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  #1  
Old August 13th 04, 11:45 PM
cotigrifn
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Recently, I was told that Norton Systemworks is not good
for w98 se. Is this true? Why?
It also keeps finding the same registry problems, says it
fixes them, but the problems show up again on the next
scan.
Should I try to get them fixed?
Thank you
  #2  
Old August 14th 04, 12:10 AM
Gary S. Terhune
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"cotigrifn" wrote in message
...
Recently, I was told that Norton Systemworks is not good
for w98 se. Is this true? Why?


My personal opinion is, "Yes, that's true." Why? Because it loads up the
Registry, the antivirus is a massive and intrusive operation that simply isn't
necessary--many other AV solutions exist that are much leaner and less
intrusive, while still getting the job done. En fin, SystemWorks is often the
*cause* of major problems, probably as harmful to your system as it is helpful.
Also, many of SystemWorks' utilities are only mostly accurate--not 100%
accurate, which explains why...

It also keeps finding the same registry problems, says it
fixes them, but the problems show up again on the next
scan.


This may be because while they may *seem* to be invalid entries, they are
actually likely to be "conditional" entries--entries that are only valid under
certain conditions. And/or, they may be entries that are rewritten when a
program is launched (and self-heals itself), or any number of similar cases.
*OR*, they may be entries inserted by malware--malicious software--and Win
Doctor only sees that they are invalid and has no ability to root out the real
cause which lies elsewhere. You need adware/spyware scanners to do the job
right.

Should I try to get them fixed?


How about you post them here, and we can likely tell you what to do about them.

Thank you


You're welcome, s.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x


  #3  
Old August 14th 04, 02:49 AM
Phyllis
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Default norton systemworks

I just recently uninstalled Norton Internet Security 2003 from my computer.
The computer has been considerable slower since I put it on, and has been
having a lot of freeze-ups and illegal operations, which I thought might be
caused by Norton since they started being really bad about the same time
that I installed it.

My question is when I go into regedit there is still 8 different folders
associated to Symantec. Can I safely just delete these folders? I have
never messed with the registry so I am a little gun shy about changing
anything in it but I would like Symantec to be completely gone. Thanks

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
"cotigrifn" wrote in message
...
Recently, I was told that Norton Systemworks is not good
for w98 se. Is this true? Why?


My personal opinion is, "Yes, that's true." Why? Because it loads up the
Registry, the antivirus is a massive and intrusive operation that simply

isn't
necessary--many other AV solutions exist that are much leaner and less
intrusive, while still getting the job done. En fin, SystemWorks is often

the
*cause* of major problems, probably as harmful to your system as it is

helpful.
Also, many of SystemWorks' utilities are only mostly accurate--not 100%
accurate, which explains why...

It also keeps finding the same registry problems, says it
fixes them, but the problems show up again on the next
scan.


This may be because while they may *seem* to be invalid entries, they are
actually likely to be "conditional" entries--entries that are only valid

under
certain conditions. And/or, they may be entries that are rewritten when a
program is launched (and self-heals itself), or any number of similar

cases.
*OR*, they may be entries inserted by malware--malicious software--and Win
Doctor only sees that they are invalid and has no ability to root out the

real
cause which lies elsewhere. You need adware/spyware scanners to do the job
right.

Should I try to get them fixed?


How about you post them here, and we can likely tell you what to do about

them.

Thank you


You're welcome, s.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x



  #4  
Old August 14th 04, 07:41 AM
Menno Hershberger
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Default norton systemworks

If you really want them out of there, it can be done. But if you've
already uninstalled it, the registry entries shouldn't bother.
First of all, back up your registry in case something goes wrong.
Then open regedit, go under edit and click "find" and type in symantec.
When it finds the first instance, delete it. Then push F3 to find the
next entry, delete it, push F3.... etc. Be prepared to spend a long
time. You'll find hundreds of them. When you get done, then go back and
search for "norton" and do the same.

"Phyllis" wrote in
:

I just recently uninstalled Norton Internet Security 2003 from my
computer. The computer has been considerable slower since I put it on,
and has been having a lot of freeze-ups and illegal operations, which
I thought might be caused by Norton since they started being really
bad about the same time that I installed it.

My question is when I go into regedit there is still 8 different
folders associated to Symantec. Can I safely just delete these
folders? I have never messed with the registry so I am a little gun
shy about changing anything in it but I would like Symantec to be
completely gone. Thanks

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
"cotigrifn" wrote in message
...
Recently, I was told that Norton Systemworks is not good
for w98 se. Is this true? Why?


My personal opinion is, "Yes, that's true." Why? Because it loads up
the Registry, the antivirus is a massive and intrusive operation that
simply

isn't
necessary--many other AV solutions exist that are much leaner and
less intrusive, while still getting the job done. En fin, SystemWorks
is often

the
*cause* of major problems, probably as harmful to your system as it
is

helpful.
Also, many of SystemWorks' utilities are only mostly accurate--not
100% accurate, which explains why...

It also keeps finding the same registry problems, says it
fixes them, but the problems show up again on the next
scan.


This may be because while they may *seem* to be invalid entries, they
are actually likely to be "conditional" entries--entries that are
only valid

under
certain conditions. And/or, they may be entries that are rewritten
when a program is launched (and self-heals itself), or any number of
similar

cases.
*OR*, they may be entries inserted by malware--malicious
software--and Win Doctor only sees that they are invalid and has no
ability to root out the

real
cause which lies elsewhere. You need adware/spyware scanners to do
the job right.

Should I try to get them fixed?


How about you post them here, and we can likely tell you what to do
about

them.

Thank you


You're welcome, s.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x







--
-- What happens if you get scared half to death twice? --
  #5  
Old August 14th 04, 07:49 AM
Jeff Richards
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Default norton systemworks

Go to the Symantec www site and find the uninstaller utility for your
software (RnisUPG). That should clean out a lot of the remaining stuff
(although I don't believe you will ever completely get rid of it).
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (DTS)
"Phyllis" wrote in message
...
I just recently uninstalled Norton Internet Security 2003 from my computer.
The computer has been considerable slower since I put it on, and has been
having a lot of freeze-ups and illegal operations, which I thought might
be
caused by Norton since they started being really bad about the same time
that I installed it.

My question is when I go into regedit there is still 8 different folders
associated to Symantec. Can I safely just delete these folders? I have
never messed with the registry so I am a little gun shy about changing
anything in it but I would like Symantec to be completely gone. Thanks

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
"cotigrifn" wrote in message
...
Recently, I was told that Norton Systemworks is not good
for w98 se. Is this true? Why?


My personal opinion is, "Yes, that's true." Why? Because it loads up the
Registry, the antivirus is a massive and intrusive operation that simply

isn't
necessary--many other AV solutions exist that are much leaner and less
intrusive, while still getting the job done. En fin, SystemWorks is often

the
*cause* of major problems, probably as harmful to your system as it is

helpful.
Also, many of SystemWorks' utilities are only mostly accurate--not 100%
accurate, which explains why...

It also keeps finding the same registry problems, says it
fixes them, but the problems show up again on the next
scan.


This may be because while they may *seem* to be invalid entries, they are
actually likely to be "conditional" entries--entries that are only valid

under
certain conditions. And/or, they may be entries that are rewritten when a
program is launched (and self-heals itself), or any number of similar

cases.
*OR*, they may be entries inserted by malware--malicious software--and
Win
Doctor only sees that they are invalid and has no ability to root out the

real
cause which lies elsewhere. You need adware/spyware scanners to do the
job
right.

Should I try to get them fixed?


How about you post them here, and we can likely tell you what to do about

them.

Thank you


You're welcome, s.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x





  #6  
Old August 14th 04, 08:00 AM
Gary S. Terhune
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Default norton systemworks

Easiest way to find out is to do it--but first, make sure you back up each Key
you intend to delete *before* deleting, using File menu, Export. This saves each
Key as a REG file that can be easily restored. You should also make sure you
have current SCANREG backups (files named RBnnn.CAB, where nnn is a three-digit
number) located in C:\Windows\SYSBCKUP (a Hidden folder, so make sure "Show All
Files" is enabled in Folder Options, View tab.) If you don't have any current
RBnnn.CAB files, use the RUN box to run SCANREGW and say Yes to a new backup.
Scanreg backups can be restored from a DOS boot using SCANREG /RESTORE command.
If you need any further instruction on these topics, ask *first*. You can even
practice using SCANREG /RESTORE from a DOS boot, to see what it looks like, Just
don't actually restore a backup unless you really must. Likewise, you can Export
and Merge a REG file backup without causing any problems (so long as you don't
mess with the file.)

There are, I believe, some Registry Keys with Symantec/Norton-related names that
aren't actually installed by Symantec but by other apps *in_case_ Symantec apps
get installed (again, I *think* so--I'm not certain.) But so far as I know, none
are critical.

My question to you--did uninstalling the apps help restore your system's
performance?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"Phyllis" wrote in message
...
I just recently uninstalled Norton Internet Security 2003 from my computer.
The computer has been considerable slower since I put it on, and has been
having a lot of freeze-ups and illegal operations, which I thought might be
caused by Norton since they started being really bad about the same time
that I installed it.

My question is when I go into regedit there is still 8 different folders
associated to Symantec. Can I safely just delete these folders? I have
never messed with the registry so I am a little gun shy about changing
anything in it but I would like Symantec to be completely gone. Thanks

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
"cotigrifn" wrote in message
...
Recently, I was told that Norton Systemworks is not good
for w98 se. Is this true? Why?


My personal opinion is, "Yes, that's true." Why? Because it loads up the
Registry, the antivirus is a massive and intrusive operation that simply

isn't
necessary--many other AV solutions exist that are much leaner and less
intrusive, while still getting the job done. En fin, SystemWorks is often

the
*cause* of major problems, probably as harmful to your system as it is

helpful.
Also, many of SystemWorks' utilities are only mostly accurate--not 100%
accurate, which explains why...

It also keeps finding the same registry problems, says it
fixes them, but the problems show up again on the next
scan.


This may be because while they may *seem* to be invalid entries, they are
actually likely to be "conditional" entries--entries that are only valid

under
certain conditions. And/or, they may be entries that are rewritten when a
program is launched (and self-heals itself), or any number of similar

cases.
*OR*, they may be entries inserted by malware--malicious software--and Win
Doctor only sees that they are invalid and has no ability to root out the

real
cause which lies elsewhere. You need adware/spyware scanners to do the job
right.

Should I try to get them fixed?


How about you post them here, and we can likely tell you what to do about

them.

Thank you


You're welcome, s.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x




  #7  
Old August 14th 04, 12:47 PM
Lil' Dave
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Toss any programs you may have installed from the SystemWorks CD except NAV
and CleanSweep. Do not run CS from boot, only from the desktop menu
selection. Reasons for all this are multiple and overlapping between the
programs I suggested not to install. If you are willing to learn all the
exceptions, nuances, and specific usage problems with these other programs;
go for it.
"cotigrifn" wrote in message
...
Recently, I was told that Norton Systemworks is not good
for w98 se. Is this true? Why?
It also keeps finding the same registry problems, says it
fixes them, but the problems show up again on the next
scan.
Should I try to get them fixed?
Thank you



  #8  
Old August 14th 04, 04:18 PM
Phyllis
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Default

Yes, it helped the performance a great deal. My computer just zips around
among the programs, internet, etc. now. I have always felt safe and fully
protected with NIS but it just slugs down the computer until it drives me
crazy with all the illegal operations and freezeups that it causes. I have
the free EZ Armor LE (anti-virus and firewall) on it right now that I got
when I ordered the free Security CD from Microsoft. I hope it has me
protected. I can't really see it doing anything, but hopefully. . . thanks
for the info about the registry.


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Easiest way to find out is to do it--but first, make sure you back up each

Key
you intend to delete *before* deleting, using File menu, Export. This

saves each
Key as a REG file that can be easily restored. You should also make sure

you
have current SCANREG backups (files named RBnnn.CAB, where nnn is a

three-digit
number) located in C:\Windows\SYSBCKUP (a Hidden folder, so make sure

"Show All
Files" is enabled in Folder Options, View tab.) If you don't have any

current
RBnnn.CAB files, use the RUN box to run SCANREGW and say Yes to a new

backup.
Scanreg backups can be restored from a DOS boot using SCANREG /RESTORE

command.
If you need any further instruction on these topics, ask *first*. You can

even
practice using SCANREG /RESTORE from a DOS boot, to see what it looks

like, Just
don't actually restore a backup unless you really must. Likewise, you can

Export
and Merge a REG file backup without causing any problems (so long as you

don't
mess with the file.)

There are, I believe, some Registry Keys with Symantec/Norton-related

names that
aren't actually installed by Symantec but by other apps *in_case_ Symantec

apps
get installed (again, I *think* so--I'm not certain.) But so far as I

know, none
are critical.

My question to you--did uninstalling the apps help restore your system's
performance?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"Phyllis" wrote in message
...
I just recently uninstalled Norton Internet Security 2003 from my

computer.
The computer has been considerable slower since I put it on, and has

been
having a lot of freeze-ups and illegal operations, which I thought might

be
caused by Norton since they started being really bad about the same time
that I installed it.

My question is when I go into regedit there is still 8 different folders
associated to Symantec. Can I safely just delete these folders? I have
never messed with the registry so I am a little gun shy about changing
anything in it but I would like Symantec to be completely gone. Thanks

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
"cotigrifn" wrote in message
...
Recently, I was told that Norton Systemworks is not good
for w98 se. Is this true? Why?

My personal opinion is, "Yes, that's true." Why? Because it loads up

the
Registry, the antivirus is a massive and intrusive operation that

simply
isn't
necessary--many other AV solutions exist that are much leaner and less
intrusive, while still getting the job done. En fin, SystemWorks is

often
the
*cause* of major problems, probably as harmful to your system as it is

helpful.
Also, many of SystemWorks' utilities are only mostly accurate--not

100%
accurate, which explains why...

It also keeps finding the same registry problems, says it
fixes them, but the problems show up again on the next
scan.

This may be because while they may *seem* to be invalid entries, they

are
actually likely to be "conditional" entries--entries that are only

valid
under
certain conditions. And/or, they may be entries that are rewritten

when a
program is launched (and self-heals itself), or any number of similar

cases.
*OR*, they may be entries inserted by malware--malicious software--and

Win
Doctor only sees that they are invalid and has no ability to root out

the
real
cause which lies elsewhere. You need adware/spyware scanners to do the

job
right.

Should I try to get them fixed?

How about you post them here, and we can likely tell you what to do

about
them.

Thank you

You're welcome, s.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x





  #9  
Old August 14th 04, 09:36 PM
Gary S. Terhune
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Good to hear (about the restoration of performance.) As for EZ Armor LE, I
honestly have to say that I would recommend upgrading to the full version. They
have released a new version, and now that some kinks have been worked out, I can
honestly say I prefer it. The biggest problem with EZ Antivirus, however, has
always been its automatic updates. They seem to have fixed that part, and
especially if you have an "always on" system and broadband connection, it's
fine. (Use OptionsProgramAutoDownload tab.)

Otherwise, if on dial-up, or if only using the machine for a few hours per day,
I would use Windows Scheduler to run autodown.exe at startup, with interactive
interface that would prompt a dial-up (set in EZ-AV settings described above),
and then every few hours after that. (Two schedules, actually, one at startup
and one that starts every 24 hours at whatever time and repeats every hour or
two or four, duration 23:59 (hh:mm.) As it is, even though mine is automated, I
randomly remember to use the tray icon to initiate autodownload, just to make
sure. It's typical of any AV program that on the days when a new baddie hits the
wires, several AV definitions updates are issued before they get the whole thing
pinned down. In other words, I don't consider updating every 24 hours to be
often enough, not by a long shot.

The new version (EZ AV 6.2.1.1) also includes email scanning and (if I have it
right) uses the same definitions as Inoculan corporate edition, instead of
lagging behind while an EZ-specific set is created (as it is with LE and earlier
paid versions.) At $50/yr to subscribe and $25 (or possibly $30, now) to
re-subscribe, it's no longer cheap, but it's still in the reasonable range of
the cost scale for full-service AV programs.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"Phyllis" wrote in message
...
Yes, it helped the performance a great deal. My computer just zips around
among the programs, internet, etc. now. I have always felt safe and fully
protected with NIS but it just slugs down the computer until it drives me
crazy with all the illegal operations and freezeups that it causes. I have
the free EZ Armor LE (anti-virus and firewall) on it right now that I got
when I ordered the free Security CD from Microsoft. I hope it has me
protected. I can't really see it doing anything, but hopefully. . . thanks
for the info about the registry.


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Easiest way to find out is to do it--but first, make sure you back up each

Key
you intend to delete *before* deleting, using File menu, Export. This

saves each
Key as a REG file that can be easily restored. You should also make sure

you
have current SCANREG backups (files named RBnnn.CAB, where nnn is a

three-digit
number) located in C:\Windows\SYSBCKUP (a Hidden folder, so make sure

"Show All
Files" is enabled in Folder Options, View tab.) If you don't have any

current
RBnnn.CAB files, use the RUN box to run SCANREGW and say Yes to a new

backup.
Scanreg backups can be restored from a DOS boot using SCANREG /RESTORE

command.
If you need any further instruction on these topics, ask *first*. You can

even
practice using SCANREG /RESTORE from a DOS boot, to see what it looks

like, Just
don't actually restore a backup unless you really must. Likewise, you can

Export
and Merge a REG file backup without causing any problems (so long as you

don't
mess with the file.)

There are, I believe, some Registry Keys with Symantec/Norton-related

names that
aren't actually installed by Symantec but by other apps *in_case_ Symantec

apps
get installed (again, I *think* so--I'm not certain.) But so far as I

know, none
are critical.

My question to you--did uninstalling the apps help restore your system's
performance?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"Phyllis" wrote in message
...
I just recently uninstalled Norton Internet Security 2003 from my

computer.
The computer has been considerable slower since I put it on, and has

been
having a lot of freeze-ups and illegal operations, which I thought might

be
caused by Norton since they started being really bad about the same time
that I installed it.

My question is when I go into regedit there is still 8 different folders
associated to Symantec. Can I safely just delete these folders? I have
never messed with the registry so I am a little gun shy about changing
anything in it but I would like Symantec to be completely gone. Thanks

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
"cotigrifn" wrote in message
...
Recently, I was told that Norton Systemworks is not good
for w98 se. Is this true? Why?

My personal opinion is, "Yes, that's true." Why? Because it loads up

the
Registry, the antivirus is a massive and intrusive operation that

simply
isn't
necessary--many other AV solutions exist that are much leaner and less
intrusive, while still getting the job done. En fin, SystemWorks is

often
the
*cause* of major problems, probably as harmful to your system as it is
helpful.
Also, many of SystemWorks' utilities are only mostly accurate--not

100%
accurate, which explains why...

It also keeps finding the same registry problems, says it
fixes them, but the problems show up again on the next
scan.

This may be because while they may *seem* to be invalid entries, they

are
actually likely to be "conditional" entries--entries that are only

valid
under
certain conditions. And/or, they may be entries that are rewritten

when a
program is launched (and self-heals itself), or any number of similar
cases.
*OR*, they may be entries inserted by malware--malicious software--and

Win
Doctor only sees that they are invalid and has no ability to root out

the
real
cause which lies elsewhere. You need adware/spyware scanners to do the

job
right.

Should I try to get them fixed?

How about you post them here, and we can likely tell you what to do

about
them.

Thank you

You're welcome, s.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x






 




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