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Hard drive larger then 120GB question
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neither works scandisk with update still won't start 98 Me defrag still can't get by 10% i wish MSoft would realize that since 30% of all computer users still use 98, and refuse to buy Me, 2000, XP and certainly not Vista, that there is a market for a 98 SE update that fixes the bad things and leaves out the snooping things. "98 Guy" wrote in message ... "ssome" wrote in message Although, i couldn't initiate scan disk, SCANDISK.EXE, at all on the 250GB, when the machine crashed and i powered back up it auto ran another ver of scandisk and that HD was successfully scanned. What is that exe or com called so i can bring it up on purpose? "Gary S. Terhune" wrote: It's Scandisk.exe, and you can't run it in Windows. Only in DOS/Command Prompt Only mode. The one that runs in Windows is called SCANDISKW.EXE Himem.sys must be loaded for (DOS) scandisk to function properly. Win-98 version of Scandisk (scandskw.exe) and Defrag may not (or does not) function on volumes larger than 137 gb, but Windows-ME versions do. Specifically, you need to obtain the windows-ME version of dskmaint.dll and defrag.exe and copy them to your win-98 system. If your win-98 system is using the original protected-mode hard drive driver (ESDI_506.PDR) then you will have problems with drives larger than 137 gb. There is a modified version available that should fix the problem. If your drive is a SATA drive, then if you use it in RAID mode you will by-pass the ESDI_506.PDR problem. |
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Hard drive larger then 120GB question
Where is Shep?
is there a win 98 ME or other scandisk dwnld that is better than SE ver? "ssome" wrote in message . .. Addendum 250 GB, filled half way, 119 GB scandisk ran out of room and win ME defrag did too looks like although you can write to all 250, these two utils only see 119/120 not 119/250 is there a win 98 ME scandisk dwnld that is better than SE ver? ssome "ssome" wrote in message . .. The whole story We bought 60 and 80 GB HDs and couldn't get win 98 SE to Fdisk them. Store didn't know or want to tell us how to correct the problem. i got on NGs and the web for HD mfgr sites asking questions and found that WD HDs, Western Digital, had 2 utils for win 98 - one for a new HD in a new computer where DOS had to be used. and one for a new HD in a win 98 system up and running. this was the key to Fdisk, format and use. Until ... Your machine's BIOS also has to be updated to accept HD larger than 32 GB, an earlier limit. Once this is done then you can work with HDs up to the win 98 limit of 137 GB. But, i found a HD that is 250 GB for only $60 - so, how to make that work. i figured i could partition (Fdisk) the 250 into 2 ea 125 GB partitions that would then be within the 137 GB limit. this was a waste of hours. the secret was to buy a $20 PCI card that is a HD Controller that has no virtual limit. then i tried to partition it again pwrd thru this card ...and that was again a mistake. the new cntrlr can let win 98 'see' the whole 250 GB as one partition. And, ... that worked. it took a little doing to get the right drivers for the card in spite of them providing an install CD; got 2 driver files from their site that helped. you can now install 8 ea HD devices like: 6ea 500 GB HDs, CDRW and DVDRW on win 98 with virtual unlimited mem storage. Now, you can try it without going down the wrong pathways. ssome "ssome" wrote in message . .. For Windows 98SE and ME, you need a PCI controller card to use an EIDE hard drive larger than 137GB without risking data corruption. The drivers for the controller card enable large drive support in the operating system, while the card itself provides the hardware support needed for the PC to recognize the full drive capacity. WD Lifeguard s/w and Fdisk only let me create a partition of 137 GB max. the rest of the HD goes to waste. screwed by the mfgrs again. ssome "J. P. Gilliver" wrote in message ... "ssome" wrote in message . .. i'm running 3 HDs on two machines now, both with win 98SE i run the 3rd HD on the secondary cable along with the CDR; slower this way, but extra mem is worth it. use it for storage and not interactive apps. [] I thought that bit about "same cable as CDR makes it slower" was only true for IDE, not EIDE? (If not, then what _is_ the "enhancement" the E stands for?) [True IDE-only drives are years ago - I am pretty sure even CDRs have been EIDE for many years.] |
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Hard drive larger then 120GB question
Where is Shep?
is there a win 98 ME or other scandisk dwnld that is better than SE ver? "ssome" wrote in message . .. Addendum 250 GB, filled half way, 119 GB scandisk ran out of room and win ME defrag did too looks like although you can write to all 250, these two utils only see 119/120 not 119/250 is there a win 98 ME scandisk dwnld that is better than SE ver? ssome "ssome" wrote in message . .. The whole story We bought 60 and 80 GB HDs and couldn't get win 98 SE to Fdisk them. Store didn't know or want to tell us how to correct the problem. i got on NGs and the web for HD mfgr sites asking questions and found that WD HDs, Western Digital, had 2 utils for win 98 - one for a new HD in a new computer where DOS had to be used. and one for a new HD in a win 98 system up and running. this was the key to Fdisk, format and use. Until ... Your machine's BIOS also has to be updated to accept HD larger than 32 GB, an earlier limit. Once this is done then you can work with HDs up to the win 98 limit of 137 GB. But, i found a HD that is 250 GB for only $60 - so, how to make that work. i figured i could partition (Fdisk) the 250 into 2 ea 125 GB partitions that would then be within the 137 GB limit. this was a waste of hours. the secret was to buy a $20 PCI card that is a HD Controller that has no virtual limit. then i tried to partition it again pwrd thru this card ...and that was again a mistake. the new cntrlr can let win 98 'see' the whole 250 GB as one partition. And, ... that worked. it took a little doing to get the right drivers for the card in spite of them providing an install CD; got 2 driver files from their site that helped. you can now install 8 ea HD devices like: 6ea 500 GB HDs, CDRW and DVDRW on win 98 with virtual unlimited mem storage. Now, you can try it without going down the wrong pathways. ssome "ssome" wrote in message . .. For Windows 98SE and ME, you need a PCI controller card to use an EIDE hard drive larger than 137GB without risking data corruption. The drivers for the controller card enable large drive support in the operating system, while the card itself provides the hardware support needed for the PC to recognize the full drive capacity. WD Lifeguard s/w and Fdisk only let me create a partition of 137 GB max. the rest of the HD goes to waste. screwed by the mfgrs again. ssome "J. P. Gilliver" wrote in message ... "ssome" wrote in message . .. i'm running 3 HDs on two machines now, both with win 98SE i run the 3rd HD on the secondary cable along with the CDR; slower this way, but extra mem is worth it. use it for storage and not interactive apps. [] I thought that bit about "same cable as CDR makes it slower" was only true for IDE, not EIDE? (If not, then what _is_ the "enhancement" the E stands for?) [True IDE-only drives are years ago - I am pretty sure even CDRs have been EIDE for many years.] |
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Hard drive larger then 120GB question
To recap:
win98SE will only see 120GB max, but you can get a 250 to work if you get the PCI HD cntrlr card, $20. But, you can't use ScanDisk or win 98Me Defrag on it. What to do? i'm thinking, rather than buying XP or Vista which have more important problems, of getting another 250+ 'B' HD for $60 to dump my 250'A' HD data folders to, then using the cntrlr card s/w to format the 250A drive clean, then moving the folders back (assuming that the folders would then be compacted by the Copy process to B) from the 250B drive leaving a scanned and formatted A drive with defragged folders, and then clean out the slave 250 B drive. machina or better yet, get Msoft to clean up win 98 SE, add to it with good new limits and protection without adding any of the spy stuff. Yea, sure. But, don't they realize that 30% of all computers still use win 98? i'd buy the new version for $40. ssome "ssome" wrote in message ... So partitioning a big drive and assigning it to D and E (and F) would be fine with win 98 SE on another C: drive. If the new drive was the only drive then win would have to be installed on the first partition, to recap. it would seem wrong to get a big (200+ GB) drive and only use the first 120 GB of it and let the rest go unused as suggested by the above msgs. An interesting point here. i bought a new P5, 2.6 GHz machine and win 98SE would not let the old fdisk work on the new drive. i had to go to the WD HD site and get 2 utils that let me fdisk and format the new 80 GB drive. One was a DOS file if there wasn't win 98 already in that machine and the other file was a win 98 file that would setup the new HD if win 98 was already installed. i hope other HD mfgrs also do this. i got a new fdisk and win 98Me defrag. ssome "T-Online" wrote in message ... You can use Partitions smaller 137 Gb! If you want to run Win98,you must install it on the partition at the beginning of the D iskspace. ssome schrieb: Where does it say that you can't partition a 240 GB drive into two valid 120s? a 360 into 3 ea 120s? also, we use defrag from win 98 Me, are there other Me files we can use on win 98SE? ssome "USR" wrote in message ... Thanks for the links guys.... ... so, I guess as long as I don't create more then one partition and make it less then 127GBs in size, Win98SE should have no problems...in theory .... I'll post back once I get the drive. "Jon_Hildrum" wrote in message ... try rhis place too for information http://www.48bitlba.com/ -- Jon Hildrum www.hildrum.com "Touch Base" wrote in message ... "USR" wrote in message ... | Hello: | | I know that there is a limitation in Win98SE with regard to hard drive size | greater then 120GB. My question is, if I put a 320GB hard drive in an SE | box but only create a partition of 120GB or less, will I still run into | problems? | | TIA | some information; http://www.hexff.com/w98_hd.php |
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Hard drive larger then 120GB question
To recap:
win98SE will only see 120GB max, but you can get a 250 to work if you get the PCI HD cntrlr card, $20. But, you can't use ScanDisk or win 98Me Defrag on it. What to do? i'm thinking, rather than buying XP or Vista which have more important problems, of getting another 250+ 'B' HD for $60 to dump my 250'A' HD data folders to, then using the cntrlr card s/w to format the 250A drive clean, then moving the folders back (assuming that the folders would then be compacted by the Copy process to B) from the 250B drive leaving a scanned and formatted A drive with defragged folders, and then clean out the slave 250 B drive. machina or better yet, get Msoft to clean up win 98 SE, add to it with good new limits and protection without adding any of the spy stuff. Yea, sure. But, don't they realize that 30% of all computers still use win 98? i'd buy the new version for $40. ssome "ssome" wrote in message ... So partitioning a big drive and assigning it to D and E (and F) would be fine with win 98 SE on another C: drive. If the new drive was the only drive then win would have to be installed on the first partition, to recap. it would seem wrong to get a big (200+ GB) drive and only use the first 120 GB of it and let the rest go unused as suggested by the above msgs. An interesting point here. i bought a new P5, 2.6 GHz machine and win 98SE would not let the old fdisk work on the new drive. i had to go to the WD HD site and get 2 utils that let me fdisk and format the new 80 GB drive. One was a DOS file if there wasn't win 98 already in that machine and the other file was a win 98 file that would setup the new HD if win 98 was already installed. i hope other HD mfgrs also do this. i got a new fdisk and win 98Me defrag. ssome "T-Online" wrote in message ... You can use Partitions smaller 137 Gb! If you want to run Win98,you must install it on the partition at the beginning of the D iskspace. ssome schrieb: Where does it say that you can't partition a 240 GB drive into two valid 120s? a 360 into 3 ea 120s? also, we use defrag from win 98 Me, are there other Me files we can use on win 98SE? ssome "USR" wrote in message ... Thanks for the links guys.... ... so, I guess as long as I don't create more then one partition and make it less then 127GBs in size, Win98SE should have no problems...in theory .... I'll post back once I get the drive. "Jon_Hildrum" wrote in message ... try rhis place too for information http://www.48bitlba.com/ -- Jon Hildrum www.hildrum.com "Touch Base" wrote in message ... "USR" wrote in message ... | Hello: | | I know that there is a limitation in Win98SE with regard to hard drive size | greater then 120GB. My question is, if I put a 320GB hard drive in an SE | box but only create a partition of 120GB or less, will I still run into | problems? | | TIA | some information; http://www.hexff.com/w98_hd.php |
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Hard drive larger then 120GB question
ssome wrote:
To recap: win98SE will only see 120GB max, Windows 98 will have a problem with hard drives larger than 127 gb in size only if it uses it's standard driver to access the drive. That driver is ESDI_506.PDR. If the drive in question is connected to the system via a SATA or RAID controller, then there is a good chance that the system can be setup such that the ESDI_506.PDR driver -will not be used- for drive access, and hence the use of drives larger than 127 gb is possible. Some have modified or fixed the ESDI_506.PDR file to remedy the situation. Read here for more information: http://www.msfn.org/board/Enable48Bi...er_t78592.html |
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Hard drive larger then 120GB question
ssome wrote:
To recap: win98SE will only see 120GB max, Windows 98 will have a problem with hard drives larger than 127 gb in size only if it uses it's standard driver to access the drive. That driver is ESDI_506.PDR. If the drive in question is connected to the system via a SATA or RAID controller, then there is a good chance that the system can be setup such that the ESDI_506.PDR driver -will not be used- for drive access, and hence the use of drives larger than 127 gb is possible. Some have modified or fixed the ESDI_506.PDR file to remedy the situation. Read here for more information: http://www.msfn.org/board/Enable48Bi...er_t78592.html |
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"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
ssome wrote: To recap: win98SE will only see 120GB max, [] Some have modified or fixed the ESDI_506.PDR file to remedy the situation. Read here for more information: http://www.msfn.org/board/Enable48Bi...er_t78592.html Unfortunately, when attempting to download the new file(s) from the links in that article, one is denied access. |
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Hard drive larger then 120GB question
"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
ssome wrote: To recap: win98SE will only see 120GB max, [] Some have modified or fixed the ESDI_506.PDR file to remedy the situation. Read here for more information: http://www.msfn.org/board/Enable48Bi...er_t78592.html Unfortunately, when attempting to download the new file(s) from the links in that article, one is denied access. |
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"J. P. Gilliver" wrote:
http://www.msfn.org/board/Enable48Bi...er_t78592.html Unfortunately, when attempting to download the new file(s) from the links in that article, one is denied access. I just tried it, and it works fine. This is the link for the Win-98 SE version: http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?...=post&id=13558 You are probably being blocked by your own AV software or some other browser protection mechanism. You need to turn that off (probably). |
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