Windows 98 second edition

Hi everyone. This might be a tough one so i appreciate
anything you can provide.

I am trying to upgrade my laptop which is running WIN 98
SE to WIN XP or WIN 2000/ME. The problem im having is that
i don't know how to go about doing this. I don't have a
WIN 98 SE disk but i do have the WIN 98 disk. How can i
delete WIN 98 SE so i can upgrade it? By the way i have a
FAT 32 file system and my pc is really old but i know i
have at least a 133mhz processor and i previously had WIN
95 if that helps any.

Thanks in advance.

How can i
delete WIN 98 SE so i can upgrade it?

You do not have to delete Win98. What happened when you tried to
install WinXP? Did you get an error message?


Bill Starbuck (MVP)

wrote in message ...
Hi everyone. This might be a tough one so i appreciate
anything you can provide.

I am trying to upgrade my laptop which is running WIN 98
SE to WIN XP or WIN 2000/ME. The problem im having is that
i don't know how to go about doing this. I don't have a
WIN 98 SE disk but i do have the WIN 98 disk. How can i
delete WIN 98 SE so i can upgrade it? By the way i have a
FAT 32 file system and my pc is really old but i know i
have at least a 133mhz processor and i previously had WIN
95 if that helps any.

Thanks in advance.

Forget XP

Windows XP Professional System Requirements
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...on/sysreqs.asp

You may have the minimum system requirements for running
the Windows® 2000 Professional operating system,
depending on your RAM, hard disk, and presence of a CD-ROM drive.

Windows 2000 System Requirements
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000...qs/default.asp

1. You can't upgrade that machine to XP, period. Don't even try. It won't
let you.

2. I seriously doubt you can upgrade that machine to Win2000, and even if
you could, you'd be very, *very* disappointed.

3. Don't bother with Windows ME, either, since it does well on machines that
were designed for it, but not usually very well on those that weren't. I
would be *amazed* if you were happy with WinME on that machine.

4. Win98SE is *the* OS for that machine. Stick with that.

You don't mention how much RAM you have. You also don't mention which
make/model laptop. Certain of these will accept a generic Windows
installation, assuming you can still get drivers from the manufacturer, but
others *require* that you at least start with their original installation
disk and upgrade from there. I suspect yours is of the former variety, which
makes genericWin98SE a safe bet.

If Win98SE isn't performing as you would wish, I'd look at more RAM and a
clean reinstallation. Buy a Win98SE OEM CD on eBay. Make a Startup Disk
using a download from www.bootdisk.com, reformat the drive and install. 64
MB of RAM is minimum for SE, as far as I'm concerned. 128 is decent for
normal use, and 256-512 is fantastic (if you can even put that much in
there.) If you were to try Win2K, you'd want *at_least* 128 MB of RAM. And a
lot more disk space compared to SE. And you'd probably *still* have a
nightmare trying to get hardware to work properly. If you aren't familiar
with Win2K, stay as far away from it as possible.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

wrote in message
...
Hi everyone. This might be a tough one so i appreciate
anything you can provide.

I am trying to upgrade my laptop which is running WIN 98
SE to WIN XP or WIN 2000/ME. The problem im having is that
i don't know how to go about doing this. I don't have a
WIN 98 SE disk but i do have the WIN 98 disk. How can i
delete WIN 98 SE so i can upgrade it? By the way i have a
FAT 32 file system and my pc is really old but i know i
have at least a 133mhz processor and i previously had WIN
95 if that helps any.

Thanks in advance.

Frankly, I'm surprised that machine even runs Win98S very well. Kinda
like molasses? Whatever - he's at a dead end point here.

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
1. You can't upgrade that machine to XP, period. Don't even try. It won't
let you.

2. I seriously doubt you can upgrade that machine to Win2000, and even if
you could, you'd be very, *very* disappointed.

3. Don't bother with Windows ME, either, since it does well on machines
that
were designed for it, but not usually very well on those that weren't. I
would be *amazed* if you were happy with WinME on that machine.

4. Win98SE is *the* OS for that machine. Stick with that.

You don't mention how much RAM you have. You also don't mention which
make/model laptop. Certain of these will accept a generic Windows
installation, assuming you can still get drivers from the manufacturer,
but
others *require* that you at least start with their original installation
disk and upgrade from there. I suspect yours is of the former variety,
which
makes genericWin98SE a safe bet.

If Win98SE isn't performing as you would wish, I'd look at more RAM and a
clean reinstallation. Buy a Win98SE OEM CD on eBay. Make a Startup Disk
using a download from www.bootdisk.com, reformat the drive and install. 64
MB of RAM is minimum for SE, as far as I'm concerned. 128 is decent for
normal use, and 256-512 is fantastic (if you can even put that much in
there.) If you were to try Win2K, you'd want *at_least* 128 MB of RAM. And
a
lot more disk space compared to SE. And you'd probably *still* have a
nightmare trying to get hardware to work properly. If you aren't familiar
with Win2K, stay as far away from it as possible.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

wrote in message
...
Hi everyone. This might be a tough one so i appreciate
anything you can provide.

I am trying to upgrade my laptop which is running WIN 98
SE to WIN XP or WIN 2000/ME. The problem im having is that
i don't know how to go about doing this. I don't have a
WIN 98 SE disk but i do have the WIN 98 disk. How can i
delete WIN 98 SE so i can upgrade it? By the way i have a
FAT 32 file system and my pc is really old but i know i
have at least a 133mhz processor and i previously had WIN
95 if that helps any.

Thanks in advance.

With sufficient RAM and disk space, it's still better than Win95, s. Slow,
yes, but stable and at least able to handle most things anyone might want to
throw at it by way of standard apps, etc. Not that I see the need for SE. FE
would work just as well. Who would want to make a laptop the ICS gateway?
Can't imagine wanting to install USB2 or IEEE 1394 on such a machine,
either. On the other hand, given the plague of apps that wrong-headedly
*insist* on SE as MinReq....

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Frankly, I'm surprised that machine even runs Win98S very well. Kinda
like molasses? Whatever - he's at a dead end point here.

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
1. You can't upgrade that machine to XP, period. Don't even try. It
won't
let you.

2. I seriously doubt you can upgrade that machine to Win2000, and even
if
you could, you'd be very, *very* disappointed.

3. Don't bother with Windows ME, either, since it does well on machines
that
were designed for it, but not usually very well on those that weren't. I
would be *amazed* if you were happy with WinME on that machine.

4. Win98SE is *the* OS for that machine. Stick with that.

You don't mention how much RAM you have. You also don't mention which
make/model laptop. Certain of these will accept a generic Windows
installation, assuming you can still get drivers from the manufacturer,
but
others *require* that you at least start with their original
installation
disk and upgrade from there. I suspect yours is of the former variety,
which
makes genericWin98SE a safe bet.

If Win98SE isn't performing as you would wish, I'd look at more RAM and
a
clean reinstallation. Buy a Win98SE OEM CD on eBay. Make a Startup Disk
using a download from www.bootdisk.com, reformat the drive and install.
64
MB of RAM is minimum for SE, as far as I'm concerned. 128 is decent for
normal use, and 256-512 is fantastic (if you can even put that much in
there.) If you were to try Win2K, you'd want *at_least* 128 MB of RAM.
And
a
lot more disk space compared to SE. And you'd probably *still* have a
nightmare trying to get hardware to work properly. If you aren't
familiar
with Win2K, stay as far away from it as possible.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

wrote in message
...
Hi everyone. This might be a tough one so i appreciate
anything you can provide.

I am trying to upgrade my laptop which is running WIN 98
SE to WIN XP or WIN 2000/ME. The problem im having is that
i don't know how to go about doing this. I don't have a
WIN 98 SE disk but i do have the WIN 98 disk. How can i
delete WIN 98 SE so i can upgrade it? By the way i have a
FAT 32 file system and my pc is really old but i know i
have at least a 133mhz processor and i previously had WIN
95 if that helps any.

Thanks in advance.

Listen to this man because he knows what he is talking about. He is hardly
ever wrong when it comes to computers.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
1. You can't upgrade that machine to XP, period. Don't even try. It won't
let you.

2. I seriously doubt you can upgrade that machine to Win2000, and even if
you could, you'd be very, *very* disappointed.

3. Don't bother with Windows ME, either, since it does well on machines
that
were designed for it, but not usually very well on those that weren't. I
would be *amazed* if you were happy with WinME on that machine.

4. Win98SE is *the* OS for that machine. Stick with that.

You don't mention how much RAM you have. You also don't mention which
make/model laptop. Certain of these will accept a generic Windows
installation, assuming you can still get drivers from the manufacturer,
but
others *require* that you at least start with their original installation
disk and upgrade from there. I suspect yours is of the former variety,
which
makes genericWin98SE a safe bet.

If Win98SE isn't performing as you would wish, I'd look at more RAM and a
clean reinstallation. Buy a Win98SE OEM CD on eBay. Make a Startup Disk
using a download from www.bootdisk.com, reformat the drive and install. 64
MB of RAM is minimum for SE, as far as I'm concerned. 128 is decent for
normal use, and 256-512 is fantastic (if you can even put that much in
there.) If you were to try Win2K, you'd want *at_least* 128 MB of RAM. And
a
lot more disk space compared to SE. And you'd probably *still* have a
nightmare trying to get hardware to work properly. If you aren't familiar
with Win2K, stay as far away from it as possible.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

wrote in message
...
Hi everyone. This might be a tough one so i appreciate
anything you can provide.

I am trying to upgrade my laptop which is running WIN 98
SE to WIN XP or WIN 2000/ME. The problem im having is that
i don't know how to go about doing this. I don't have a
WIN 98 SE disk but i do have the WIN 98 disk. How can i
delete WIN 98 SE so i can upgrade it? By the way i have a
FAT 32 file system and my pc is really old but i know i
have at least a 133mhz processor and i previously had WIN
95 if that helps any.

Thanks in advance.

:, LOL, forced obselence by companies -- argg :
Great points Gary although I still am very happy with my 98SE : (eg) (ready
to get Gary fired up about how great 98 first edition is :)

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
With sufficient RAM and disk space, it's still better than Win95, s.
Slow,
yes, but stable and at least able to handle most things anyone might want
to
throw at it by way of standard apps, etc. Not that I see the need for SE.
FE
would work just as well. Who would want to make a laptop the ICS gateway?
Can't imagine wanting to install USB2 or IEEE 1394 on such a machine,
either. On the other hand, given the plague of apps that wrong-headedly
*insist* on SE as MinReq....

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Frankly, I'm surprised that machine even runs Win98S very well. Kinda
like molasses? Whatever - he's at a dead end point here.

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
1. You can't upgrade that machine to XP, period. Don't even try. It
won't
let you.

2. I seriously doubt you can upgrade that machine to Win2000, and even
if
you could, you'd be very, *very* disappointed.

3. Don't bother with Windows ME, either, since it does well on
machines
that
were designed for it, but not usually very well on those that weren't.
I
would be *amazed* if you were happy with WinME on that machine.

4. Win98SE is *the* OS for that machine. Stick with that.

You don't mention how much RAM you have. You also don't mention which
make/model laptop. Certain of these will accept a generic Windows
installation, assuming you can still get drivers from the
manufacturer,
but
others *require* that you at least start with their original
installation
disk and upgrade from there. I suspect yours is of the former variety,
which
makes genericWin98SE a safe bet.

If Win98SE isn't performing as you would wish, I'd look at more RAM
and
a
clean reinstallation. Buy a Win98SE OEM CD on eBay. Make a Startup
Disk
using a download from www.bootdisk.com, reformat the drive and
install.
64
MB of RAM is minimum for SE, as far as I'm concerned. 128 is decent
for
normal use, and 256-512 is fantastic (if you can even put that much in
there.) If you were to try Win2K, you'd want *at_least* 128 MB of RAM.
And
a
lot more disk space compared to SE. And you'd probably *still* have a
nightmare trying to get hardware to work properly. If you aren't
familiar
with Win2K, stay as far away from it as possible.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

wrote in message
...
Hi everyone. This might be a tough one so i appreciate
anything you can provide.

I am trying to upgrade my laptop which is running WIN 98
SE to WIN XP or WIN 2000/ME. The problem im having is that
i don't know how to go about doing this. I don't have a
WIN 98 SE disk but i do have the WIN 98 disk. How can i
delete WIN 98 SE so i can upgrade it? By the way i have a
FAT 32 file system and my pc is really old but i know i
have at least a 133mhz processor and i previously had WIN
95 if that helps any.

Thanks in advance.

You still don't really get it, Art. Every system has its limits. Certain
generations of hardware will only support certain generations of OS
properly, and certain generations of applications will only run decently on
related generations of OS and hardware. You can't widen the gap between
these generations too much before things start falling through the gaps. It
all needs to be judged in context. In the context of *modern* applications
and consumer/business demands (and assuming a Windows platform), Windows XP
on a hardware platform starting around 2 GHz, with 1/2 to 2 or more GB of
RAM, and a video adapter with 64 to 128 or more MB RAM, USB2 and/or IEEE
1394, CD Burner... These are the *minimum* requirements for an up-to-date
Windows system in 2004.

If you want to drive a legacy machine, fine. But you are totally wrong to
insist that Win98 or any other Win9x is better than anything else in other
than a personal preference context. It's not only not better, it's really
worse in many aspects. That's why it's a legacy construct, never to be
resurrected. The only 98, 98SE and ME existed in the first place was that
the state of the art in hardware, and the amount of work it took to make NT
a user-friendly interface delayed XP until 2002.

I expect to see you two or three years from now in the Windows XP NG,
bashing Longhorn (or whatever it ends up being called) and proclaiming how
you'll never, ever release your grip on XP, given what a stable, secure,
workhorse platform it is. I'll be there, providing legacy support, along
with still hanging out here, only this time I'm hoping to be ahead of the
curve on Longhorn and to be helping out there, as well, probably
specializing in applications compatibility issues. Mooooo!

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"ArtWilder" wrote in message
newsQzxc.27998$My6.16820@fed1read05...
:, LOL, forced obselence by companies -- argg :
Great points Gary although I still am very happy with my 98SE : (eg)
(ready
to get Gary fired up about how great 98 first edition is :)

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
With sufficient RAM and disk space, it's still better than Win95, s.
Slow,
yes, but stable and at least able to handle most things anyone might
want
to
throw at it by way of standard apps, etc. Not that I see the need for
SE.
FE
would work just as well. Who would want to make a laptop the ICS
gateway?
Can't imagine wanting to install USB2 or IEEE 1394 on such a machine,
either. On the other hand, given the plague of apps that wrong-headedly
*insist* on SE as MinReq....

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Frankly, I'm surprised that machine even runs Win98S very well.
Kinda
like molasses? Whatever - he's at a dead end point here.

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
1. You can't upgrade that machine to XP, period. Don't even try. It
won't
let you.

2. I seriously doubt you can upgrade that machine to Win2000, and
even
if
you could, you'd be very, *very* disappointed.

3. Don't bother with Windows ME, either, since it does well on
machines
that
were designed for it, but not usually very well on those that
weren't.
I
would be *amazed* if you were happy with WinME on that machine.

4. Win98SE is *the* OS for that machine. Stick with that.

You don't mention how much RAM you have. You also don't mention
which
make/model laptop. Certain of these will accept a generic Windows
installation, assuming you can still get drivers from the
manufacturer,
but
others *require* that you at least start with their original
installation
disk and upgrade from there. I suspect yours is of the former
variety,
which
makes genericWin98SE a safe bet.

If Win98SE isn't performing as you would wish, I'd look at more RAM
and
a
clean reinstallation. Buy a Win98SE OEM CD on eBay. Make a Startup
Disk
using a download from www.bootdisk.com, reformat the drive and
install.
64
MB of RAM is minimum for SE, as far as I'm concerned. 128 is decent
for
normal use, and 256-512 is fantastic (if you can even put that much
in
there.) If you were to try Win2K, you'd want *at_least* 128 MB of
RAM.
And
a
lot more disk space compared to SE. And you'd probably *still* have
a
nightmare trying to get hardware to work properly. If you aren't
familiar
with Win2K, stay as far away from it as possible.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

wrote in message
...
Hi everyone. This might be a tough one so i appreciate
anything you can provide.

I am trying to upgrade my laptop which is running WIN 98
SE to WIN XP or WIN 2000/ME. The problem im having is that
i don't know how to go about doing this. I don't have a
WIN 98 SE disk but i do have the WIN 98 disk. How can i
delete WIN 98 SE so i can upgrade it? By the way i have a
FAT 32 file system and my pc is really old but i know i
have at least a 133mhz processor and i previously had WIN
95 if that helps any.

Thanks in advance.

I guess I like the operating systems that have been battle tested by time
and thanks for your input. Moo yourself -- : LOL Any idea when Microsoft
will fix these two security issues -- one with XP and the other with the
full NT product line?

http://eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/index.html

http://eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/20031007.html

http://eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/20040318.html (this is the one that
concerns me the most)

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
You still don't really get it, Art. Every system has its limits. Certain
generations of hardware will only support certain generations of OS
properly, and certain generations of applications will only run decently
on
related generations of OS and hardware. You can't widen the gap between
these generations too much before things start falling through the gaps.
It
all needs to be judged in context. In the context of *modern* applications
and consumer/business demands (and assuming a Windows platform), Windows
XP
on a hardware platform starting around 2 GHz, with 1/2 to 2 or more GB of
RAM, and a video adapter with 64 to 128 or more MB RAM, USB2 and/or IEEE
1394, CD Burner... These are the *minimum* requirements for an up-to-date
Windows system in 2004.

If you want to drive a legacy machine, fine. But you are totally wrong to
insist that Win98 or any other Win9x is better than anything else in other
than a personal preference context. It's not only not better, it's really
worse in many aspects. That's why it's a legacy construct, never to be
resurrected. The only 98, 98SE and ME existed in the first place was that
the state of the art in hardware, and the amount of work it took to make
NT
a user-friendly interface delayed XP until 2002.

I expect to see you two or three years from now in the Windows XP NG,
bashing Longhorn (or whatever it ends up being called) and proclaiming how
you'll never, ever release your grip on XP, given what a stable, secure,
workhorse platform it is. I'll be there, providing legacy support, along
with still hanging out here, only this time I'm hoping to be ahead of the
curve on Longhorn and to be helping out there, as well, probably
specializing in applications compatibility issues. Mooooo!

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"ArtWilder" wrote in message
newsQzxc.27998$My6.16820@fed1read05...
:, LOL, forced obselence by companies -- argg :
Great points Gary although I still am very happy with my 98SE : (eg)
(ready
to get Gary fired up about how great 98 first edition is :)

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
With sufficient RAM and disk space, it's still better than Win95, s.
Slow,
yes, but stable and at least able to handle most things anyone might
want
to
throw at it by way of standard apps, etc. Not that I see the need for
SE.
FE
would work just as well. Who would want to make a laptop the ICS
gateway?
Can't imagine wanting to install USB2 or IEEE 1394 on such a machine,
either. On the other hand, given the plague of apps that
wrong-headedly
*insist* on SE as MinReq....

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Frankly, I'm surprised that machine even runs Win98S very well.
Kinda
like molasses? Whatever - he's at a dead end point here.

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
1. You can't upgrade that machine to XP, period. Don't even try.
It
won't
let you.

2. I seriously doubt you can upgrade that machine to Win2000, and
even
if
you could, you'd be very, *very* disappointed.

3. Don't bother with Windows ME, either, since it does well on
machines
that
were designed for it, but not usually very well on those that
weren't.
I
would be *amazed* if you were happy with WinME on that machine.

4. Win98SE is *the* OS for that machine. Stick with that.

You don't mention how much RAM you have. You also don't mention
which
make/model laptop. Certain of these will accept a generic Windows
installation, assuming you can still get drivers from the
manufacturer,
but
others *require* that you at least start with their original
installation
disk and upgrade from there. I suspect yours is of the former
variety,
which
makes genericWin98SE a safe bet.

If Win98SE isn't performing as you would wish, I'd look at more
RAM
and
a
clean reinstallation. Buy a Win98SE OEM CD on eBay. Make a Startup
Disk
using a download from www.bootdisk.com, reformat the drive and
install.
64
MB of RAM is minimum for SE, as far as I'm concerned. 128 is
decent
for
normal use, and 256-512 is fantastic (if you can even put that
much
in
there.) If you were to try Win2K, you'd want *at_least* 128 MB of
RAM.
And
a
lot more disk space compared to SE. And you'd probably *still*
have
a
nightmare trying to get hardware to work properly. If you aren't
familiar
with Win2K, stay as far away from it as possible.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP for Win9x

wrote in message
...
Hi everyone. This might be a tough one so i appreciate
anything you can provide.

I am trying to upgrade my laptop which is running WIN 98
SE to WIN XP or WIN 2000/ME. The problem im having is that
i don't know how to go about doing this. I don't have a
WIN 98 SE disk but i do have the WIN 98 disk. How can i
delete WIN 98 SE so i can upgrade it? By the way i have a
FAT 32 file system and my pc is really old but i know i
have at least a 133mhz processor and i previously had WIN
95 if that helps any.

Thanks in advance.