ME Memory problems?

Hi Experts, hope you can help. I run Me with 512MB Ram Mcafee Virus and
Firewall. I also regularly run ad-aware, spybot and registry mechanic on
demand to try and keep my system in order.

However, I Keep getting blue screen memory (?) errors such as: Error: 0E:
0028: C002EFF7.........only thing different is the final group.

This can happen seeimingly doing almost anything on the PC.....When writing
a DVD using Nero 6, searching the internet or almost anything. the last time
it happened I was downloading an update for spybot and received this error:

File name: VMM(12) + 0000137E Error: 0E: 0028: C002EFF7.

I have looked back at some of the discussion threads and tried a few tips
given to others...these include...updating ME with latest MS updates, Full
Defrag, Full Virus scan, latest updates and searches using Ad-aware and
Spybot. Updated Reg Mechanic to ver 5 and cleared out some junk, uninstalled
various odds and ends not used or recently installed but still I get this
problem. I also ran simmtester overnight and the memory passed all tests and
CWShredder searched system without finding any problems.

In addition to the above I downloaded FreeRam which shows that my free ram
seems to dwindle away prior to an 'error'. After a normal boot up I have
about 300Mb free .....this drops to about 250mb when I start running
programmes such as Nero or connecting to the internet and right now is now
showing 228mb...with just mcafee, freeram and the connection icon in my
systray. I have also used spybot startup tool to cut down the programs which
start on bootup but this is about as far as my limited knowledge takes me.

Without understanding whats going on, it seems to me that ME is not
releasing/managing the memory properly but I dont know what to do next. I
have been watching the freeram amount while typing this but right now it
seems pretty stable at 227mb free but its orrible thinking that whenever you
are doing something on the PC it is likely to blue-screen you at any time!!!!!

Based on that I will stop rambling now and get this posted before the worst
happens.
If any one out there can help I would be REALLY pleased.
TIA Keithb

Hi its me again........I opened my email prog (Incredimail) to complete the
MS Password process so I could send the message below and my freeram dropped
to 204mb. Once completed I closed it and its back up to 216mb!!!!!

Help!

"KeithB" wrote:

Hi Experts, hope you can help. I run Me with 512MB Ram Mcafee Virus and
Firewall. I also regularly run ad-aware, spybot and registry mechanic on
demand to try and keep my system in order.

However, I Keep getting blue screen memory (?) errors such as: Error: 0E:
0028: C002EFF7.........only thing different is the final group.

This can happen seeimingly doing almost anything on the PC.....When writing
a DVD using Nero 6, searching the internet or almost anything. the last time
it happened I was downloading an update for spybot and received this error:

File name: VMM(12) + 0000137E Error: 0E: 0028: C002EFF7.

I have looked back at some of the discussion threads and tried a few tips
given to others...these include...updating ME with latest MS updates, Full
Defrag, Full Virus scan, latest updates and searches using Ad-aware and
Spybot. Updated Reg Mechanic to ver 5 and cleared out some junk, uninstalled
various odds and ends not used or recently installed but still I get this
problem. I also ran simmtester overnight and the memory passed all tests and
CWShredder searched system without finding any problems.

In addition to the above I downloaded FreeRam which shows that my free ram
seems to dwindle away prior to an 'error'. After a normal boot up I have
about 300Mb free .....this drops to about 250mb when I start running
programmes such as Nero or connecting to the internet and right now is now
showing 228mb...with just mcafee, freeram and the connection icon in my
systray. I have also used spybot startup tool to cut down the programs which
start on bootup but this is about as far as my limited knowledge takes me.

Without understanding whats going on, it seems to me that ME is not
releasing/managing the memory properly but I dont know what to do next. I
have been watching the freeram amount while typing this but right now it
seems pretty stable at 227mb free but its orrible thinking that whenever you
are doing something on the PC it is likely to blue-screen you at any time!!!!!

Based on that I will stop rambling now and get this posted before the worst
happens.
If any one out there can help I would be REALLY pleased.
TIA Keithb

KeithB wrote:

Hi its me again........I opened my email prog (Incredimail) to
complete the MS Password process so I could send the message below
and my freeram dropped to 204mb. Once completed I closed it and its
back up to 216mb!!!!!

Memory is there to be used as exemplified by your example above. If you
don't want your memory I'm pretty sure that someone else reading this
newsgroup could find a use for it if you were to remove it from your PC.
Alternatively you could always take a chip out and frame it and hang it on
the wall and look at it. :-)
--
Mike Maltby

File name: VMM(12) + 0000137E Error: 0E: 0028: C002EFF7.

This indicates a problem with the Virtual Memory Manager (VMM) and it's
possible that your problem is due to defective memory in which case you
might want to try testing your RAM. You can check your RAM by using a
product such as Simmtester's free DocMem
(http://www.simmtester.com/PAGE/products/doc/docinfo.asp).

In addition to the above I downloaded FreeRam

Oh dear! FreeRAM does nothing other than use resources. Memory is there
to be used. Unused memory is wasted memory.

Without understanding whats going on, it seems to me that ME is not
releasing/managing the memory properly but I dont know what to do
next. I have been watching the freeram amount while typing this but
right now it seems pretty stable at 227mb free but its orrible
thinking that whenever you are doing something on the PC it is likely
to blue-screen you at any time!!!!!

As you say, you don't quite understand what is going on and are concerning
yourself quite unnecessarily. Worrying about nothing can bring on serious
medical problems - let your PC take the strain and enjoy yourself. VBG
Have a look at Jim Eshelman's page on memory management at
http://www.aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.htm
--
Mike Maltby



KeithB wrote:

Hi Experts, hope you can help. I run Me with 512MB Ram Mcafee Virus
and Firewall. I also regularly run ad-aware, spybot and registry
mechanic on demand to try and keep my system in order.

However, I Keep getting blue screen memory (?) errors such as: Error:
0E: 0028: C002EFF7.........only thing different is the final group.

This can happen seeimingly doing almost anything on the PC.....When
writing
a DVD using Nero 6, searching the internet or almost anything. the
last time it happened I was downloading an update for spybot and
received this error:

File name: VMM(12) + 0000137E Error: 0E: 0028: C002EFF7.

I have looked back at some of the discussion threads and tried a few
tips given to others...these include...updating ME with latest MS
updates, Full Defrag, Full Virus scan, latest updates and searches
using Ad-aware and Spybot. Updated Reg Mechanic to ver 5 and cleared
out some junk, uninstalled various odds and ends not used or recently
installed but still I get this problem. I also ran simmtester
overnight and the memory passed all tests and CWShredder searched
system without finding any problems.

In addition to the above I downloaded FreeRam which shows that my
free ram seems to dwindle away prior to an 'error'. After a normal
boot up I have about 300Mb free .....this drops to about 250mb when I
start running programmes such as Nero or connecting to the internet
and right now is now showing 228mb...with just mcafee, freeram and
the connection icon in my systray. I have also used spybot startup
tool to cut down the programs which start on bootup but this is about
as far as my limited knowledge takes me.

Without understanding whats going on, it seems to me that ME is not
releasing/managing the memory properly but I dont know what to do
next. I have been watching the freeram amount while typing this but
right now it seems pretty stable at 227mb free but its orrible
thinking that whenever you are doing something on the PC it is likely
to blue-screen you at any time!!!!!

Based on that I will stop rambling now and get this posted before the
worst happens.
If any one out there can help I would be REALLY pleased.
TIA Keithb

Hi Mike M

You were extemely helpful to me when I had a problem with System Restore
quite some time ago but quite frankly, your reply to this thread doesn't do
much to help.

I might be thick but I do understand that programs use memory. What I would
appreciate is some helpful comments on why my system is not managing it
properly and some friendly advice on how I can sort it out.

Regards

KeithB

"Mike M" wrote:

KeithB wrote:

Hi its me again........I opened my email prog (Incredimail) to
complete the MS Password process so I could send the message below
and my freeram dropped to 204mb. Once completed I closed it and its
back up to 216mb!!!!!

Memory is there to be used as exemplified by your example above. If you
don't want your memory I'm pretty sure that someone else reading this
newsgroup could find a use for it if you were to remove it from your PC.
Alternatively you could always take a chip out and frame it and hang it on
the wall and look at it. :-)
--
Mike Maltby

Hi Mike

Thanks but I mentioned in my first post that I ran simmtester overnight and
it showed no errors in 26 passes. Should I try it again?

Keith

"Mike M" wrote:

File name: VMM(12) + 0000137E Error: 0E: 0028: C002EFF7.

This indicates a problem with the Virtual Memory Manager (VMM) and it's
possible that your problem is due to defective memory in which case you
might want to try testing your RAM. You can check your RAM by using a
product such as Simmtester's free DocMem
(http://www.simmtester.com/PAGE/products/doc/docinfo.asp).

In addition to the above I downloaded FreeRam

Oh dear! FreeRAM does nothing other than use resources. Memory is there
to be used. Unused memory is wasted memory.

Without understanding whats going on, it seems to me that ME is not
releasing/managing the memory properly but I dont know what to do
next. I have been watching the freeram amount while typing this but
right now it seems pretty stable at 227mb free but its orrible
thinking that whenever you are doing something on the PC it is likely
to blue-screen you at any time!!!!!

As you say, you don't quite understand what is going on and are concerning
yourself quite unnecessarily. Worrying about nothing can bring on serious
medical problems - let your PC take the strain and enjoy yourself. VBG
Have a look at Jim Eshelman's page on memory management at
http://www.aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.htm
--
Mike Maltby



KeithB wrote:

Hi Experts, hope you can help. I run Me with 512MB Ram Mcafee Virus
and Firewall. I also regularly run ad-aware, spybot and registry
mechanic on demand to try and keep my system in order.

However, I Keep getting blue screen memory (?) errors such as: Error:
0E: 0028: C002EFF7.........only thing different is the final group.

This can happen seeimingly doing almost anything on the PC.....When
writing
a DVD using Nero 6, searching the internet or almost anything. the
last time it happened I was downloading an update for spybot and
received this error:

File name: VMM(12) + 0000137E Error: 0E: 0028: C002EFF7.

I have looked back at some of the discussion threads and tried a few
tips given to others...these include...updating ME with latest MS
updates, Full Defrag, Full Virus scan, latest updates and searches
using Ad-aware and Spybot. Updated Reg Mechanic to ver 5 and cleared
out some junk, uninstalled various odds and ends not used or recently
installed but still I get this problem. I also ran simmtester
overnight and the memory passed all tests and CWShredder searched
system without finding any problems.

In addition to the above I downloaded FreeRam which shows that my
free ram seems to dwindle away prior to an 'error'. After a normal
boot up I have about 300Mb free .....this drops to about 250mb when I
start running programmes such as Nero or connecting to the internet
and right now is now showing 228mb...with just mcafee, freeram and
the connection icon in my systray. I have also used spybot startup
tool to cut down the programs which start on bootup but this is about
as far as my limited knowledge takes me.

Without understanding whats going on, it seems to me that ME is not
releasing/managing the memory properly but I dont know what to do
next. I have been watching the freeram amount while typing this but
right now it seems pretty stable at 227mb free but its orrible
thinking that whenever you are doing something on the PC it is likely
to blue-screen you at any time!!!!!

Based on that I will stop rambling now and get this posted before the
worst happens.
If any one out there can help I would be REALLY pleased.
TIA Keithb

Keith,

Please give an example of where your system is not handling memory
correctly. Nothing that you have posted to date indicates any problem
whatsoever with memory management but instead a quite understandable
failure to understand the subject hence my recommending to you that you
read Jim Eshelman's article.

Don't confuse yourself. Dump FreeRAM it doesn't help and is confusing
you. Stick with real problems such as the VMM error and check out your
RAM as I suggested.

I might be thick but I do understand that programs use memory.

Do you? So why were you surprised that using Incredimail used memory?
Memory is used for many purposes including the storage of data for quick
recovery, it isn't solely used for program code. Please understand me but
memory is there to be used and unused memory is nothing short of wasted
memory. OK, that mantra isn't so valid if you have 2GB of RAM but with
you running Win Me I somewhat doubt that to be the case and the operating
system will quite happily find good use for all the RAM it can handle,
certainly up to 512MB.
--
Mike Maltby



KeithB wrote:

Hi Mike M

You were extemely helpful to me when I had a problem with System
Restore quite some time ago but quite frankly, your reply to this
thread doesn't do much to help.

I might be thick but I do understand that programs use memory. What I
would appreciate is some helpful comments on why my system is not
managing it properly and some friendly advice on how I can sort it
out.

Hi Mike

Do you not think it is reasonable of me to try and resolve these blue screen
errors? You are absolutely right that I don't quite understand what is going
on but I thought I was doing the right thing in seeking some expert
assitance. Another thing I'm afraid I just do not understand is your comment
that I'm worrying about nothing and should let my PC take the strain! I would
do but it keeps going BLUE!!

Anyway, I will remove Freeram and have a look at Jim Eshelman's page.

Thanks
KeithB

"Mike M" wrote:

File name: VMM(12) + 0000137E Error: 0E: 0028: C002EFF7.

This indicates a problem with the Virtual Memory Manager (VMM) and it's
possible that your problem is due to defective memory in which case you
might want to try testing your RAM. You can check your RAM by using a
product such as Simmtester's free DocMem
(http://www.simmtester.com/PAGE/products/doc/docinfo.asp).

In addition to the above I downloaded FreeRam

Oh dear! FreeRAM does nothing other than use resources. Memory is there
to be used. Unused memory is wasted memory.

Without understanding whats going on, it seems to me that ME is not
releasing/managing the memory properly but I dont know what to do
next. I have been watching the freeram amount while typing this but
right now it seems pretty stable at 227mb free but its orrible
thinking that whenever you are doing something on the PC it is likely
to blue-screen you at any time!!!!!

As you say, you don't quite understand what is going on and are concerning
yourself quite unnecessarily. Worrying about nothing can bring on serious
medical problems - let your PC take the strain and enjoy yourself. VBG
Have a look at Jim Eshelman's page on memory management at
http://www.aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.htm
--
Mike Maltby



KeithB wrote:

Hi Experts, hope you can help. I run Me with 512MB Ram Mcafee Virus
and Firewall. I also regularly run ad-aware, spybot and registry
mechanic on demand to try and keep my system in order.

However, I Keep getting blue screen memory (?) errors such as: Error:
0E: 0028: C002EFF7.........only thing different is the final group.

This can happen seeimingly doing almost anything on the PC.....When
writing
a DVD using Nero 6, searching the internet or almost anything. the
last time it happened I was downloading an update for spybot and
received this error:

File name: VMM(12) + 0000137E Error: 0E: 0028: C002EFF7.

I have looked back at some of the discussion threads and tried a few
tips given to others...these include...updating ME with latest MS
updates, Full Defrag, Full Virus scan, latest updates and searches
using Ad-aware and Spybot. Updated Reg Mechanic to ver 5 and cleared
out some junk, uninstalled various odds and ends not used or recently
installed but still I get this problem. I also ran simmtester
overnight and the memory passed all tests and CWShredder searched
system without finding any problems.

In addition to the above I downloaded FreeRam which shows that my
free ram seems to dwindle away prior to an 'error'. After a normal
boot up I have about 300Mb free .....this drops to about 250mb when I
start running programmes such as Nero or connecting to the internet
and right now is now showing 228mb...with just mcafee, freeram and
the connection icon in my systray. I have also used spybot startup
tool to cut down the programs which start on bootup but this is about
as far as my limited knowledge takes me.

Without understanding whats going on, it seems to me that ME is not
releasing/managing the memory properly but I dont know what to do
next. I have been watching the freeram amount while typing this but
right now it seems pretty stable at 227mb free but its orrible
thinking that whenever you are doing something on the PC it is likely
to blue-screen you at any time!!!!!

Based on that I will stop rambling now and get this posted before the
worst happens.
If any one out there can help I would be REALLY pleased.
TIA Keithb

You might care to expand on "errors such as". For example does every
error reference VMM? Only the first of a series is relevant since in a
cascade of errors it is the first that is important with the others
usually the because of an unstable system following the first error. So
"such as" doesn't help. Exact errors only please otherwise those trying
to help are in the dark.

What worries me and why I won't be continuing to respond is your use of
products such as FreeRAM and even Registry Mechanic, the first because it
is nothing short of snake oil and the latter because of the serious damage
that it can do to a system when used by any other than the very
experienced (who would then normally not use such a product).
--
Mike Maltby



KeithB wrote:

Hi Mike

Thanks but I mentioned in my first post that I ran simmtester
overnight and it showed no errors in 26 passes. Should I try it again?

The blue screens are what need to be fixed so forget about the snake oil
and registry tools and stick to the essentials. With the further
information I have suggested you post, hopefully someone will be able to
assist. For myself I am unable to continue this thread as I have to be
elsewhere.
--
Mike Maltby



KeithB wrote:

Hi Mike

Do you not think it is reasonable of me to try and resolve these blue
screen errors? You are absolutely right that I don't quite
understand what is going on but I thought I was doing the right thing
in seeking some expert assitance. Another thing I'm afraid I just do
not understand is your comment that I'm worrying about nothing and
should let my PC take the strain! I would do but it keeps going BLUE!!

Anyway, I will remove Freeram and have a look at Jim Eshelman's page.