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  #21  
Old August 28th 07, 03:59 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
John John
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I don't know what the numbers there track but they plain and simply make
no sense at all! There is no way that anyone is going to make me
beleive that there are more Win 3.x surfing the net than Win95, Win ME
and Vista combined! These numbers are bogus, I dare say that there are
more Vista machines on the net than Win 3.x machines and I also dare say
that there are most likely more Win ME machines than Win 3.x.

1. Windows XP 53496272 (81%)
2. Win 2000 3570762 (5%)
3. Win NT 3085183 (4%)
4. Mac 2621571 (3%)
5. Win 98 1426388 (2%)
6. Unknown 1047210 (1%)
7. Linux 399138 (0%)
8. Win 3.x 81427 (0%)
9. Unix 24958 (0%)
10. Win 95 17490 (0%)
11. WebTV 13251 (0%)
12. OS/2 2755 (0%)
13. Windows ME 1810 (0%)
14. Windows Vista 43 (0%)
15. Amiga 42 (0%)

John

98 Guy wrote:
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:


You are mistaken. Of internet users, less than 1% use Windows 98.



I've seen stats indicating 2% as of July 2007.


MUCH less than any other OS that's been out since 98 came out



I believe that there were versions of Linux back in 1998, and
naturally there was unix, win 3.x and win-98. Win-98 use is currently
used more than any of those, not "MUCH less".


http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp



Which tracks only hits to that web domain.

This tracks hits to all domains using this reporting and stats
service:

http://www.thecounter.com/stats/

I've just plotted all the 15 OS's they track (plotted going back to
June 2006). I see a few interesting things:

- MAC use jumped from 3% to 4% in Nov/2006 (but in general there
is no general trend to the change)

- Win-98 use was 5% in June 2006 and is 2% in July 2007
(basically, it's currently dropping at the rate of 1%
every 7 months, so it should hit 1% in March 2008)

- Linux is basically static, somewhere between .25 and .5%

- Win-NT was less than Linux up until February 2007, when it
started to climb 1% per month. I wonder if this is an error
and this is really Vista being mis-identified as NT.

- XP peaked at 84% in January 2007, and has been declining at
0.5% per month since then. Win-2K has shown a very even decline
from 8.5% to 5.5% (about 0.2% decline per month)

- Windows ME has stabilized at 0.003% for the past 6-8 months.

- Win 3.x and Win-95 are very similar (0.1 to 0.15%) but win-95
has fallen to 0.0025% for the last 4 months .


"ssome" wrote:


Yea, we know, but... maybe a world wide petition. looks like
30% of users still use win 98 FAT32 is plenty and many of my
friends still use DOS apps, i use one dbase for my books.
we are not all gamers



But you'll get laughed out of court if you demand that the world,
particularly applications developers, cater to your anachronistic
whims.



"Ron Badour" wrote:


MS no longer supports W98 and a petition will not change that
I'm afraid.



Ssome, you've got to realize that people like Gary and Ron earn their
living based on continuous change in operating systems driven by the
Micro$haft business model. Without OS turnover, we would end up with
a stabilization of systems and software, and the need for IT people to
tinker and troubleshoot and fix things would slowly go away. So the
MVP's here have a vested interest in seeing people and businesses
migrate to each new MS OS.


  #22  
Old August 28th 07, 07:01 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
ssome
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if memory was right, i was quoting F Langa poll among his readers
30% still held onto win 98, all vers maybe 2-3 yrs ago.

my point being that if cleaned up, updated and sans MSoft spying, SE would
be fine for many of the users out there. Then it might jump back to 30%.
We simply do not need 64 bit words or $600 video cards. hackers tend to
jump on new OSs and leave 98 alone. many of us have never run a game, or
ever intend to (although the kids that visit do); we prefer personal
programming, record keeping and images/video of our kids & gkids. the
latter of which is difficult in 98 esp editing video. businesses should
always jump to needy markets.

i appreciate savvy MSoft types helping out, but i never appreciated snotty
little computer pricks

ssome

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

You are mistaken. Of internet users, less than 1% use Windows 98.


I've seen stats indicating 2% as of July 2007.

MUCH less than any other OS that's been out since 98 came out


I believe that there were versions of Linux back in 1998, and
naturally there was unix, win 3.x and win-98. Win-98 use is currently
used more than any of those, not "MUCH less".

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp


Which tracks only hits to that web domain.

This tracks hits to all domains using this reporting and stats
service:

http://www.thecounter.com/stats/

I've just plotted all the 15 OS's they track (plotted going back to
June 2006). I see a few interesting things:

- MAC use jumped from 3% to 4% in Nov/2006 (but in general there
is no general trend to the change)

- Win-98 use was 5% in June 2006 and is 2% in July 2007
(basically, it's currently dropping at the rate of 1%
every 7 months, so it should hit 1% in March 2008)

- Linux is basically static, somewhere between .25 and .5%

- Win-NT was less than Linux up until February 2007, when it
started to climb 1% per month. I wonder if this is an error
and this is really Vista being mis-identified as NT.

- XP peaked at 84% in January 2007, and has been declining at
0.5% per month since then. Win-2K has shown a very even decline
from 8.5% to 5.5% (about 0.2% decline per month)

- Windows ME has stabilized at 0.003% for the past 6-8 months.

- Win 3.x and Win-95 are very similar (0.1 to 0.15%) but win-95
has fallen to 0.0025% for the last 4 months .

"ssome" wrote:

Yea, we know, but... maybe a world wide petition. looks like
30% of users still use win 98 FAT32 is plenty and many of my
friends still use DOS apps, i use one dbase for my books.
we are not all gamers


But you'll get laughed out of court if you demand that the world,
particularly applications developers, cater to your anachronistic
whims.


"Ron Badour" wrote:

MS no longer supports W98 and a petition will not change that
I'm afraid.


Ssome, you've got to realize that people like Gary and Ron earn their
living based on continuous change in operating systems driven by the
Micro$haft business model. Without OS turnover, we would end up with
a stabilization of systems and software, and the need for IT people to
tinker and troubleshoot and fix things would slowly go away. So the
MVP's here have a vested interest in seeing people and businesses
migrate to each new MS OS.



  #23  
Old August 28th 07, 11:21 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
98 Guy
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ssome wrote:

if memory was right, i was quoting F Langa poll among his readers
30% still held onto win 98, all vers maybe 2-3 yrs ago.


Without downloading all the stats on the "thecounter.com" site, it
seems that Win-98 was commanding first place with 40% as late as
October/November 2003, with 2K in second place and XP in third place.
Then in January / February 2004 a major change happened and XP took
first place at around 50% and 98 fell to second place in the high 20's
and falling a percent or two every month immediately after. Win-98
didn't spend much time in the 30% - 40% range at all.

my point being that if cleaned up, updated and sans MSoft spying,
SE would be fine for many of the users out there. Then it might
jump back to 30%.


No argument from me, but the demise of all windows OS's is tied into
the strategic availability of motherboard chipset drivers (primarily)
and with video card drivers (secondarily). Those factors are no doubt
heavily influenced (behind the scenes) by Micro$haft.

i appreciate savvy MSoft types helping out, but i never appreciated
snotty little computer pricks


Not sure what you are talking about with your last comment there.
  #24  
Old August 29th 07, 04:32 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
Ron Badour
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Ssome, you've got to realize that people like Gary and Ron earn their
living based on continuous change in operating systems driven by the
Micro$haft business model. Without OS turnover, we would end up with
a stabilization of systems and software, and the need for IT people to
tinker and troubleshoot and fix things would slowly go away. So the
MVP's here have a vested interest in seeing people and businesses
migrate to each new MS OS.


Stick to something you know something about. I have been retired for 14
years and I do not make a living doing computer work. I have no vested
interest in change. I stuck with W98 as a personal operating system as long
as I could because it was a fun system to tinker with. New hardware
requires new systems and I was forced to switch operating systems because
there were no 98 drivers for my hardware. Then a lack of questions this
year in the 98 newsgroups forced me to start trying to help XP users instead
of posting solely in 98 groups.


Ron Badour
MS MVP 1997 - 2007





  #25  
Old August 29th 07, 04:32 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
Ron Badour
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Ssome, you've got to realize that people like Gary and Ron earn their
living based on continuous change in operating systems driven by the
Micro$haft business model. Without OS turnover, we would end up with
a stabilization of systems and software, and the need for IT people to
tinker and troubleshoot and fix things would slowly go away. So the
MVP's here have a vested interest in seeing people and businesses
migrate to each new MS OS.


Stick to something you know something about. I have been retired for 14
years and I do not make a living doing computer work. I have no vested
interest in change. I stuck with W98 as a personal operating system as long
as I could because it was a fun system to tinker with. New hardware
requires new systems and I was forced to switch operating systems because
there were no 98 drivers for my hardware. Then a lack of questions this
year in the 98 newsgroups forced me to start trying to help XP users instead
of posting solely in 98 groups.


Ron Badour
MS MVP 1997 - 2007





  #26  
Old August 29th 07, 02:26 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
98 Guy
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Ron Badour wrote:

I have been retired for 14 years and I do not make a living
doing computer work.


It was my impression that MVP's were "acredited" with that designation
based partly on the fact that they are employed in the IT field.
  #27  
Old August 29th 07, 02:26 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
98 Guy
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Ron Badour wrote:

I have been retired for 14 years and I do not make a living
doing computer work.


It was my impression that MVP's were "acredited" with that designation
based partly on the fact that they are employed in the IT field.
  #28  
Old August 29th 07, 11:50 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
Ron Badour
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Your impression is wrong--I retired from the Air Force and have never worked
in the IT field.
--
Regards

Ron Badour
MS MVP 1997 - 2007


"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
Ron Badour wrote:

I have been retired for 14 years and I do not make a living
doing computer work.


It was my impression that MVP's were "acredited" with that designation
based partly on the fact that they are employed in the IT field.



  #29  
Old August 29th 07, 11:50 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
Ron Badour
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Posts: 957
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Your impression is wrong--I retired from the Air Force and have never worked
in the IT field.
--
Regards

Ron Badour
MS MVP 1997 - 2007


"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
Ron Badour wrote:

I have been retired for 14 years and I do not make a living
doing computer work.


It was my impression that MVP's were "acredited" with that designation
based partly on the fact that they are employed in the IT field.



  #30  
Old August 30th 07, 05:25 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
98 Guy
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Top Poster Ron Badour wrote:

I have been retired for 14 years and I do not make a living
doing computer work.


It was my impression that MVP's were "acredited" with that
designation based partly on the fact that they are employed
in the IT field.


Your impression is wrong--I retired from the Air Force and have
never worked in the IT field.


It's not that my impression is necessarily wrong. It's just wrong in
your case - and your case could be one out of a hundred.
 




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