would put the new RAM in the first two slots, leave the 128 stick out. Try the computer, run some tests (RAM tests) and otherwise make sure it's running OK. You can *try* adding the 128 MB stick after making sure the two new ones work, but it will likely cause problems, and it will take you *over* 512 MB, which is where other problems kick in. For MORE than 512 MB of RAM, you need to add this to System.ini [vcache] (this line may already be there) MaxFileCache=524288 For more than 1GB of RAM, there is another setting that needs to be set, but you aren't going there. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User www.grystmill.com "Manny T." wrote in message ... After using W98SE for several years I am still a happy user. My system came with a RAM capacity of 128mb. If I increase the capacity by adding (2) 256mb sticks, what position should they be placed ? There are (3) slots with the 128 stick in the first slot. Also, in my research, there has been mention of placing a line in the system.inivcache of MaxFile=512000. These mentions have usually been in circumstances where the user was trying to utilize more than 1GB of RAM. Is this also advisable in my application, or, should I wait to see if there are any problems created by the addition of the 512mb first? Looking to be an even happier user. Input will be appreciated. -- Manny T. |
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You are mistaken. Of internet users, less than 1% use Windows 98. MUCH less
than any other OS that's been out since 98 came out (MSDOS and earlier versions of Windows aren't even mentioned.) Yes, I know that's only internet users, but there's a fair extrapolation, since most business systems these days are Win2k or WinXP, and those comprise the vast majority of non-internet machines (speaking only of Windows systems.) http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp You're beating a dead horse, but if that's what turns your crank, fine. Just don't expect the world to care much about it. If you want to use 98, there's nothing stopping you, just like there's nothing stopping you from using DOS 6.22, Windows 3.11 or Windows 95 or any other OS. But you'll get laughed out of court if you demand that the world, particularly applications developers, cater to your anachronistic whims. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User www.grystmill.com "ssome" wrote in message . .. Yea, we know, but... maybe a world wide petition. looks like 30% of users still use win 98 FAT32 is plenty and many of my friends still use DOS apps, i use one dbase for my books. we are not all gamers "Ron Badour" wrote in message ... MS no longer supports W98 and a petition will not change that I'm afraid. -- Regards Ron Badour MS MVP 1997 - 2007 "ssome" wrote in message . .. What util would show that all 1 mb of RAM is actually being used? Is it worth the effort to create a grass roots petition to get MSoft to modernize Win 98 SE leaving out the phone-home, spy, permissions, etc and adding in AV updates, 2 mb RAM, 750 GB HDs, better ScanDisk & Defrag (Me), OK load to 3 personal computers, and keeping DOS. No, i don't think that Me and 2000 is the answer. pls list other improvements needed. Can it be done and sell these CDs for $25-35? ssome "Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message ... I would put the new RAM in the first two slots, leave the 128 stick out. Try the computer, run some tests (RAM tests) and otherwise make sure it's running OK. You can *try* adding the 128 MB stick after making sure the two new ones work, but it will likely cause problems, and it will take you *over* 512 MB, which is where other problems kick in. For MORE than 512 MB of RAM, you need to add this to System.ini [vcache] (this line may already be there) MaxFileCache=524288 For more than 1GB of RAM, there is another setting that needs to be set, but you aren't going there. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User www.grystmill.com "Manny T." wrote in message ... After using W98SE for several years I am still a happy user. My system came with a RAM capacity of 128mb. If I increase the capacity by adding (2) 256mb sticks, what position should they be placed ? There are (3) slots with the 128 stick in the first slot. Also, in my research, there has been mention of placing a line in the system.inivcache of MaxFile=512000. These mentions have usually been in circumstances where the user was trying to utilize more than 1GB of RAM. Is this also advisable in my application, or, should I wait to see if there are any problems created by the addition of the 512mb first? Looking to be an even happier user. Input will be appreciated. -- Manny T. |
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"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
You are mistaken. Of internet users, less than 1% use Windows 98. I've seen stats indicating 2% as of July 2007. MUCH less than any other OS that's been out since 98 came out I believe that there were versions of Linux back in 1998, and naturally there was unix, win 3.x and win-98. Win-98 use is currently used more than any of those, not "MUCH less". http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp Which tracks only hits to that web domain. This tracks hits to all domains using this reporting and stats service: http://www.thecounter.com/stats/ I've just plotted all the 15 OS's they track (plotted going back to June 2006). I see a few interesting things: - MAC use jumped from 3% to 4% in Nov/2006 (but in general there is no general trend to the change) - Win-98 use was 5% in June 2006 and is 2% in July 2007 (basically, it's currently dropping at the rate of 1% every 7 months, so it should hit 1% in March 2008) - Linux is basically static, somewhere between .25 and .5% - Win-NT was less than Linux up until February 2007, when it started to climb 1% per month. I wonder if this is an error and this is really Vista being mis-identified as NT. - XP peaked at 84% in January 2007, and has been declining at 0.5% per month since then. Win-2K has shown a very even decline from 8.5% to 5.5% (about 0.2% decline per month) - Windows ME has stabilized at 0.003% for the past 6-8 months. - Win 3.x and Win-95 are very similar (0.1 to 0.15%) but win-95 has fallen to 0.0025% for the last 4 months . "ssome" wrote: Yea, we know, but... maybe a world wide petition. looks like 30% of users still use win 98 FAT32 is plenty and many of my friends still use DOS apps, i use one dbase for my books. we are not all gamers But you'll get laughed out of court if you demand that the world, particularly applications developers, cater to your anachronistic whims. "Ron Badour" wrote: MS no longer supports W98 and a petition will not change that I'm afraid. Ssome, you've got to realize that people like Gary and Ron earn their living based on continuous change in operating systems driven by the Micro$haft business model. Without OS turnover, we would end up with a stabilization of systems and software, and the need for IT people to tinker and troubleshoot and fix things would slowly go away. So the MVP's here have a vested interest in seeing people and businesses migrate to each new MS OS. |
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"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
You are mistaken. Of internet users, less than 1% use Windows 98. I've seen stats indicating 2% as of July 2007. MUCH less than any other OS that's been out since 98 came out I believe that there were versions of Linux back in 1998, and naturally there was unix, win 3.x and win-98. Win-98 use is currently used more than any of those, not "MUCH less". http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp Which tracks only hits to that web domain. This tracks hits to all domains using this reporting and stats service: http://www.thecounter.com/stats/ I've just plotted all the 15 OS's they track (plotted going back to June 2006). I see a few interesting things: - MAC use jumped from 3% to 4% in Nov/2006 (but in general there is no general trend to the change) - Win-98 use was 5% in June 2006 and is 2% in July 2007 (basically, it's currently dropping at the rate of 1% every 7 months, so it should hit 1% in March 2008) - Linux is basically static, somewhere between .25 and .5% - Win-NT was less than Linux up until February 2007, when it started to climb 1% per month. I wonder if this is an error and this is really Vista being mis-identified as NT. - XP peaked at 84% in January 2007, and has been declining at 0.5% per month since then. Win-2K has shown a very even decline from 8.5% to 5.5% (about 0.2% decline per month) - Windows ME has stabilized at 0.003% for the past 6-8 months. - Win 3.x and Win-95 are very similar (0.1 to 0.15%) but win-95 has fallen to 0.0025% for the last 4 months . "ssome" wrote: Yea, we know, but... maybe a world wide petition. looks like 30% of users still use win 98 FAT32 is plenty and many of my friends still use DOS apps, i use one dbase for my books. we are not all gamers But you'll get laughed out of court if you demand that the world, particularly applications developers, cater to your anachronistic whims. "Ron Badour" wrote: MS no longer supports W98 and a petition will not change that I'm afraid. Ssome, you've got to realize that people like Gary and Ron earn their living based on continuous change in operating systems driven by the Micro$haft business model. Without OS turnover, we would end up with a stabilization of systems and software, and the need for IT people to tinker and troubleshoot and fix things would slowly go away. So the MVP's here have a vested interest in seeing people and businesses migrate to each new MS OS. |
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I don't know what the numbers there track but they plain and simply make
no sense at all! There is no way that anyone is going to make me beleive that there are more Win 3.x surfing the net than Win95, Win ME and Vista combined! These numbers are bogus, I dare say that there are more Vista machines on the net than Win 3.x machines and I also dare say that there are most likely more Win ME machines than Win 3.x. 1. Windows XP 53496272 (81%) 2. Win 2000 3570762 (5%) 3. Win NT 3085183 (4%) 4. Mac 2621571 (3%) 5. Win 98 1426388 (2%) 6. Unknown 1047210 (1%) 7. Linux 399138 (0%) 8. Win 3.x 81427 (0%) 9. Unix 24958 (0%) 10. Win 95 17490 (0%) 11. WebTV 13251 (0%) 12. OS/2 2755 (0%) 13. Windows ME 1810 (0%) 14. Windows Vista 43 (0%) 15. Amiga 42 (0%) John 98 Guy wrote: "Gary S. Terhune" wrote: You are mistaken. Of internet users, less than 1% use Windows 98. I've seen stats indicating 2% as of July 2007. MUCH less than any other OS that's been out since 98 came out I believe that there were versions of Linux back in 1998, and naturally there was unix, win 3.x and win-98. Win-98 use is currently used more than any of those, not "MUCH less". http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp Which tracks only hits to that web domain. This tracks hits to all domains using this reporting and stats service: http://www.thecounter.com/stats/ I've just plotted all the 15 OS's they track (plotted going back to June 2006). I see a few interesting things: - MAC use jumped from 3% to 4% in Nov/2006 (but in general there is no general trend to the change) - Win-98 use was 5% in June 2006 and is 2% in July 2007 (basically, it's currently dropping at the rate of 1% every 7 months, so it should hit 1% in March 2008) - Linux is basically static, somewhere between .25 and .5% - Win-NT was less than Linux up until February 2007, when it started to climb 1% per month. I wonder if this is an error and this is really Vista being mis-identified as NT. - XP peaked at 84% in January 2007, and has been declining at 0.5% per month since then. Win-2K has shown a very even decline from 8.5% to 5.5% (about 0.2% decline per month) - Windows ME has stabilized at 0.003% for the past 6-8 months. - Win 3.x and Win-95 are very similar (0.1 to 0.15%) but win-95 has fallen to 0.0025% for the last 4 months . "ssome" wrote: Yea, we know, but... maybe a world wide petition. looks like 30% of users still use win 98 FAT32 is plenty and many of my friends still use DOS apps, i use one dbase for my books. we are not all gamers But you'll get laughed out of court if you demand that the world, particularly applications developers, cater to your anachronistic whims. "Ron Badour" wrote: MS no longer supports W98 and a petition will not change that I'm afraid. Ssome, you've got to realize that people like Gary and Ron earn their living based on continuous change in operating systems driven by the Micro$haft business model. Without OS turnover, we would end up with a stabilization of systems and software, and the need for IT people to tinker and troubleshoot and fix things would slowly go away. So the MVP's here have a vested interest in seeing people and businesses migrate to each new MS OS. |
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