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Old July 2nd 06, 04:01 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.fat32,microsoft.public.win98.disks.general
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Default 160gb HDD getting repeated corrupted FAT

Hi everyone,

I'd like to find out from those win98se users who are using HDDs of
over 120gb capacity. I have a Seagate Barracuda 160gb HDD which I've
been using fairly happily until the last few weeks when FAT corruption
occurs a bit too frequently for my liking. Firstly I've tried the
following to prepare my 160gb HDD:-

Method 1: Install HDD, use Partition Magic 7 to partition the HDD into
120gb and 40gb partitions. This was what I did originally. It was okay
for the past 4 mths until recently. It could be that I was beginning to
hit the 100gb capacity that problems occurred (one possible reason
anyway).

Method 2: Install HDD, used fdisk in command prompt (updated fdisk),
fdisk it and then format it. Win98se recognises it as a 160gb HDD but
was unable to scandisk (low memory error). I then use Partition Magic 7
to partition into 80gb and 80gb this time round. Again, errors occurred
after transferring my backed up data back onto the HDD (one partition
was used).

Is there something I'm doing wrong with a 120+gb HDD?

The odd thing is this. The latest corruption occurred on the partition
that I NEVER used. The 2 partitions are F: and G:. F: is used most
frequently - no errors there so far. But today, G: became corrupt (for
no reason), with over 35mb of file****.chk files found, and 4
directories reinstated after a command prompt scandisk. I have never
used G: at all. One of the chk files contained a CLSID which I tracked
it to Norton Protection Recycle Bin. (But prior to this, I disabled
Norton PRB for these 2 drives.)

I'm beginning to wonder if Norton Protection Recycle Bin might have
problems with running on win98se with a 120+ gb hdd.

My specs: P4 2.ghz Intel CPU, 512mb Ram, Nvidia 5900fx card, Gigabyte
8IEXP mobo, 2xWestern Digital 60gb RAID HDDs, 1x Seagate 80gb HDD, 1x
Seagate 160gb HDD. Windows 98SE (fully updated), Running Norton
Systemworks Premier 2005 (NAV and Recycle Bin running), Blackice
Defender, ZoneAlarm in memory.

If anyone can help me that'd be great. Am I partitioning my 120+gb
harddisk wrong? Should I instead get a 120gb harddisk? Is Norton
Recycle Bin the cause of the problems - does it have issues with large
HDDs on win98se? Is the mobo/cpu now incompatible with the newer HDDs?

Any help appreciated!

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Old July 2nd 06, 04:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.fat32,microsoft.public.win98.disks.general
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Default 160gb HDD getting repeated corrupted FAT

saidean wrote:
Hi everyone,

I'd like to find out from those win98se users who are using HDDs of
over 120gb capacity. I have a Seagate Barracuda 160gb HDD which I've
been using fairly happily until the last few weeks when FAT corruption
occurs a bit too frequently for my liking. Firstly I've tried the
following to prepare my 160gb HDD:-

Method 1: Install HDD, use Partition Magic 7 to partition the HDD into
120gb and 40gb partitions. This was what I did originally. It was okay
for the past 4 mths until recently. It could be that I was beginning to
hit the 100gb capacity that problems occurred (one possible reason
anyway).

Method 2: Install HDD, used fdisk in command prompt (updated fdisk),
fdisk it and then format it. Win98se recognises it as a 160gb HDD but
was unable to scandisk (low memory error). I then use Partition Magic 7
to partition into 80gb and 80gb this time round. Again, errors occurred
after transferring my backed up data back onto the HDD (one partition
was used).

Is there something I'm doing wrong with a 120+gb HDD?

The odd thing is this. The latest corruption occurred on the partition
that I NEVER used. The 2 partitions are F: and G:. F: is used most
frequently - no errors there so far. But today, G: became corrupt (for
no reason), with over 35mb of file****.chk files found, and 4
directories reinstated after a command prompt scandisk. I have never
used G: at all. One of the chk files contained a CLSID which I tracked
it to Norton Protection Recycle Bin. (But prior to this, I disabled
Norton PRB for these 2 drives.)

I'm beginning to wonder if Norton Protection Recycle Bin might have
problems with running on win98se with a 120+ gb hdd.

My specs: P4 2.ghz Intel CPU, 512mb Ram, Nvidia 5900fx card, Gigabyte
8IEXP mobo, 2xWestern Digital 60gb RAID HDDs, 1x Seagate 80gb HDD, 1x
Seagate 160gb HDD. Windows 98SE (fully updated), Running Norton
Systemworks Premier 2005 (NAV and Recycle Bin running), Blackice
Defender, ZoneAlarm in memory.

If anyone can help me that'd be great. Am I partitioning my 120+gb
harddisk wrong? Should I instead get a 120gb harddisk? Is Norton
Recycle Bin the cause of the problems - does it have issues with large
HDDs on win98se? Is the mobo/cpu now incompatible with the newer HDDs?

Any help appreciated!

It seems a disk with a bigger total size than 128/137GB can't be used in
Windows 98SE.
Errors show up when usage exceeds that boundary.
Windows 98SE utilities like defrag and scandisk can't work reliable on
such a big disk.
Best would be to jumper the harddisk to 128/137GB when the disk has such
a provision or do the same thing with manufacturer's software if available.


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Old July 2nd 06, 05:49 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.fat32,microsoft.public.win98.disks.general
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Default 160gb HDD getting repeated corrupted FAT

Don't understand what you mean by this, can you please explain???



Best would be to jumper the harddisk to 128/137GB when the disk has such
a provision or do the same thing with manufacturer's software if

available.




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Old July 2nd 06, 06:01 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.fat32,microsoft.public.win98.disks.general
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saidean wrote:
Hi everyone,

I'd like to find out from those win98se users who are using HDDs of
over 120gb capacity. I have a Seagate Barracuda 160gb HDD which I've
been using fairly happily until the last few weeks when FAT corruption
occurs a bit too frequently for my liking. Firstly I've tried the
following to prepare my 160gb HDD:-

Method 1: Install HDD, use Partition Magic 7 to partition the HDD into
120gb and 40gb partitions. This was what I did originally. It was okay
for the past 4 mths until recently. It could be that I was beginning to
hit the 100gb capacity that problems occurred (one possible reason
anyway).

Method 2: Install HDD, used fdisk in command prompt (updated fdisk),
fdisk it and then format it. Win98se recognises it as a 160gb HDD but
was unable to scandisk (low memory error). I then use Partition Magic 7
to partition into 80gb and 80gb this time round. Again, errors occurred
after transferring my backed up data back onto the HDD (one partition
was used).

Is there something I'm doing wrong with a 120+gb HDD?

The odd thing is this. The latest corruption occurred on the partition
that I NEVER used. The 2 partitions are F: and G:. F: is used most
frequently - no errors there so far. But today, G: became corrupt (for
no reason), with over 35mb of file****.chk files found, and 4
directories reinstated after a command prompt scandisk. I have never
used G: at all. One of the chk files contained a CLSID which I tracked
it to Norton Protection Recycle Bin. (But prior to this, I disabled
Norton PRB for these 2 drives.)

I'm beginning to wonder if Norton Protection Recycle Bin might have
problems with running on win98se with a 120+ gb hdd.

My specs: P4 2.ghz Intel CPU, 512mb Ram, Nvidia 5900fx card, Gigabyte
8IEXP mobo, 2xWestern Digital 60gb RAID HDDs, 1x Seagate 80gb HDD, 1x
Seagate 160gb HDD. Windows 98SE (fully updated), Running Norton
Systemworks Premier 2005 (NAV and Recycle Bin running), Blackice
Defender, ZoneAlarm in memory.

If anyone can help me that'd be great. Am I partitioning my 120+gb
harddisk wrong? Should I instead get a 120gb harddisk? Is Norton
Recycle Bin the cause of the problems - does it have issues with large
HDDs on win98se? Is the mobo/cpu now incompatible with the newer HDDs?

Any help appreciated!



Hello saidean,

Just curious, is your two RAID connected drives SATA right? ..connected
into an onboard SATA controller or PCI one? ..and your 160 GB drive is PATA?
...and is it connected to your onboard MB controller? ..explain your setup since
I'm not familiar with your board.

You partitioned the 160 correctly since you needed to stay under 127 GB for any
partition, however there are other fatal issues besides that though that are
causing your problem now - however they are solvable.
Since W98SE in it's stock condition with it's Windows IDE controller driver does
not support 48 bit LBA even though your new onboard bios mostlikely does, and so
you must replace that W98 IDE controller driver (esdi_506.pdr) with a
substitute/better driver that will support 48bit for your large HD's - and if
you don't then corruption 'will occur' on that drive.

(if your 160 is a PATA drive) ..then the all-round best way for you to fix your
issue is to use a PCI Controller Card like this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...102-007&depa=0
..and it will solve your problem...(as long as your HD has no marked out
bad clusters now)...(Don't Run Scandisk or Defrag on it to find out either - or
you will wreck it even more!)

That controller card uses its own bios and controller drivers that support 48
bit LBA; it is the card I use for all my (P)ATA drives and works excellent, with
other remarkable performance benefits as well. I use 300 GB HD's now, but
previously used 250's, and before that used.. etc..

Rick

....ps, for myself and imho, I find no reason or need with a 300 GB HD to run two
drives even though I most certainly could, and my MB does have SATA ports too
which I could run a RAID setup, but again I find no reason and I like to just
keep it simple. I say that because I don't understand your need to run so many
HD's like that but that is another subject but is not the cause of your problem.
(yes I do realize that new SATA hardware's coming out these days has it rated
moving up higher than 150 MB/s speeds now and that does have my attention, but
that's another subject)



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Old July 2nd 06, 06:35 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.fat32,microsoft.public.win98.disks.general
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Default 160gb HDD getting repeated corrupted FAT

saidean wrote:

I'd like to find out from those win98se users who are using HDDs of
over 120gb capacity. I have a Seagate Barracuda 160gb HDD which I've
been using fairly happily until the last few weeks when FAT corruption
occurs a bit too frequently for my liking.


You are hitting the LBA28 barrier. Have a look he www.48bitlba.com
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Old July 2nd 06, 06:38 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.fat32,microsoft.public.win98.disks.general
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"saidean" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hi everyone,

I'd like to find out from those win98se users who are using HDDs of
over 120gb capacity. I have a Seagate Barracuda 160gb HDD which I've
been using fairly happily until the last few weeks when FAT corruption
occurs a bit too frequently for my liking. Firstly I've tried the
following to prepare my 160gb HDD:-

Method 1: Install HDD, use Partition Magic 7 to partition the HDD into
120gb and 40gb partitions. This was what I did originally. It was okay
for the past 4 mths until recently. It could be that I was beginning to
hit the 100gb capacity that problems occurred (one possible reason
anyway).

Method 2: Install HDD, used fdisk in command prompt (updated fdisk),
fdisk it and then format it. Win98se recognises it as a 160gb HDD but
was unable to scandisk (low memory error). I then use Partition Magic 7
to partition into 80gb and 80gb this time round. Again, errors occurred
after transferring my backed up data back onto the HDD (one partition
was used).

Is there something I'm doing wrong with a 120+gb HDD?

The odd thing is this. The latest corruption occurred on the partition
that I NEVER used. The 2 partitions are F: and G:. F: is used most
frequently - no errors there so far. But today, G: became corrupt (for
no reason), with over 35mb of file****.chk files found, and 4
directories reinstated after a command prompt scandisk. I have never
used G: at all. One of the chk files contained a CLSID which I tracked
it to Norton Protection Recycle Bin. (But prior to this, I disabled
Norton PRB for these 2 drives.)

I'm beginning to wonder if Norton Protection Recycle Bin might have
problems with running on win98se with a 120+ gb hdd.

My specs: P4 2.ghz Intel CPU, 512mb Ram, Nvidia 5900fx card, Gigabyte
8IEXP mobo, 2xWestern Digital 60gb RAID HDDs, 1x Seagate 80gb HDD, 1x
Seagate 160gb HDD. Windows 98SE (fully updated), Running Norton
Systemworks Premier 2005 (NAV and Recycle Bin running), Blackice
Defender, ZoneAlarm in memory.

If anyone can help me that'd be great. Am I partitioning my 120+gb
harddisk wrong? Should I instead get a 120gb harddisk? Is Norton
Recycle Bin the cause of the problems - does it have issues with large
HDDs on win98se? Is the mobo/cpu now incompatible with the newer HDDs?

Any help appreciated!


I thought PartMagic 7 was limited to 80G hard drives. PM 8 does larger ones.
??

Galen

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Old July 2nd 06, 08:05 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.fat32,microsoft.public.win98.disks.general
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Default 160gb HDD getting repeated corrupted FAT

XP, the original edition, could not support drives larger than 127 Gig, so
certainly 98SE can not. Additionally, your motherboard may not be able to
handle a disk this large.

In either case, the solution is to make the drive appear smaller.

You might be able to fdisk and partition up to 127Gig, with the remaining
space being space. That might fool 98SE, but not the motherboard.

A safer method would be to read the manual that came with the disk, or is
available on-line from the disk maker. Look for something about installing
a "jumper" to reduce the size of the disk. A jumper is a little
plastic-coated wire, usually black, commonly about 3/8 of an inch long. One
or two are usually provided with each disk, often installed
"safe"/"placeholder" positions. You need to move one to some other
position, as determined by the manual for the disk. Needlenosed pilers help
when attmepting to move jumpers, since they are sometimes too small for
adult fingers.

"saidean" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hi everyone,

I'd like to find out from those win98se users who are using HDDs of
over 120gb capacity. I have a Seagate Barracuda 160gb HDD which I've
been using fairly happily until the last few weeks when FAT corruption
occurs a bit too frequently for my liking. Firstly I've tried the
following to prepare my 160gb HDD:-

Method 1: Install HDD, use Partition Magic 7 to partition the HDD into
120gb and 40gb partitions. This was what I did originally. It was okay
for the past 4 mths until recently. It could be that I was beginning to
hit the 100gb capacity that problems occurred (one possible reason
anyway).

Method 2: Install HDD, used fdisk in command prompt (updated fdisk),
fdisk it and then format it. Win98se recognises it as a 160gb HDD but
was unable to scandisk (low memory error). I then use Partition Magic 7
to partition into 80gb and 80gb this time round. Again, errors occurred
after transferring my backed up data back onto the HDD (one partition
was used).

Is there something I'm doing wrong with a 120+gb HDD?

The odd thing is this. The latest corruption occurred on the partition
that I NEVER used. The 2 partitions are F: and G:. F: is used most
frequently - no errors there so far. But today, G: became corrupt (for
no reason), with over 35mb of file****.chk files found, and 4
directories reinstated after a command prompt scandisk. I have never
used G: at all. One of the chk files contained a CLSID which I tracked
it to Norton Protection Recycle Bin. (But prior to this, I disabled
Norton PRB for these 2 drives.)

I'm beginning to wonder if Norton Protection Recycle Bin might have
problems with running on win98se with a 120+ gb hdd.

My specs: P4 2.ghz Intel CPU, 512mb Ram, Nvidia 5900fx card, Gigabyte
8IEXP mobo, 2xWestern Digital 60gb RAID HDDs, 1x Seagate 80gb HDD, 1x
Seagate 160gb HDD. Windows 98SE (fully updated), Running Norton
Systemworks Premier 2005 (NAV and Recycle Bin running), Blackice
Defender, ZoneAlarm in memory.

If anyone can help me that'd be great. Am I partitioning my 120+gb
harddisk wrong? Should I instead get a 120gb harddisk? Is Norton
Recycle Bin the cause of the problems - does it have issues with large
HDDs on win98se? Is the mobo/cpu now incompatible with the newer HDDs?

Any help appreciated!



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++++Jack++++ wrote:
Best would be to jumper the harddisk to 128/137GB when the disk has such
a provision or do the same thing with manufacturer's software if
available.


Don't understand what you mean by this, can you please explain???

Some disk manufacturers make it possible to restrict the max. capacity
of a bigger than 128/137GB disk to 128/137GB by setting a jumper on the
drive, as some did in earlier years for over 8GB and over 32GB drives.

This would make it possible to use the harddisk with Windows 98SE.

In the ATA standard, that has many disk commands, are commands that have
to do with setting a maximum capacity like command "Set Maximum Address".
Some harddisk manufacturers have downloadable software that can change
properties of a disk, like running slower for less noise and maybe also
to set the maximum capacity to something like 128/137GB.
Sorry, I can't show you an example of this at the moment.
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Old July 2nd 06, 08:35 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.fat32,microsoft.public.win98.disks.general
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++++Jack++++ wrote:
Best would be to jumper the harddisk to 128/137GB when the disk has such
a provision or do the same thing with manufacturer's software if
available.

Don't understand what you mean by this, can you please explain???

Below is what I found about "Capacity Clipping" etc on the Hitachi/IBM
website.
http://www.hgst.com/hdd/support/download.htm

Feature Tool (v2.01)
This is a DOS-bootable tool for changing various ATA features. The
Feature Tool allows you to control some of the features of our Deskstar
and Travelstar high performance ATA hard disk drives and supports 48-bit
addressing, so it will work with the new large capacity drives.

This version adds support for our latest drives. Changes include:

Enhancement of SATA support
Enhancement of Capacity Clip Function

The Feature Tool allows you to:
Enable or disable the read-ahead or write cache.
Change the drive Automatic Acoustic Management settings to the:
Lowest acoustic emanation setting (Quiet Seek Mode), or
Maximum performance level (Normal Seek Mode).

Change the predefined capacity of the drive.
This option can be used in situations where there is a BIOS limitation
and the drive is not recognized.
See the Users Guide for specific details.

Switch the Ultra DMA mode
Change Advanced Power Mode - allows you to change between the lowest
power consumption and the highest power consumption (maximum performance
level).
Show Drive Temperature - shows the current drive temperature in Celsius
and Fahrenheit.
Configure SATA interface - adjust maximum speed and enable/disable
Spread Spectrum Clocking.

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Old July 3rd 06, 12:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.fat32,microsoft.public.win98.disks.general
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saidean wrote:
Hi everyone,

I'd like to find out from those win98se users who are using HDDs of
over 120gb capacity. I have a Seagate Barracuda 160gb HDD which I've
been using fairly happily until the last few weeks when FAT corruption
occurs a bit too frequently for my liking. Firstly I've tried the
following to prepare my 160gb HDD:-


I've heard reports that up to 190 gig drives work fine but not with
standard 98 disk tools like defrag and scandisk they are reported to be
troublesome. Norton's Speed disk reportedly works fine but only if
your BIOS can handle 48-bit LBA, Ingeborg posted a link for this
problem.

I noticed that you are using the updated fdisk, did you consider that
it might be worth also updating your io.sys?
MS-DOS Does Not Properly Process Hard Disk Hardware Errors
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=311561

After checking out your 48-bit LBA BIOS situation, I would blame NSW
for the problem.

 




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