Some Advice Please

Job:
That's where your 6th sense comes in, to detect those sites 'before
opening'. Most of the *bad stuff* originates from there, including the
latest worm, whatshummacallit?
Responsibility, the ones who can afford it, don't have it and the ones who
can't, are burdened with it!
It's a cruel world to live in.

Harry.


"Job" wrote in message
...
Common sense and experience sounds good however it's a
sneaky world out there.
A year or so back I thought I would like to learn how to
braid a bullwhip and learn to pop it, etc. Did a Google for
bullwhips and was amazed at the types of sites listed.
Some of them were defined so innocently that I didn't
realize they were porn-ish until I clicked on them.

Job says, "One problem in our world is that nobody wants to
take responsibility for anything-but don't quote me on
that."

"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Common sense and experience, what's that,

Not browsing sites such as hunkyspunk.sex or
lavishinglolita.sex vbg
And no, I have not the slightest idea whether these sites
exist and have
no inclination to bother to check. :-)
--
Mike


Joan Archer wrote:

lol Meant to put an answer about this part in my last
reply g

Common sense and experience, what's that, I may have
some of the
first but very lacking in the second g although my
surfing is
mainly limited to articles I've picked up from
experienced people or
my shopping, never anything dubious and very boring g
By the time
I've got through all my ng's and the Auhma forum two or
three times a
day don't have time to go anywhere else, I am supposed
to cook and
clean at some point in the day g

I don't think it's such esoteric knowledge, Noel, that you appear arrogant
for imparting it. I think there's a necessity to teach not only that aids
such as a HOSTS file are important to the relatively-inexperienced
web-user*, but also that eventually they won't be.

* (To me the name 'Newbie' is actually more arrogant, at least while there
remain generations that have not grown up with surfer-speak)

Shane

Noel Paton wrote:
I just realised that may have come across as incredibly arrogant! -
believe me, I'm still learning!! (may have passed the stage I exams -
more to learn before I get the certificate!)


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NG's "Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
"I ain't never used a HOSTS file yet!!" - and I really see no need
to, unless you're in the habit of going to 'dodgy' sites!
Having said that, I do consider essential for those who are in the
early stages of their computer-competence exams.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

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"Job" wrote:
Silj, thanks for the link. I have printed it out and now
need to digest the info before implementing. I've also just
become aware of the MVPS Host at
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm.

This appears to be a good thing but I need to read more.
Right now I don't have any idea of what a "Host File" is nor
why I should care g.

Your welcome for the link.
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/restricted.htm#Setting
*This* HOSTS file is practically a necessity these days.
All the information is in the link and FAQ.
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hostsfaq.htm

Silj

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Couldn't get around to this, until now, Heather.
If you dislike"liberals", how come you dislike "George"?
He is not a liberal at all in political terms, but surely most liberal in
his actions. That can't go unpunished in the long run.
There is such a thing as universal justice, isn't it?

Harry.


"Heather" wrote in message
...
About Silj's peculiar taste in websites?? (grin) Or about our superior
method of electing a Prime Minister (mega-grin). We can also kick the
PM out if we don't like him. Too bad you can't do that to Bush!!!!

XX Figgs

"webster72n" wrote in message
...
Hey:
Wasn't it 'dodgy' sites?
How did that 'dog' get in there and "how much is that dog in the
window"?
And who are the "liberals"?? Really???

Harry,
don't know much, but would like to know more.


"siljaline" wrote in message
...
"Heather" wrote:
"DOGGY SITES"????

SICK PUPPY!! ROFL!!

Oops!

Silj

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_________________________________________
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Reply to group, as return address
is invalid that we may all benefit.

If the HOSTS file is so useless to the experienced user, why does it remain
a staple on an MVP site.......is it simply to aid the inexperienced user?
After reading about it, years ago, it sounded like a good idea to me and I
have been using it ever since. As it works silently in the background,
without consuming any processing power (to speak of) and takes up little
space, where is the harm? Does it not prevent redirects to unsavory third
party sites and block ads/cookies/web bugs from the same? Maybe I need to
do more reading about it......or, then again, maybe it is worthwhile.
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
Heirloom, old and there's no place like
127.0.0.1
oh yeah, and I also use the
Hoster app to manage the file.....
makes it easy to add irritants like
'doubleclick' to the list.

"Shane" wrote in message
...
I don't think it's such esoteric knowledge, Noel, that you appear arrogant
for imparting it. I think there's a necessity to teach not only that aids
such as a HOSTS file are important to the relatively-inexperienced
web-user*, but also that eventually they won't be.

* (To me the name 'Newbie' is actually more arrogant, at least while there
remain generations that have not grown up with surfer-speak)

Shane

Noel Paton wrote:
I just realised that may have come across as incredibly arrogant! -
believe me, I'm still learning!! (may have passed the stage I exams -
more to learn before I get the certificate!)


Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's "Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
"I ain't never used a HOSTS file yet!!" - and I really see no need
to, unless you're in the habit of going to 'dodgy' sites!
Having said that, I do consider essential for those who are in the
early stages of their computer-competence exams.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's "siljaline" wrote in message
...
"Job" wrote:
Silj, thanks for the link. I have printed it out and now
need to digest the info before implementing. I've also just
become aware of the MVPS Host at
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm.

This appears to be a good thing but I need to read more.
Right now I don't have any idea of what a "Host File" is nor
why I should care g.

Your welcome for the link.
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/restricted.htm#Setting
*This* HOSTS file is practically a necessity these days.
All the information is in the link and FAQ.
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hostsfaq.htm

Silj

--
siljaline

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_________________________________________
Security Tools Updates
http://aumha.net/viewforum.php?f=31

Reply to group, as return address
is invalid that we may all benefit.

Our system is totally different than yours, for starters. Your
definition of a *liberal* is different than ours. We have 4 main
parties here......Liberals, Conservatives, New Democratic Party and Bloc
Quebecois. The first two get the most seats in Parliament.

Our Liberal PM was not doing the job properly.....he had to go. The new
leader has some warts as well. I could not vote for him. He is way too
friendly with Bush.....and Bush is heartily disliked by most of the
world, not just us. We don't agree with the war in Iraq and now the
Americans know they were lied to by him re this war. But we, in the
rest of the world, knew it from damn near the beginning, because our TV
stations reported the *whole truth*....not the watered-down truth you
guys got for a long time.

Bush is run by the Religious Right and Big Pharma, for starters. We
don't allow politics to mix with religion. They are separate and apart.
We also have an excellent national healthcare program....you don't.
Bush doesn't want you folks to have a subsidized healthcare program.
Big Pharma tells him what to do. I compare prescription and surgery
prices with friends in the US and your costs totally appall me!!

No thanks......you can keep Bush and I am quite happy to live in a
country that may have higher taxes, but a hell of a lot of benefits from
those same taxes. Most countries have some form of national healthcare,
but the US is one of the few that doesn't.

Oh boy.....if there was such a thing as *universal justice*, Bush would
burn in hell.....lol. However, there is *karma*. I don't envy him his
next life, grin.

Off my soap box now. But to set the record straight, I like most of the
Americans I personally know (are you listening, Loon??)......but why is
it that the only Americans we see up here on holidays are the obnoxious
ones?? Or for that matter, anywhere in the world. I make sure I have a
visible Canadian flag on me when I travel....(g, d & r vvvvf, as Noel
would say)

OK.....that's my view. Feel free to disagree.

Cheers.....a diehard Canuck.

"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Couldn't get around to this, until now, Heather.
If you dislike"liberals", how come you dislike "George"?
He is not a liberal at all in political terms, but surely most liberal
in
his actions. That can't go unpunished in the long run.
There is such a thing as universal justice, isn't it?

Harry.


"Heather" wrote in message
...
About Silj's peculiar taste in websites?? (grin) Or about our
superior
method of electing a Prime Minister (mega-grin). We can also kick
the
PM out if we don't like him. Too bad you can't do that to Bush!!!!

XX Figgs

"webster72n" wrote in message
...
Hey:
Wasn't it 'dodgy' sites?
How did that 'dog' get in there and "how much is that dog in the
window"?
And who are the "liberals"?? Really???

Harry,
don't know much, but would like to know more.


"siljaline" wrote in message
...
"Heather" wrote:
"DOGGY SITES"????

SICK PUPPY!! ROFL!!

Oops!

Silj

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Not *useless*, H, non-essential. I install and uninstall them depending on
what I'm doing, as it is an additional defence (among quite a few) against
known baddies. But Safe Hex pretty-much precludes their necessity. If you
stay away from dodgy sites, software and e-mail you won't get re-directed.
Meanwhile consider ready-made HOSTS files, Ad-shield block lists and the
like almost always debar some innocent sites - an error I feel is almost
inevitable if one trusts third parties to a). type several hundred urls or
portions thereof, or b). decide what the rest of us should or shouldn't see,
but also an error I feel is almost inevitable if one trusts *oneself* to
type etc etc etc.

I'm a strong believer in IE-Spyad (as well as a Firefox alternative!), which
does not bar access to, but rather places urls in the Restricted Zone.
Coupled with re-setting IE Security for Realistic (sic) Zone (as opposed to
the irresponsible settings Microsoft are *still* providing IE/OE with!) -
and unchecking the two *Install On Demand* settings - said 'dodgy' sites
won't be using ActiveX or javascript to install or redirect, should you
happen to go to them.

In the end, though, it comes down to how one likes to surf. There are those
of us that basically only go to sites we need to and those of us who feel
the main point of the Internet is exploration. However, personally, if what
one wants to do is *see what's out there*, I feel it goes against the spirit
of it to block sites entirely based on the opinion of someone one's never
met - it's a bit like using AOL, isn't it? I speak based entirely on
personal experience. Last night I found an Adshield blocklist denying access
to Windows Update in 98se and ME! Previously I've known HOSTS blocking
Macromedia. And Lavasoft blocking Hotmail, iirc?

Shane




"Heirloom" wrote in message
...
If the HOSTS file is so useless to the experienced user, why does it
remain a staple on an MVP site.......is it simply to aid the inexperienced
user? After reading about it, years ago, it sounded like a good idea to me
and I have been using it ever since. As it works silently in the
background, without consuming any processing power (to speak of) and takes
up little space, where is the harm? Does it not prevent redirects to
unsavory third party sites and block ads/cookies/web bugs from the same?
Maybe I need to do more reading about it......or, then again, maybe it is
worthwhile. http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
Heirloom, old and there's no place like
127.0.0.1
oh yeah, and I also use the
Hoster app to manage the file.....
makes it easy to add irritants like
'doubleclick' to the list.

"Shane" wrote in message
...
I don't think it's such esoteric knowledge, Noel, that you appear arrogant
for imparting it. I think there's a necessity to teach not only that aids
such as a HOSTS file are important to the relatively-inexperienced
web-user*, but also that eventually they won't be.

* (To me the name 'Newbie' is actually more arrogant, at least while
there
remain generations that have not grown up with surfer-speak)

Shane

Noel Paton wrote:
I just realised that may have come across as incredibly arrogant! -
believe me, I'm still learning!! (may have passed the stage I exams -
more to learn before I get the certificate!)


Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's "Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
"I ain't never used a HOSTS file yet!!" - and I really see no need
to, unless you're in the habit of going to 'dodgy' sites!
Having said that, I do consider essential for those who are in the
early stages of their computer-competence exams.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's "siljaline" wrote in message
...
"Job" wrote:
Silj, thanks for the link. I have printed it out and now
need to digest the info before implementing. I've also just
become aware of the MVPS Host at
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm.

This appears to be a good thing but I need to read more.
Right now I don't have any idea of what a "Host File" is nor
why I should care g.

Your welcome for the link.
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/restricted.htm#Setting
*This* HOSTS file is practically a necessity these days.
All the information is in the link and FAQ.
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hostsfaq.htm

Silj

--
siljaline

MS - MVP Windows (IE/OE) & Security, AH-VSOP
_________________________________________
Security Tools Updates
http://aumha.net/viewforum.php?f=31

Reply to group, as return address
is invalid that we may all benefit.

Not useless H, just not essential, Further it might perhaps be noted that
having a HOSTS file with lots of entry can slow working on the net
although this is possibly of less significance nowadays with fast
machines. Personally I don't use a hosts file and feel I am unlikely to
do so in the future but who knows, my position could well change. I might
even start to use an AV program from .......... :-) Not of course that I
am trying to equate using a hosts file with using certain nameless AV
applications, just that I currently have no use for either at present. g

makes it easy to add irritants like
'doubleclick' to the list.

This is something where controlling cookies helps.
--
Mike Maltby



Heirloom wrote:

If the HOSTS file is so useless to the experienced user, why does it
remain a staple on an MVP site.......is it simply to aid the
inexperienced user? After reading about it, years ago, it sounded
like a good idea to me and I have been using it ever since. As it
works silently in the background, without consuming any processing
power (to speak of) and takes up little space, where is the harm? Does
it not prevent redirects to unsavory third party sites and block
ads/cookies/web bugs from the same? Maybe I need to do more reading
about it......or, then again, maybe it is worthwhile.
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
Heirloom, old and there's
no place like 127.0.0.1 oh yeah, and I also use the
Hoster app to manage the file.....
makes it easy to add irritants like
'doubleclick' to the list.

I do that, as well.
Heirloom, old and needlessly redundant

"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Not useless H, just not essential, Further it might perhaps be noted that
having a HOSTS file with lots of entry can slow working on the net
although this is possibly of less significance nowadays with fast
machines. Personally I don't use a hosts file and feel I am unlikely to
do so in the future but who knows, my position could well change. I might
even start to use an AV program from .......... :-) Not of course that I
am trying to equate using a hosts file with using certain nameless AV
applications, just that I currently have no use for either at present. g

makes it easy to add irritants like
'doubleclick' to the list.

This is something where controlling cookies helps.
--
Mike Maltby



Heirloom wrote:

If the HOSTS file is so useless to the experienced user, why does it
remain a staple on an MVP site.......is it simply to aid the
inexperienced user? After reading about it, years ago, it sounded
like a good idea to me and I have been using it ever since. As it
works silently in the background, without consuming any processing
power (to speak of) and takes up little space, where is the harm? Does it
not prevent redirects to unsavory third party sites and block
ads/cookies/web bugs from the same? Maybe I need to do more reading
about it......or, then again, maybe it is worthwhile.
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
Heirloom, old and there's
no place like 127.0.0.1 oh yeah, and I also use the
Hoster app to manage the file.....
makes it easy to add irritants like
'doubleclick' to the list.

Figgs:
I am always glad to hear someone speak his mind, especially when it is as
clear as your's.
There is no point in disagreeing, right or wrong, but you are mostly right
and I commend you for that.
The part I don't understand is, that so many people here don't, or don't
want to see the truth and are being dragged deeper and deeper into a mess.
One can only hope for the best.

Harry.


"Heather" wrote in message
...
Our system is totally different than yours, for starters. Your
definition of a *liberal* is different than ours. We have 4 main
parties here......Liberals, Conservatives, New Democratic Party and Bloc
Quebecois. The first two get the most seats in Parliament.

Our Liberal PM was not doing the job properly.....he had to go. The new
leader has some warts as well. I could not vote for him. He is way too
friendly with Bush.....and Bush is heartily disliked by most of the
world, not just us. We don't agree with the war in Iraq and now the
Americans know they were lied to by him re this war. But we, in the
rest of the world, knew it from damn near the beginning, because our TV
stations reported the *whole truth*....not the watered-down truth you
guys got for a long time.

Bush is run by the Religious Right and Big Pharma, for starters. We
don't allow politics to mix with religion. They are separate and apart.
We also have an excellent national healthcare program....you don't.
Bush doesn't want you folks to have a subsidized healthcare program.
Big Pharma tells him what to do. I compare prescription and surgery
prices with friends in the US and your costs totally appall me!!

No thanks......you can keep Bush and I am quite happy to live in a
country that may have higher taxes, but a hell of a lot of benefits from
those same taxes. Most countries have some form of national healthcare,
but the US is one of the few that doesn't.

Oh boy.....if there was such a thing as *universal justice*, Bush would
burn in hell.....lol. However, there is *karma*. I don't envy him his
next life, grin.

Off my soap box now. But to set the record straight, I like most of the
Americans I personally know (are you listening, Loon??)......but why is
it that the only Americans we see up here on holidays are the obnoxious
ones?? Or for that matter, anywhere in the world. I make sure I have a
visible Canadian flag on me when I travel....(g, d & r vvvvf, as Noel
would say)

OK.....that's my view. Feel free to disagree.

Cheers.....a diehard Canuck.

"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Couldn't get around to this, until now, Heather.
If you dislike"liberals", how come you dislike "George"?
He is not a liberal at all in political terms, but surely most liberal
in
his actions. That can't go unpunished in the long run.
There is such a thing as universal justice, isn't it?

Harry.


"Heather" wrote in message
...
About Silj's peculiar taste in websites?? (grin) Or about our
superior
method of electing a Prime Minister (mega-grin). We can also kick
the
PM out if we don't like him. Too bad you can't do that to Bush!!!!

XX Figgs

"webster72n" wrote in message
...
Hey:
Wasn't it 'dodgy' sites?
How did that 'dog' get in there and "how much is that dog in the
window"?
And who are the "liberals"?? Really???

Harry,
don't know much, but would like to know more.


"siljaline" wrote in message
...
"Heather" wrote:
"DOGGY SITES"????

SICK PUPPY!! ROFL!!

Oops!

Silj

--
siljaline

MS - MVP Windows (IE/OE) & Security, AH-VSOP
_________________________________________
Security Tools Updates
http://aumha.net/viewforum.php?f=31

Reply to group, as return address
is invalid that we may all benefit.

I love to get a stimulating conversation going. I always
learn something when the "big guys" start exchanging
thoughts and opinions.

Job asks, "What if there were no hypothetical questions?"


"Job" wrote in message
...
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Tab
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