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How can I get Win98 to release memory when an application is closed?
"Ron Badour" wrote in message
... Applesauce?????????? G -- Regards Indeed. Although it lacks the ready recognition of the others, it makes up for it with its element of surprise, and its humorous impact. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=applesauce Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98 Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour Knowledge Base Info: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo "Hugh Candlin" wrote in message ... "Ron Martell" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote: You don't get it? If an application does not free up the used memory, Windows can not free up the memory to use for other applications. Hence, a Windows restart is the only way to get the memory back. Like I said, try some other programs. Try searching for a program call dbPowerAmp. This program even lets you save audio in mp3 format. Balderdash. Hogwash. Malarkey. Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada Stock up while you're in the mood Balderdash, baloney, bilge, bull, bunkum, claptrap, crap, eyewash, flimflam, garbage, hogwash, hooey, horsefeathers, jazz, piffle, poppycock, rot, rubbish, tomfoolery, tommyrot, trash and applesauce. |
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How can I get Win98 to release memory when an application is closed?
Claptrap? I thought that was something else. Oops. Wait a minute, no,
no, never mind. I looked it up now. You MIGHT have been thinking of the other thing, nasty as you are, Candlin-- BUT I can't really say for sure! -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR "Hugh Candlin" wrote in message ... | "Ron Martell" wrote in message | ... | "Chris" wrote: | | You don't get it? If an application does not free up the used memory, | Windows can not free up the memory to use for other applications. Hence, | a | Windows restart is the only way to get the memory back. | | Like I said, try some other programs. Try searching for a program call | dbPowerAmp. This program even lets you save audio in mp3 format. | | | Balderdash. Hogwash. Malarkey. | | Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada | | Stock up while you're in the mood | | Balderdash, baloney, bilge, bull, bunkum, claptrap, crap, eyewash, flimflam, | garbage, hogwash, hooey, horsefeathers, jazz, piffle, poppycock, rot, | rubbish, | tomfoolery, tommyrot, trash and applesauce. | | |
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How can I get Win98 to release memory when an application is closed?
Indeed, applesauce. :-)
-- Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to. * My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/ * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Ron Badour" wrote in message ... Applesauce?????????? G |
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How can I get Win98 to release memory when an application is closed?
Indeed, applesauce. :-)
-- Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to. * My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/ * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Ron Badour" wrote in message ... Applesauce?????????? G |
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How can I get Win98 to release memory when an application is closed?
To test your problem, the procedure would be:
1. Start Open 20Mb file Check memory usage 2. Start Check Properties of 20Mb file Open 20Mb file Check memory usage The important thing is memory available when you are trying to process that file - at any other time you really don't care how memory is being used. But it is impossible to draw sensible conclusions from the simple type of memory analysis you are using. For instance, you might see an increase in swap file used between the two scenarios. But whether or not this is significant for performance depends of why the swap file usage has changed. As I mentioned, simply looking at free or unallocated RAM tells you nearly nothing about how Windows is using memory and whether or not performance is being affected. The optimization that Windows can achieve does not take up any memory. It's no quicker to write over free memory than it is to write over memory where Windows was saving the contents in case it might be re-used but has now decided that there's a more important use for it. That's the critical point - the process of discarding memory involves no processing overhead. Memory that can be returned to the unallocated pool (freed, in terms of your original question) is exactly the same memory that gets written over just as soon as there's a more important use for it. If you want to force Windows to return memory to the unallocated pool there are any number of utilities that claim to defragment or reclaim memory. They don't do anything useful, but they do change the measurements reported by these memory monitors. People with plenty of experience with Windows will almost always advise (for W98 or later) to just let Windows look after it. If you choose to use one of these utilities, be very careful it does not come with a trojan - this sort of software is a popular choice for people who need to install something secret on your system. -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) "Jon Danniken" wrote in message ... Thank you, Jeff; I appreciate that you read my query and I also appreciate your reality-based explanation as to what exactly is going in this this case. The mechanism makes sense now, and I appreciate knowing this. You asked about about the memory usage in a different case; here it is: Start -- 30 Mb unused RAM Open 20Mb file -- 10 Mb unused RAM Close 20Mb. file -- 30 Mb unused RAM Check Properties of 20Mb file -- 15 Mb. unused RAM Close Properties -- *** no change in unused RAM *** Open 20Mb. file -- 0Mb. unused RAM, 5 Mb Swap I guess my question at this point would be asking how to turn *off* the "optimization" of Windows to that it returns the released memory to unused physical memory after checking the properties. (Or maybe I should just stop checking properties lol). While I appreciate that the optimizations are handy in most circumstances, I would much rather wait a little bit for the application to load than have what little memory I have taken up (IMHO) by the "optimization". This machine is currently only doing a few specific tasks, so I am willing (and would prefer) to accept this mode of operation. Is this possible, and if so, how? Thanks again, Jon |
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How can I get Win98 to release memory when an application is closed?
To test your problem, the procedure would be:
1. Start Open 20Mb file Check memory usage 2. Start Check Properties of 20Mb file Open 20Mb file Check memory usage The important thing is memory available when you are trying to process that file - at any other time you really don't care how memory is being used. But it is impossible to draw sensible conclusions from the simple type of memory analysis you are using. For instance, you might see an increase in swap file used between the two scenarios. But whether or not this is significant for performance depends of why the swap file usage has changed. As I mentioned, simply looking at free or unallocated RAM tells you nearly nothing about how Windows is using memory and whether or not performance is being affected. The optimization that Windows can achieve does not take up any memory. It's no quicker to write over free memory than it is to write over memory where Windows was saving the contents in case it might be re-used but has now decided that there's a more important use for it. That's the critical point - the process of discarding memory involves no processing overhead. Memory that can be returned to the unallocated pool (freed, in terms of your original question) is exactly the same memory that gets written over just as soon as there's a more important use for it. If you want to force Windows to return memory to the unallocated pool there are any number of utilities that claim to defragment or reclaim memory. They don't do anything useful, but they do change the measurements reported by these memory monitors. People with plenty of experience with Windows will almost always advise (for W98 or later) to just let Windows look after it. If you choose to use one of these utilities, be very careful it does not come with a trojan - this sort of software is a popular choice for people who need to install something secret on your system. -- Jeff Richards MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User) "Jon Danniken" wrote in message ... Thank you, Jeff; I appreciate that you read my query and I also appreciate your reality-based explanation as to what exactly is going in this this case. The mechanism makes sense now, and I appreciate knowing this. You asked about about the memory usage in a different case; here it is: Start -- 30 Mb unused RAM Open 20Mb file -- 10 Mb unused RAM Close 20Mb. file -- 30 Mb unused RAM Check Properties of 20Mb file -- 15 Mb. unused RAM Close Properties -- *** no change in unused RAM *** Open 20Mb. file -- 0Mb. unused RAM, 5 Mb Swap I guess my question at this point would be asking how to turn *off* the "optimization" of Windows to that it returns the released memory to unused physical memory after checking the properties. (Or maybe I should just stop checking properties lol). While I appreciate that the optimizations are handy in most circumstances, I would much rather wait a little bit for the application to load than have what little memory I have taken up (IMHO) by the "optimization". This machine is currently only doing a few specific tasks, so I am willing (and would prefer) to accept this mode of operation. Is this possible, and if so, how? Thanks again, Jon |
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