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System Resources?
I seem to be pegged at 61% after unchecking most of my SU items, plus a
defrag and reboot. What am I missing? TIA Bob -- ---------------------------------------------------- This mailbox protected from junk email by MailFrontier Desktop from MailFrontier, Inc. http://info.mailfrontier.com |
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Do you mean that you can't get free system resources above 61%? That's not
a figure that should cause any concern. Some machines can be configured to near 80%, but the difference is not significant. There is no performance penalty in using resources. -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) "Bob Johnson" wrote in message news:dmPQd.43155$GT.3366@okepread01... I seem to be pegged at 61% after unchecking most of my SU items, plus a defrag and reboot. What am I missing? TIA Bob -- ---------------------------------------------------- This mailbox protected from junk email by MailFrontier Desktop from MailFrontier, Inc. http://info.mailfrontier.com |
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This web page has an explanation of "System Resources" in Windows.
http://www.apptools.com/rants/resources.php The following was written by Ron Martell, a Microsoft MVP: Here is my standard explanation regarding System Resources, which may be of some assistance. System Resources refers to two 64K blocks of memory that Windows allocates to programs for tracking purposes. These blocks are called User Resources and GDI Resources respectively and Windows reports whichever has the least available free space as the value for "Free System Resources". The value of Free System Resources should not be a concern unless and until you start getting "System Resources are getting low" type warning messages, which generally happens at about the 10% level. In test circumstances it has been shown possible for a computer to operate at full performance with System Resources showing zero percent free. System Resources are totally unrelated to the amount of RAM installed in your computer and adding more RAM will not affect the System Resources (unless you start running more applications because you have more RAM). System Resource usage is determined by the number and type of applications that you have running on the computer. Certain types of applications have been shown to be especially demanding in terms of System Resource usage: - "Eye and Ear Candy" such as Active Desktop View As Web Page, sound effect schemes, animated mouse cursors and desktop icons, and fancy screen savers. - Web browsers, as each open browser window requires additional resources. - Multimedia applications of all types - System monitoring utilities such as Norton SystemWorks. If you are using any applications that have the ability to "preview fonts in fonts list" such as Office 2000 then all of the installed fonts will be loaded into GDI resources when the application is launched. This will result in the usage of approximately 1% of GDI resources for each 64 fonts that are installed. If no such applications are in use, or if the "preview fonts in fonts list" is turned off then resources will only be consumed by those fonts that have actually been used by windows or by an application. If you are running any 16 bit applications (Windows 3.x) then Windows 95/98/Me will treat the System Resources allocated to all of these applications as one block and will not release any of them for reuse unless and until all of the open 16 bit applications have been closed. Also, when an application is loaded it is quite common that it will also require some additional Windows components to be loaded as well. However, when that application is closed Windows will, by design, retain the Windows components because they are likely to be needed again. Therefore the resources initially allocated when an application is opened will not all be released when that application is closed. Most, but not all. Footnote: To be absolutely technically correct, there are 5 System Resource heaps not just 2, the two 16 bit 64K ones plus three 32 bit ones. The 32 bit ones are big enough so that there has never been a documented instance of resource usage problems caused by them, so it is simpler to pretend they do not exist and just focus on the two 64K resource heaps when troubleshooting system resource related problems. Bill Starbuck (MVP) |
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"Bob Johnson" wrote in message news:dmPQd.43155$GT.3366@okepread01... I seem to be pegged at 61% after unchecking most of my SU items, plus a defrag and reboot. What am I missing? Probably nothing. 61% seems quite reasonable Run MSINFO32 If you are on dial-up, you'll see something like.............. KERNEL32.DLL Win32 Kernel core component MSGSRV32.EXE Windows 32-bit VxD Message Server MPREXE.EXE Win32 Network Interface Service Process MMTASK.TSK Multimedia background task support module EXPLORER.EXE Windows Explorer AKA Windows RPCSS.EXE Distributed COM Services SYSTRAY.EXE System Tray Applet SPOOL32.EXE Spooler Sub System Process RNAAPP.EXE Dial-Up Networking Application TAPISRV.EXE Microsoft Windows Telephony Server DDHELP.EXE Microsoft DirectX Helper MSIMN.EXE Outlook Express PSTORES.EXE Protected storage server plus one or more instances of IEXPLORE.EXE Internet Explorer plus your virus scanner, firewall, spyware detect-and-blast, etc Cable or DSL will have a similar but not identical laundry list. You may have Outlook instead of Outlook Express. Maybe Firefox is in there somewhere. Or Opera. Free Agent. Adobe Reader. And countless other Servers, Processes, Browsers and add-ons. Regardless, they need resources to run. Lots of people think that there is something wrong if they are not above 80%. That theory has no validity. |
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Do you suffer any further degradation after running apps? How low does
it get then? I believe them when they say it is OK to be low. Nevertheless, in Resource Meter, System is always the lower of USER & GDI. Here are my figures directly after boot, & right now, having been on/off the NET... System: 80%; User: 80%; GDI: 92% System: 68%; User: 68%; GDI: 80% GDI has more to do with the video display/adapter, & mine improved by 10% or so by switching to a smaller monitor, (not that I did so on purpose). If USER is the lower, it is more likely it is something left in your startup group doing it. (I have a ton of McAfee & Compaq in mine, yet those are my figures.) I'm not sure, but can it be something in Autoexec.bat or Config.sys can do it? Perhaps, "START button, Run, SysEdit", & post those two files. For investigative purposes... (1) WinTop will show as many tasks running as "START, Run, MSInfo32, Software Environment, Running Tasks", which is twice as many as Ctrl-Alt-Del. Microsoft's WinTop works in Win98, though written for Win95. It shows individual CPU & RAM usage figures & updates it's display every 2 seconds. Get WinTop from http://www.microsoft.com/windows95/d.../w95kerneltoy/ Download it into a folder of it's own. It's a single executable called "W95KRNLTOYS.EXE". When you click it, it will unzip and reveal many applications. All of them are a danger to Win98, except WinTop; delete them. You will be left with: W95KRNLTOYS.EXE WINTOP.INF WINTOP.TXT WINTOP.VXD WINTOP.EXE You R-Clk WINTOP.INF & select "Install". Click OK to the requestor stating that a disk is required. Another requestor will appear & allow you to locate the folder that has the files listed above. WinTop.exe will be copied to C:\Windows. You may go there, R-Clk it, point to "Send To" & create a shortcut on the Desktop. Click it to execute. Otherwise, "START, Run, WinTop". Yikes, what a RAM hog Explorer is-- & NetZero too! They are eating this machine alive! Explorer: 18 threads. Code Data Allocated: 15,624K 7,932K In memory: 5,888K 6,688K In use 3,522K 3,552K NetZero: 37 threads. Code Data Allocated: 7,624K 16,348K In memory: 3,272K 9,252K In use 2,488K 8,252K NetZero: 3 more threads (icon in tray). Code Data Allocated: 3,248K 4,012K In memory: 876K 1,164K In use 440K 696K (2) Do you have "System Monitor" in START... System Tools? If not, get it from "START, Settings, Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs, Windows Setup tab, D-Clk System Tools, check System Monitor, OK, Apply, OK". May as well take "Resource Meter", too. Now, go through the menus and at least have it display (a) Swap file in use. (b) Swap file size. (c) Swappable memory. (d) Unused physical memory. (e) Allocated memory. (f) Disk cache size. (g) Locked memory (h) Other memory (i) Kernel Processor Usage (j) Kernel Threads Hopefully, by the time you have it set up and commence to asking questions, someone will be around who can answer them. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR "Bob Johnson" wrote in message news:dmPQd.43155$GT.3366@okepread01... | I seem to be pegged at 61% after unchecking most of my SU items, plus a | defrag and reboot. | | What am I missing? | | TIA | | Bob | | -- | | | ---------------------------------------------------- | This mailbox protected from junk email by MailFrontier Desktop | from MailFrontier, Inc. http://info.mailfrontier.com | | |
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Well, thanks for all the good advice, guys -- I was living in the dark ages
of 90% plus or something's gonna grab ya. Bob -- ---------------------------------------------------- This mailbox protected from junk email by MailFrontier Desktop from MailFrontier, Inc. http://info.mailfrontier.com "Bob Johnson" wrote in message news:dmPQd.43155$GT.3366@okepread01... I seem to be pegged at 61% after unchecking most of my SU items, plus a defrag and reboot. What am I missing? TIA Bob -- ---------------------------------------------------- This mailbox protected from junk email by MailFrontier Desktop from MailFrontier, Inc. http://info.mailfrontier.com |
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You are welcome.
-- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR "Bob Johnson" wrote in message news:YH2Rd.47912$GT.41139@okepread01... | Well, thanks for all the good advice, guys -- I was living in the dark ages | of 90% plus or something's gonna grab ya. | | Bob | | -- | | | ---------------------------------------------------- | This mailbox protected from junk email by MailFrontier Desktop | from MailFrontier, Inc. http://info.mailfrontier.com | | "Bob Johnson" wrote in message | news:dmPQd.43155$GT.3366@okepread01... | I seem to be pegged at 61% after unchecking most of my SU items, plus a | defrag and reboot. | | What am I missing? | | TIA | | Bob | | -- | | | ---------------------------------------------------- | This mailbox protected from junk email by MailFrontier Desktop | from MailFrontier, Inc. http://info.mailfrontier.com | | | | |
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