Is there any browser left for Win98se?

98 Guy wrote:
Bill in Co wrote:

I thought I made it clear in my last post that you can't install
any version of FF 3.x without having Kex.

Then he must have KernelEx installed.

If he did, then he could have tried Firefox 10.0.2 (at least). Instead
all he claimed was 3.5.

By "too limited", I meant the bigger picture, not necessarily the
"inherent" limitations of the OS:

Win-98 is inherently a WIN32 OS. What it lacks are the API functions
that have been added to the NT line, and many of the more useful ones
are being replicated by KernelEx, with new ones being added via "stubs".

I can't even install several good (and even older) fundamental
audio and video restoration apps

Heck, even something as good as the near oldest version of Adobe
Audition (which improved on Cool Edit Pro) can't be used,

I've just spent about 15 minutes trying to locate old versions of Adobe
Audition for download - which I can't find.

Why don't you try another good alternative, which you can find on the Sony
downloads site - an older version of the excellent audio editor, Sound
Forge.

Try Sound Forge version 7, and see if you can get KernelEx to allow it to be
installed. I'll be impressed if you can, and you'll also see a great audio
editor (probably the best in terms of actual usage).

Bill in Co wrote:

LOL. Good point. But I'd make the suggestion to some holdouts
that it just might be worth the migration.

From a practical standpoint, there are people that are win-98 users that
have their original CD (or can download win-98 from several torrent,
which I'd be glad to post here if asked).

Trying to install win-XP, for someone that either doesn't have an XP cd
(or product key) is a huge barrier (although I have about 4 dozen
"virgin" XP System Builder product keys in my possession...)

As I mentioned, you can't even install something as good as the
old and excellent Adobe Audition 1.5 (its best version)

If you tell me where to obtain that version, I'd be willing to try to
see if I can make it work under win-98.

If you have that version, compress the CD in a password-protected set of
RAR files and upload it to a file-locker of your choice (I've used
fileden in the past). If you do that, I'll post a throw-away e-mail
address you can send the password and a link to the rar files so that
only I will be able to download and try to install the software.

You can sign up for a throw-away e-mail address at hushmail.com to send
me the info. I won't be able to see where your e-mail is coming from.

I'll report back here my results.

Are you game?

Bill in Co wrote:

Try Sound Forge version 7, and see if you can get KernelEx to allow
it to be installed. I'll be impressed if you can, and you'll also
see a great audio editor (probably the best in terms of actual usage).

If you post a working link to the software, I'll download and (try to)
install it.

I don't want to waste my time on a big website like Sony's just to chase
a bunch of download links around in a circle...

98 Guy wrote:
Bill in Co wrote:

LOL. Good point. But I'd make the suggestion to some holdouts
that it just might be worth the migration.

From a practical standpoint, there are people that are win-98 users that
have their original CD (or can download win-98 from several torrent,
which I'd be glad to post here if asked).

Trying to install win-XP, for someone that either doesn't have an XP cd
(or product key) is a huge barrier (although I have about 4 dozen
"virgin" XP System Builder product keys in my possession...)

As I mentioned, you can't even install something as good as the
old and excellent Adobe Audition 1.5 (its best version)

[At least with the versions of KernelEx I've used].

If you tell me where to obtain that version, I'd be willing to try to
see if I can make it work under win-98.

I searched for "Adobe Audition 1.5" (as a phrase in Google) and came up with
a few sites, some of which were deadends. But some weren't. Here are a
couple of links:

http://www.filecrop.com/adobe-auditi...l-version.html
(showing several possibilities)

http://www.edusoft4vn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=122449
(it's a RAR file)

It took me all of about 20 minutes to find them.

If you have that version, compress the CD in a password-protected set of
RAR files and upload it to a file-locker of your choice (I've used
fileden in the past). If you do that, I'll post a throw-away e-mail
address you can send the password and a link to the rar files so that
only I will be able to download and try to install the software.

You can sign up for a throw-away e-mail address at hushmail.com to send
me the info. I won't be able to see where your e-mail is coming from.

I'll report back here my results.

Are you game?

See above. The second link works for sure, as I tried clicking on it.

98 Guy wrote:
Bill in Co wrote:

Try Sound Forge version 7, and see if you can get KernelEx to allow
it to be installed. I'll be impressed if you can, and you'll also
see a great audio editor (probably the best in terms of actual usage).

If you post a working link to the software, I'll download and (try to)
install it.

I don't want to waste my time on a big website like Sony's just to chase
a bunch of download links around in a circle...

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/...undforgefamily

It took me all of 2 minutes to find this link using a good Google search, as
follows:

"sony sound forge updates"

Try "Sound Forge 7.0." (NOT Audio Studio, which is stripped down).

(Version 6.0 already works in Win98, but it's a bit too dated, but better
than nothing. Versions 7 and above are NO-GOs for Win98, at least when I
tried KernelEx - you can't get past the installer).

On 19 Feb 2013, Stanley Daniel de Liver wrote:

Well as I look now, LiteStep is using 11.5MB RAM. I just
fired up explorer (been a long time since I did that last)
and after opening a file manager window and closing it a
couple of times it was sitting hapilly at ~39MB. Mind you
as I said before, I was having quite a bit of trouble with
Explorer (I think it would suddenly go to 100% CPU usage
or something like that), so it may not be the healthiest
example.

I did dl Litestep, but it seemed to take a similar amount
of RAM to explorer (c. 15M)

Well compared to the RAM usage for my Explorer, that would
still be quite a saving! However it also depends on what theme
you use, and I modified the "step.rc" config file so that the
JayOS theme wouldn't load six of the modules I didn't use,
further saving RAM.

It also depends if you've looked at items in the "Programs"
menu (or whatever you choose to call it). eg. I've only used
my program shortcuts on the Start menu so far this run, so
LiteStep is using 9.5MB RAM.

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On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:42:49 -0500, 98 Guy wrote:

wrote:

Why do I not see Firefox 2.0.0.20 in that list?

I have Firefox 3.x installed.

Why haven't you tried a more recent version of Firefox then? Such as
10?

Because it wont run in Win98. I tried to run FF4.x and that would not
run, so I know 10 wont run for sure.

And why have you claimed that you can't run a more recent version of
Opera? You should have at least tried version 12.

Ver 10.x is the last ver meant for Win98. Either way, I dont want
Opera. Just dont like it! I still have ver 10.x installed, but it's
just there as a last resort, and it may be removed soon. I try ot get
rid of unused software to save drive space.

I have used KernelEx for at least 3 years!

There was an important change to KernelEx a few years ago. If you have
any version of KernelEx 3.x, you are strongly advised to replace it with
the most recent version (4.5.2).

I upgraded it about a year ago. Not sure which version I have. How do
I find out? Is there a way to show the version number?

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 06:29:39 -0600, philo* wrote:


If you want a very fast (though extremely minimal) browser, then use
OffByOne.

I have it installed. Its small so I just leave it. I've rarely ever
found pages to load properly with it. Does it work at all now with the
newer webpages? I normally used to only use on sites that I thought
might have malware. But I dont generally use those sites anyhow. As
far as I know, it dont load scripts, and many sites insist on Java
Script these days or they wont load at all. I normally keep JS disabled
because of the risks.

As to Opera, I also hated it when it first came out
but now use it occasionally on my Linux machine and it works fine.
The newsreader portion loads horribly slow though, too slow to use. It
has a lot of features I like but I don;t use it

Maybe it's more stable in linux. Not so in windows.

I only use Agent for newsgroups. I never seen a need for anything else.
I often wish those packaged browsers would allow to not install the
newsreader part or email part. I dont need either\ and actually prefer
to keep them all separate.

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:13:54 -0500, 98 Guy wrote:

wrote:

With the html 5, I'm constantly getting script errors in the
browsers I have been using

What version of Adobe Flash do you have installed?

(many websites use flash)

Ver 9 it appears. Isn't that the last one that works on 98?

You might want to install this "unoffical" Windows Scripting Host 5.7
update:

================
Unofficial Windows 98/98 SP1/98 SE/ME Microsoft Scripting Engines (MSE)
5.7 build 5.7.0.16535

http://www.mdgx.com/files/SCR579X.EXE

Will this help improve scripting on other browsers besides IE? I
removed IE entirely, many years ago.


CAUTION:

In case you encounter errors while using Internet Explorer (IE), Outlook
Express (OE), Windows Media Player (WMP), Java Script (JS), VB Script
(VBS), HTML Application (HTA), HyperText Template (HTT), Compiled HTML
Help (CHM) or
other Scripting software (re)-install MSE 5.6:

http://www.mdgx.com/files/SCR569X.EXE

REQUIRED:

Requires MS Internet Explorer (IE) 5.5 SP2 or MS IE 6.0/6.0 SP1 already
installed!

More info:

http://www.mdgx.com/files/scr57.php
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If you're really hard-core into improving / tweaking your Windows 98
setup, you should look he

http://www.mdgx.com/upd98me.php#TOP

This looks like a great list of info. Thanks

Or this:

Unofficial Windows 98 Second Edition Service Pack 3.17

http://www.htasoft.com/u98sesp/

It says for Win98lite. I dont have the lite version.

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:48:01 -0500, 98 Guy wrote:

And explain why you haven't tried a more recent version of Firefox, such
as 10.

I dont understand you.....
You know I'm running Win98se.
Why do you keep repeating over and over to install Firefox 10 (or any
newer version). You claim to be using Win98, and you know darn well
that FF 2.x is the last version to work on w98se WITHOUT Kernal Ex and
FF 3.x is the last version to work WITH Kernal Ex.

I tried FF 4.x and it would not work. If ver 4.x dont work, ver 10
surely wont work. I dont have XP!

Unless you want me to install it on my Win2000 dual boot partition.
Maybe it will work there.... I dont know?????
But I rarely even boot to w2000. It's only purpose is for my USB
portable hard drives which are for backups. It's installed with the
bare minimum, all the included games, wallpapers, and other unneeded
**** is gone.