Help, my views got messed up and "folder options" is now restricted

On Dec 17, 2:35 pm, MEB wrote:
On 12/17/2009 12:35 AM, SlickRCBD wrote:



On Dec 16, 1:23 pm, MEB wrote:
On 12/16/2009 01:25 PM, SlickRCBD wrote:

Third attempt, this time I'm saving the draft to a text file.

The Open Office removal may have left residual issues, perhaps the
group can attend to some of those.

Office 97 remover , not Open office. My bad.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/176823/EN-US/
Did this issue seem to follow immediately after its removal or had it
occurred prior to removal?

I don't know, I haven't tried to use Folder Options on this computer
in a long time. It's an old computer, most things are set the way I
want them, and I have a newer computer that I was using more
regularly.

What other issues did you encounter during and after Open Office, and
how did you attempt to fix them [please be specific]?

Again, Office97 and the only once I noticed at first was the "find
target' and "open containing folder" features malfunctioning. I fixed
it by rerunning the Office97 installer.

---

And perhaps to better define this for the group and discussion:

Did you check your networking setups on the two remaining computers
from the previous networked and domain controlled, and after the removal
of the two {apparently} XP computers?

I have no such systems. I haven't connected to a domain in many years,
and that was a VPN connection to a corporate network that I haven't
had access to in years. The new Vista computer has never connected to
a domain.

VISTA is literally and figuratively *aggressive* in its networking.

You said there was once a domain involved; what OS originally
controlled the network and was this Win98 computer part of that
controlled domain?

The home network was never on a domain. A couple times I needed to
access a different network via my internet connection. They had
external access available through the internet with proper
authentication. I generally used the XP computer but I installed the
DSClient on Win98 just in case I needed a backup.

Did you check the *Sharing* and *Share Level* in Network settings on
the Win98 computer?
What is that present setting?

You skipped this ALL IMPORTANT SETTING.

Sorry, it was my third retyping, I was trying to do it fast as for
some reason Gmail is not showing up my posts. I wouldn't be surprised
if the previous two posts show up in a couple days. That happened once
before. I skipped this section by accident when I was starting to
retype things for the third time.

What is the present sharing status/settings? Control Panel Networking

Share Level {or was it Access Control?}.

It's Share level access control. Always been that. Never caused
problems before.

Okay, that setting is "out of the way", though please do the registry
checks regarding the former DSClient.

I'm sure this is frustrating for you, but I'm trying to eliminate the
various potentials in the order I normally review them. This discussion
has so many variables involved that it is becoming difficult to keep
track of what you have now presented...





Did you check the DSClient settings as shown by the previously linked
materials?

Huh? I only skimmed it and thought it was for downloading. I can't
find any DSclient settings

No, I provided a link with graphics to show what settings were needed
set initially AND which you can check now.

Let me re-post that segment you cut:

Looks like it was uninstalled at some point, probably back at the
beginning of March when I was trying in vein to get Win98 to access a
Vista share without crashing. The file is still present in C:\Program
Files\Microsoft\DSClient9xSetup , but it doesn't show up in Add/Remove
programs. I can try reinstalling it or just rerunning the activator at
the aforementioned location. I've still got a copy of the
DSClient.msi in my downloads folder in case I ever need to connect to
a domain It just isn't showing up in add/remove programs.

AH, DSClient was used to network with VISTA as well as MS servers. Both
used the same networking requirements.

What other protocols have you installed within the network?

What are the settings for TCP/IP on the Win98 {version?} computer

SO HOW did you un-install it, and did you check the registry for
residuals [use the graphic images and the other linked materials for
registry entries to look for, post what you find so we can determine
potential modifications]?

As for the crashing issue, as noted VISTA is "aggressive" and requires
various special settings [not generally recommended, and a study in
frustration] when accessing other OSs [such as Win98].





3. What folder/directories have you shared on the respective computers?

I have two hard drives in the 98 computer. The D drive is shared
completely full access and I rely on the Linksys' firewall to block
internet access. The C drive is shared read-only, except My Documents
which is shared full access. I tried turning the sharing off to no
effect.

You have the installed DSClient {Directory Services Client - Active
Directory Client Extension} to think about...

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/288358

http://www.petri.co.il/dsclient_for_win98_nt.htm

http://www.symantec.com/connect/blog...cation-trouble...

http://www.imss.caltech.edu/cms.php?...op=view&id=414
{see *this* for some graphic images of registry entries to check}

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/197387-46-client
{note the MS group that might be able to better help you}

AND NOTE: sharing MY DOCUMENTS is not recommended because *even in
Win9X* it holds a special OS protection scheme [same for Documents and
Settings in the newer OSs]. You have avoided the recommendations
defined by Microsoft to NOT share these for/in its networking
functions.

What diagnostics and/or fixes have you attempted in your present
network {apparently now just two computers?}?

Not much, I didn't even suspect it was a network problem. I only have
Vista Home and Win98 on the network with XP Pro on a virtual machine.
No domain controllers, so I don't see how that could be a domain
issue. There hasn't been a domain controller available since long
before the problem occurred. There has never been a DC on the LAN.
Only a remote connection made through the internet with a now dead
computer long ago in the past. I set up the Win98 machine so it could
theoretically connect, but I don't recall if I ever actually did
beyond testing, and the problem hadn't happened then and wouldn't show
up for many years. I really don't think a domain has anything to do
with it or it would have happened years ago.

Okay, I missed this previously:

You say the target OS is in a virtual machine?

So what we are looking at is the virtual machine 98 OS?

PLEASE define exactly what we are dealing with, and leave the other
machines or whatever out of it for the present time...





PLEASE check the settings so we can remove them from analysis, or work
on the problems. An "I don't think" situation doesn't remove them from
review.

As for the prior "open folder" issues, that was more likely a registry
setting that got fubarred, though Office97 WAS known to screw up Win98
systems by installing older files in *certain systems*, which is why it
comes EARLY for installation in my installation routines, so the later
updates can over-write the screwed up files.
One thing I hate is the IE3 attempted installation [I think that was
the version included].

You apparently did a re-install of Office97 and what version {PRO, or
HOME, or ...}?

What included applications did you install?

Office 97 Pro. I told it to reinstall everything, though I'd have
preferred to have it remove Binder, Access, and Outlook, none of which
I've used in years, and in the case of Binder I haven't ever used
aside from playing around with it when I first got it. I've been using
OpenOffice more than microsoft office because it can read docx files
and I needed to be able to open a powerpoint on a laptop that had come
with only Word 97 stand-alone. I should have just installed the damned
thing on the laptop and left the desktop alone. It's not like the old
version requires activation and I don't have any means of connecting
the laptop to the internet or even the LAN. The laptop lacks any sort
of ethernet NIC and I haven't had a dial-up number to dial since the
computer I'm trying to troubleshoot in this thread was brand-new. If
it was Windows XP I could have used the USB ports, but not with WIn98
First Edition. But that's a whole other issue.

Oh gosh, did you mention, or did I question the fact it was
Win98FE/Gold WITH IE6 installed?
Oh wait, this was an additional comment for a different computer, correct?

OKAY, let me see if I have this correct per the Office activities *FOR
THE COMPUTER* originally being discussed:

1. The target computer has Open Office installed AS WELL AS MS Office97?

2. You attempted to un-install Office97 using the OLD remover?

3. You reinstalled Office97 after a failed un-install?

4. You installed the FULL set of applications offered for the Office97
Professional version?

5. The "folder options" of THIS DISCUSSION issue was NOT known to exist
PRIOR to the MS Office un-install?

I know I'm overlooking something here, perhaps someone else can think
of it...


It was not known to exist, but it's POSSIBLE it existed. I can't
recall the last time I messed with folder options on the Win98SE
computer. It's been stable and I've long since configured things the
way I wanted it.

The setup and topology is as follows:
Computer 1:
Dell Optiplex GX110
Windows 98 Second edition
D drive is shared full access
C drive is shared read-only
My Documents is shared Full Access
Computer automatically boots to the desktop without a password prompt.
TweakUI is used to prevent logoff.
Access control is share-level
Network settings are set to use Quick Login
Browse Master is automatic
LM announce is yes
A static IP address is used
WINS is disabled
Gateway is set to the router's IP address (A Linksys BEFSR41)
DNS search is also set to the router's IP address
NetBIOS is permanently checked to be used and irrelevant as I can't
change that tab
Advanced has "Allow Binding to ATM" set to "No", whatever that means
in this context. I don't see how the three possible meanings I know
for "ATM" could apply to the TCP/IP properties for my built-in
ETHERNET [psudo]-card.
Bindings are set to "Client for Microsoft Networks" and "File and
printer sharing for Microsoft networks"

There's another Ethernet card installed in the computer, but it's
unused and disabled in device manager. I was troubleshooting many
years ago and made an error that made me think the built-in Ethernet
was broken. It was an ID10T error of downloading the WRONG drivers
from Dell's website when I tried reinstalling them. I never bothered
to pull the card, although it wouldn't surprise me if the RJ-45 port
needed to be air-blasted of the dust.


The other relevant computer on the network is a Gateway DX4200
(according to the system control panel, it just says Gateway DX on the
front and I honestly can't recall the number)
Windows Vista Home Premium.
Somehow it's gone back to Service Pack 1 even though I swear I
upgraded it last summer to SP2. Must have been when I used System
Restore after that FUBAR with that G-something Microsoft update back
in September. Although in Microsoft's defense, they did have a new
update the next day.
I was hoping to try my new Windows 7 Professional upgrade CD this
weekend, so I don't know that I"m going to bother to fix that.
The Vista computer is still using DHCP as there hasn't been a need for
a static IP...Yet.


That Vista computer has Virtual PC installed
Virtual PC has Windows XP Professional installed that was upgraded to
Service Pack 3. I don't recall if the CD was SP1 or no SP, but it's
not important.
I routinely use the XP virtual machine as a transfer point due to
various difficulties with Vista. If I download an update that will run
on both computers.

I also have a virtual machine with a complete XCOPY backup of the
real computer's hard drive, but unfortunately I discovered the folder
options problem AFTER I made the latest backup and should have kept an
older backup around, but like a fool, I did not. Although in my
defense, I was unaware of any problems at the time I made the backup,
so I thought I was preserving a "good" configuration in case something
like this happens. The idea behind doing this was to take advantage of
the Gateway's larger hard drive by having a backup for the old
computer that I could use to overwrite any corrupted files with and
not have to reinstall everything.
Good in theory, and if my test hadn't shown that the virtual machine
has the same problem, I would have simply overwritten the C:\windows
folder with the contents of the backup before now. If necessary I'd
burn it to a CD and then use a boot disk with CD-ROM support to
accomplish the goal.

The systems are connected via a LinkSys BEFSR41 wired "Etherfast
cable/DSL router with 4 port switch".

There is also a PowerMac 6500 connected to the switch set to a static
IP. Mac OS 8.6, rarely Yellow Dog Linux 2.1. No ability to get on the
lan in Mac OS, Win98SE can access a SAMBA share in Linux as can XP,
but Vista doesn't recognize it. I rarely use it unless I'm trying to
transfer something between the Mac and Windows, and most of the time
it's kept in Mac mode and used as a TV set, also for AIM so I don't
have to interrupt what I'm doing on the other computer's screens. It
doesn't get used for much else these days, and the Dell and the Mac
have coexisted on this LAN sharing the internet connection since said
Dell was new. I doubt the Mac is causing problems as it hasn't had
much of a configuration change in at least 3 years. No new software,
updates, etc.

On Dec 17, 2:35 pm, MEB wrote:
On 12/17/2009 12:35 AM, SlickRCBD wrote:



On Dec 16, 1:23 pm, MEB wrote:
On 12/16/2009 01:25 PM, SlickRCBD wrote:

Third attempt, this time I'm saving the draft to a text file.

The Open Office removal may have left residual issues, perhaps the
group can attend to some of those.

Office 97 remover , not Open office. My bad.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/176823/EN-US/
Did this issue seem to follow immediately after its removal or had it
occurred prior to removal?

I don't know, I haven't tried to use Folder Options on this computer
in a long time. It's an old computer, most things are set the way I
want them, and I have a newer computer that I was using more
regularly.

What other issues did you encounter during and after Open Office, and
how did you attempt to fix them [please be specific]?

Again, Office97 and the only once I noticed at first was the "find
target' and "open containing folder" features malfunctioning. I fixed
it by rerunning the Office97 installer.

---

And perhaps to better define this for the group and discussion:

Did you check your networking setups on the two remaining computers
from the previous networked and domain controlled, and after the removal
of the two {apparently} XP computers?

I have no such systems. I haven't connected to a domain in many years,
and that was a VPN connection to a corporate network that I haven't
had access to in years. The new Vista computer has never connected to
a domain.

VISTA is literally and figuratively *aggressive* in its networking.

You said there was once a domain involved; what OS originally
controlled the network and was this Win98 computer part of that
controlled domain?

The home network was never on a domain. A couple times I needed to
access a different network via my internet connection. They had
external access available through the internet with proper
authentication. I generally used the XP computer but I installed the
DSClient on Win98 just in case I needed a backup.

Did you check the *Sharing* and *Share Level* in Network settings on
the Win98 computer?
What is that present setting?

You skipped this ALL IMPORTANT SETTING.

Sorry, it was my third retyping, I was trying to do it fast as for
some reason Gmail is not showing up my posts. I wouldn't be surprised
if the previous two posts show up in a couple days. That happened once
before. I skipped this section by accident when I was starting to
retype things for the third time.

What is the present sharing status/settings? Control Panel Networking

Share Level {or was it Access Control?}.

It's Share level access control. Always been that. Never caused
problems before.

Okay, that setting is "out of the way", though please do the registry
checks regarding the former DSClient.

I'm sure this is frustrating for you, but I'm trying to eliminate the
various potentials in the order I normally review them. This discussion
has so many variables involved that it is becoming difficult to keep
track of what you have now presented...





Did you check the DSClient settings as shown by the previously linked
materials?

Huh? I only skimmed it and thought it was for downloading. I can't
find any DSclient settings

No, I provided a link with graphics to show what settings were needed
set initially AND which you can check now.

Let me re-post that segment you cut:

Looks like it was uninstalled at some point, probably back at the
beginning of March when I was trying in vein to get Win98 to access a
Vista share without crashing. The file is still present in C:\Program
Files\Microsoft\DSClient9xSetup , but it doesn't show up in Add/Remove
programs. I can try reinstalling it or just rerunning the activator at
the aforementioned location. I've still got a copy of the
DSClient.msi in my downloads folder in case I ever need to connect to
a domain It just isn't showing up in add/remove programs.

AH, DSClient was used to network with VISTA as well as MS servers. Both
used the same networking requirements.

What other protocols have you installed within the network?

What are the settings for TCP/IP on the Win98 {version?} computer

SO HOW did you un-install it, and did you check the registry for
residuals [use the graphic images and the other linked materials for
registry entries to look for, post what you find so we can determine
potential modifications]?

As for the crashing issue, as noted VISTA is "aggressive" and requires
various special settings [not generally recommended, and a study in
frustration] when accessing other OSs [such as Win98].





3. What folder/directories have you shared on the respective computers?

I have two hard drives in the 98 computer. The D drive is shared
completely full access and I rely on the Linksys' firewall to block
internet access. The C drive is shared read-only, except My Documents
which is shared full access. I tried turning the sharing off to no
effect.

You have the installed DSClient {Directory Services Client - Active
Directory Client Extension} to think about...

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/288358

http://www.petri.co.il/dsclient_for_win98_nt.htm

http://www.symantec.com/connect/blog...cation-trouble...

http://www.imss.caltech.edu/cms.php?...op=view&id=414
{see *this* for some graphic images of registry entries to check}

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/197387-46-client
{note the MS group that might be able to better help you}

AND NOTE: sharing MY DOCUMENTS is not recommended because *even in
Win9X* it holds a special OS protection scheme [same for Documents and
Settings in the newer OSs]. You have avoided the recommendations
defined by Microsoft to NOT share these for/in its networking
functions.

What diagnostics and/or fixes have you attempted in your present
network {apparently now just two computers?}?

Not much, I didn't even suspect it was a network problem. I only have
Vista Home and Win98 on the network with XP Pro on a virtual machine.
No domain controllers, so I don't see how that could be a domain
issue. There hasn't been a domain controller available since long
before the problem occurred. There has never been a DC on the LAN.
Only a remote connection made through the internet with a now dead
computer long ago in the past. I set up the Win98 machine so it could
theoretically connect, but I don't recall if I ever actually did
beyond testing, and the problem hadn't happened then and wouldn't show
up for many years. I really don't think a domain has anything to do
with it or it would have happened years ago.

Okay, I missed this previously:

You say the target OS is in a virtual machine?

So what we are looking at is the virtual machine 98 OS?

PLEASE define exactly what we are dealing with, and leave the other
machines or whatever out of it for the present time...





PLEASE check the settings so we can remove them from analysis, or work
on the problems. An "I don't think" situation doesn't remove them from
review.

As for the prior "open folder" issues, that was more likely a registry
setting that got fubarred, though Office97 WAS known to screw up Win98
systems by installing older files in *certain systems*, which is why it
comes EARLY for installation in my installation routines, so the later
updates can over-write the screwed up files.
One thing I hate is the IE3 attempted installation [I think that was
the version included].

You apparently did a re-install of Office97 and what version {PRO, or
HOME, or ...}?

What included applications did you install?

Office 97 Pro. I told it to reinstall everything, though I'd have
preferred to have it remove Binder, Access, and Outlook, none of which
I've used in years, and in the case of Binder I haven't ever used
aside from playing around with it when I first got it. I've been using
OpenOffice more than microsoft office because it can read docx files
and I needed to be able to open a powerpoint on a laptop that had come
with only Word 97 stand-alone. I should have just installed the damned
thing on the laptop and left the desktop alone. It's not like the old
version requires activation and I don't have any means of connecting
the laptop to the internet or even the LAN. The laptop lacks any sort
of ethernet NIC and I haven't had a dial-up number to dial since the
computer I'm trying to troubleshoot in this thread was brand-new. If
it was Windows XP I could have used the USB ports, but not with WIn98
First Edition. But that's a whole other issue.

Oh gosh, did you mention, or did I question the fact it was
Win98FE/Gold WITH IE6 installed?
Oh wait, this was an additional comment for a different computer, correct?

OKAY, let me see if I have this correct per the Office activities *FOR
THE COMPUTER* originally being discussed:

1. The target computer has Open Office installed AS WELL AS MS Office97?

2. You attempted to un-install Office97 using the OLD remover?

3. You reinstalled Office97 after a failed un-install?

4. You installed the FULL set of applications offered for the Office97
Professional version?

5. The "folder options" of THIS DISCUSSION issue was NOT known to exist
PRIOR to the MS Office un-install?

I know I'm overlooking something here, perhaps someone else can think
of it...


It was not known to exist, but it's POSSIBLE it existed. I can't
recall the last time I messed with folder options on the Win98SE
computer. It's been stable and I've long since configured things the
way I wanted it.

The setup and topology is as follows:
Computer 1:
Dell Optiplex GX110
Windows 98 Second edition
D drive is shared full access
C drive is shared read-only
My Documents is shared Full Access
Computer automatically boots to the desktop without a password prompt.
TweakUI is used to prevent logoff.
Access control is share-level
Network settings are set to use Quick Login
Browse Master is automatic
LM announce is yes
A static IP address is used
WINS is disabled
Gateway is set to the router's IP address (A Linksys BEFSR41)
DNS search is also set to the router's IP address
NetBIOS is permanently checked to be used and irrelevant as I can't
change that tab
Advanced has "Allow Binding to ATM" set to "No", whatever that means
in this context. I don't see how the three possible meanings I know
for "ATM" could apply to the TCP/IP properties for my built-in
ETHERNET [psudo]-card.
Bindings are set to "Client for Microsoft Networks" and "File and
printer sharing for Microsoft networks"

There's another Ethernet card installed in the computer, but it's
unused and disabled in device manager. I was troubleshooting many
years ago and made an error that made me think the built-in Ethernet
was broken. It was an ID10T error of downloading the WRONG drivers
from Dell's website when I tried reinstalling them. I never bothered
to pull the card, although it wouldn't surprise me if the RJ-45 port
needed to be air-blasted of the dust.


The other relevant computer on the network is a Gateway DX4200
(according to the system control panel, it just says Gateway DX on the
front and I honestly can't recall the number)
Windows Vista Home Premium.
Somehow it's gone back to Service Pack 1 even though I swear I
upgraded it last summer to SP2. Must have been when I used System
Restore after that FUBAR with that G-something Microsoft update back
in September. Although in Microsoft's defense, they did have a new
update the next day.
I was hoping to try my new Windows 7 Professional upgrade CD this
weekend, so I don't know that I"m going to bother to fix that.
The Vista computer is still using DHCP as there hasn't been a need for
a static IP...Yet.


That Vista computer has Virtual PC installed
Virtual PC has Windows XP Professional installed that was upgraded to
Service Pack 3. I don't recall if the CD was SP1 or no SP, but it's
not important.
I routinely use the XP virtual machine as a transfer point due to
various difficulties with Vista. If I download an update that will run
on both computers.

I also have a virtual machine with a complete XCOPY backup of the
real computer's hard drive, but unfortunately I discovered the folder
options problem AFTER I made the latest backup and should have kept an
older backup around, but like a fool, I did not. Although in my
defense, I was unaware of any problems at the time I made the backup,
so I thought I was preserving a "good" configuration in case something
like this happens. The idea behind doing this was to take advantage of
the Gateway's larger hard drive by having a backup for the old
computer that I could use to overwrite any corrupted files with and
not have to reinstall everything.
Good in theory, and if my test hadn't shown that the virtual machine
has the same problem, I would have simply overwritten the C:\windows
folder with the contents of the backup before now. If necessary I'd
burn it to a CD and then use a boot disk with CD-ROM support to
accomplish the goal.

The systems are connected via a LinkSys BEFSR41 wired "Etherfast
cable/DSL router with 4 port switch".

There is also a PowerMac 6500 connected to the switch set to a static
IP. Mac OS 8.6, rarely Yellow Dog Linux 2.1. No ability to get on the
lan in Mac OS, Win98SE can access a SAMBA share in Linux as can XP,
but Vista doesn't recognize it. I rarely use it unless I'm trying to
transfer something between the Mac and Windows, and most of the time
it's kept in Mac mode and used as a TV set, also for AIM so I don't
have to interrupt what I'm doing on the other computer's screens. It
doesn't get used for much else these days, and the Dell and the Mac
have coexisted on this LAN sharing the internet connection since said
Dell was new. I doubt the Mac is causing problems as it hasn't had
much of a configuration change in at least 3 years. No new software,
updates, etc.

On Dec 17, 2:35 pm, MEB wrote:
On 12/17/2009 12:35 AM, SlickRCBD wrote:



On Dec 16, 1:23 pm, MEB wrote:
On 12/16/2009 01:25 PM, SlickRCBD wrote:

Third attempt, this time I'm saving the draft to a text file.

The Open Office removal may have left residual issues, perhaps the
group can attend to some of those.

Office 97 remover , not Open office. My bad.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/176823/EN-US/
Did this issue seem to follow immediately after its removal or had it
occurred prior to removal?

I don't know, I haven't tried to use Folder Options on this computer
in a long time. It's an old computer, most things are set the way I
want them, and I have a newer computer that I was using more
regularly.

What other issues did you encounter during and after Open Office, and
how did you attempt to fix them [please be specific]?

Again, Office97 and the only once I noticed at first was the "find
target' and "open containing folder" features malfunctioning. I fixed
it by rerunning the Office97 installer.

---

And perhaps to better define this for the group and discussion:

Did you check your networking setups on the two remaining computers
from the previous networked and domain controlled, and after the removal
of the two {apparently} XP computers?

I have no such systems. I haven't connected to a domain in many years,
and that was a VPN connection to a corporate network that I haven't
had access to in years. The new Vista computer has never connected to
a domain.

VISTA is literally and figuratively *aggressive* in its networking.

You said there was once a domain involved; what OS originally
controlled the network and was this Win98 computer part of that
controlled domain?

The home network was never on a domain. A couple times I needed to
access a different network via my internet connection. They had
external access available through the internet with proper
authentication. I generally used the XP computer but I installed the
DSClient on Win98 just in case I needed a backup.

Did you check the *Sharing* and *Share Level* in Network settings on
the Win98 computer?
What is that present setting?

You skipped this ALL IMPORTANT SETTING.

Sorry, it was my third retyping, I was trying to do it fast as for
some reason Gmail is not showing up my posts. I wouldn't be surprised
if the previous two posts show up in a couple days. That happened once
before. I skipped this section by accident when I was starting to
retype things for the third time.

What is the present sharing status/settings? Control Panel Networking

Share Level {or was it Access Control?}.

It's Share level access control. Always been that. Never caused
problems before.

Okay, that setting is "out of the way", though please do the registry
checks regarding the former DSClient.

I'm sure this is frustrating for you, but I'm trying to eliminate the
various potentials in the order I normally review them. This discussion
has so many variables involved that it is becoming difficult to keep
track of what you have now presented...





Did you check the DSClient settings as shown by the previously linked
materials?

Huh? I only skimmed it and thought it was for downloading. I can't
find any DSclient settings

No, I provided a link with graphics to show what settings were needed
set initially AND which you can check now.

Let me re-post that segment you cut:

Looks like it was uninstalled at some point, probably back at the
beginning of March when I was trying in vein to get Win98 to access a
Vista share without crashing. The file is still present in C:\Program
Files\Microsoft\DSClient9xSetup , but it doesn't show up in Add/Remove
programs. I can try reinstalling it or just rerunning the activator at
the aforementioned location. I've still got a copy of the
DSClient.msi in my downloads folder in case I ever need to connect to
a domain It just isn't showing up in add/remove programs.

AH, DSClient was used to network with VISTA as well as MS servers. Both
used the same networking requirements.

What other protocols have you installed within the network?

What are the settings for TCP/IP on the Win98 {version?} computer

SO HOW did you un-install it, and did you check the registry for
residuals [use the graphic images and the other linked materials for
registry entries to look for, post what you find so we can determine
potential modifications]?

As for the crashing issue, as noted VISTA is "aggressive" and requires
various special settings [not generally recommended, and a study in
frustration] when accessing other OSs [such as Win98].





3. What folder/directories have you shared on the respective computers?

I have two hard drives in the 98 computer. The D drive is shared
completely full access and I rely on the Linksys' firewall to block
internet access. The C drive is shared read-only, except My Documents
which is shared full access. I tried turning the sharing off to no
effect.

You have the installed DSClient {Directory Services Client - Active
Directory Client Extension} to think about...

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/288358

http://www.petri.co.il/dsclient_for_win98_nt.htm

http://www.symantec.com/connect/blog...cation-trouble....

http://www.imss.caltech.edu/cms.php?...op=view&id=414
{see *this* for some graphic images of registry entries to check}

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/197387-46-client
{note the MS group that might be able to better help you}

AND NOTE: sharing MY DOCUMENTS is not recommended because *even in
Win9X* it holds a special OS protection scheme [same for Documents and
Settings in the newer OSs]. You have avoided the recommendations
defined by Microsoft to NOT share these for/in its networking
functions.

What diagnostics and/or fixes have you attempted in your present
network {apparently now just two computers?}?

Not much, I didn't even suspect it was a network problem. I only have
Vista Home and Win98 on the network with XP Pro on a virtual machine.
No domain controllers, so I don't see how that could be a domain
issue. There hasn't been a domain controller available since long
before the problem occurred. There has never been a DC on the LAN.
Only a remote connection made through the internet with a now dead
computer long ago in the past. I set up the Win98 machine so it could
theoretically connect, but I don't recall if I ever actually did
beyond testing, and the problem hadn't happened then and wouldn't show
up for many years. I really don't think a domain has anything to do
with it or it would have happened years ago.

Okay, I missed this previously:

You say the target OS is in a virtual machine?

So what we are looking at is the virtual machine 98 OS?

PLEASE define exactly what we are dealing with, and leave the other
machines or whatever out of it for the present time...





PLEASE check the settings so we can remove them from analysis, or work
on the problems. An "I don't think" situation doesn't remove them from
review.

As for the prior "open folder" issues, that was more likely a registry
setting that got fubarred, though Office97 WAS known to screw up Win98
systems by installing older files in *certain systems*, which is why it
comes EARLY for installation in my installation routines, so the later
updates can over-write the screwed up files.
One thing I hate is the IE3 attempted installation [I think that was
the version included].

You apparently did a re-install of Office97 and what version {PRO, or
HOME, or ...}?

What included applications did you install?

Office 97 Pro. I told it to reinstall everything, though I'd have
preferred to have it remove Binder, Access, and Outlook, none of which
I've used in years, and in the case of Binder I haven't ever used
aside from playing around with it when I first got it. I've been using
OpenOffice more than microsoft office because it can read docx files
and I needed to be able to open a powerpoint on a laptop that had come
with only Word 97 stand-alone. I should have just installed the damned
thing on the laptop and left the desktop alone. It's not like the old
version requires activation and I don't have any means of connecting
the laptop to the internet or even the LAN. The laptop lacks any sort
of ethernet NIC and I haven't had a dial-up number to dial since the
computer I'm trying to troubleshoot in this thread was brand-new. If
it was Windows XP I could have used the USB ports, but not with WIn98
First Edition. But that's a whole other issue.

Oh gosh, did you mention, or did I question the fact it was
Win98FE/Gold WITH IE6 installed?
Oh wait, this was an additional comment for a different computer, correct?

OKAY, let me see if I have this correct per the Office activities *FOR
THE COMPUTER* originally being discussed:

1. The target computer has Open Office installed AS WELL AS MS Office97?

2. You attempted to un-install Office97 using the OLD remover?

3. You reinstalled Office97 after a failed un-install?

4. You installed the FULL set of applications offered for the Office97
Professional version?

5. The "folder options" of THIS DISCUSSION issue was NOT known to exist
PRIOR to the MS Office un-install?

I know I'm overlooking something here, perhaps someone else can think
of it...



Anyways, I'm pretty sure i used the old one.

---

Sorry for these, but it may help the group better define the avenues of
pursuit.

--
MEB

...

read more »

OOps, I hit send too soon.

I have both Open Office 2.4.2 and Office 97 Professional on the Dell.
I installed Open Office so I could open docx files on the Win98SE
computer. I wanted to move Office 97 to an ancient laptop somebody
gave me that only had the stand-alone copy of Word on it as I needed
to do a powerpoint and wasn't sure if I'd have access to a computer to
stick my flash point on. I tried to remove Office 97 and failed. I
reinstalled it with everything. Due to the difficulities removing it,
I didn't chance trying to only install what I use. So, I've got
Access, Binder, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook, and Word installed.

I don't recall anymore what I used, something from here;
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/158658/EN-US/
whatever was designed for Office 97 on Win98, or so it claimed. It
FUBARed things, so I reinstalled. The folder options problem may or
may not have existed prior to that, I can't recall the last time I
would have noticed it. The Dell isn't my current computer anymore, and
I don't mess with folder options that much on either computer once I
get the default set the way I want them.

On Dec 17, 2:35 pm, MEB wrote:
On 12/17/2009 12:35 AM, SlickRCBD wrote:



On Dec 16, 1:23 pm, MEB wrote:
On 12/16/2009 01:25 PM, SlickRCBD wrote:

Third attempt, this time I'm saving the draft to a text file.

The Open Office removal may have left residual issues, perhaps the
group can attend to some of those.

Office 97 remover , not Open office. My bad.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/176823/EN-US/
Did this issue seem to follow immediately after its removal or had it
occurred prior to removal?

I don't know, I haven't tried to use Folder Options on this computer
in a long time. It's an old computer, most things are set the way I
want them, and I have a newer computer that I was using more
regularly.

What other issues did you encounter during and after Open Office, and
how did you attempt to fix them [please be specific]?

Again, Office97 and the only once I noticed at first was the "find
target' and "open containing folder" features malfunctioning. I fixed
it by rerunning the Office97 installer.

---

And perhaps to better define this for the group and discussion:

Did you check your networking setups on the two remaining computers
from the previous networked and domain controlled, and after the removal
of the two {apparently} XP computers?

I have no such systems. I haven't connected to a domain in many years,
and that was a VPN connection to a corporate network that I haven't
had access to in years. The new Vista computer has never connected to
a domain.

VISTA is literally and figuratively *aggressive* in its networking.

You said there was once a domain involved; what OS originally
controlled the network and was this Win98 computer part of that
controlled domain?

The home network was never on a domain. A couple times I needed to
access a different network via my internet connection. They had
external access available through the internet with proper
authentication. I generally used the XP computer but I installed the
DSClient on Win98 just in case I needed a backup.

Did you check the *Sharing* and *Share Level* in Network settings on
the Win98 computer?
What is that present setting?

You skipped this ALL IMPORTANT SETTING.

Sorry, it was my third retyping, I was trying to do it fast as for
some reason Gmail is not showing up my posts. I wouldn't be surprised
if the previous two posts show up in a couple days. That happened once
before. I skipped this section by accident when I was starting to
retype things for the third time.

What is the present sharing status/settings? Control Panel Networking

Share Level {or was it Access Control?}.

It's Share level access control. Always been that. Never caused
problems before.

Okay, that setting is "out of the way", though please do the registry
checks regarding the former DSClient.

I'm sure this is frustrating for you, but I'm trying to eliminate the
various potentials in the order I normally review them. This discussion
has so many variables involved that it is becoming difficult to keep
track of what you have now presented...





Did you check the DSClient settings as shown by the previously linked
materials?

Huh? I only skimmed it and thought it was for downloading. I can't
find any DSclient settings

No, I provided a link with graphics to show what settings were needed
set initially AND which you can check now.

Let me re-post that segment you cut:

Looks like it was uninstalled at some point, probably back at the
beginning of March when I was trying in vein to get Win98 to access a
Vista share without crashing. The file is still present in C:\Program
Files\Microsoft\DSClient9xSetup , but it doesn't show up in Add/Remove
programs. I can try reinstalling it or just rerunning the activator at
the aforementioned location. I've still got a copy of the
DSClient.msi in my downloads folder in case I ever need to connect to
a domain It just isn't showing up in add/remove programs.

AH, DSClient was used to network with VISTA as well as MS servers. Both
used the same networking requirements.

What other protocols have you installed within the network?

What are the settings for TCP/IP on the Win98 {version?} computer

SO HOW did you un-install it, and did you check the registry for
residuals [use the graphic images and the other linked materials for
registry entries to look for, post what you find so we can determine
potential modifications]?

As for the crashing issue, as noted VISTA is "aggressive" and requires
various special settings [not generally recommended, and a study in
frustration] when accessing other OSs [such as Win98].





3. What folder/directories have you shared on the respective computers?

I have two hard drives in the 98 computer. The D drive is shared
completely full access and I rely on the Linksys' firewall to block
internet access. The C drive is shared read-only, except My Documents
which is shared full access. I tried turning the sharing off to no
effect.

You have the installed DSClient {Directory Services Client - Active
Directory Client Extension} to think about...

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/288358

http://www.petri.co.il/dsclient_for_win98_nt.htm

http://www.symantec.com/connect/blog...cation-trouble....

http://www.imss.caltech.edu/cms.php?...op=view&id=414
{see *this* for some graphic images of registry entries to check}

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/197387-46-client
{note the MS group that might be able to better help you}

AND NOTE: sharing MY DOCUMENTS is not recommended because *even in
Win9X* it holds a special OS protection scheme [same for Documents and
Settings in the newer OSs]. You have avoided the recommendations
defined by Microsoft to NOT share these for/in its networking
functions.

What diagnostics and/or fixes have you attempted in your present
network {apparently now just two computers?}?

Not much, I didn't even suspect it was a network problem. I only have
Vista Home and Win98 on the network with XP Pro on a virtual machine.
No domain controllers, so I don't see how that could be a domain
issue. There hasn't been a domain controller available since long
before the problem occurred. There has never been a DC on the LAN.
Only a remote connection made through the internet with a now dead
computer long ago in the past. I set up the Win98 machine so it could
theoretically connect, but I don't recall if I ever actually did
beyond testing, and the problem hadn't happened then and wouldn't show
up for many years. I really don't think a domain has anything to do
with it or it would have happened years ago.

Okay, I missed this previously:

You say the target OS is in a virtual machine?

So what we are looking at is the virtual machine 98 OS?

PLEASE define exactly what we are dealing with, and leave the other
machines or whatever out of it for the present time...





PLEASE check the settings so we can remove them from analysis, or work
on the problems. An "I don't think" situation doesn't remove them from
review.

As for the prior "open folder" issues, that was more likely a registry
setting that got fubarred, though Office97 WAS known to screw up Win98
systems by installing older files in *certain systems*, which is why it
comes EARLY for installation in my installation routines, so the later
updates can over-write the screwed up files.
One thing I hate is the IE3 attempted installation [I think that was
the version included].

You apparently did a re-install of Office97 and what version {PRO, or
HOME, or ...}?

What included applications did you install?

Office 97 Pro. I told it to reinstall everything, though I'd have
preferred to have it remove Binder, Access, and Outlook, none of which
I've used in years, and in the case of Binder I haven't ever used
aside from playing around with it when I first got it. I've been using
OpenOffice more than microsoft office because it can read docx files
and I needed to be able to open a powerpoint on a laptop that had come
with only Word 97 stand-alone. I should have just installed the damned
thing on the laptop and left the desktop alone. It's not like the old
version requires activation and I don't have any means of connecting
the laptop to the internet or even the LAN. The laptop lacks any sort
of ethernet NIC and I haven't had a dial-up number to dial since the
computer I'm trying to troubleshoot in this thread was brand-new. If
it was Windows XP I could have used the USB ports, but not with WIn98
First Edition. But that's a whole other issue.

Oh gosh, did you mention, or did I question the fact it was
Win98FE/Gold WITH IE6 installed?
Oh wait, this was an additional comment for a different computer, correct?

OKAY, let me see if I have this correct per the Office activities *FOR
THE COMPUTER* originally being discussed:

1. The target computer has Open Office installed AS WELL AS MS Office97?

2. You attempted to un-install Office97 using the OLD remover?

3. You reinstalled Office97 after a failed un-install?

4. You installed the FULL set of applications offered for the Office97
Professional version?

5. The "folder options" of THIS DISCUSSION issue was NOT known to exist
PRIOR to the MS Office un-install?

I know I'm overlooking something here, perhaps someone else can think
of it...



Anyways, I'm pretty sure i used the old one.

---

Sorry for these, but it may help the group better define the avenues of
pursuit.

--
MEB

...

read more »

OOps, I hit send too soon.

I have both Open Office 2.4.2 and Office 97 Professional on the Dell.
I installed Open Office so I could open docx files on the Win98SE
computer. I wanted to move Office 97 to an ancient laptop somebody
gave me that only had the stand-alone copy of Word on it as I needed
to do a powerpoint and wasn't sure if I'd have access to a computer to
stick my flash point on. I tried to remove Office 97 and failed. I
reinstalled it with everything. Due to the difficulities removing it,
I didn't chance trying to only install what I use. So, I've got
Access, Binder, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook, and Word installed.

I don't recall anymore what I used, something from here;
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/158658/EN-US/
whatever was designed for Office 97 on Win98, or so it claimed. It
FUBARed things, so I reinstalled. The folder options problem may or
may not have existed prior to that, I can't recall the last time I
would have noticed it. The Dell isn't my current computer anymore, and
I don't mess with folder options that much on either computer once I
get the default set the way I want them.

Sorry for this, but both relevant posts have been placed into one.
Segments have been cut to still potentially relevant sections and more
will be cut shortly...

On 12/19/2009 06:29 PM, SlickRCBD wrote:
On Dec 17, 2:35 pm, MEB wrote:
On 12/17/2009 12:35 AM, SlickRCBD wrote:



On Dec 16, 1:23 pm, MEB wrote:
On 12/16/2009 01:25 PM, SlickRCBD wrote:

Third attempt, this time I'm saving the draft to a text file.

The Open Office removal may have left residual issues, perhaps the
group can attend to some of those.

Office 97 remover , not Open office. My bad.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/176823/EN-US/
Did this issue seem to follow immediately after its removal or had it
occurred prior to removal?

I don't know, I haven't tried to use Folder Options on this computer
in a long time. It's an old computer, most things are set the way I
want them, and I have a newer computer that I was using more
regularly.


And perhaps to better define this for the group and discussion:

Did you check your networking setups on the two remaining computers
from the previous networked and domain controlled, and after the removal
of the two {apparently} XP computers?

I have no such systems. I haven't connected to a domain in many years,
and that was a VPN connection to a corporate network that I haven't
had access to in years. The new Vista computer has never connected to
a domain.

VISTA is literally and figuratively *aggressive* in its networking.

You said there was once a domain involved; what OS originally
controlled the network and was this Win98 computer part of that
controlled domain?

The home network was never on a domain. A couple times I needed to
access a different network via my internet connection. They had
external access available through the internet with proper
authentication. I generally used the XP computer but I installed the
DSClient on Win98 just in case I needed a backup.

Did you check the *Sharing* and *Share Level* in Network settings on
the Win98 computer?
What is that present setting?

You skipped this ALL IMPORTANT SETTING.

Sorry, it was my third retyping, I was trying to do it fast as for
some reason Gmail is not showing up my posts. I wouldn't be surprised
if the previous two posts show up in a couple days. That happened once
before. I skipped this section by accident when I was starting to
retype things for the third time.

What is the present sharing status/settings? Control Panel Networking

Share Level {or was it Access Control?}.

It's Share level access control. Always been that. Never caused
problems before.

Okay, that setting is "out of the way", though please do the registry
checks regarding the former DSClient.

I'm sure this is frustrating for you, but I'm trying to eliminate the
various potentials in the order I normally review them. This discussion
has so many variables involved that it is becoming difficult to keep
track of what you have now presented...

Did you check the DSClient settings as shown by the previously linked
materials?


Looks like it was uninstalled at some point, probably back at the
beginning of March when I was trying in vein to get Win98 to access a
Vista share without crashing. The file is still present in C:\Program
Files\Microsoft\DSClient9xSetup , but it doesn't show up in Add/Remove
programs. I can try reinstalling it or just rerunning the activator at
the aforementioned location. I've still got a copy of the
DSClient.msi in my downloads folder in case I ever need to connect to
a domain It just isn't showing up in add/remove programs.

AH, DSClient was used to network with VISTA as well as MS servers. Both
used the same networking requirements.

What other protocols have you installed within the network?

What are the settings for TCP/IP on the Win98 {version?} computer

SO HOW did you un-install it, and did you check the registry for
residuals [use the graphic images and the other linked materials for
registry entries to look for, post what you find so we can determine
potential modifications]?

As for the crashing issue, as noted VISTA is "aggressive" and requires
various special settings [not generally recommended, and a study in
frustration] when accessing other OSs [such as Win98].


3. What folder/directories have you shared on the respective computers?

I have two hard drives in the 98 computer. The D drive is shared
completely full access and I rely on the Linksys' firewall to block
internet access. The C drive is shared read-only, except My Documents
which is shared full access. I tried turning the sharing off to no
effect.

You have the installed DSClient {Directory Services Client - Active
Directory Client Extension} to think about...

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/288358

http://www.petri.co.il/dsclient_for_win98_nt.htm

http://www.symantec.com/connect/blog...cation-trouble....

http://www.imss.caltech.edu/cms.php?...op=view&id=414
{see *this* for some graphic images of registry entries to check}

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/197387-46-client
{note the MS group that might be able to better help you}

AND NOTE: sharing MY DOCUMENTS is not recommended because *even in
Win9X* it holds a special OS protection scheme [same for Documents and
Settings in the newer OSs]. You have avoided the recommendations
defined by Microsoft to NOT share these for/in its networking
functions.

What diagnostics and/or fixes have you attempted in your present
network {apparently now just two computers?}?

Not much, I didn't even suspect it was a network problem. I only have
Vista Home and Win98 on the network with XP Pro on a virtual machine.
No domain controllers, so I don't see how that could be a domain
issue. There hasn't been a domain controller available since long
before the problem occurred. There has never been a DC on the LAN.
Only a remote connection made through the internet with a now dead
computer long ago in the past. I set up the Win98 machine so it could
theoretically connect, but I don't recall if I ever actually did
beyond testing, and the problem hadn't happened then and wouldn't show
up for many years. I really don't think a domain has anything to do
with it or it would have happened years ago.

PLEASE check the settings so we can remove them from analysis, or work
on the problems. An "I don't think" situation doesn't remove them from
review.

As for the prior "open folder" issues, that was more likely a registry
setting that got fubarred, though Office97 WAS known to screw up Win98
systems by installing older files in *certain systems*, which is why it
comes EARLY for installation in my installation routines, so the later
updates can over-write the screwed up files.
One thing I hate is the IE3 attempted installation [I think that was
the version included].

You apparently did a re-install of Office97 and what version {PRO, or
HOME, or ...}?

What included applications did you install?

Office 97 Pro. I told it to reinstall everything, though I'd have
preferred to have it remove Binder, Access, and Outlook, none of which
I've used in years, and in the case of Binder I haven't ever used
aside from playing around with it when I first got it. I've been using
OpenOffice more than microsoft office because it can read docx files
and I needed to be able to open a powerpoint on a laptop that had come
with only Word 97 stand-alone. I should have just installed the damned
thing on the laptop and left the desktop alone. It's not like the old
version requires activation and I don't have any means of connecting
the laptop to the internet or even the LAN. The laptop lacks any sort
of ethernet NIC and I haven't had a dial-up number to dial since the
computer I'm trying to troubleshoot in this thread was brand-new. If
it was Windows XP I could have used the USB ports, but not with WIn98
First Edition. But that's a whole other issue.

Oh gosh, did you mention, or did I question the fact it was
Win98FE/Gold WITH IE6 installed?
Oh wait, this was an additional comment for a different computer, correct?

OKAY, let me see if I have this correct per the Office activities *FOR
THE COMPUTER* originally being discussed:

1. The target computer has Open Office installed AS WELL AS MS Office97?

2. You attempted to un-install Office97 using the OLD remover?

3. You reinstalled Office97 after a failed un-install?

4. You installed the FULL set of applications offered for the Office97
Professional version?

5. The "folder options" of THIS DISCUSSION issue was NOT known to exist
PRIOR to the MS Office un-install?

I know I'm overlooking something here, perhaps someone else can think
of it...

Anyways, I'm pretty sure i used the old one.


Sorry for these, but it may help the group better define the avenues of
pursuit.

--
MEB

...
It was not known to exist, but it's POSSIBLE it existed. I can't
recall the last time I messed with folder options on the Win98SE
computer. It's been stable and I've long since configured things the
way I wanted it.

The setup and topology is as follows:
Computer 1:
Dell Optiplex GX110
Windows 98 Second edition
D drive is shared full access
C drive is shared read-only
My Documents is shared Full Access
Computer automatically boots to the desktop without a password prompt.
TweakUI is used to prevent logoff.
Access control is share-level
Network settings are set to use Quick Login
Browse Master is automatic
LM announce is yes
A static IP address is used
WINS is disabled
Gateway is set to the router's IP address (A Linksys BEFSR41)
DNS search is also set to the router's IP address
NetBIOS is permanently checked to be used and irrelevant as I can't
change that tab
Advanced has "Allow Binding to ATM" set to "No", whatever that means
in this context. I don't see how the three possible meanings I know
for "ATM" could apply to the TCP/IP properties for my built-in
ETHERNET [psudo]-card.
Bindings are set to "Client for Microsoft Networks" and "File and
printer sharing for Microsoft networks"

There's another Ethernet card installed in the computer, but it's
unused and disabled in device manager. I was troubleshooting many
years ago and made an error that made me think the built-in Ethernet
was broken. It was an ID10T error of downloading the WRONG drivers
from Dell's website when I tried reinstalling them. I never bothered
to pull the card, although it wouldn't surprise me if the RJ-45 port
needed to be air-blasted of the dust.


The other relevant computer on the network is a Gateway DX4200
(according to the system control panel, it just says Gateway DX on the
front and I honestly can't recall the number)
Windows Vista Home Premium.
Somehow it's gone back to Service Pack 1 even though I swear I
upgraded it last summer to SP2. Must have been when I used System
Restore after that FUBAR with that G-something Microsoft update back
in September. Although in Microsoft's defense, they did have a new
update the next day.
I was hoping to try my new Windows 7 Professional upgrade CD this
weekend, so I don't know that I"m going to bother to fix that.
The Vista computer is still using DHCP as there hasn't been a need for
a static IP...Yet.


That Vista computer has Virtual PC installed
Virtual PC has Windows XP Professional installed that was upgraded to
Service Pack 3. I don't recall if the CD was SP1 or no SP, but it's
not important.
I routinely use the XP virtual machine as a transfer point due to
various difficulties with Vista. If I download an update that will run
on both computers.

I also have a virtual machine with a complete XCOPY backup of the
real computer's hard drive, but unfortunately I discovered the folder
options problem AFTER I made the latest backup and should have kept an
older backup around, but like a fool, I did not. Although in my
defense, I was unaware of any problems at the time I made the backup,
so I thought I was preserving a "good" configuration in case something
like this happens. The idea behind doing this was to take advantage of
the Gateway's larger hard drive by having a backup for the old
computer that I could use to overwrite any corrupted files with and
not have to reinstall everything.
Good in theory, and if my test hadn't shown that the virtual machine
has the same problem, I would have simply overwritten the C:\windows
folder with the contents of the backup before now. If necessary I'd
burn it to a CD and then use a boot disk with CD-ROM support to
accomplish the goal.

The systems are connected via a LinkSys BEFSR41 wired "Etherfast
cable/DSL router with 4 port switch".

There is also a PowerMac 6500 connected to the switch set to a static
IP. Mac OS 8.6, rarely Yellow Dog Linux 2.1. No ability to get on the
lan in Mac OS, Win98SE can access a SAMBA share in Linux as can XP,
but Vista doesn't recognize it. I rarely use it unless I'm trying to
transfer something between the Mac and Windows, and most of the time
it's kept in Mac mode and used as a TV set, also for AIM so I don't
have to interrupt what I'm doing on the other computer's screens. It
doesn't get used for much else these days, and the Dell and the Mac
have coexisted on this LAN sharing the internet connection since said
Dell was new. I doubt the Mac is causing problems as it hasn't had
much of a configuration change in at least 3 years. No new software,
updates, etc.


I have both Open Office 2.4.2 and Office 97 Professional on the Dell.
I installed Open Office so I could open docx files on the Win98SE
computer. I wanted to move Office 97 to an ancient laptop somebody
gave me that only had the stand-alone copy of Word on it as I needed
to do a powerpoint and wasn't sure if I'd have access to a computer to
stick my flash point on. I tried to remove Office 97 and failed. I
reinstalled it with everything. Due to the difficulities removing it,
I didn't chance trying to only install what I use. So, I've got
Access, Binder, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook, and Word installed.

I don't recall anymore what I used, something from here;
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/158658/EN-US/
whatever was designed for Office 97 on Win98, or so it claimed. It
FUBARed things, so I reinstalled. The folder options problem may or
may not have existed prior to that, I can't recall the last time I
would have noticed it. The Dell isn't my current computer anymore, and
I don't mess with folder options that much on either computer once I
get the default set the way I want them.

Okay, that is clears up and defines most of it.

The attempted FAILED removal and re-installation of Office can
definitely affect what system files are now in your system.
Did you run the updates for Office? There are two service packs for
Office 97, and one specific to Word [which makes it the 2000 version].

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/re...vice+release+1

MY note: I have found that it is best to re-install the system updates
or at least check at wu after messing with Office 97 installations, if
not done BEFORE upgrading the computer. Office 97's installer isn't
exactly Win98 aware and "may" overwrite system files, downgrading them...


We still don't know what you supposedly attempted with Microsoft so we
start with some basics...

Web Style and Custom Options Unavailable in Folder Options Dialog Box
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/217373
note it can apply with other browser installations and tweakui

TweakUI Modifies the Windows MRU Policy Setting
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/301691
tweakui modifies much more, check the linked materials. There are even
more registry entries from a tweakui installation which may apply.

MDGx - Tips and Tricks BUGGY TWEAKUI 98
[UPDATED 9-20-2000]
http://www.mdgx.com/98-3.htm

And, for some more, including MORE issues:
http://www.google.com/search?&q=Win9...ys&btnG=Search


*After* you check the tweakui settings and entries, and you find no
issues [which would be amazing after the Office messed-up activity]:

VISTA at an unknown SP1 level is not good, though since you say you
intend to upgrade to Windows 7, perhaps we should wait, or better still,
disconnect the Win98 computer from the network and router temporarily.

The reason would be: we at least have this un-tampered with level to
work from if you at least start from scratch on the WIn98 computer.

AFTER *first* un-sharing the folders/directories on the Win98 computer:

Remove the Network and settings from the Windows 98 computer and
re-install the Network setup without being connected to the router.
Leave it at its defaults and check for the folder options.
Make sure you have your special settings, if any, written down before
you remove and re-install the Network.

And one more time: did you check for residual DSClient registry entries
as shown on those links?

Hmm, maybe its time to determine if you have an image or other backup
of the Win98 computer...

Again I feel I'm missing something here...

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http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
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Sorry for this, but both relevant posts have been placed into one.
Segments have been cut to still potentially relevant sections and more
will be cut shortly...

On 12/19/2009 06:29 PM, SlickRCBD wrote:
On Dec 17, 2:35 pm, MEB wrote:
On 12/17/2009 12:35 AM, SlickRCBD wrote:



On Dec 16, 1:23 pm, MEB wrote:
On 12/16/2009 01:25 PM, SlickRCBD wrote:

Third attempt, this time I'm saving the draft to a text file.

The Open Office removal may have left residual issues, perhaps the
group can attend to some of those.

Office 97 remover , not Open office. My bad.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/176823/EN-US/
Did this issue seem to follow immediately after its removal or had it
occurred prior to removal?

I don't know, I haven't tried to use Folder Options on this computer
in a long time. It's an old computer, most things are set the way I
want them, and I have a newer computer that I was using more
regularly.


And perhaps to better define this for the group and discussion:

Did you check your networking setups on the two remaining computers
from the previous networked and domain controlled, and after the removal
of the two {apparently} XP computers?

I have no such systems. I haven't connected to a domain in many years,
and that was a VPN connection to a corporate network that I haven't
had access to in years. The new Vista computer has never connected to
a domain.

VISTA is literally and figuratively *aggressive* in its networking.

You said there was once a domain involved; what OS originally
controlled the network and was this Win98 computer part of that
controlled domain?

The home network was never on a domain. A couple times I needed to
access a different network via my internet connection. They had
external access available through the internet with proper
authentication. I generally used the XP computer but I installed the
DSClient on Win98 just in case I needed a backup.

Did you check the *Sharing* and *Share Level* in Network settings on
the Win98 computer?
What is that present setting?

You skipped this ALL IMPORTANT SETTING.

Sorry, it was my third retyping, I was trying to do it fast as for
some reason Gmail is not showing up my posts. I wouldn't be surprised
if the previous two posts show up in a couple days. That happened once
before. I skipped this section by accident when I was starting to
retype things for the third time.

What is the present sharing status/settings? Control Panel Networking

Share Level {or was it Access Control?}.

It's Share level access control. Always been that. Never caused
problems before.

Okay, that setting is "out of the way", though please do the registry
checks regarding the former DSClient.

I'm sure this is frustrating for you, but I'm trying to eliminate the
various potentials in the order I normally review them. This discussion
has so many variables involved that it is becoming difficult to keep
track of what you have now presented...

Did you check the DSClient settings as shown by the previously linked
materials?


Looks like it was uninstalled at some point, probably back at the
beginning of March when I was trying in vein to get Win98 to access a
Vista share without crashing. The file is still present in C:\Program
Files\Microsoft\DSClient9xSetup , but it doesn't show up in Add/Remove
programs. I can try reinstalling it or just rerunning the activator at
the aforementioned location. I've still got a copy of the
DSClient.msi in my downloads folder in case I ever need to connect to
a domain It just isn't showing up in add/remove programs.

AH, DSClient was used to network with VISTA as well as MS servers. Both
used the same networking requirements.

What other protocols have you installed within the network?

What are the settings for TCP/IP on the Win98 {version?} computer

SO HOW did you un-install it, and did you check the registry for
residuals [use the graphic images and the other linked materials for
registry entries to look for, post what you find so we can determine
potential modifications]?

As for the crashing issue, as noted VISTA is "aggressive" and requires
various special settings [not generally recommended, and a study in
frustration] when accessing other OSs [such as Win98].


3. What folder/directories have you shared on the respective computers?

I have two hard drives in the 98 computer. The D drive is shared
completely full access and I rely on the Linksys' firewall to block
internet access. The C drive is shared read-only, except My Documents
which is shared full access. I tried turning the sharing off to no
effect.

You have the installed DSClient {Directory Services Client - Active
Directory Client Extension} to think about...

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/288358

http://www.petri.co.il/dsclient_for_win98_nt.htm

http://www.symantec.com/connect/blog...cation-trouble....

http://www.imss.caltech.edu/cms.php?...op=view&id=414
{see *this* for some graphic images of registry entries to check}

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/197387-46-client
{note the MS group that might be able to better help you}

AND NOTE: sharing MY DOCUMENTS is not recommended because *even in
Win9X* it holds a special OS protection scheme [same for Documents and
Settings in the newer OSs]. You have avoided the recommendations
defined by Microsoft to NOT share these for/in its networking
functions.

What diagnostics and/or fixes have you attempted in your present
network {apparently now just two computers?}?

Not much, I didn't even suspect it was a network problem. I only have
Vista Home and Win98 on the network with XP Pro on a virtual machine.
No domain controllers, so I don't see how that could be a domain
issue. There hasn't been a domain controller available since long
before the problem occurred. There has never been a DC on the LAN.
Only a remote connection made through the internet with a now dead
computer long ago in the past. I set up the Win98 machine so it could
theoretically connect, but I don't recall if I ever actually did
beyond testing, and the problem hadn't happened then and wouldn't show
up for many years. I really don't think a domain has anything to do
with it or it would have happened years ago.

PLEASE check the settings so we can remove them from analysis, or work
on the problems. An "I don't think" situation doesn't remove them from
review.

As for the prior "open folder" issues, that was more likely a registry
setting that got fubarred, though Office97 WAS known to screw up Win98
systems by installing older files in *certain systems*, which is why it
comes EARLY for installation in my installation routines, so the later
updates can over-write the screwed up files.
One thing I hate is the IE3 attempted installation [I think that was
the version included].

You apparently did a re-install of Office97 and what version {PRO, or
HOME, or ...}?

What included applications did you install?

Office 97 Pro. I told it to reinstall everything, though I'd have
preferred to have it remove Binder, Access, and Outlook, none of which
I've used in years, and in the case of Binder I haven't ever used
aside from playing around with it when I first got it. I've been using
OpenOffice more than microsoft office because it can read docx files
and I needed to be able to open a powerpoint on a laptop that had come
with only Word 97 stand-alone. I should have just installed the damned
thing on the laptop and left the desktop alone. It's not like the old
version requires activation and I don't have any means of connecting
the laptop to the internet or even the LAN. The laptop lacks any sort
of ethernet NIC and I haven't had a dial-up number to dial since the
computer I'm trying to troubleshoot in this thread was brand-new. If
it was Windows XP I could have used the USB ports, but not with WIn98
First Edition. But that's a whole other issue.

Oh gosh, did you mention, or did I question the fact it was
Win98FE/Gold WITH IE6 installed?
Oh wait, this was an additional comment for a different computer, correct?

OKAY, let me see if I have this correct per the Office activities *FOR
THE COMPUTER* originally being discussed:

1. The target computer has Open Office installed AS WELL AS MS Office97?

2. You attempted to un-install Office97 using the OLD remover?

3. You reinstalled Office97 after a failed un-install?

4. You installed the FULL set of applications offered for the Office97
Professional version?

5. The "folder options" of THIS DISCUSSION issue was NOT known to exist
PRIOR to the MS Office un-install?

I know I'm overlooking something here, perhaps someone else can think
of it...

Anyways, I'm pretty sure i used the old one.


Sorry for these, but it may help the group better define the avenues of
pursuit.

--
MEB

...
It was not known to exist, but it's POSSIBLE it existed. I can't
recall the last time I messed with folder options on the Win98SE
computer. It's been stable and I've long since configured things the
way I wanted it.

The setup and topology is as follows:
Computer 1:
Dell Optiplex GX110
Windows 98 Second edition
D drive is shared full access
C drive is shared read-only
My Documents is shared Full Access
Computer automatically boots to the desktop without a password prompt.
TweakUI is used to prevent logoff.
Access control is share-level
Network settings are set to use Quick Login
Browse Master is automatic
LM announce is yes
A static IP address is used
WINS is disabled
Gateway is set to the router's IP address (A Linksys BEFSR41)
DNS search is also set to the router's IP address
NetBIOS is permanently checked to be used and irrelevant as I can't
change that tab
Advanced has "Allow Binding to ATM" set to "No", whatever that means
in this context. I don't see how the three possible meanings I know
for "ATM" could apply to the TCP/IP properties for my built-in
ETHERNET [psudo]-card.
Bindings are set to "Client for Microsoft Networks" and "File and
printer sharing for Microsoft networks"

There's another Ethernet card installed in the computer, but it's
unused and disabled in device manager. I was troubleshooting many
years ago and made an error that made me think the built-in Ethernet
was broken. It was an ID10T error of downloading the WRONG drivers
from Dell's website when I tried reinstalling them. I never bothered
to pull the card, although it wouldn't surprise me if the RJ-45 port
needed to be air-blasted of the dust.


The other relevant computer on the network is a Gateway DX4200
(according to the system control panel, it just says Gateway DX on the
front and I honestly can't recall the number)
Windows Vista Home Premium.
Somehow it's gone back to Service Pack 1 even though I swear I
upgraded it last summer to SP2. Must have been when I used System
Restore after that FUBAR with that G-something Microsoft update back
in September. Although in Microsoft's defense, they did have a new
update the next day.
I was hoping to try my new Windows 7 Professional upgrade CD this
weekend, so I don't know that I"m going to bother to fix that.
The Vista computer is still using DHCP as there hasn't been a need for
a static IP...Yet.


That Vista computer has Virtual PC installed
Virtual PC has Windows XP Professional installed that was upgraded to
Service Pack 3. I don't recall if the CD was SP1 or no SP, but it's
not important.
I routinely use the XP virtual machine as a transfer point due to
various difficulties with Vista. If I download an update that will run
on both computers.

I also have a virtual machine with a complete XCOPY backup of the
real computer's hard drive, but unfortunately I discovered the folder
options problem AFTER I made the latest backup and should have kept an
older backup around, but like a fool, I did not. Although in my
defense, I was unaware of any problems at the time I made the backup,
so I thought I was preserving a "good" configuration in case something
like this happens. The idea behind doing this was to take advantage of
the Gateway's larger hard drive by having a backup for the old
computer that I could use to overwrite any corrupted files with and
not have to reinstall everything.
Good in theory, and if my test hadn't shown that the virtual machine
has the same problem, I would have simply overwritten the C:\windows
folder with the contents of the backup before now. If necessary I'd
burn it to a CD and then use a boot disk with CD-ROM support to
accomplish the goal.

The systems are connected via a LinkSys BEFSR41 wired "Etherfast
cable/DSL router with 4 port switch".

There is also a PowerMac 6500 connected to the switch set to a static
IP. Mac OS 8.6, rarely Yellow Dog Linux 2.1. No ability to get on the
lan in Mac OS, Win98SE can access a SAMBA share in Linux as can XP,
but Vista doesn't recognize it. I rarely use it unless I'm trying to
transfer something between the Mac and Windows, and most of the time
it's kept in Mac mode and used as a TV set, also for AIM so I don't
have to interrupt what I'm doing on the other computer's screens. It
doesn't get used for much else these days, and the Dell and the Mac
have coexisted on this LAN sharing the internet connection since said
Dell was new. I doubt the Mac is causing problems as it hasn't had
much of a configuration change in at least 3 years. No new software,
updates, etc.


I have both Open Office 2.4.2 and Office 97 Professional on the Dell.
I installed Open Office so I could open docx files on the Win98SE
computer. I wanted to move Office 97 to an ancient laptop somebody
gave me that only had the stand-alone copy of Word on it as I needed
to do a powerpoint and wasn't sure if I'd have access to a computer to
stick my flash point on. I tried to remove Office 97 and failed. I
reinstalled it with everything. Due to the difficulities removing it,
I didn't chance trying to only install what I use. So, I've got
Access, Binder, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook, and Word installed.

I don't recall anymore what I used, something from here;
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/158658/EN-US/
whatever was designed for Office 97 on Win98, or so it claimed. It
FUBARed things, so I reinstalled. The folder options problem may or
may not have existed prior to that, I can't recall the last time I
would have noticed it. The Dell isn't my current computer anymore, and
I don't mess with folder options that much on either computer once I
get the default set the way I want them.

Okay, that is clears up and defines most of it.

The attempted FAILED removal and re-installation of Office can
definitely affect what system files are now in your system.
Did you run the updates for Office? There are two service packs for
Office 97, and one specific to Word [which makes it the 2000 version].

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/re...vice+release+1

MY note: I have found that it is best to re-install the system updates
or at least check at wu after messing with Office 97 installations, if
not done BEFORE upgrading the computer. Office 97's installer isn't
exactly Win98 aware and "may" overwrite system files, downgrading them...


We still don't know what you supposedly attempted with Microsoft so we
start with some basics...

Web Style and Custom Options Unavailable in Folder Options Dialog Box
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/217373
note it can apply with other browser installations and tweakui

TweakUI Modifies the Windows MRU Policy Setting
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/301691
tweakui modifies much more, check the linked materials. There are even
more registry entries from a tweakui installation which may apply.

MDGx - Tips and Tricks BUGGY TWEAKUI 98
[UPDATED 9-20-2000]
http://www.mdgx.com/98-3.htm

And, for some more, including MORE issues:
http://www.google.com/search?&q=Win9...ys&btnG=Search


*After* you check the tweakui settings and entries, and you find no
issues [which would be amazing after the Office messed-up activity]:

VISTA at an unknown SP1 level is not good, though since you say you
intend to upgrade to Windows 7, perhaps we should wait, or better still,
disconnect the Win98 computer from the network and router temporarily.

The reason would be: we at least have this un-tampered with level to
work from if you at least start from scratch on the WIn98 computer.

AFTER *first* un-sharing the folders/directories on the Win98 computer:

Remove the Network and settings from the Windows 98 computer and
re-install the Network setup without being connected to the router.
Leave it at its defaults and check for the folder options.
Make sure you have your special settings, if any, written down before
you remove and re-install the Network.

And one more time: did you check for residual DSClient registry entries
as shown on those links?

Hmm, maybe its time to determine if you have an image or other backup
of the Win98 computer...

Again I feel I'm missing something here...

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
___---

I'm not sure if I missed something new in your posts. If you're asking
about the LMComptibility level, that is set to 1. I've tried all
possible settings (0, 1, 2, 3) and not had any effect. Vista has no
problem accessing the Win98 shares with it set to 1, but accessing a
Vista share will lock up the computer.

I experimented extensively with that last spring trying to get the
network to work both ways as I wanted to use the new computer as the
server since it had a MUCH bigger hard drive.

I'm not sure if I missed something new in your posts. If you're asking
about the LMComptibility level, that is set to 1. I've tried all
possible settings (0, 1, 2, 3) and not had any effect. Vista has no
problem accessing the Win98 shares with it set to 1, but accessing a
Vista share will lock up the computer.

I experimented extensively with that last spring trying to get the
network to work both ways as I wanted to use the new computer as the
server since it had a MUCH bigger hard drive.

Reviewing my previous posts, I think somehow the mention of the
updates to Win98 are left out. I don't have any Windows updates that
weren't downloaded either with the program called "Windows Update"
found in Start-Programs-Accessories-System Tools or from
Support.Dell.Com on the page for an OptiPlexGX110. This is an OEM copy
of Windows 98SE and the product key on the computer does NOT work with
a copy of a Win98 CD I copied from a friend and tried to install on
Virtual PC to do some testing last spring to see if it was just my
Dell that was crashing or if it was a Vista configuration problem.
Turns out it was a Vista problem. Yeah, I know about the violation of
TOS and all that, but I didn't care while setting up a test machine.
It was done for testing and it wasn't like I intended to keep that
configuration.

It's C:\WINDOWS\WUPDMGR.EXE

Reviewing my previous posts, I think somehow the mention of the
updates to Win98 are left out. I don't have any Windows updates that
weren't downloaded either with the program called "Windows Update"
found in Start-Programs-Accessories-System Tools or from
Support.Dell.Com on the page for an OptiPlexGX110. This is an OEM copy
of Windows 98SE and the product key on the computer does NOT work with
a copy of a Win98 CD I copied from a friend and tried to install on
Virtual PC to do some testing last spring to see if it was just my
Dell that was crashing or if it was a Vista configuration problem.
Turns out it was a Vista problem. Yeah, I know about the violation of
TOS and all that, but I didn't care while setting up a test machine.
It was done for testing and it wasn't like I intended to keep that
configuration.

It's C:\WINDOWS\WUPDMGR.EXE