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JAD wrote:
Noel, 3/4 of the people that are using ME, haven't even applied the
restore patch, and restore has been dead since (whatever the date was
2001) and that's how long the 'problem' virii, system file, whatever,
has existed. Just drop the SR thing and preach the proper way to back
up. Roll back? no no no such thing in ME. lets split some more
hairs... imaging- back up -ghosting -tape - CD-ROM -DVDrom and
whatever else you can think up, is what I mean by backup. as long as
you don't include SR.

SR works sometimes, this is what you will rely on?

Sheesh!!! What a bunch of bull!!! The SR is the *only* lifeline that many
poor souls out there that don't know what they are doing have to save their
bacon when it comes down to keeping their system running, or a having to do
a complete reformat....and for arrogant jerks like you who think they are
computer guru's because they know how to change out a CD! Now you want to
try to make everyone think you know more than the experts who actaully do
know what they are talking about.

Go tell your nonsense to someone else who has their head buried in the sand.

Jan



"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
You still don't get it, do you? System Restore is not, never has
been, and never will be a replacement for a proper backup - and was
never designed as such.
What it DOES do, is enable the vast majority of users - who never
make backups - to get back to a point where their system is at least
working sufficiently well to copy their data off to another place,
while they wonder about where to take their PC to get fixed, or even
manage to fix it themselves.

SR is an invaluable tool - even for those who DO make backups -
because it allows the user to roll-back through certain errors
induced either by bad luck, bad programming, or bad user
interaction, and get the system running again.

Backups DON'T do that - unless you are talking about imaging, in
which case you quite possibly have enough knowledge to be able to
fix the system without recourse to System Restore anyhow.

Even the guys who wrote Win XP use System Restore on a regular basis
- because it's the most efficient way of handling a large number of
problems.

The fact that you choose to disable it is merely your problem, not
that of others

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's

"JAD" wrote in message
...
I'm interested in a couple of things....this 'hole' what exactly is
it? That a back up would not fix?
If you have backed up why would you worry about SR? or use it, or
let it suck up a pretty good chunk of HD space?
If you are not using a back up, why are you worrying about your data
AFTER a catastrophe? then scramble for SR? Your data was not
important anyway, erase or format and reinstall.

None of what your saying or mike makes a lick of sense, the only
sense it makes is the 'FALSE sense of security' and you need not
backup. Nor in the process of restoring, it ever mentions the
difference between the two.

Don't drop XP into it......entirely a different apple cart, MANY
other system repair features.

I bumped into Bill on the street, even though he signed my
certificate, he didn't recognize me. Much like the autographed
picture of Mike on your wall, he knows not ,of him.

Little League MVP Coach 2000- 2004


Other unimpressive Brag Lines snipped:


"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Gabriele
May I suggest that you learn a little about the OS which you claim
to know so well - and its capabilities, before proclaiming to the
world your ineptitude.

Mike has NEVER claimed that System Restore is a 'cure-all' - far
from it, he's pointed out its failings to MS (with the result that
the System Restore in XP is at least a little more user-friendly),
and constantly reminds people in these newsgroups that SR is NOT a
backup utility, but merely a 'get me out of a hole' assist.

If you have any reason to think otherwise, then I suggest that you
re-read his posts - starting with the ones he made in the Beta
newsgroups 5 years ago!

--

Beats the hell out of your idiotic ramblings about things you obviously
don't understand!!

"JAD" wrote in message
...
again with specific scenarios........

"MowGreen [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Same goes for a system infected with for instance "CoolWeb"; I
have
seen it return into the system from restore poitns

The latest CWS variant reinfests the system from a phantom Service
installed on XP systems with an associated executable and/or .dll
files that are located in Temp directories on XP and 9x systems.

By THOROUGHLY scanning the system with a reliable AV tool, not an AV
program, ( Sysclean by Trendmicro will detect infested restore
points ) and a reputable spyware program ( AdAwareSE or Spybot ),
one can determine EXACTLY which points are infested.
WHY would one have to lose all restore points ? You're supposition
is incorrect.


MowGreen [MVP]
===============
*-343-* FDNY
Never Forgotten
===============

what are you guys SR fanatics...........its crap...don't you read?
There are some that get their bacon saved...its a lark. Most ME
systems that survived the XP craze are pretty used up and
abused(except for the illustrious MVP machines) and haven't had much
done to them in years. Virii and all kinds of stuff have made it grind
to a stop, and the 1 gig celery is now considered the problem. System
restore is USELESS. There is none because it died 2 years ago. You
guys read out of a book and think it applies to every situation or
because it works on yours and the MVP's that it works for everybody.
TOTAL FANTASY LAND let me introduce you reality the MVP's MVP's
reality....get to know one another...

"Jan Il" wrote in message
...
JAD wrote:
Noel, 3/4 of the people that are using ME, haven't even applied
the
restore patch, and restore has been dead since (whatever the date
was
2001) and that's how long the 'problem' virii, system file,
whatever,
has existed. Just drop the SR thing and preach the proper way to
back
up. Roll back? no no no such thing in ME. lets split some more
hairs... imaging- back up -ghosting -tape - CD-ROM -DVDrom and
whatever else you can think up, is what I mean by backup. as long
as
you don't include SR.

SR works sometimes, this is what you will rely on?

Sheesh!!! What a bunch of bull!!! The SR is the *only* lifeline
that many
poor souls out there that don't know what they are doing have to
save their
bacon when it comes down to keeping their system running, or a
having to do
a complete reformat....and for arrogant jerks like you who think
they are
computer guru's because they know how to change out a CD! Now you
want to
try to make everyone think you know more than the experts who
actaully do
know what they are talking about.

Go tell your nonsense to someone else who has their head buried in
the sand.

Jan



"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
You still don't get it, do you? System Restore is not, never has
been, and never will be a replacement for a proper backup - and
was
never designed as such.
What it DOES do, is enable the vast majority of users - who never
make backups - to get back to a point where their system is at
least
working sufficiently well to copy their data off to another
place,
while they wonder about where to take their PC to get fixed, or
even
manage to fix it themselves.

SR is an invaluable tool - even for those who DO make backups -
because it allows the user to roll-back through certain errors
induced either by bad luck, bad programming, or bad user
interaction, and get the system running again.

Backups DON'T do that - unless you are talking about imaging, in
which case you quite possibly have enough knowledge to be able to
fix the system without recourse to System Restore anyhow.

Even the guys who wrote Win XP use System Restore on a regular
basis
- because it's the most efficient way of handling a large number
of
problems.

The fact that you choose to disable it is merely your problem,
not
that of others

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages
to
NG's

"JAD" wrote in message
...
I'm interested in a couple of things....this 'hole' what exactly
is
it? That a back up would not fix?
If you have backed up why would you worry about SR? or use it,
or
let it suck up a pretty good chunk of HD space?
If you are not using a back up, why are you worrying about your
data
AFTER a catastrophe? then scramble for SR? Your data was not
important anyway, erase or format and reinstall.

None of what your saying or mike makes a lick of sense, the only
sense it makes is the 'FALSE sense of security' and you need
not
backup. Nor in the process of restoring, it ever mentions the
difference between the two.

Don't drop XP into it......entirely a different apple cart,
MANY
other system repair features.

I bumped into Bill on the street, even though he signed my
certificate, he didn't recognize me. Much like the autographed
picture of Mike on your wall, he knows not ,of him.

Little League MVP Coach 2000- 2004


Other unimpressive Brag Lines snipped:


"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Gabriele
May I suggest that you learn a little about the OS which you
claim
to know so well - and its capabilities, before proclaiming to
the
world your ineptitude.

Mike has NEVER claimed that System Restore is a 'cure-all' -
far
from it, he's pointed out its failings to MS (with the result
that
the System Restore in XP is at least a little more
user-friendly),
and constantly reminds people in these newsgroups that SR is
NOT a
backup utility, but merely a 'get me out of a hole' assist.

If you have any reason to think otherwise, then I suggest that
you
re-read his posts - starting with the ones he made in the Beta
newsgroups 5 years ago!

--

Mike Maltby, MS-MVP, wrote to
alt.windows-me,microsoft.public.windowsme.general,alt.comp.fre eware

you are clearly speaking from your nether regions.

This is a request that the posters in the microsoft groups will please
remove alt.comp.freeware from this thread.


[1]
In alt.comp.freeware, we have a comparatively good record of civility.
We try to avoid those ad hominem attacks when we debate.

Yet: we can be as vulnerable as any other group to periodically
slipping into flame wars, especially when the atmosphere gets tainted.
Posts like the majority in this thread, they make for a corrosion
on the mutal-respect, the basic manners, which we strive to maintain
in our group.


[2]
None of this subject is on-topic to alt.comp.freeware.

Our topic is freeware.

Whatever various MVP's feel about the commercial Windows ME OS, that is
not a topic for our newsgroup.


____________________________

So, PLEASE, PLEASE. Will those who continue this thread please consider
taking a moment to trim your newsgroups line? Make it your good deed for
the day....



--
Karen S.

Why don't *you* listen (for a change?)?
MANY people in these newsgroups have been 'saved' by System Restore - just
because you find that it doesn't suit the way you ant to set up your PC
doesn't mean that the same is true of others!
All you need to do is to look back through Google to see the numbers.

Granted - if people aren't savvy enough to use Windows Update, then they're
stuffed - but then they'd be stuffed anyhow, with or without System Restore

Your circumstances are NOT those of the vast majority of ME users - let the
real world get on with life, until you find one.



--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"JAD" wrote in message
...
what are you guys SR fanatics...........its crap...don't you read?
There are some that get their bacon saved...its a lark. Most ME
systems that survived the XP craze are pretty used up and
abused(except for the illustrious MVP machines) and haven't had much
done to them in years. Virii and all kinds of stuff have made it grind
to a stop, and the 1 gig celery is now considered the problem. System
restore is USELESS. There is none because it died 2 years ago. You
guys read out of a book and think it applies to every situation or
because it works on yours and the MVP's that it works for everybody.
TOTAL FANTASY LAND let me introduce you reality the MVP's MVP's
reality....get to know one another...

"Jan Il" wrote in message
...
JAD wrote:
Noel, 3/4 of the people that are using ME, haven't even applied
the
restore patch, and restore has been dead since (whatever the date
was
2001) and that's how long the 'problem' virii, system file,
whatever,
has existed. Just drop the SR thing and preach the proper way to
back
up. Roll back? no no no such thing in ME. lets split some more
hairs... imaging- back up -ghosting -tape - CD-ROM -DVDrom and
whatever else you can think up, is what I mean by backup. as long
as
you don't include SR.

SR works sometimes, this is what you will rely on?

Sheesh!!! What a bunch of bull!!! The SR is the *only* lifeline
that many
poor souls out there that don't know what they are doing have to
save their
bacon when it comes down to keeping their system running, or a
having to do
a complete reformat....and for arrogant jerks like you who think
they are
computer guru's because they know how to change out a CD! Now you
want to
try to make everyone think you know more than the experts who
actaully do
know what they are talking about.

Go tell your nonsense to someone else who has their head buried in
the sand.

Jan



"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
You still don't get it, do you? System Restore is not, never has
been, and never will be a replacement for a proper backup - and
was
never designed as such.
What it DOES do, is enable the vast majority of users - who never
make backups - to get back to a point where their system is at
least
working sufficiently well to copy their data off to another
place,
while they wonder about where to take their PC to get fixed, or
even
manage to fix it themselves.

SR is an invaluable tool - even for those who DO make backups -
because it allows the user to roll-back through certain errors
induced either by bad luck, bad programming, or bad user
interaction, and get the system running again.

Backups DON'T do that - unless you are talking about imaging, in
which case you quite possibly have enough knowledge to be able to
fix the system without recourse to System Restore anyhow.

Even the guys who wrote Win XP use System Restore on a regular
basis
- because it's the most efficient way of handling a large number
of
problems.

The fact that you choose to disable it is merely your problem,
not
that of others

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages
to
NG's

"JAD" wrote in message
...
I'm interested in a couple of things....this 'hole' what exactly
is
it? That a back up would not fix?
If you have backed up why would you worry about SR? or use it,
or
let it suck up a pretty good chunk of HD space?
If you are not using a back up, why are you worrying about your
data
AFTER a catastrophe? then scramble for SR? Your data was not
important anyway, erase or format and reinstall.

None of what your saying or mike makes a lick of sense, the only
sense it makes is the 'FALSE sense of security' and you need
not
backup. Nor in the process of restoring, it ever mentions the
difference between the two.

Don't drop XP into it......entirely a different apple cart,
MANY
other system repair features.

I bumped into Bill on the street, even though he signed my
certificate, he didn't recognize me. Much like the autographed
picture of Mike on your wall, he knows not ,of him.

Little League MVP Coach 2000- 2004


Other unimpressive Brag Lines snipped:


"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Gabriele
May I suggest that you learn a little about the OS which you
claim
to know so well - and its capabilities, before proclaiming to
the
world your ineptitude.

Mike has NEVER claimed that System Restore is a 'cure-all' -
far
from it, he's pointed out its failings to MS (with the result
that
the System Restore in XP is at least a little more
user-friendly),
and constantly reminds people in these newsgroups that SR is
NOT a
backup utility, but merely a 'get me out of a hole' assist.

If you have any reason to think otherwise, then I suggest that
you
re-read his posts - starting with the ones he made in the Beta
newsgroups 5 years ago!

--

With all due respect....
1) we have no way to know from where the responses to our posts are coming -
except that on purely subjective terms, it's unlikely to be from the Windows
newsgroups. That leaves a 50/50 chance of excluding the wrong people!)
2) The OP may have posted from your NG - and consider this on-topic, since
System Restore is a 'free' utility built into Windows ME and Windows XP (and
no other operating system.
3) the attacks are originating not from the MVPs - but from folk who have
obviously no regard for factual discussion. Such diatribes from the
'MS-bashers' are not infrequent. Unfortunately your (worthy) NG appears to
have been dragged into the result as an unwilling host

With the above in mind, I will continue to respond to these disingenuous and
misleading posts, in all the groups to which they are posted. I suggest
that you request the 'strangers in the house' to remove your NG from their
posts - I will most certainly not add it back in (this one time is an
exception for which I apologise).



--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"Please Remove ACF from this thread" wrote in message
...
Mike Maltby, MS-MVP, wrote to
alt.windows-me,microsoft.public.windowsme.general,alt.comp.fre eware

you are clearly speaking from your nether regions.

This is a request that the posters in the microsoft groups will please
remove alt.comp.freeware from this thread.


[1]
In alt.comp.freeware, we have a comparatively good record of civility.
We try to avoid those ad hominem attacks when we debate.

Yet: we can be as vulnerable as any other group to periodically
slipping into flame wars, especially when the atmosphere gets tainted.
Posts like the majority in this thread, they make for a corrosion
on the mutal-respect, the basic manners, which we strive to maintain
in our group.


[2]
None of this subject is on-topic to alt.comp.freeware.

Our topic is freeware.

Whatever various MVP's feel about the commercial Windows ME OS, that is
not a topic for our newsgroup.

On that special day, Noel Paton, )
said...

In the MS newsgroups, it's common practice to allow any form of posting
without comment,

Hm, then we must have a different Microsoft news server over here in
Germany, which is sporting this link.

http://support.microsoft.com/default...DE;NGNetikette

"Kürzen Sie zitierten Text auf ein Minimum" - snip the quoted text to
the minimum of what is required

"Das so genannte TOFU (Text oben Fullquote unten) ist für die User sehr
unübersichtlich und verlängert nur unnötig die Downloadzeit." - the so
called TOFU (text on top, fullquote under text) appears to be very
unclear to other users, and elongates the download time.

Heh- maybe I am living on Mars, bnut this is what I can read in the
*German* section of the Microsoft news entry pages.

"Versenden Sie keine Multipostings oder Crosspostings" - don't multipost
or crosspost - I am currently writing from alt.comp.freeware, why did
this happen?

In short - you have (again) shown exactly how little you know!

Erm, what do I NOT know?

These interesting pages for instance? An interesting read on Malware and
system restore issues a

http://vil.nai.com/vil/SystemHelpDoc...SysRestore.htm
And
http://vil.mcafeesecurity.com/vil/co...rint101447.htm
contains a link to the first page. Guess why. I thing McAfee doesn't
talk ********.

You see, the malware has changed within the last three years. Yet
Windows XP is basically using the same old system restore from three
years ago (or four, if you take the WinME SR into account). No one in
the year 2000 could anticipate the things that are constantly happening
*now*. I don't blame MS for making *this* kind of SR; I just want to
make clear that time has made it partially dysfunctional. And that is a
fact.

BTW: The German MVPs often recommend to disable SR when removing malware
from an infected ME or XP computer. We have had some first hand
experience with Blaster, Sasser and Netsky, as it had been two Germans,
who "created" these critters. There is a connection between this
experience and our obstinate demanding that SR should be disabled when
clearing a machine from any given malware. And this connection isn't
founded on plain paranoia.

And then there are these security fanatic fundamentalists which ask you
to do even more drastical things - "flatten and rebuild".

See
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/com...mt/sm0504.mspx

Better *don't* ask such a German security newsgroup regular whether you
can keep your current setup, without formatting your partitions, as
you'll be flamed crisp.

I didn't even go that far...


Gabriele Neukam




--
Ah, Information. A good, too valuable these days, to give it away, just
so, at no cost.

Just because the AV companies say something does not make it so! - they
frequently talk BS (especially where SR is concerned).
NAV still insist that their software is compatible with Win ME (and
presumably other Win9x systems) despite massive evidence to the contrary.
How recently did they realise that diallers and commercial malware was
around, and start doing something about it, after denying any relevance for
years?

I am aware of the difference of opinions in the disabling of System Restore
during cleaning of systems, and on occasion recommend it myself - but ONLY
under certain circumstances, when SR is unlikely to be of assistance in any
cure, or has already been proved to be ineffective for technical reasons
unconnected with the infection.

WRT the advice in the MS page you mention, yes, I am aware of it, and to an
extent agree with it - however, I feel that in general, if a poster comes to
the ME newsgroups, they are likely to be using the *abysmal* MS CDO
interface (HTML), and many of these poor souls seem unable to find the '+'
key to expand a thread - and therefore deserve to get the full history of
the response should they feel so inclined, within the single post. Where I
consider it appropriate, I do snip.

Your demonstration of your own ignorance is growing in direct proportion to
the length of this thread.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

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"Gabriele Neukam" wrote in message
...
On that special day, Noel Paton, )
These interesting pages for instance? An interesting read on Malware and
system restore issues a

http://vil.nai.com/vil/SystemHelpDoc...SysRestore.htm
And
http://vil.mcafeesecurity.com/vil/co...rint101447.htm
contains a link to the first page. Guess why. I thing McAfee doesn't
talk ********.

your out of touch...............its obvious

you haven't listened to anybody since you tagged yourself with that
moniker



"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Why don't *you* listen (for a change?)?
MANY people in these newsgroups have been 'saved' by System
Restore - just
because you find that it doesn't suit the way you ant to set up your
PC
doesn't mean that the same is true of others!
All you need to do is to look back through Google to see the
numbers.

Granted - if people aren't savvy enough to use Windows Update, then
they're
stuffed - but then they'd be stuffed anyhow, with or without System
Restore

Your circumstances are NOT those of the vast majority of ME users -
let the
real world get on with life, until you find one.



--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's

"JAD" wrote in message
...
what are you guys SR fanatics...........its crap...don't you read?
There are some that get their bacon saved...its a lark. Most ME
systems that survived the XP craze are pretty used up and
abused(except for the illustrious MVP machines) and haven't had
much
done to them in years. Virii and all kinds of stuff have made it
grind
to a stop, and the 1 gig celery is now considered the problem.
System
restore is USELESS. There is none because it died 2 years ago.
You
guys read out of a book and think it applies to every situation or
because it works on yours and the MVP's that it works for
everybody.
TOTAL FANTASY LAND let me introduce you reality the MVP's
MVP's
reality....get to know one another...

"Jan Il" wrote in message
...
JAD wrote:
Noel, 3/4 of the people that are using ME, haven't even applied
the
restore patch, and restore has been dead since (whatever the
date
was
2001) and that's how long the 'problem' virii, system file,
whatever,
has existed. Just drop the SR thing and preach the proper way
to
back
up. Roll back? no no no such thing in ME. lets split some more
hairs... imaging- back up -ghosting -tape - CD-ROM -DVDrom and
whatever else you can think up, is what I mean by backup. as
long
as
you don't include SR.

SR works sometimes, this is what you will rely on?

Sheesh!!! What a bunch of bull!!! The SR is the *only* lifeline
that many
poor souls out there that don't know what they are doing have to
save their
bacon when it comes down to keeping their system running, or a
having to do
a complete reformat....and for arrogant jerks like you who think
they are
computer guru's because they know how to change out a CD! Now
you
want to
try to make everyone think you know more than the experts who
actaully do
know what they are talking about.

Go tell your nonsense to someone else who has their head buried
in
the sand.

Jan



"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
You still don't get it, do you? System Restore is not, never
has
been, and never will be a replacement for a proper backup -
and
was
never designed as such.
What it DOES do, is enable the vast majority of users - who
never
make backups - to get back to a point where their system is at
least
working sufficiently well to copy their data off to another
place,
while they wonder about where to take their PC to get fixed,
or
even
manage to fix it themselves.

SR is an invaluable tool - even for those who DO make
backups -
because it allows the user to roll-back through certain
errors
induced either by bad luck, bad programming, or bad user
interaction, and get the system running again.

Backups DON'T do that - unless you are talking about imaging,
in
which case you quite possibly have enough knowledge to be able
to
fix the system without recourse to System Restore anyhow.

Even the guys who wrote Win XP use System Restore on a regular
basis
- because it's the most efficient way of handling a large
number
of
problems.

The fact that you choose to disable it is merely your problem,
not
that of others

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post
messages
to
NG's

"JAD" wrote in message
...
I'm interested in a couple of things....this 'hole' what
exactly
is
it? That a back up would not fix?
If you have backed up why would you worry about SR? or use
it,
or
let it suck up a pretty good chunk of HD space?
If you are not using a back up, why are you worrying about
your
data
AFTER a catastrophe? then scramble for SR? Your data was not
important anyway, erase or format and reinstall.

None of what your saying or mike makes a lick of sense, the
only
sense it makes is the 'FALSE sense of security' and you need
not
backup. Nor in the process of restoring, it ever mentions the
difference between the two.

Don't drop XP into it......entirely a different apple cart,
MANY
other system repair features.

I bumped into Bill on the street, even though he signed my
certificate, he didn't recognize me. Much like the
autographed
picture of Mike on your wall, he knows not ,of him.

Little League MVP Coach 2000- 2004


Other unimpressive Brag Lines snipped:


"Noel Paton" wrote in
message
...
Gabriele
May I suggest that you learn a little about the OS which you
claim
to know so well - and its capabilities, before proclaiming
to
the
world your ineptitude.

Mike has NEVER claimed that System Restore is a 'cure-all' -
far
from it, he's pointed out its failings to MS (with the
result
that
the System Restore in XP is at least a little more
user-friendly),
and constantly reminds people in these newsgroups that SR is
NOT a
backup utility, but merely a 'get me out of a hole' assist.

If you have any reason to think otherwise, then I suggest
that
you
re-read his posts - starting with the ones he made in the
Beta
newsgroups 5 years ago!

--

attacks = anything contrary to your preaching. You think this is an
ATTACK? sad ..



"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
With all due respect....
1) we have no way to know from where the responses to our posts are
coming -
except that on purely subjective terms, it's unlikely to be from the
Windows
newsgroups. That leaves a 50/50 chance of excluding the wrong
people!)
2) The OP may have posted from your NG - and consider this on-topic,
since
System Restore is a 'free' utility built into Windows ME and Windows
XP (and
no other operating system.
3) the attacks are originating not from the MVPs - but from folk who
have
obviously no regard for factual discussion. Such diatribes from the
'MS-bashers' are not infrequent. Unfortunately your (worthy) NG
appears to
have been dragged into the result as an unwilling host

With the above in mind, I will continue to respond to these
disingenuous and
misleading posts, in all the groups to which they are posted. I
suggest
that you request the 'strangers in the house' to remove your NG from
their
posts - I will most certainly not add it back in (this one time is
an
exception for which I apologise).



--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's

"Please Remove ACF from this thread" wrote in
message
...
Mike Maltby, MS-MVP, wrote to

alt.windows-me,microsoft.public.windowsme.general,alt.comp.fre eware

you are clearly speaking from your nether regions.

This is a request that the posters in the microsoft groups will
please
remove alt.comp.freeware from this thread.


[1]
In alt.comp.freeware, we have a comparatively good record of
civility.
We try to avoid those ad hominem attacks when we debate.

Yet: we can be as vulnerable as any other group to periodically
slipping into flame wars, especially when the atmosphere gets
tainted.
Posts like the majority in this thread, they make for a corrosion
on the mutal-respect, the basic manners, which we strive to
maintain
in our group.


[2]
None of this subject is on-topic to alt.comp.freeware.

Our topic is freeware.

Whatever various MVP's feel about the commercial Windows ME OS,
that is
not a topic for our newsgroup.