Windows refuses to shutdown or restart / W98se shutdown problem - RESOLVED

Windows refuses to shutdown or restart - encapsulated - RESOLVED
W98se Shutdown Problem - RESOLVED

in reference to threads:



Posted as a new Post because this *Solved* post has been placed at the very
bottom of each of the aforementioned threads.

This has been resolved thanks to the kind and untiring efforts of Noel Paton
(MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) who stuck with me throughout this thread and
issue. A number of others who are known to me also paid a brief (or not so
brief visit, and you know who you are PCR. s)
Since I've used so much bandwidth here I might as well try to explain for
the possible benefit of others who may find themselves facing a similar
problem with the same Monitor and USB 1.1

Summary: If you have Win98se with USB 1.1 and this Dell 1907FP Flat Panel
Monitor, *Do Not* connect the USB 2.0 Upstream port on the monitor to the
Computers USB 1.1 Port.
The setup instructs one to connect the USB cable between PC and Monitor and
makes no statement anywhere that it is ancillary and not needed for
operation of the monitor. I suspect that this will continue to be the case
as W98se will become more and more "ignored" now that it is a documented
*unsupported OS*

The root cause (which may also be spiced up with a little of my own ignorant
stupidity) appeared to be related to a faulty Device related to the USB
Controllers. But actually more specifically related to one of two things
with this new Dell 1970FP Monitor (Flat Panel LCD Display).

For more details, read onward, otherwise, the basic short summary above
serves to shed light on the cause, effect.and solution.

My W98se is installed in a very late model of an Optiplex GX240 PC. As I
understand it, W98se supports USB 2.0, but as it comes, the hardware
installed in it is only USB 1.1

This Flat Panel monitor *may or may not be supported by W98se*. It is now
fairly well established that the driver supplied for it on the "Install Disk
" is NOT W98se supported, but is solely for WinXP and WinXP x 64 (64 bit).
It *may possibly* be supported by W2k as well, but in fact, Dell's available
documentation contradicts itself. If someone desires evidence of this, juts
look about their website in the downloads area. Enter the model number of
your Dell enter your OS platform go to the Drivers/Downloads Display.
The info which is from the Readme and INF file for the Driver from the CD if
anyone wishes to see that will be found in this thread:


Be that as it may, that is not the actual problem, as in fact, the Monitor
does work. It may or may not be working at an optimum level (unknown by me;
never had one of these FP LCD Monitors before) and it does display some
"unfamiliar characteristics" and slightly disturbing graphical features.

Now, the one crux of the issue is this: This monitor is supplied with an
input connection for USB. From the monitor are 5 USB outputs.
The Monitor is able to only manage 2.0 USB and not 1.1 USB. It matters not
if a secondary device is attached to the Monitors USB 2.0 output. The
Computer Operating System will hang at Shutdown or Restart.

There is no documentation elsewhere - that I've seen - which mentions or
addresses this issue. Dell had not once during my many discussions with them
made any mention of the USB connector; to make certain it wasn't connected.

Once again, I'd like to offer my sincere thanks to all those who came to my
aid during this most vexing of problems. :-)

I hope this will be of some help to any person who might be faced with a
similar condition. Cheers.

--

LuckyStrike

How to make a good newsgroup post:
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
------------------------------------------------------------

In light of this, you are released from my directive to install the monitor's drivers. Glad all is well with it. And don't worry about Plug & Play detection, either.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"LuckyStrike" om wrote in message ...
| Windows refuses to shutdown or restart - encapsulated - RESOLVED
| W98se Shutdown Problem - RESOLVED
|
| in reference to threads:
|
|
|
| Posted as a new Post because this *Solved* post has been placed at the very
| bottom of each of the aforementioned threads.
|
| This has been resolved thanks to the kind and untiring efforts of Noel Paton
| (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) who stuck with me throughout this thread and
| issue. A number of others who are known to me also paid a brief (or not so
| brief visit, and you know who you are PCR. s)
| Since I've used so much bandwidth here I might as well try to explain for
| the possible benefit of others who may find themselves facing a similar
| problem with the same Monitor and USB 1.1
|
| Summary: If you have Win98se with USB 1.1 and this Dell 1907FP Flat Panel
| Monitor, *Do Not* connect the USB 2.0 Upstream port on the monitor to the
| Computers USB 1.1 Port.
| The setup instructs one to connect the USB cable between PC and Monitor and
| makes no statement anywhere that it is ancillary and not needed for
| operation of the monitor. I suspect that this will continue to be the case
| as W98se will become more and more "ignored" now that it is a documented
| *unsupported OS*
|
| The root cause (which may also be spiced up with a little of my own ignorant
| stupidity) appeared to be related to a faulty Device related to the USB
| Controllers. But actually more specifically related to one of two things
| with this new Dell 1970FP Monitor (Flat Panel LCD Display).
|
| For more details, read onward, otherwise, the basic short summary above
| serves to shed light on the cause, effect.and solution.
|
| My W98se is installed in a very late model of an Optiplex GX240 PC. As I
| understand it, W98se supports USB 2.0, but as it comes, the hardware
| installed in it is only USB 1.1
|
| This Flat Panel monitor *may or may not be supported by W98se*. It is now
| fairly well established that the driver supplied for it on the "Install Disk
| " is NOT W98se supported, but is solely for WinXP and WinXP x 64 (64 bit).
| It *may possibly* be supported by W2k as well, but in fact, Dell's available
| documentation contradicts itself. If someone desires evidence of this, juts
| look about their website in the downloads area. Enter the model number of
| your Dell enter your OS platform go to the Drivers/Downloads Display.
| The info which is from the Readme and INF file for the Driver from the CD if
| anyone wishes to see that will be found in this thread:
|
|
| Be that as it may, that is not the actual problem, as in fact, the Monitor
| does work. It may or may not be working at an optimum level (unknown by me;
| never had one of these FP LCD Monitors before) and it does display some
| "unfamiliar characteristics" and slightly disturbing graphical features.
|
| Now, the one crux of the issue is this: This monitor is supplied with an
| input connection for USB. From the monitor are 5 USB outputs.
| The Monitor is able to only manage 2.0 USB and not 1.1 USB. It matters not
| if a secondary device is attached to the Monitors USB 2.0 output. The
| Computer Operating System will hang at Shutdown or Restart.
|
| There is no documentation elsewhere - that I've seen - which mentions or
| addresses this issue. Dell had not once during my many discussions with them
| made any mention of the USB connector; to make certain it wasn't connected.
|
| Once again, I'd like to offer my sincere thanks to all those who came to my
| aid during this most vexing of problems. :-)
|
| I hope this will be of some help to any person who might be faced with a
| similar condition. Cheers.
|
| --
|
| LuckyStrike
|
| How to make a good newsgroup post:
| http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
| ------------------------------------------------------------
|
|

Just on a point of fact....
Windows 98SE supports USB1.1 out-of-the-box, but needs additional drivers to
be able to support USB2.0

The INF file shows no such drivers for the monitor's USB hub (for that it
what it is - hopefully a powered one!), and it may be that WIn98 just took
it for a USB1.1 hub (which it had every right to expect would work - USB2 is
designed explicitly to be backward-compatible!), but that some error in
manufacture and/or design meant that it wasn't fully compatible. This should
have been visible in Device Manager, if both had been right!

Whatever - looks like you've got yourself a nice monitor which will be
suitable for you when you eventually upgrade to XP, LS!! vbeg,,, and we
both learned a few things along the way


Enjoy your shutdowns!

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
"LuckyStrike" om wrote in
message ...
Windows refuses to shutdown or restart - encapsulated - RESOLVED
W98se Shutdown Problem - RESOLVED

in reference to threads:



Posted as a new Post because this *Solved* post has been placed at the
very
bottom of each of the aforementioned threads.

This has been resolved thanks to the kind and untiring efforts of Noel
Paton
(MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) who stuck with me throughout this thread and
issue. A number of others who are known to me also paid a brief (or not so
brief visit, and you know who you are PCR. s)
Since I've used so much bandwidth here I might as well try to explain for
the possible benefit of others who may find themselves facing a similar
problem with the same Monitor and USB 1.1

Summary: If you have Win98se with USB 1.1 and this Dell 1907FP Flat Panel
Monitor, *Do Not* connect the USB 2.0 Upstream port on the monitor to the
Computers USB 1.1 Port.
The setup instructs one to connect the USB cable between PC and Monitor
and
makes no statement anywhere that it is ancillary and not needed for
operation of the monitor. I suspect that this will continue to be the case
as W98se will become more and more "ignored" now that it is a documented
*unsupported OS*

The root cause (which may also be spiced up with a little of my own
ignorant
stupidity) appeared to be related to a faulty Device related to the USB
Controllers. But actually more specifically related to one of two things
with this new Dell 1970FP Monitor (Flat Panel LCD Display).

For more details, read onward, otherwise, the basic short summary above
serves to shed light on the cause, effect.and solution.

My W98se is installed in a very late model of an Optiplex GX240 PC. As I
understand it, W98se supports USB 2.0, but as it comes, the hardware
installed in it is only USB 1.1

This Flat Panel monitor *may or may not be supported by W98se*. It is now
fairly well established that the driver supplied for it on the "Install
Disk
" is NOT W98se supported, but is solely for WinXP and WinXP x 64 (64 bit).
It *may possibly* be supported by W2k as well, but in fact, Dell's
available
documentation contradicts itself. If someone desires evidence of this,
juts
look about their website in the downloads area. Enter the model number of
your Dell enter your OS platform go to the Drivers/Downloads
Display.
The info which is from the Readme and INF file for the Driver from the CD
if
anyone wishes to see that will be found in this thread:


Be that as it may, that is not the actual problem, as in fact, the Monitor
does work. It may or may not be working at an optimum level (unknown by
me;
never had one of these FP LCD Monitors before) and it does display some
"unfamiliar characteristics" and slightly disturbing graphical features.

Now, the one crux of the issue is this: This monitor is supplied with an
input connection for USB. From the monitor are 5 USB outputs.
The Monitor is able to only manage 2.0 USB and not 1.1 USB. It matters not
if a secondary device is attached to the Monitors USB 2.0 output. The
Computer Operating System will hang at Shutdown or Restart.

There is no documentation elsewhere - that I've seen - which mentions or
addresses this issue. Dell had not once during my many discussions with
them
made any mention of the USB connector; to make certain it wasn't
connected.

Once again, I'd like to offer my sincere thanks to all those who came to
my
aid during this most vexing of problems. :-)

I hope this will be of some help to any person who might be faced with a
similar condition. Cheers.

--

LuckyStrike

How to make a good newsgroup post:
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
------------------------------------------------------------

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Just on a point of fact....
Windows 98SE supports USB1.1 out-of-the-box, but needs additional drivers
to
be able to support USB2.0

Thanks for the 'tip' Noel. '-)

Now, to run a USB 2.0 Item which accepts USB 1.1 (as does my older 40 GB
iPod) but to achieve USB 2.0 Data Transfer speeds, one would need a USB 2.0
Card, would they not ?

The INF file shows no such drivers for the monitor's USB hub (for that it
what it is - hopefully a powered one!), and it may be that WIn98 just took
it for a USB1.1 hub (which it had every right to expect would work - USB2
is
designed explicitly to be backward-compatible!),

The Device name associated with that PITA "event" we've just gone throuugh
was named "Generic USB (hub ?) something or other". I don't recollect, but
of course could re-enabled the thing and see.

but that some error in
manufacture and/or design meant that it wasn't fully compatible. This
should
have been visible in Device Manager, if both had been right!

If it initially was there from the get-go as an error, it sure would have
simplified matters, but strangely enough, it wasn't until we did the T-Shoot
# 12 that it made it's presence known as being "faulty". It sure was an
'odd situation', that's all I can say. :-/

Whatever - looks like you've got yourself a nice monitor

I like it a lot more now. LOL.

which will be suitable for you when you eventually upgrade to XP, LS!!
vbeg

Yah.... right ! lol

,,, and we both learned a few things along the way

I will refrain from asking what you might have garnered in the way of
knowledge from this; it might embarrass me. g But I sure learned quite a
bit. Thanks. '-))


Enjoy your shutdowns!

You BET !!. Thanks ! s
--

LuckyStrike

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--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
"LuckyStrike" om wrote
in
message ...
Windows refuses to shutdown or restart - encapsulated - RESOLVED
W98se Shutdown Problem - RESOLVED

in reference to threads:



Posted as a new Post because this *Solved* post has been placed at the
very
bottom of each of the aforementioned threads.

This has been resolved thanks to the kind and untiring efforts of Noel
Paton
(MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) who stuck with me throughout this thread and
issue. A number of others who are known to me also paid a brief (or not
so
brief visit, and you know who you are PCR. s)
Since I've used so much bandwidth here I might as well try to explain
for
the possible benefit of others who may find themselves facing a similar
problem with the same Monitor and USB 1.1

Summary: If you have Win98se with USB 1.1 and this Dell 1907FP Flat
Panel
Monitor, *Do Not* connect the USB 2.0 Upstream port on the monitor to
the
Computers USB 1.1 Port.
The setup instructs one to connect the USB cable between PC and Monitor
and
makes no statement anywhere that it is ancillary and not needed for
operation of the monitor. I suspect that this will continue to be the
case
as W98se will become more and more "ignored" now that it is a documented
*unsupported OS*

The root cause (which may also be spiced up with a little of my own
ignorant
stupidity) appeared to be related to a faulty Device related to the USB
Controllers. But actually more specifically related to one of two things
with this new Dell 1970FP Monitor (Flat Panel LCD Display).

For more details, read onward, otherwise, the basic short summary above
serves to shed light on the cause, effect.and solution.

My W98se is installed in a very late model of an Optiplex GX240 PC. As I
understand it, W98se supports USB 2.0, but as it comes, the hardware
installed in it is only USB 1.1

This Flat Panel monitor *may or may not be supported by W98se*. It is
now
fairly well established that the driver supplied for it on the "Install
Disk
" is NOT W98se supported, but is solely for WinXP and WinXP x 64 (64
bit).
It *may possibly* be supported by W2k as well, but in fact, Dell's
available
documentation contradicts itself. If someone desires evidence of this,
juts
look about their website in the downloads area. Enter the model number
of
your Dell enter your OS platform go to the Drivers/Downloads
Display.
The info which is from the Readme and INF file for the Driver from the
CD
if
anyone wishes to see that will be found in this thread:


Be that as it may, that is not the actual problem, as in fact, the
Monitor
does work. It may or may not be working at an optimum level (unknown by
me;
never had one of these FP LCD Monitors before) and it does display some
"unfamiliar characteristics" and slightly disturbing graphical features.

Now, the one crux of the issue is this: This monitor is supplied with an
input connection for USB. From the monitor are 5 USB outputs.
The Monitor is able to only manage 2.0 USB and not 1.1 USB. It matters
not
if a secondary device is attached to the Monitors USB 2.0 output. The
Computer Operating System will hang at Shutdown or Restart.

There is no documentation elsewhere - that I've seen - which mentions or
addresses this issue. Dell had not once during my many discussions with
them
made any mention of the USB connector; to make certain it wasn't
connected.

Once again, I'd like to offer my sincere thanks to all those who came to
my
aid during this most vexing of problems. :-)

I hope this will be of some help to any person who might be faced with a
similar condition. Cheers.

--

LuckyStrike

How to make a good newsgroup post:
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
------------------------------------------------------------

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:41:07 -0600, "LuckyStrike"
om put finger to
keyboard and composed:

Windows refuses to shutdown or restart - encapsulated - RESOLVED
W98se Shutdown Problem - RESOLVED

in reference to threads:



Posted as a new Post because this *Solved* post has been placed at the very
bottom of each of the aforementioned threads.

This has been resolved thanks to the kind and untiring efforts of Noel Paton
(MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) who stuck with me throughout this thread and
issue. A number of others who are known to me also paid a brief (or not so
brief visit, and you know who you are PCR. s)
Since I've used so much bandwidth here I might as well try to explain for
the possible benefit of others who may find themselves facing a similar
problem with the same Monitor and USB 1.1

Summary: If you have Win98se with USB 1.1 and this Dell 1907FP Flat Panel
Monitor, *Do Not* connect the USB 2.0 Upstream port on the monitor to the
Computers USB 1.1 Port.
The setup instructs one to connect the USB cable between PC and Monitor and
makes no statement anywhere that it is ancillary and not needed for
operation of the monitor. I suspect that this will continue to be the case
as W98se will become more and more "ignored" now that it is a documented
*unsupported OS*

The root cause (which may also be spiced up with a little of my own ignorant
stupidity) appeared to be related to a faulty Device related to the USB
Controllers. But actually more specifically related to one of two things
with this new Dell 1970FP Monitor (Flat Panel LCD Display).

For more details, read onward, otherwise, the basic short summary above
serves to shed light on the cause, effect.and solution.

My W98se is installed in a very late model of an Optiplex GX240 PC. As I
understand it, W98se supports USB 2.0, but as it comes, the hardware
installed in it is only USB 1.1

This Flat Panel monitor *may or may not be supported by W98se*. It is now
fairly well established that the driver supplied for it on the "Install Disk
" is NOT W98se supported, but is solely for WinXP and WinXP x 64 (64 bit).
It *may possibly* be supported by W2k as well, but in fact, Dell's available
documentation contradicts itself. If someone desires evidence of this, juts
look about their website in the downloads area. Enter the model number of
your Dell enter your OS platform go to the Drivers/Downloads Display.
The info which is from the Readme and INF file for the Driver from the CD if
anyone wishes to see that will be found in this thread:


Be that as it may, that is not the actual problem, as in fact, the Monitor
does work. It may or may not be working at an optimum level (unknown by me;
never had one of these FP LCD Monitors before) and it does display some
"unfamiliar characteristics" and slightly disturbing graphical features.

The signature of your .INF file is "Chicago". As pointed out by PCR,
this means that the "driver" is universal, ie it should work with
Win9x. My flat panel monitor's INF has this same signature.

FWIW, the monitor stuff appears to be written to this registry key:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Servic es\Class\Monitor\000n

Your INF appears to allow only one resolution, namely the native 1280
x 1024. Mine allows three.

The .ICM file appears to provide the numbers for the ICMProfile
parameter.

Try copying the 1907FP.icm file to your Windows\System\Color folder.
Then r-click a blank area of your desktop and select Properties -
Settings - Advanced - Color Management. Try the new ICM profile. Are
the colours any better?

BTW, I tried using your monitor's ICM profile with my 15" Mitsubishi
DV152. I saw no difference, but then I'm colour blind. Nothing broke
in any case.

Now, the one crux of the issue is this: This monitor is supplied with an
input connection for USB. From the monitor are 5 USB outputs.
The Monitor is able to only manage 2.0 USB and not 1.1 USB.

This URL suggests that the USB interface is downward compatible:
http://support.dell.com/support/edoc...P/en/about.htm

The USB section is in the middle of the page.

It matters not
if a secondary device is attached to the Monitors USB 2.0 output. The
Computer Operating System will hang at Shutdown or Restart.

So the monitor has a 4-port USB hub? Wouldn't a driver be required for
this? FWIW, I can't find one on Dell's website. Is that because XP
supports it natively?

There is a utility on your Win98SE CD named usbview.exe. AFAIK, it
detects all USB ports and devices, whether or not drivers have been
loaded.

You can also obtain it he
ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/Services/Tec...SE/USBVIEW.EXE

Does usbview find the monitor's USB ports? Does it report a Vendor and
Product ID? If so, then you may be able to find generic chipset-based
drivers for it.

There is no documentation elsewhere - that I've seen - which mentions or
addresses this issue. Dell had not once during my many discussions with them
made any mention of the USB connector; to make certain it wasn't connected.

Once again, I'd like to offer my sincere thanks to all those who came to my
aid during this most vexing of problems. :-)

I hope this will be of some help to any person who might be faced with a
similar condition. Cheers.

This site might be helpful:
http://www.usbman.com/win98seusbguide.htm

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Now to get some sleep, maybe?

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http://dundats.mvps.org/
http://dundats.proboards27.com/index.cgi
http://www.aumha.org/
"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:41:07 -0600, "LuckyStrike"
om put finger to
keyboard and composed:

Windows refuses to shutdown or restart - encapsulated - RESOLVED
W98se Shutdown Problem - RESOLVED

in reference to threads:



Posted as a new Post because this *Solved* post has been placed at the
very
bottom of each of the aforementioned threads.

This has been resolved thanks to the kind and untiring efforts of Noel
Paton
(MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) who stuck with me throughout this thread and
issue. A number of others who are known to me also paid a brief (or not so
brief visit, and you know who you are PCR. s)
Since I've used so much bandwidth here I might as well try to explain for
the possible benefit of others who may find themselves facing a similar
problem with the same Monitor and USB 1.1

Summary: If you have Win98se with USB 1.1 and this Dell 1907FP Flat Panel
Monitor, *Do Not* connect the USB 2.0 Upstream port on the monitor to the
Computers USB 1.1 Port.
The setup instructs one to connect the USB cable between PC and Monitor
and
makes no statement anywhere that it is ancillary and not needed for
operation of the monitor. I suspect that this will continue to be the case
as W98se will become more and more "ignored" now that it is a documented
*unsupported OS*

The root cause (which may also be spiced up with a little of my own
ignorant
stupidity) appeared to be related to a faulty Device related to the USB
Controllers. But actually more specifically related to one of two things
with this new Dell 1970FP Monitor (Flat Panel LCD Display).

For more details, read onward, otherwise, the basic short summary above
serves to shed light on the cause, effect.and solution.

My W98se is installed in a very late model of an Optiplex GX240 PC. As I
understand it, W98se supports USB 2.0, but as it comes, the hardware
installed in it is only USB 1.1

This Flat Panel monitor *may or may not be supported by W98se*. It is now
fairly well established that the driver supplied for it on the "Install
Disk
" is NOT W98se supported, but is solely for WinXP and WinXP x 64 (64 bit).
It *may possibly* be supported by W2k as well, but in fact, Dell's
available
documentation contradicts itself. If someone desires evidence of this,
juts
look about their website in the downloads area. Enter the model number of
your Dell enter your OS platform go to the Drivers/Downloads
Display.
The info which is from the Readme and INF file for the Driver from the CD
if
anyone wishes to see that will be found in this thread:


Be that as it may, that is not the actual problem, as in fact, the Monitor
does work. It may or may not be working at an optimum level (unknown by
me;
never had one of these FP LCD Monitors before) and it does display some
"unfamiliar characteristics" and slightly disturbing graphical features.

The signature of your .INF file is "Chicago". As pointed out by PCR,
this means that the "driver" is universal, ie it should work with
Win9x. My flat panel monitor's INF has this same signature.

FWIW, the monitor stuff appears to be written to this registry key:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Servic es\Class\Monitor\000n

Your INF appears to allow only one resolution, namely the native 1280
x 1024. Mine allows three.

The .ICM file appears to provide the numbers for the ICMProfile
parameter.

Try copying the 1907FP.icm file to your Windows\System\Color folder.
Then r-click a blank area of your desktop and select Properties -
Settings - Advanced - Color Management. Try the new ICM profile. Are
the colours any better?

BTW, I tried using your monitor's ICM profile with my 15" Mitsubishi
DV152. I saw no difference, but then I'm colour blind. Nothing broke
in any case.

Now, the one crux of the issue is this: This monitor is supplied with an
input connection for USB. From the monitor are 5 USB outputs.
The Monitor is able to only manage 2.0 USB and not 1.1 USB.

This URL suggests that the USB interface is downward compatible:
http://support.dell.com/support/edoc...P/en/about.htm

The USB section is in the middle of the page.

It matters not
if a secondary device is attached to the Monitors USB 2.0 output. The
Computer Operating System will hang at Shutdown or Restart.

So the monitor has a 4-port USB hub? Wouldn't a driver be required for
this? FWIW, I can't find one on Dell's website. Is that because XP
supports it natively?

There is a utility on your Win98SE CD named usbview.exe. AFAIK, it
detects all USB ports and devices, whether or not drivers have been
loaded.

You can also obtain it he
ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/Services/Tec...SE/USBVIEW.EXE

Does usbview find the monitor's USB ports? Does it report a Vendor and
Product ID? If so, then you may be able to find generic chipset-based
drivers for it.

There is no documentation elsewhere - that I've seen - which mentions or
addresses this issue. Dell had not once during my many discussions with
them
made any mention of the USB connector; to make certain it wasn't
connected.

Once again, I'd like to offer my sincere thanks to all those who came to
my
aid during this most vexing of problems. :-)

I hope this will be of some help to any person who might be faced with a
similar condition. Cheers.

This site might be helpful:
http://www.usbman.com/win98seusbguide.htm

- Franc Zabkar
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HELPFUL you say Franc, I think its bl**dy marvellous.
It will save many questions in this group and looks to be an
excellent learning curve site, plenty of Links upon Links upon Links.
Cheers
Gekko

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This site might be helpful:
http://www.usbman.com/win98seusbguide.htm

- Franc Zabkar

Greetings Franc
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On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:41:07 -0600, "LuckyStrike"
om put finger to
keyboard and composed:

Windows refuses to shutdown or restart - encapsulated - RESOLVED
W98se Shutdown Problem - RESOLVED

in reference to threads:



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Summary: If you have Win98se with USB 1.1 and this Dell 1907FP Flat Panel
Monitor, *Do Not* connect the USB 2.0 Upstream port on the monitor to the
Computers USB 1.1 Port.
The setup instructs one to connect the USB cable between PC and Monitor
and
makes no statement anywhere that it is ancillary and not needed for
operation of the monitor.

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The root cause (which may also be spiced up with a little of my own
ignorant
stupidity) appeared to be related to a faulty Device related to the USB
Controllers. But actually more specifically related to one of two things
with this new Dell 1970FP Monitor (Flat Panel LCD Display).

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This Flat Panel monitor *may or may not be supported by W98se*. It is now
fairly well established that the driver supplied for it on the "Install
Disk
" is NOT W98se supported, but is solely for WinXP and WinXP x 64 (64
bit).
It *may possibly* be supported by W2k as well, but in fact, Dell's
available
documentation contradicts itself.
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The info which is from the Readme and INF file for the Driver from the CD
if
anyone wishes to see that will be found in this thread:


Be that as it may, that is not the actual problem, as in fact, the
Monitor
does work. It may or may not be working at an optimum level (unknown by
me;
never had one of these FP LCD Monitors before) and it does display some
"unfamiliar characteristics" and slightly disturbing graphical features.

The signature of your .INF file is "Chicago". As pointed out by PCR,
this means that the "driver" is universal, ie it should work with
Win9x. My flat panel monitor's INF has this same signature.

Oh, OK. Is that what the "cryptic" "Chicago" means then ? Learn something
all the time here. :-))

FWIW, the monitor stuff appears to be written to this registry key:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Servic es\Class\Monitor\000n

I looked into that key and exported it for study (IF - as if - I'd know what
it actually all meant. lol) -- But good thing I have, because since this
last writing, I have updated both my 32MB ATI Rage Ultra 128 Vid Card driver
*and* have "installed* the 1907FP.INI (as per DELL's instructions to do so.
No effect.

Have also Flashed BIOS from A02 to A05 (successfuly, thank the lawd). Still
no effect. Apparently that BIOS revision was supposed to address some USB
Hub issues, but in my case, it did nothing positive in that regard.

Your INF appears to allow only one resolution, namely the native 1280
x 1024. Mine allows three.

Yes, I saw that there was only one line in that 'sector', and it read just
as you've written.

The .ICM file appears to provide the numbers for the ICMProfile
parameter.

That's what I understood it to be.

Try copying the 1907FP.icm file to your Windows\System\Color folder.
Then r-click a blank area of your desktop and select Properties -
Settings - Advanced - Color Management. Try the new ICM profile. Are
the colours any better?

I saw nothing appreciably different even after having imported that "color
profile".

BTW, I tried using your monitor's ICM profile with my 15" Mitsubishi
DV152. I saw no difference, but then I'm colour blind. Nothing broke
in any case.

LOL. Courageous fellow. s "Nothing Broke...." said Franc. VBG

Now, the one crux of the issue is this: This monitor is supplied with an
input connection for USB. From the monitor are 5 USB outputs.
The Monitor is able to only manage 2.0 USB and not 1.1 USB.

This URL suggests that the USB interface is downward compatible:
http://support.dell.com/support/edoc...P/en/about.htm

The USB section is in the middle of the page.

Yeah... I had seen that. But, I don't see anything (but maybe i'm more than
simply 'color blind'. g) that clearly states backward-compatibility. Could
you clarify or point that out ? Perhaps it's "implied" by virtue of having
not stated otherwise ? I mean -- it doesn't say "Don't use with USB 1.1".

I will add that Dell tech was baffled by this as well. They claim it should
work.

It matters not
if a secondary device is attached to the Monitors USB 2.0 output. The
Computer Operating System will hang at Shutdown or Restart.

So the monitor has a 4-port USB hub?

Apparently yes. One IN from PC to Monitor; 4 OUT to whatever USB devices one
might have. He
Bottom view
http://support.dell.com/support/edoc...out.htm#Bottom
View
Side view
http://support.dell.com/support/edoc...about.htm#Side View

Wouldn't a driver be required for
this?

Logically (?), one would suspect that would be a requirement I'd suppose
(?) But, you are theoretically asking the wrong guy. I have little knowledge
when it comes to all of that. Surely, far less than you and most people
here.

FWIW, I can't find one on Dell's website. Is that because XP
supports it natively?

My knowledge of W98se is bare bones on a need to know basis as it is. XP ? I
know less than little of XP. :-D But serously, I'd again suppose that there
is a 8chance* that what you speak of about native support may well be true.
However, that's simply a guess on my part. Unsubstatiated.

There is a utility on your Win98SE CD named usbview.exe. AFAIK, it
detects all USB ports and devices, whether or not drivers have been
loaded.

Might be a W98 item, but wasn't found "at large" on my W98se machine. True;
I didn't search any Cabinet files though. However, I did download two
versions (your link was the newer one of the two. Thank you).

It displayed "ConnectionStatus: NoDeviceConnected". Four times total; both
(2 each) in RootHub for both USB Host Controllers. (Port 1 and Port 2)


You can also obtain it he

ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/Services/Tec...SE/USBVIEW.EXE

Yes, I did Franc. Thank you. :-)

Does usbview find the monitor's USB ports?

Yes, I believe it does:
RootHub (two of those listed) Port 1 and Port 2 (both shown two times in
both Host controllers)

Does it report a Vendor and Product ID?

Is this what you mean ?
Intel(R) 82801BA/BAM USB Universal Host Controller - 2442
Intel(R) 82801BA/BAM USB Universal Host Controller - 2444

If so, then you may be able to find generic chipset-based
drivers for it.

Once clarified, I might be able to seek such out if thesituation calls for
it (them) ?

There is no documentation elsewhere - that I've seen - which mentions or
addresses this issue. Dell had not once during my many discussions with
them
made any mention of the USB connector; to make certain it wasn't
connected.

Once again, I'd like to offer my sincere thanks to all those who came to
my
aid during this most vexing of problems. :-)

I hope this will be of some help to any person who might be faced with a
similar condition. Cheers.

This site might be helpful:
http://www.usbman.com/win98seusbguide.htm

That is a handy site. Much to look at. OF COURSE, I've not studied it in
depth yet as I was preoccupied with replacement of the replacement Monitor
g and Dell Tech support all morning, 'til roughly about now. lol

Thank you for taking your time to read my post and offering your input; as
well as the risk you took with your Mitsubishi and the (my) .INF file.

LuckyStrike

- Franc Zabkar
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"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:41:07 -0600, "LuckyStrike"
om put finger to
keyboard and composed:

Windows refuses to shutdown or restart - encapsulated - RESOLVED
W98se Shutdown Problem - RESOLVED
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That's a very cute and charming "sig" Gekko. :-))))
And yeah... that Franc link of info and link upon link...ad infinitum... IS
good. A keeper.

BTW, getting your stuff sorted out yet ?
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"Gekko" wrote in message
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HELPFUL you say Franc, I think its bl**dy marvellous.
It will save many questions in this group and looks to be an
excellent learning curve site, plenty of Links upon Links upon Links.
Cheers
Gekko

(\(\ (\(\
( -.-) ( -.-)
o_(")(") o(")(")mr & mrs B


This site might be helpful:
http://www.usbman.com/win98seusbguide.htm

- Franc Zabkar