A Windows 98 & ME forum. Win98banter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » Win98banter forum » Windows 98 » Software & Applications
Site Map Home Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Daylight Savings Patch



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old February 16th 07, 01:55 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.apps
tom
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 23
Default Daylight Savings Patch

On Feb 15, 10:40 pm, "PCR" wrote:
tom wrote:

| On Feb 14, 7:44 pm, "PCR" wrote:| MEB wrote:

| | "tom" wrote in message
|
| oups.com...
| || Anyone had experience with the patch from:
| ||
| ||http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU
| ||
| || That is:
| ||
| || Q931836.exe
| ||
| || Thanks!
| ||
| || I have a number of 98 systems and I don't want to do them
| || manually if I
| || can avoid it.
| ||
| |
| | That happens to be an update to a TZ "fix" that was discussed in
| | this forum via several threads.
| | To combat, or rather address other potential aspects which may be
| | related [or not] Gary Terhune MVP created [or is
| | modifying/creating] a TZ file for all versions of Windows, with
| | the various issues related to other areas of the world [if I
| | remember correctly].
| |
| |http://www.grystmill.com/articles/tz_update.htm
|
| Subsequently, Terhune agreed with John John in another thread that
| steps (g) though (j) [below] would also have to be done after
| running his .reg, but obviously not steps (a) through (h). Looks
| like the one from...http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU
| ...does it's own (g) through (j), though. Terhune had an objection to
| that one, though, for another reason.
|
| Where are these conversations? I cannot find them when I search the
| news groups.
|
| I did find one where you pointed out that (g) though (j) should be
| run, but no reply from Terhune.

He may be dangling over the edge of a California earthquake & held up
only by by a toe in a Poodle's mouth. However, he DID shout...

...
......Quote...........
Thank you. Forgot to add that info to the instructions.
......EOQ..............
...., when John John brought up the issue.

| I tested the grystmill patch without running steps (g) through (j) and
| it worked. Tested on 98SE by moving the time forward and letting it
| pass through 2 AM on March 11, 2007.

But did you run the mdgx.com patch too? That one WILL auto-update the
other Registry key from what I can determine reading the site...


No, I did not run the mdgx patch.


http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU
......Quote.........
ALL Windows 95, 98 + ME users: at the end of installing this Unofficial
DST update you MUST confirm your Time Zone selection: when you see
Date/Time Properties you MUST click OK!
......EOQ............

| So, when does this (g) through (j) issue apply. I have already
| applied the patch on a number of systems, I need to know if I should
| do the (g) through (j) thing on all systems, some systems, or no
| systems.

If you update the time zone with TZEdit, you must do it. Terhune may be
working on a way to have it done automatically like it seems the other
site does. Until then, you must do it after running his .reg too.

|
| The following is required to do in the USA only...
|
|http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=914387
| How to configure daylight saving time for the United States in 2007
| ......Quote.......
| INTRODUCTION
| Because of the Energy Policy Act, daylight saving time is extended by
| four weeks in 2007. This change starts on the second Sunday of March
| and
| ends on the first Sunday of November.
| ......EOQ.........
|
| The time has come to follow the instructions in that article, or,
| perhaps a bit more clear...
|
| (a) Click TZEDIT.EXE.
| It opens with your time zone selected.
| (b) Click the Edit button.
| (c) Change the Start Day to... Second, Sunday, March.
| (d) Change the Last Day to... First, Sunday, November.
| (e) Click the OK button.
| (f) Click the Close button.
| (g) Click Start, point to Settings, point to Control Panel,
| and then double-click Date/Time.
| (h) Click the Time Zone tab.
| (i) Select a different time zone than (the one you are set at),
| and then click Apply.
| (j) Click (back to the one you were set at), and then click OK.
|
| "Note Steps i and j are required for the new changes to take effect",
| the article says, as does TZEdit's own help screen.
|
| Do so before March 11, 2007. If you cannot get TZEdit.exe from your
| personal copy of the Resource Kit, get it from the above article as
| Candlin saw or
|
from...ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/services/tec.../Win98/Reskit/
CONFIG/...,
| as Laura Fredericks did discover, after likely 1/2 ton of clicking
| (although she denies it).
|
| | --
| | MEB
| |http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/
| | BLOG -http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/PublicNotice or the
| | "real world"
| |http://groups.google.com/group/the-p...=en-discussion
| | group for general aspects of Law verses the Peoples' of the world
| |
| | "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth.
| | Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their
| | business as if nothing had happen." Winston Churchill
| | Or to put it another way:
| | Morpheus can offer you the two pills;
| | but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue
| | one. _______________
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| Should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



  #22  
Old February 16th 07, 03:54 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.apps
John John
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 359
Default Daylight Savings Patch

tom wrote:

On Feb 15, 3:10 pm, John John wrote:


As I understand it, on Windows 98 the information is stored in these 2
registry keys:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Cu rrentVersion\Time Zones

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Cont rol\TimeZoneInformation

The first key contains the database for _ALL_ time zones. The second
key contains the information for the time zone _CURRENTLY_ being used on
the computer. The information in this second key was _COPIED_ from the
database information stored in the first key _WHEN_ the time zone was
set. If the information now is different than when the time zone was
set, the information in the second key has to be refreshed to reflect
the changes made in the first key, if not the time will not change as
expected on the new date.



Well, I applied Gary's patch to a 98SE system, did not do any extra
steps, did not reboot. I set system clock to just before 2AM 3/11/07
and let it tick past 2AM. The time changed.

My test seems to contradict your assertions as applied to 98SE.


A simple explanation for this, when you reset the clock to just before
2AM 3/11/07 you had to click on "Apply" thus reselecting and reapplying
the Time Zone settings and forcing Windows to copy the new TZ
information from the database key to the ControlSet key. That could
easily be confirmed by comparing the contents of the registry key in
question before and after doing the time change. So, simply put, by
using the clock settings function you have indeed reset the key as
instructed by Microsoft, whether you do it via the Control Panel or via
the Toolbar clock is irrelevant, the end result is that you have reset
the Time Zone settings. If instead of changing the time while in
Windows you would have instead changed the time in the BIOS then booted
to Windows your results would have been different. If you deploy (push)
the fix to machines on a network asking users to readjust their clocks
is not, or might not be, a good method to have the changes applied. As
for home users, many will simply apply fixes and not bother or know to
verify that the patch works, most don't even know what dates to use to
check the changes.

John

  #23  
Old February 16th 07, 05:58 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.apps
Gary S. Terhune
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 1,846
Default Daylight Savings Patch

My only complaints with the MDGX patch *were*:

The erroneous naming, suggesting that the patch relates directly to
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=929120 when it does not (KB929120 is not
a full update, only applies to Western Australia. In fact I *think* it's
only a W.A applicable patch to the real TZ patch, and *only* really useful
to WinXP/2K3 users.)

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=928388 *was* the real TZ patch. Both have
now been supplanted by KB931836 (which I shall be checking on.)

Other than that, I simply wished to provide a backup of the old info before
adding the new, and mine *replaces* the entire Key rather than simply
updating the applicable keys, though at first glance, it looks as if the new
one from MDGX does update every key, not just the affected ones. Dunno, need
more time than I have today to cross-check.

Also, the MDGX patch leaves the XP/2K3 naming convention in place for newly
created sub-keys. All such have "Standard Time" added to the name of the
sub-key, whereas in 9x they do not. Example: What is named "Pacific" in 9x
is named "Pacific Standard Time" in XP. This offends my sensibilities, even
if it doesn't actually cause any problems -- and I don't think it does.

Lastly, I wish to provide a REG file for those who are more comfortable with
such things, rather than a self-executing INF file. I also provide an
in-depth discussion of the whole issue, so PCR doesn't have to use one of
his Master Posts. He can just point to my article, bg.

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

"MEB" meb@not wrote in message
...



"PCR" wrote in message
...
| MEB wrote:
| | "tom" wrote in message
| | ups.com...
| || Anyone had experience with the patch from:
| ||
| ||
http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU
| ||
| || That is:
| ||
| || Q931836.exe
| ||
| || Thanks!
| ||
| || I have a number of 98 systems and I don't want to do them manually if
| || I
| || can avoid it.
| ||
| |
| | That happens to be an update to a TZ "fix" that was discussed in
| | this forum via several threads.
| | To combat, or rather address other potential aspects which may be
| | related [or not] Gary Terhune MVP created [or is modifying/creating]
| | a TZ file for all versions of Windows, with the various issues
| | related to other areas of the world [if I remember correctly].
| |
| | http://www.grystmill.com/articles/tz_update.htm
|
| Subsequently, Terhune agreed with John John in another thread that steps
| (g) though (j) [below] would also have to be done after running his
| .reg, but obviously not steps (a) through (h). Looks like the one
| from...
| http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU
| ...does it's own (g) through (j), though. Terhune had an objection to
| that one, though, for another reason.

Debatable though, but we respect Terhune soo..
BG

DANG, I saw cquirke rolled through,,, did he stay to chat or was this the
immaculate desception... grab him quick before he gets away..

|
| The following is required to do in the USA only...
|
| http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=914387
| How to configure daylight saving time for the United States in 2007
| ......Quote.......
| INTRODUCTION
| Because of the Energy Policy Act, daylight saving time is extended by
| four weeks in 2007. This change starts on the second Sunday of March and
| ends on the first Sunday of November.
| ......EOQ.........
|
| The time has come to follow the instructions in that article, or,
| perhaps a bit more clear...
|
| (a) Click TZEDIT.EXE.
| It opens with your time zone selected.
| (b) Click the Edit button.
| (c) Change the Start Day to... Second, Sunday, March.
| (d) Change the Last Day to... First, Sunday, November.
| (e) Click the OK button.
| (f) Click the Close button.
| (g) Click Start, point to Settings, point to Control Panel,
| and then double-click Date/Time.
| (h) Click the Time Zone tab.
| (i) Select a different time zone than (the one you are set at),
| and then click Apply.
| (j) Click (back to the one you were set at), and then click OK.
|
| "Note Steps i and j are required for the new changes to take effect",
| the article says, as does TZEdit's own help screen.
|
| Do so before March 11, 2007. If you cannot get TZEdit.exe from your
| personal copy of the Resource Kit, get it from the above article as
| Candlin saw or from...
|
ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/services/tec...Reskit/CONFIG/...,
| as Laura Fredericks did discover, after likely 1/2 ton of clicking
| (although she denies it).
|
| | --
| | MEB
| | _______________
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| Should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|
|
|

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/
BLOG - http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real
world"
http://groups.google.com/group/the-peoples-law?hl=en - discussion group
for
general aspects of Law verses the Peoples' of the world

"Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth.
Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as
if
nothing had happen." Winston Churchill
Or to put it another way:
Morpheus can offer you the two pills;
but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one.
_______________




  #24  
Old February 16th 07, 06:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.apps
Gary S. Terhune
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 1,846
Default Daylight Savings Patch

The MGDX fix is a self-executing archive that simply contains an INF file
that get's run. Easy to extract that INF file using WinZip, then read it in
PT.

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

"John John" wrote in message
...
MEB wrote:

Okay, to cut the rest, so it seems at present then we should be
recommending
the MDGX fix OR advising the time change requirements after Gary's, i.e.,
to
something else then back again.

So Tom, sorry, apparently I have directed you to the file/fix which
would
require the changing, whereas, the MDGX fix does not require it. Or at
least
that's what we are finding here. I should have directed you there.


I don't know what the MDGX fix consists of, they have not released the
code for their fix so I can't comment on it. Gary's fix is fine but for
the fix to function properly users should be instructed to refresh their
time zone setting in the Control Panel. And here is another one to throw
in the mix:
http://www.intelliadmin.com/blog/200...dst-patch.html
These guys have released the code for their fix.

John



  #25  
Old February 16th 07, 06:05 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.apps
MEB
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 1,050
Default Daylight Savings Patch




"John John" wrote in message
...
| MEB wrote:
|
| Okay, to cut the rest, so it seems at present then we should be
recommending
| the MDGX fix OR advising the time change requirements after Gary's,
i.e., to
| something else then back again.
|
| So Tom, sorry, apparently I have directed you to the file/fix which
would
| require the changing, whereas, the MDGX fix does not require it. Or at
least
| that's what we are finding here. I should have directed you there.
|
| I don't know what the MDGX fix consists of, they have not released the
| code for their fix so I can't comment on it. Gary's fix is fine but for
| the fix to function properly users should be instructed to refresh their
| time zone setting in the Control Panel. And here is another one to
| throw in the mix:
| http://www.intelliadmin.com/blog/200...dst-patch.html
| These guys have released the code for their fix.
|
| John
|

MGDX likely pulled/posted the file from the related forum discussion on
MSFN. Generally they go through/pull apart the creation part within a
discussion related to the files MGDX ends up posting on the site. So if your
really interested in the creation process and/or source, a quick search can
be instructive, as generally found within the related discussion and its
threads.
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?act=idx - MSFN Forums Index

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/
BLOG - http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real
world"
http://groups.google.com/group/the-peoples-law?hl=en - discussion group for
general aspects of Law verses the Peoples' of the world

"Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth.
Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if
nothing had happen." Winston Churchill
Or to put it another way:
Morpheus can offer you the two pills;
but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one.
_______________


  #26  
Old February 16th 07, 08:01 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.apps
PCR
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 4,396
Default Daylight Savings Patch

Bill in Co. wrote:
| PCR wrote:
....snip
| Those are my sentiments too. It's Colorado who first discovered the
| mdgx site, & it's up to him to get bloody with Terhune-- not us!
|
| Well, I'm not waiting - I'm done with it already. I did it months
| ago, and as far as I'm concerned, I'm through, and moving on to more
| pressing things - like using this new "USB 2.0 External Hard Drive
| Enclosure" for a perfect partition copy backup of the boot drive
| (including ALL the directory and file dates!), and, what a joy it is,
| compared to the previous, tedious, procedure, of having to manually
| swap in/out the backup IDE hard drive each time!

I've been meaning to ask about that. Did you need to do a separate
download for the USB 2.0 drivers, or did they come with the device? Did
it install flawlessly & well the first time? Is there any confusion with
drive letters when the thing is turned on/off-- does D:\ change to E:\
for instance? What was the ultimate cost?


  #27  
Old February 16th 07, 08:36 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.apps
PCR
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 4,396
Default Daylight Savings Patch

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
| My only complaints with the MDGX patch *were*:
|
| The erroneous naming, suggesting that the patch relates directly to
| http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=929120 when it does not (KB929120
| is not a full update, only applies to Western Australia. In fact I
| *think* it's only a W.A applicable patch to the real TZ patch, and
| *only* really useful to WinXP/2K3 users.)

That is confusing, though probably most users will likely not care what
article number is mentioned. However, if MDGX doesn't get article
numbers right, perhaps something else more important is also wrong.
OTOH, article numbers that apply to Win98 are hard to come by these
days. Perhaps MDGX is merely trying to indicate that the thing is meant
to solve for Win98 what those articles are solving for XP/whatever.

| http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=928388 *was* the real TZ patch.
| Both have now been supplanted by KB931836 (which I shall be checking
| on.)
|
| Other than that, I simply wished to provide a backup of the old info
| before adding the new, and mine *replaces* the entire Key rather than
| simply updating the applicable keys, though at first glance, it looks
| as if the new one from MDGX does update every key, not just the
| affected ones. Dunno, need more time than I have today to cross-check.

When Colorado first posted that one, I did check it WOULD do for my time
zone just what TZEdit did do, just as yours would. That's all I know,
except the lit at their site stongly implies it does include a
..script/.inf that does that final step, which tom now throws doubt upon
it's necessity. But he hasn't flatly said he didn't run the MDGX one.

By the way here are my keys for my time zone, & I only ran TZEdit & did
the zone switch in Time/Date Properties...

REGEDIT4

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Time
Zones\Eastern]
"Display"="(GMT-05:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada)"
"Dlt"="Eastern Daylight Time"
"Std"="Eastern Standard Time"
"MapID"="38,39"
"TZI"=hex:2c,01,00,00,00,00,00,00,c4,ff,ff,ff,00,0 0,0b,00,00,00,01,00,02
,00,00,\
00,00,00,00,00,00,00,03,00,00,00,02,00,02,00,00,00 ,00,00,00,00

REGEDIT4

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation
]
"ActiveTimeBias"=hex:2c,01,00,00
"StandardName"="Eastern Standard Time"
"DaylightName"="Eastern Daylight Time"
"Bias"=hex:2c,01,00,00
"StandardBias"=hex:00,00,00,00
"DaylightBias"=hex:c4,ff,ff,ff
"StandardStart"=hex:00,00,0b,00,00,00,01,00,02,00, 00,00,00,00,00,00
"DaylightStart"=hex:00,00,03,00,00,00,02,00,02,00, 00,00,00,00,00,00
"DaylightFlag"=hex:01,00,00,00

Too bad I didn't think to check the second one BEFORE doing the
Date/Time Properties switch forth/back!

| Also, the MDGX patch leaves the XP/2K3 naming convention in place for
| newly created sub-keys. All such have "Standard Time" added to the
| name of the sub-key, whereas in 9x they do not. Example: What is
| named "Pacific" in 9x is named "Pacific Standard Time" in XP.

It also appears to be true of my "Eastern", that "Standard Time" isn't
added to it. However, I can't quite recall that anything was added or
not when I looked at the MDGX data. I do recall the zone dates were the
same for me for sure. I don't still have the download to double check.

| This
| offends my sensibilities, even if it doesn't actually cause any
| problems -- and I don't think it does.

Yea.

| Lastly, I wish to provide a REG file for those who are more
| comfortable with such things, rather than a self-executing INF file.
| I also provide an in-depth discussion of the whole issue, so PCR
| doesn't have to use one of his Master Posts. He can just point to my
| article, bg.

It will STILL be a Master Post-- just an unusally short one, is all!

| --
|
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
|
| "MEB" meb@not wrote in message
| ...
|
|
|
| "PCR" wrote in message
| ...
| | MEB wrote:
| | | "tom" wrote in message
| | | ups.com...
| | || Anyone had experience with the patch from:
| | ||
| | ||
http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU
| | ||
| | || That is:
| | ||
| | || Q931836.exe
| | ||
| | || Thanks!
| | ||
| | || I have a number of 98 systems and I don't want to do them
| | || manually if I
| | || can avoid it.
| | ||
| | |
| | | That happens to be an update to a TZ "fix" that was discussed in
| | | this forum via several threads.
| | | To combat, or rather address other potential aspects which may
| | | be related [or not] Gary Terhune MVP created [or is
| | | modifying/creating] a TZ file for all versions of Windows, with
| | | the various issues related to other areas of the world [if I
| | | remember correctly].
| | |
| | | http://www.grystmill.com/articles/tz_update.htm
| |
| | Subsequently, Terhune agreed with John John in another thread that
| | steps (g) though (j) [below] would also have to be done after
| | running his .reg, but obviously not steps (a) through (h). Looks
| | like the one from...
| | http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU
| | ...does it's own (g) through (j), though. Terhune had an objection
| | to that one, though, for another reason.
|
| Debatable though, but we respect Terhune soo..
| BG
|
| DANG, I saw cquirke rolled through,,, did he stay to chat or was
| this the immaculate desception... grab him quick before he gets
| away..
|
| |
| | The following is required to do in the USA only...
| |
| | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=914387
| | How to configure daylight saving time for the United States in 2007
| | ......Quote.......
| | INTRODUCTION
| | Because of the Energy Policy Act, daylight saving time is extended
| | by four weeks in 2007. This change starts on the second Sunday of
| | March and ends on the first Sunday of November.
| | ......EOQ.........
| |
| | The time has come to follow the instructions in that article, or,
| | perhaps a bit more clear...
| |
| | (a) Click TZEDIT.EXE.
| | It opens with your time zone selected.
| | (b) Click the Edit button.
| | (c) Change the Start Day to... Second, Sunday, March.
| | (d) Change the Last Day to... First, Sunday, November.
| | (e) Click the OK button.
| | (f) Click the Close button.
| | (g) Click Start, point to Settings, point to Control Panel,
| | and then double-click Date/Time.
| | (h) Click the Time Zone tab.
| | (i) Select a different time zone than (the one you are set at),
| | and then click Apply.
| | (j) Click (back to the one you were set at), and then click OK.
| |
| | "Note Steps i and j are required for the new changes to take
| | effect", the article says, as does TZEdit's own help screen.
| |
| | Do so before March 11, 2007. If you cannot get TZEdit.exe from your
| | personal copy of the Resource Kit, get it from the above article as
| | Candlin saw or from...
| |
|
ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/services/tec...Reskit/CONFIG/...,
| | as Laura Fredericks did discover, after likely 1/2 ton of clicking
| | (although she denies it).
| |
| | | --
| | | MEB
| | | _______________
| |
| | --
| | Thanks or Good Luck,
| | There may be humor in this post, and,
| | Naturally, you will not sue,
| | Should things get worse after this,
| | PCR
| |
| |
| |
|
| --
| MEB
|
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/
| BLOG - http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the
| "real world"
| http://groups.google.com/group/the-peoples-law?hl=en - discussion
| group for
| general aspects of Law verses the Peoples' of the world
|
| "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth.
| Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their
| business as if
| nothing had happen." Winston Churchill
| Or to put it another way:
| Morpheus can offer you the two pills;
| but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue
| one. _______________

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



  #28  
Old February 16th 07, 08:49 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.apps
PCR
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 4,396
Default Daylight Savings Patch

tom wrote:
| On Feb 15, 10:40 pm, "PCR" wrote:
| tom wrote:
|
| | On Feb 14, 7:44 pm, "PCR" wrote:| MEB wrote:
|
| | | "tom" wrote in message
| |
| | oups.com...
| | || Anyone had experience with the patch from:
| | ||
| | ||http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU
| | ||
| | || That is:
| | ||
| | || Q931836.exe
| | ||
| | || Thanks!
| | ||
| | || I have a number of 98 systems and I don't want to do them
| | || manually if I
| | || can avoid it.
| | ||
| | |
| | | That happens to be an update to a TZ "fix" that was discussed
| | | in this forum via several threads.
| | | To combat, or rather address other potential aspects which may
| | | be related [or not] Gary Terhune MVP created [or is
| | | modifying/creating] a TZ file for all versions of Windows, with
| | | the various issues related to other areas of the world [if I
| | | remember correctly].
| | |
| | |http://www.grystmill.com/articles/tz_update.htm
| |
| | Subsequently, Terhune agreed with John John in another thread that
| | steps (g) though (j) [below] would also have to be done after
| | running his .reg, but obviously not steps (a) through (h). Looks
| | like the one from...http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU
| | ...does it's own (g) through (j), though. Terhune had an
| | objection to that one, though, for another reason.
| |
| | Where are these conversations? I cannot find them when I search
| | the news groups.
| |
| | I did find one where you pointed out that (g) though (j) should be
| | run, but no reply from Terhune.
|
| He may be dangling over the edge of a California earthquake & held up
| only by by a toe in a Poodle's mouth. However, he DID shout...
|
| ...
| ......Quote...........
| Thank you. Forgot to add that info to the instructions.
| ......EOQ..............
| ...., when John John brought up the issue.
|
| | I tested the grystmill patch without running steps (g) through (j)
| | and it worked. Tested on 98SE by moving the time forward and
| | letting it pass through 2 AM on March 11, 2007.
|
| But did you run the mdgx.com patch too? That one WILL auto-update the
| other Registry key from what I can determine reading the site...
|
| No, I did not run the mdgx patch.

That's interesting! I see Terhune has stated he will test the issue. Can
you post the contents of your two keys. Here are mine for "Eastern"...

REGEDIT4

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Time
Zones\Eastern]
"Display"="(GMT-05:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada)"
"Dlt"="Eastern Daylight Time"
"Std"="Eastern Standard Time"
"MapID"="38,39"
"TZI"=hex:2c,01,00,00,00,00,00,00,c4,ff,ff,ff,00,0 0,0b,00,00,00,01,00,02
,00,00,\
00,00,00,00,00,00,00,03,00,00,00,02,00,02,00,00,00 ,00,00,00,00

REGEDIT4

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation
]
"ActiveTimeBias"=hex:2c,01,00,00
"StandardName"="Eastern Standard Time"
"DaylightName"="Eastern Daylight Time"
"Bias"=hex:2c,01,00,00
"StandardBias"=hex:00,00,00,00
"DaylightBias"=hex:c4,ff,ff,ff
"StandardStart"=hex:00,00,0b,00,00,00,01,00,02,00, 00,00,00,00,00,00
"DaylightStart"=hex:00,00,03,00,00,00,02,00,02,00, 00,00,00,00,00,00
"DaylightFlag"=hex:01,00,00,00

Too bad I didn't think to check the second one BEFORE doing the
Date/Time Properties switch forth/back!

Do you see how these correspond to each other? It's possible the second
has an important use other than allowing the time change to occur on the
appropriate date. I wonder too whether something else could have done
the time change for you when you pushed ahead-- something like NistTime,
for instance? Were you online when you did it?



  #29  
Old February 16th 07, 08:57 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.apps
PCR
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 4,396
Default Daylight Savings Patch

John John wrote:
| tom wrote:
|
| On Feb 15, 3:10 pm, John John wrote:
|
|As I understand it, on Windows 98 the information is stored in these
|2 registry keys:
|
|HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\C urrentVersion\Time
|Zones
|
|HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Con trol\TimeZoneInformati
on
|
|The first key contains the database for _ALL_ time zones. The second
|key contains the information for the time zone _CURRENTLY_ being
|used on the computer. The information in this second key was
|_COPIED_ from the database information stored in the first key
|_WHEN_ the time zone was set. If the information now is different
|than when the time zone was set, the information in the second key
|has to be refreshed to reflect the changes made in the first key, if
|not the time will not change as expected on the new date.
|
|
| Well, I applied Gary's patch to a 98SE system, did not do any extra
| steps, did not reboot. I set system clock to just before 2AM 3/11/07
| and let it tick past 2AM. The time changed.
|
| My test seems to contradict your assertions as applied to 98SE.
|
| A simple explanation for this, when you reset the clock to just before
| 2AM 3/11/07 you had to click on "Apply" thus reselecting and
| reapplying the Time Zone settings and forcing Windows to copy the new
| TZ information from the database key to the ControlSet key.

That seems to be a likely explanation, yea. (Sheesh, I was thinking
maybe something else did it like one of those online clocks like
NistTime!)

| That
| could easily be confirmed by comparing the contents of the registry
| key in question before and after doing the time change. So, simply
| put, by using the clock settings function you have indeed reset the
| key as instructed by Microsoft, whether you do it via the Control
| Panel or via the Toolbar clock is irrelevant, the end result is that
| you have reset the Time Zone settings. If instead of changing the
| time while in Windows you would have instead changed the time in the
| BIOS then booted to Windows your results would have been different.
| If you deploy (push) the fix to machines on a network asking users to
| readjust their clocks is not, or might not be, a good method to have
| the changes applied. As for home users, many will simply apply fixes
| and not bother or know to verify that the patch works, most don't
| even know what dates to use to check the changes.
|
| John

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



  #30  
Old February 16th 07, 10:10 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.apps
tom
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 23
Default Daylight Savings Patch

On Feb 16, 2:49 pm, "PCR" wrote:
tom wrote:

| On Feb 15, 10:40 pm, "PCR" wrote:| tom wrote:

|
| | On Feb 14, 7:44 pm, "PCR" wrote:| MEB wrote:
|
| | | "tom" wrote in message
| |
| | oups.com...
| | || Anyone had experience with the patch from:
| | ||
| | ||http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU
| | ||
| | || That is:
| | ||
| | || Q931836.exe
| | ||
| | || Thanks!
| | ||
| | || I have a number of 98 systems and I don't want to do them
| | || manually if I
| | || can avoid it.
| | ||
| | |
| | | That happens to be an update to a TZ "fix" that was discussed
| | | in this forum via several threads.
| | | To combat, or rather address other potential aspects which may
| | | be related [or not] Gary Terhune MVP created [or is
| | | modifying/creating] a TZ file for all versions of Windows, with
| | | the various issues related to other areas of the world [if I
| | | remember correctly].
| | |
| | |http://www.grystmill.com/articles/tz_update.htm
| |
| | Subsequently, Terhune agreed with John John in another thread that
| | steps (g) though (j) [below] would also have to be done after
| | running his .reg, but obviously not steps (a) through (h). Looks
| | like the one from...http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#TZU
| | ...does it's own (g) through (j), though. Terhune had an
| | objection to that one, though, for another reason.
| |
| | Where are these conversations? I cannot find them when I search
| | the news groups.
| |
| | I did find one where you pointed out that (g) though (j) should be
| | run, but no reply from Terhune.
|
| He may be dangling over the edge of a California earthquake & held up
| only by by a toe in a Poodle's mouth. However, he DID shout...
|
...
| ......Quote...........
| Thank you. Forgot to add that info to the instructions.
| ......EOQ..............
| ...., when John John brought up the issue.
|
| | I tested the grystmill patch without running steps (g) through (j)
| | and it worked. Tested on 98SE by moving the time forward and
| | letting it pass through 2 AM on March 11, 2007.
|
| But did you run the mdgx.com patch too? That one WILL auto-update the
| other Registry key from what I can determine reading the site...
|
| No, I did not run the mdgx patch.

That's interesting! I see Terhune has stated he will test the issue. Can
you post the contents of your two keys. Here are mine for "Eastern"...

REGEDIT4

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Time
Zones\Eastern]
"Display"="(GMT-05:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada)"
"Dlt"="Eastern Daylight Time"
"Std"="Eastern Standard Time"
"MapID"="38,39"
"TZI"=hex:2c,01,00,00,00,00,00,00,c4,ff,ff,ff,00,0 0,0b,00,00,00,01,00,02
,00,00,\
00,00,00,00,00,00,00,03,00,00,00,02,00,02,00,00,00 ,00,00,00,00

REGEDIT4

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\TimeZoneInformation
]
"ActiveTimeBias"=hex:2c,01,00,00
"StandardName"="Eastern Standard Time"
"DaylightName"="Eastern Daylight Time"
"Bias"=hex:2c,01,00,00
"StandardBias"=hex:00,00,00,00
"DaylightBias"=hex:c4,ff,ff,ff
"StandardStart"=hex:00,00,0b,00,00,00,01,00,02,00, 00,00,00,00,00,00
"DaylightStart"=hex:00,00,03,00,00,00,02,00,02,00, 00,00,00,00,00,00
"DaylightFlag"=hex:01,00,00,00

Too bad I didn't think to check the second one BEFORE doing the
Date/Time Properties switch forth/back!

Do you see how these correspond to each other? It's possible the second
has an important use other than allowing the time change to occur on the
appropriate date. I wonder too whether something else could have done
the time change for you when you pushed ahead-- something like NistTime,
for instance? Were you online when you did it?


I will be happy to check them, but how do I do it? I have never used
regedit or anything like
that (or I don't recall ever doing it) I am not exactly a Windows
guru.

 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Daylight Savings Patch tom General 114 March 19th 07 11:11 PM
Unofficial Time Zones Update (Testers wanted) Gary S. Terhune General 70 February 24th 07 07:29 PM
Win98 Daylight Savings Time Manual Update Required-- reminder 1 PCR General 88 December 14th 06 10:32 PM
Reg patch for U.S. Daylight Saving Time changes? Laura Fredericks General 84 December 9th 06 08:46 PM
Win98 Daylight Savings Time Manual Update Required PCR General 3 November 26th 06 11:21 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 08:32 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 Win98banter.
The comments are property of their posters.