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hope in right group.....
On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 22:17:06 +1030, "k-bored" wrote: as for the 'type' of modem, what would you like me to look for? all i know is that its screwed to the wall,, and who his isp is. Make and model plus details of how it connects to PC1. USB? Ethernet? If it's a router modem combo with spare LAN ports, it may be that you can simply plug pc2 into it the same way as pc1. It will be a better situation if PC2's Internet doesn't depend on PC1. Jim. |
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hope in right group.....
now it is tomorrow, hehe :-)
i was thinking of something a little simpler if possible,, oh... well forget about what I talked about earlier (using 1 cable to connect 2 computers to a switch/router, instead of 2 cables), Follow James Egans recommendations instead. [my post here now is just if you need some extra explanations] who had their two computers rigged up via one cable, one computer was a win98 the other xp. the win98 computer was configured to be the host and the other just needed the win98 oneto be on the internet in order for it too to access the net. yeah you can easily connect two computers to each other with a network cable between them (normally the "crossover" kind but some can use a normal one), and the one that have internet can let the other one reach internet through it... they were using dial-up, if that makes a difference. ....yes, because the old dial-up modems was normally connected to a computer with a "serial cable", but the new broadband modems are normally connected to a computer with a network cable instead, and most computers only have 1 network jack. But if you are using a network cable between your two computer - then you are allready using the computers network jack for this.... There is no jack left on the computer to put the network cable that comes from the broadband modem! Now (to make things a little more complicated) there are broadband modems that is connected to the computer with an USB-cable instead, I haven't seen any, but there are some made that way - that's why you must go check your dads broadbandmodems brand and modelnumber. (so we know if it is an usb-broadbandmodem or a normal one) [If it is the normal kind, there is the possibility of you buying an extra network card and mount it inside one of your computers to give it a second network jack - but if you never have opened your computer then I wouldn't recommend that solution... buy a cheap router instead even though it will costs three times as much as a network card (like 36$ instead of 12$) with the bonus that you can connect more computers to it later if you like, and its firewall security] what dad is hoping, is that we can buy a short length of this cable with the correct plugs attached, then plug it into both computers, then somehowconfigure them so they can both use the internet at the same time the easy thing you must do first is to look at the back of the computer if there is a free network jack, that isn't allready used up by the cable that goes to the broadband modem :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- If the computer now (when it is connected to internet so webbrowser works etc) have an empty network jack, and you want to use internet sharing: then go buy the network cable (crossover type). (I would still prefer a router.. but that's me!) Microsoft's small guide to enable Internet Sharing for win98se is: * Click Start, point to Settings, click Control Panel, and then double-click Add/Remove Programs. * On the Windows Setup tab, double-click Internet Tools. * Click to select the Internet Connection Sharing check box, then click OK * Click OK, and then follow the instructions on the screen to run the Internet Connection Sharing wizard. Now I allmost forgot: check if his broadband modem has any free empty network jacks too.... if so it might have a router&switch built in and you could just have a network cable from his second computer go to that hole :-) |
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hope in right group.....
now it is tomorrow, hehe :-)
i was thinking of something a little simpler if possible,, oh... well forget about what I talked about earlier (using 1 cable to connect 2 computers to a switch/router, instead of 2 cables), Follow James Egans recommendations instead. [my post here now is just if you need some extra explanations] who had their two computers rigged up via one cable, one computer was a win98 the other xp. the win98 computer was configured to be the host and the other just needed the win98 oneto be on the internet in order for it too to access the net. yeah you can easily connect two computers to each other with a network cable between them (normally the "crossover" kind but some can use a normal one), and the one that have internet can let the other one reach internet through it... they were using dial-up, if that makes a difference. ....yes, because the old dial-up modems was normally connected to a computer with a "serial cable", but the new broadband modems are normally connected to a computer with a network cable instead, and most computers only have 1 network jack. But if you are using a network cable between your two computer - then you are allready using the computers network jack for this.... There is no jack left on the computer to put the network cable that comes from the broadband modem! Now (to make things a little more complicated) there are broadband modems that is connected to the computer with an USB-cable instead, I haven't seen any, but there are some made that way - that's why you must go check your dads broadbandmodems brand and modelnumber. (so we know if it is an usb-broadbandmodem or a normal one) [If it is the normal kind, there is the possibility of you buying an extra network card and mount it inside one of your computers to give it a second network jack - but if you never have opened your computer then I wouldn't recommend that solution... buy a cheap router instead even though it will costs three times as much as a network card (like 36$ instead of 12$) with the bonus that you can connect more computers to it later if you like, and its firewall security] what dad is hoping, is that we can buy a short length of this cable with the correct plugs attached, then plug it into both computers, then somehowconfigure them so they can both use the internet at the same time the easy thing you must do first is to look at the back of the computer if there is a free network jack, that isn't allready used up by the cable that goes to the broadband modem :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- If the computer now (when it is connected to internet so webbrowser works etc) have an empty network jack, and you want to use internet sharing: then go buy the network cable (crossover type). (I would still prefer a router.. but that's me!) Microsoft's small guide to enable Internet Sharing for win98se is: * Click Start, point to Settings, click Control Panel, and then double-click Add/Remove Programs. * On the Windows Setup tab, double-click Internet Tools. * Click to select the Internet Connection Sharing check box, then click OK * Click OK, and then follow the instructions on the screen to run the Internet Connection Sharing wizard. Now I allmost forgot: check if his broadband modem has any free empty network jacks too.... if so it might have a router&switch built in and you could just have a network cable from his second computer go to that hole :-) |
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to: teebo and jim
hi guys,,,
apologies; timing was out for me and dad, couldnt get details needed. have now got definate appointed time with him tomorrow, 2.30pm, where we are. will post them tomorrow,, at about 'now' time. i have a good feeling that this is going to be something reasonably easy to do,, and i am glad to be part of the learning curve on this one. just anothing thing while i''m at k-bored.... if it is something simple as a cable and perhaps a small bit of configuring,, will our local computer shop man make us up the cable you guys said? at this point, i believe dad is going to keep the other computer only about a metre away,, and someone said to him that its a good idea only to have enough cable to do the job,, no more. thank you both for helping,, shouldnt be more than 24hrs with the details. |
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to: teebo and jim
hi guys,,,
apologies; timing was out for me and dad, couldnt get details needed. have now got definate appointed time with him tomorrow, 2.30pm, where we are. will post them tomorrow,, at about 'now' time. i have a good feeling that this is going to be something reasonably easy to do,, and i am glad to be part of the learning curve on this one. just anothing thing while i''m at k-bored.... if it is something simple as a cable and perhaps a small bit of configuring,, will our local computer shop man make us up the cable you guys said? at this point, i believe dad is going to keep the other computer only about a metre away,, and someone said to him that its a good idea only to have enough cable to do the job,, no more. thank you both for helping,, shouldnt be more than 24hrs with the details. |
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teebo and jim
"k-bored" wrote in message ... | hi guys,,, | | apologies; timing was out for me and dad, couldnt get details needed. have now got definate | appointed time with him tomorrow, 2.30pm, where we are. | | will post them tomorrow,, at about 'now' time. | | i have a good feeling that this is going to be something reasonably easy to do,, and i am glad to | be part of the learning curve on this one. | | just anothing thing while i''m at k-bored.... if it is something simple as a cable and perhaps a | small bit of configuring,, will our local computer shop man make us up the cable you guys said? | at this point, i believe dad is going to keep the other computer only about a metre away,, and | someone said to him that its a good idea only to have enough cable to do the job,, no more. Not to take away from the good suggestions already received; but so you have a better idea of WHAT is entailed, and give an idea of HOW to address potential issues during the process of setting up your network. Don' miss the advise that you may need 2 [two] network connections on the master computer [which means 2 adapters if not using a router or if the modem has only one connection] OR that the modem must have two, at least if using a network [RJ45, looks like a telephone jack but has 8 wires and connections used] style of connection. The modem or present connection from the modem MAY be USB [looks like a flat connector surrounded by a housing]. BTW: if the modem IS [as you state] screwed into the wall, its a cable modem OR potentially a SAT [satellite access terminal] modem. IF possible, avoid ICS [Internet Connection Sharing]. It has the potential to cause numerous *difficult to diagnose* issues should either registry become corrupted or networking aspect change. The best is to buy a router [they run about $14.95 US up] and another network cable [example- pre-made 50 foot $19.95 US] and if necessary another adapter [$9.95 US and up]. This investment will pay for itself in the long run as diagnostics become easier, the network can be changed and added to whenever necessary, and components can be replaced individually should that be necessary. Here's a basic setup and diagnostic page for reference during your setup attempt: GENERAL WINDOWS NETWORKING: DIAGNOSTICS AND SETUP - Part 3 of Windows Diagnostics. Questions and answers, and links. Part 3 of Layered Security. http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/gen/se...NETWORKING.htm | | thank you both for helping,, shouldnt be more than 24hrs with the details. | -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org a Peoples' counsel Windows diagnostics/Security/Networking: http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm _ _ ~~ |
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teebo and jim
"k-bored" wrote in message ... | hi guys,,, | | apologies; timing was out for me and dad, couldnt get details needed. have now got definate | appointed time with him tomorrow, 2.30pm, where we are. | | will post them tomorrow,, at about 'now' time. | | i have a good feeling that this is going to be something reasonably easy to do,, and i am glad to | be part of the learning curve on this one. | | just anothing thing while i''m at k-bored.... if it is something simple as a cable and perhaps a | small bit of configuring,, will our local computer shop man make us up the cable you guys said? | at this point, i believe dad is going to keep the other computer only about a metre away,, and | someone said to him that its a good idea only to have enough cable to do the job,, no more. Not to take away from the good suggestions already received; but so you have a better idea of WHAT is entailed, and give an idea of HOW to address potential issues during the process of setting up your network. Don' miss the advise that you may need 2 [two] network connections on the master computer [which means 2 adapters if not using a router or if the modem has only one connection] OR that the modem must have two, at least if using a network [RJ45, looks like a telephone jack but has 8 wires and connections used] style of connection. The modem or present connection from the modem MAY be USB [looks like a flat connector surrounded by a housing]. BTW: if the modem IS [as you state] screwed into the wall, its a cable modem OR potentially a SAT [satellite access terminal] modem. IF possible, avoid ICS [Internet Connection Sharing]. It has the potential to cause numerous *difficult to diagnose* issues should either registry become corrupted or networking aspect change. The best is to buy a router [they run about $14.95 US up] and another network cable [example- pre-made 50 foot $19.95 US] and if necessary another adapter [$9.95 US and up]. This investment will pay for itself in the long run as diagnostics become easier, the network can be changed and added to whenever necessary, and components can be replaced individually should that be necessary. Here's a basic setup and diagnostic page for reference during your setup attempt: GENERAL WINDOWS NETWORKING: DIAGNOSTICS AND SETUP - Part 3 of Windows Diagnostics. Questions and answers, and links. Part 3 of Layered Security. http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/gen/se...NETWORKING.htm | | thank you both for helping,, shouldnt be more than 24hrs with the details. | -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org a Peoples' counsel Windows diagnostics/Security/Networking: http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm _ _ ~~ |
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teebo and jim
hi again.
http://www.virginbroadband.com.au/su...e/Default.aspx leads to a photo of modem and shows the wires etc. 1)computer number 1 (which the modem is on now) shows no more holes to plug into at the back. 2)computer number 2, has what looks like a modem card installed, but we figure that is no good to us at all right now. computer 2 also has no holes to accept any network cables. (except for the modem card we found,, we think.) 3)no network cards are installed on both... which i guess means dad has to buy two, one so that computer 1 has a hole to use, and computer two has a hole to recieve..... does this sound right? 4)are network cards cheap? will it take a whole lot of configuration to make it work? if dad buys some cards, does he have to instal drivers and such? i will leave it here for now, and hopefully get a reply before bedtime. tia t/b and jim. |
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teebo and jim
hi again.
http://www.virginbroadband.com.au/su...e/Default.aspx leads to a photo of modem and shows the wires etc. 1)computer number 1 (which the modem is on now) shows no more holes to plug into at the back. 2)computer number 2, has what looks like a modem card installed, but we figure that is no good to us at all right now. computer 2 also has no holes to accept any network cables. (except for the modem card we found,, we think.) 3)no network cards are installed on both... which i guess means dad has to buy two, one so that computer 1 has a hole to use, and computer two has a hole to recieve..... does this sound right? 4)are network cards cheap? will it take a whole lot of configuration to make it work? if dad buys some cards, does he have to instal drivers and such? i will leave it here for now, and hopefully get a reply before bedtime. tia t/b and jim. |
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teebo and jim
On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:55:02 +1030, "k-bored" wrote: hi again. http://www.virginbroadband.com.au/su...e/Default.aspx leads to a photo of modem and shows the wires etc. This "modem" is actually a wireless (nat) router with a single ethernet port. There are a number of options, but the best in my opinion is to get a wireless USB network adaptor for pc2 to connect directly to the "modem" wirelessly leaving the pc1 in its current configuration to use the single ethernet port. I got one of these a while back which I'm quite happy with http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/product/seo/369188 You will then need to configure the wireless settings on the "modem" using its web interface at http://192.168.1.1 and use those same settings (passphrase etc) on pc2. Of course you will have the added benefit of being able to locate pc2 away from pc1 and pc2 will not be dependent on pc1 for its Internet connection. A not nearly as good alternative using just wires would be to buy a switch and a network adaptor for pc2. Then plug the switch into the modem and the two pcs into the switch. This will allow both pc's to connect independently of each other. A third (the worst) alternative would be to put a network adaptor into both pc1 and pc2, create a network bridge between the two network adaptors on pc1 and connect the two pc's using a crossover cable as discussed earlier. For me it would be wireless. Jim. |
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