Just Tested Opera 10.50

thanatoid wrote in
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Opera User wrote in
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I want it to provide the user functionality that it always
has, since Opera 4.

Unfortunately, with so many functions broken since Opera 9.27
and no apparent interest by Opera in fixing them, black
background color schemes, cache file extensions, the ability
to disable java separately from javascript, it doesn't do
that.

I've seen a lot of complaints about the latest versions of
Opera. It's the best browser but sometimes I wonder if they
drink too much or something. The interface changes all the time,
options differ with ever minor update, etc. A little insane -
still, the best...

Except...

This is even better:

http://opera-usb.com/download.htm

There is a version 9.64 - I was lucky enough to DL ver 10 a
while ago and it ROCKS.
No install - just unzip. Runs like a dream. Of course, took a
while to get rid of some of the annoyances - but still, the best
(although nowhere near as fast as OffByOne ;-) .

There /is/ a 10.50 USB - it MAY run better than the standard
10.50.

I never tried the "original/full" Operas and had used 7.23
(IIRC) for years. But the constant flash problems were very
annoying. OperaUSB ver 10 fixed EVERYTHING.

Anyway... Might want to try the 8.64 OR the 10.50 USB versions.
May be better.

FWIW, my ver 10.00, build 1750 does have enable Java and
javascript separately. No idea about 10.50 OR 9.64.

I am DONE with ****ing around with kmeleons and foxes and other
crap.

Opera and OB1.

HTH, although not the /best/-written post...

If these versions don't do it for you I can upload USB10.00 to
some file sharing site.

(WHY don't people provide ALL old versions for ALL software?)

Older is almost always better. I've read posts from people who
/still/ use Opera 5.12.



Interesting stuff. I found this post, looking for OperaUSB because I'd tried
the latest (v11 as I write this) and it obviously isn't W98 compatible, it
demanded I update to a newer version of Windows. That means they changed to a
newer compiler, or just decided to deliberately not support W98. Those two
older versions do run though. Too soon to know if I'll like them, v10.63 and
v9.64 look so different at first showing that they look like diverging
variants of an idea, rather than a progression of versions seen in most
software. But they run, and FireFox has irritated me too often, and I have at
least found some proper alternative now.

If there IS an archive of older ones, can I have linkage to try? Seems to me
that it is true that a clear vision leads to actions that work so long as the
vision is clearly set out, then goes wrong when original interpretations get
lost and new actions go agley. A tad bit like 'mission creep' in Libya...

Browsers are like porridge, too minimal or too much. But there might be an
Opera that is right for me, just maybe... OffByOne is interesting too, I used
it on a small PDA (And Opera too) when I could still see the small screen
details. OB1 might be too minimal though.

Whatever it is, it must keep all its configs and etceteras in ONE location,
the rambling habits of IE and FireFox make them totally unmanagable if they
break, and hard to migrate between systems even if they don't.

thanatoid wrote in
:

ever used. If they did a survey of the worst software
people have ever used, Opera would be at the top of my
list.

Well, for most "literate" internet users, IE would be. FWIW,
Nero CD/DVD burning software is at the top for me (I find its
design simply demented and infuriating).

Ditto that. I found it after Easy CD Creator (or some such name), migrated
through CDRwin, and the GoldenHawk DOS tools (awesome, in their way), then
discovered UltraISO. I stopped right there. I haven't needed to look beyond
that one, and I doubt I ever will. The guy who wrote that just somehow got a
clear vision, got it right, and never lost the plot.

What's amazing is that GoldenHawk stopped listening, and pretty much ground
to a halt. I think the guy who wrote UltraISO seemed to know exactly what
people were likely asking of GoldenHawk without knowing what they said,
because the program seems to think of everything without blinding me with it.

Opera seems a tad dazzling, but it does look like I can make it minimal if I
want to. I want most of the screen space for the displayed page.

One question about Opera: does it tend to stay compatible with any modules
made for it? It won't be very future-proof if (like Foobar2000) each time a
new version is made, it quits being compatible with every version of every
previous plugin or extension made for it. This might be important because an
older version might have security patches applied in some extension, perhaps.

thanatoid wrote in
:

Hound or Cow will eventually DL everything. And there are
others, including /entire/ web site dl'rs/copiers.


WGET. Ruthless!

Lostgallifreyan wrote in
:

thanatoid wrote in
:

Opera User wrote in
:

I want it to provide the user functionality that it
always has, since Opera 4.

Unfortunately, with so many functions broken since Opera
9.27 and no apparent interest by Opera in fixing them,
black background color schemes, cache file extensions,
the ability to disable java separately from javascript,
it doesn't do that.

I've seen a lot of complaints about the latest versions of
Opera. It's the best browser but sometimes I wonder if
they drink too much or something. The interface changes
all the time, options differ with ever minor update, etc.
A little insane - still, the best...

Except...

This is even better:

http://opera-usb.com/download.htm

There is a version 9.64 - I was lucky enough to DL ver 10
a while ago and it ROCKS.
No install - just unzip. Runs like a dream. Of course,
took a while to get rid of some of the annoyances - but
still, the best (although nowhere near as fast as OffByOne
;-) .

There /is/ a 10.50 USB - it MAY run better than the
standard 10.50.

I never tried the "original/full" Operas and had used 7.23
(IIRC) for years. But the constant flash problems were
very annoying. OperaUSB ver 10 fixed EVERYTHING.

Anyway... Might want to try the 8.64 OR the 10.50 USB
versions. May be better.

FWIW, my ver 10.00, build 1750 does have enable Java and
javascript separately. No idea about 10.50 OR 9.64.

I am DONE with ****ing around with kmeleons and foxes and
other crap.

Opera and OB1.

HTH, although not the /best/-written post...

If these versions don't do it for you I can upload
USB10.00 to some file sharing site.

(WHY don't people provide ALL old versions for ALL
software?)

Older is almost always better. I've read posts from people
who /still/ use Opera 5.12.



Interesting stuff. I found this post, looking for OperaUSB
because I'd tried the latest (v11 as I write this) and it
obviously isn't W98 compatible, it demanded I update to a
newer version of Windows. That means they changed to a
newer compiler, or just decided to deliberately not support
W98. Those two older versions do run though. Too soon to
know if I'll like them, v10.63 and v9.64 look so different
at first showing that they look like diverging variants of
an idea, rather than a progression of versions seen in most
software.

The weirdest thing about OPera is that every new release DOES
look completely different. The nine window "instant start" or
whatever they call it drove me crazy, but it can be disposed of.
Opera it TOTALLY configurable and it IS the best browser.

But they run, and FireFox has irritated me too
often, and I have at least found some proper alternative
now.

FFox is incredibly overrated.

If there IS an archive of older ones, can I have linkage to
try? Seems to me that it is true that a clear vision leads
to actions that work so long as the vision is clearly set
out, then goes wrong when original interpretations get lost
and new actions go agley. A tad bit like 'mission creep' in
Libya...

Browsers are like porridge, too minimal or too much. But
there might be an Opera that is right for me, just maybe...
OffByOne is interesting too, I used it on a small PDA (And
Opera too) when I could still see the small screen details.
OB1 might be too minimal though.

Whatever it is, it must keep all its configs and etceteras
in ONE location, the rambling habits of IE and FireFox make
them totally unmanagable if they break, and hard to migrate
between systems even if they don't.

You can get standard Opera releases on www.oldversion.com, I am
not aware of any repository for the "USB" versions. Regular
Opera 10 might work just as well, for some reason I tried 10USB
and it ran so well I stuck with it. I am aware post-10 releases
don't run on 98. I ran 7.23 until 10USB came out and I never had
any problems (except with Flash, but that's really a blessing in
disguise).

All Opera custom stuff is kept in the 'profile' subdir. I wrote
a pathetically simple (although long) batch file which moves (or
copies) to a "backup" dir. on another partition all the stuff I
want to keep and deletes what is trash after every online
session.

OB1 does everything in memory so there is nothing to delete
except one hpsw.cki cookies file in the program's directory.

The main advantage of OB1 (besides its speed and safety) is that
it does not force you to look at this century's most prevalent
art form, "web design". It just gives you the content. I use it
for everything that does NOT force flash or javascript on you.
With a little work, you can even do some javascript pages with
it. (Look at the code and copy and paste to get what you need.)

I HATE sites which are flash-only and do not even offer the
option of skipping the intro, the work of the pimply genius they
hired. **** them.

Lostgallifreyan wrote in
:

thanatoid wrote in
:

ever used. If they did a survey of the worst software
people have ever used, Opera would be at the top of my
list.

Well, for most "literate" internet users, IE would be.
FWIW, Nero CD/DVD burning software is at the top for me (I
find its design simply demented and infuriating).

Ditto that. I found it after Easy CD Creator (or some such
name), migrated through CDRwin, and the GoldenHawk DOS
tools (awesome, in their way), then discovered UltraISO. I
stopped right there. I haven't needed to look beyond that
one, and I doubt I ever will. The guy who wrote that just
somehow got a clear vision, got it right, and never lost
the plot.

I still use GoldenHawk 4.0C from 2006.

If I ever get another cd/dvd burner, I'll start using imageburn
since GH unfortunately charges a full price just to get a newer
version which recognizes the new hardware. I've paid for it
twice already, that's enough.

What's amazing is that GoldenHawk stopped listening, and
pretty much ground to a halt. I think the guy who wrote
UltraISO seemed to know exactly what people were likely
asking of GoldenHawk without knowing what they said,
because the program seems to think of everything without
blinding me with it.

I 've read imageburn combines the best of goldenhawk and
ultraISO. And it's free.

Opera seems a tad dazzling, but it does look like I can
make it minimal if I want to. I want most of the screen
space for the displayed page.

F11 is fullscreen mode.
/Everything/ can be configured, although it WILL take time. I
have a "no images", "no flash" and "no javascript" right on my
toolbar.

One question about Opera: does it tend to stay compatible
with any modules made for it?

I don't really know what that means. I have a great firewall and
ESET32 and ScriptSentry running all the time. And I have an
image of C, so I am not terribly worried.

It won't be very future-proof
if (like Foobar2000) each time a new version is made, it
quits being compatible with every version of every previous
plugin or extension made for it. This might be important
because an older version might have security patches
applied in some extension, perhaps.

Lostgallifreyan wrote:
thanatoid wrote in
:

ever used. If they did a survey of the worst software
people have ever used, Opera would be at the top of my
list.

Well, for most "literate" internet users, IE would be. FWIW,
Nero CD/DVD burning software is at the top for me (I find its
design simply demented and infuriating).

I, for one, still prefer IE to Firefox - and Opera. But then again, I grew
up with all the versions of IE (starting with IE2, which was pretty
pathetic). Firefox is a bit slow in loading, at least the first time, and
besides I'm more used to the IE interface, which unfortunately became less
customizable with succeeding versions (IE7 and IE8).

I've got various other browsers on here, but IE is my mainstay. And OE and
OE-QuoteFix (for newsgroups and email) is conveniently built right in - that
integrated combo works great for me. I have no use for Outlook, so that
one's out.

As for Nero, it was good in the early days (i.e., version 6, or earlier),
but like most software, got bloated, and went downhill.

Ditto that. I found it after Easy CD Creator (or some such name), migrated
through CDRwin, and the GoldenHawk DOS tools (awesome, in their way), then
discovered UltraISO. I stopped right there. I haven't needed to look
beyond
that one, and I doubt I ever will. The guy who wrote that just somehow got
a
clear vision, got it right, and never lost the plot.

Easy CD Creator 5 works great, too. :-)
And ditto on the older versions of MusicMatch, for that matter. And a host
of other older apps. :-)

In message ,
Lostgallifreyan writes:
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(WHY don't people provide ALL old versions for ALL software?)

Indeed! (Netscape used to.)
[]
If there IS an archive of older ones, can I have linkage to try? Seems to me

http://www.oldversion.com/Opera.html has lots, the latest being 9.01.
(They're at the bottom of the page.) Oldversion is a good site (not to
be confused with oldversions with an s).
[]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I was court-martialled in my absence, and sentenced to death in my absence, so
I
said they could shoot me in my absence. -Brendan Francis Behan, playwright
(1923-1964)

In message , Bill in Co
writes:
Lostgallifreyan wrote:
thanatoid wrote in
:

ever used. If they did a survey of the worst software
people have ever used, Opera would be at the top of my
list.

Well, for most "literate" internet users, IE would be. FWIW,
Nero CD/DVD burning software is at the top for me (I find its
design simply demented and infuriating).

I, for one, still prefer IE to Firefox - and Opera. But then again, I grew
up with all the versions of IE (starting with IE2, which was pretty
pathetic). Firefox is a bit slow in loading, at least the first time, and

Actually, I think it's similar to IE, but of course IE's load wait
occurs as part of the general system boot delay, so you don't notice it.

besides I'm more used to the IE interface, which unfortunately became less
customizable with succeeding versions (IE7 and IE8).

I've got various other browsers on here, but IE is my mainstay. And OE and
OE-QuoteFix (for newsgroups and email) is conveniently built right in - that
integrated combo works great for me. I have no use for Outlook, so that
one's out.

Agreed, OE is a lot less bad than it's often painted (though needs OEQ).
V6 is worth upgrading to, though (I forget why).
[]
Easy CD Creator 5 works great, too. :-)

Apart from its infuriating requirement to have an extra driver for more
or less any drive you throw at it - which the other burners like
Burn4Free don't!

And ditto on the older versions of MusicMatch, for that matter. And a host
of other older apps. :-)


(As I've already posted, oldversion is good. As is LastFreeVersion or
whatever it's called [the one with 123 in the URL somewhere].)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I was court-martialled in my absence, and sentenced to death in my absence, so
I
said they could shoot me in my absence. -Brendan Francis Behan, playwright
(1923-1964)

thanatoid wrote in
:

I 've read imageburn combines the best of goldenhawk and
ultraISO. And it's free.


I think I looked at it once, but I still didn't regret buying UltraISO.
GoldenHawk's charges were what put me off going that way. I was ready to but
it never felt right, I kept holding out waiting till they either updated the
program to support the drive I chose to use, (which they wouldn't, so no
doubt I'd have got charged twice, and likely within weeks!), or found someone
who wasn't going to hold me to a ransom and likely never support the drive
anyway. I mean, if they'd had any plans to, they'd have just done it. They
didn't. UltraISO did without me having to ask. Got to respect that. So I paid
up.

GoldenHawk's DOS tools might still be indispensible some time. Those were by
far the easiest way to make a CD. Instead of the usual GUI-driven nightmare,
it was like saying "Burn this", and it made it so. Nothing was ever more
direct, it was like a DOS file copy.

thanatoid wrote in
:

One question about Opera: does it tend to stay compatible
with any modules made for it?

I don't really know what that means. I have a great firewall and
ESET32 and ScriptSentry running all the time. And I have an
image of C, so I am not terribly worried.


Nor me, Ghost, etc, registry locks, LnS firewall, hardware router, and even a
copy of the boot sector when I remember to do that after setting up a
drive...

I was just thinking that it would be neat if that kind of modularity existed.
Like audio hardware, some things stay the same no matter how complex some of
it gets inside. If it didn't it would be hard to use. You can plug the latest
digital filters into the tape return loop on a 1970's Leak amplifier. No
idiot would tell us to upgrade when we do that. They'd see it for the neat
idea it obviously is if you happen to like that amp.