Keeping Windows 98 alive via a virtual machine?

I use VPC 2007 in XP Pro and have Win98Se, XP Pro, XP Home, Server
2003, Vista and ? installed in VPC.

Just curious, how much RAM do you have on your machine? Do you run these
guest OS's simultaneously, or one at a time?

Also, doesn't the maximum RAM capability of the computer put a limit on
getting the RAM needed for the guest OS's?

For a person who wants to have just one, or maybe two virtual machines on
the computer, is there any advantage to VM Ware over Virtual PC?

Thanks,
Larry

Just curious, how much RAM do you have on your machine? Do you run these
guest OS's simultaneously, or one at a time?

4GB. Due to the RAM alloted for each of the .vmc I run mainly two
although occasionally I will run 3.


Also, doesn't the maximum RAM capability of the computer put a limit on
getting the RAM needed for the guest OS's?

From VPC help:
quote
For host disk space and memory, refer to the following table to determine
the minimum required by the host operating system. This disk space is only a
starting point in determining how much disk space you will need. You also
must calculate the additional space that will be required by adding the
requirements of all guest operating systems you plan to deploy.

Windows Vista Ultimate 512 MB 15 GB
Windows Vista Enterprise 512 MB 15 GB
Windows Vista Business 512 MB 15 GB
Windows Server 2003,
Standard x64 Edition 128 MB of RAM required; 256 MB or more
recommended
1.25 to 2 GB of available
hard-disk space
Windows Server 2003,
Standard Edition 128 MB 2 GB
Windows XP Professional 128 MB 2 GB
Windows XP Home Edition 128 MB 2 GB

The following table lists the disk space and RAM required by each operating
system that Virtual PC supports as a guest operating system. The minimum
required disk space is the sum of the required disk space of each guest
operating system and the host operating system, in addition to additional
disk space for any applications to be installed on the operating systems. If
you plan to run more than one guest operating system simultaneously, you
will need to add the RAM requirements for all of those operating systems in
addition to the RAM required by the host operating system. To enhance
performance, consider increasing the amount of memory beyond the minimum
requirement.

Windows Vista Ultimate 512 MB 15 GB
Windows Vista Enterprise 512 MB 15 GB
Windows Vista Business 512 MB 15 GB
Windows XP Professional 128 MB 2 GB
Windows XP Home Edition 128 MB 2 GB
Windows 2000 Professional 128 MB 2 GB
Windows 98 Second Edition 128 MB 2 GB


For a person who wants to have just one, or maybe two virtual machines on
the computer, is there any advantage to VM Ware over Virtual PC?

Someone else would need to answer that, I've never used VM Ware.


--

Brian A. Sesko
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

Just curious, how much RAM do you have on your machine? Do you run these
guest OS's simultaneously, or one at a time?

4GB. Due to the RAM alloted for each of the .vmc I run mainly two
although occasionally I will run 3.


Also, doesn't the maximum RAM capability of the computer put a limit on
getting the RAM needed for the guest OS's?

From VPC help:
quote
For host disk space and memory, refer to the following table to determine
the minimum required by the host operating system. This disk space is only a
starting point in determining how much disk space you will need. You also
must calculate the additional space that will be required by adding the
requirements of all guest operating systems you plan to deploy.

Windows Vista Ultimate 512 MB 15 GB
Windows Vista Enterprise 512 MB 15 GB
Windows Vista Business 512 MB 15 GB
Windows Server 2003,
Standard x64 Edition 128 MB of RAM required; 256 MB or more
recommended
1.25 to 2 GB of available
hard-disk space
Windows Server 2003,
Standard Edition 128 MB 2 GB
Windows XP Professional 128 MB 2 GB
Windows XP Home Edition 128 MB 2 GB

The following table lists the disk space and RAM required by each operating
system that Virtual PC supports as a guest operating system. The minimum
required disk space is the sum of the required disk space of each guest
operating system and the host operating system, in addition to additional
disk space for any applications to be installed on the operating systems. If
you plan to run more than one guest operating system simultaneously, you
will need to add the RAM requirements for all of those operating systems in
addition to the RAM required by the host operating system. To enhance
performance, consider increasing the amount of memory beyond the minimum
requirement.

Windows Vista Ultimate 512 MB 15 GB
Windows Vista Enterprise 512 MB 15 GB
Windows Vista Business 512 MB 15 GB
Windows XP Professional 128 MB 2 GB
Windows XP Home Edition 128 MB 2 GB
Windows 2000 Professional 128 MB 2 GB
Windows 98 Second Edition 128 MB 2 GB


For a person who wants to have just one, or maybe two virtual machines on
the computer, is there any advantage to VM Ware over Virtual PC?

Someone else would need to answer that, I've never used VM Ware.


--

Brian A. Sesko
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

Correction to the Host system requirements:
Windows Vista Ultimate 512 MB 15 GB
Windows Vista Enterprise 512 MB 15 GB
Windows Vista Business 512 MB 15 GB
Windows XP Professional 128 MB 2 GB
Windows XP Home Edition 128 MB 2 GB
Windows Server 2003, Standard x64 Edition 512 MB 4 GB
Windows Server 2003, Standard Edition
128 MB of RAM required; 256 MB or more recommended
1.25 to 2 GB of available hard-disk space

--

Brian A. Sesko
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

Correction to the Host system requirements:
Windows Vista Ultimate 512 MB 15 GB
Windows Vista Enterprise 512 MB 15 GB
Windows Vista Business 512 MB 15 GB
Windows XP Professional 128 MB 2 GB
Windows XP Home Edition 128 MB 2 GB
Windows Server 2003, Standard x64 Edition 512 MB 4 GB
Windows Server 2003, Standard Edition
128 MB of RAM required; 256 MB or more recommended
1.25 to 2 GB of available hard-disk space

--

Brian A. Sesko
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

"Larry" wrote in message ...

Brian A wrote:
I use VPC 2007 in XP Pro and have Win98Se, XP Pro, XP Home, Server
2003, Vista and ? installed in VPC.


For a person who wants to have just one, or maybe two virtual machines on
the computer, is there any advantage to VM Ware over Virtual PC?


Last I checked VMWare's workstation was not free.

VMWare has USB support, VPC does not. Not a big deal if you only
want to access a folder on a USB device. In that case you can "share"
the host folder.

VMWare supports non-MS OS. VPC does not. You may be able to install
a Linux distro (for example) in VPC, but good luck finding the guest
"additions" software needed to allow some guest to host interactions.
Things like drag & drop, copy/paste, folder sharing, and mouse integration
between the host and guest (you will want these capabilities) would only be
available for supported MS OS guests in VPC.

There may be other differences that I'm not aware of. I've only installed
VMWare for a trial period, and was a while ago. I suspect that VMWare
puts more into their product development when it comes to the workstation
model. VPC's good, but MS seems to be sitting on it as a standalone package.

If you're only going to be guesting MS OSs, VPC is a good choice (and free).
You might also want to have a look at VirtualBox. All that said, you can always
install more than one virtual machine package and go from there.

"Larry" wrote in message ...

Brian A wrote:
I use VPC 2007 in XP Pro and have Win98Se, XP Pro, XP Home, Server
2003, Vista and ? installed in VPC.


For a person who wants to have just one, or maybe two virtual machines on
the computer, is there any advantage to VM Ware over Virtual PC?


Last I checked VMWare's workstation was not free.

VMWare has USB support, VPC does not. Not a big deal if you only
want to access a folder on a USB device. In that case you can "share"
the host folder.

VMWare supports non-MS OS. VPC does not. You may be able to install
a Linux distro (for example) in VPC, but good luck finding the guest
"additions" software needed to allow some guest to host interactions.
Things like drag & drop, copy/paste, folder sharing, and mouse integration
between the host and guest (you will want these capabilities) would only be
available for supported MS OS guests in VPC.

There may be other differences that I'm not aware of. I've only installed
VMWare for a trial period, and was a while ago. I suspect that VMWare
puts more into their product development when it comes to the workstation
model. VPC's good, but MS seems to be sitting on it as a standalone package.

If you're only going to be guesting MS OSs, VPC is a good choice (and free).
You might also want to have a look at VirtualBox. All that said, you can always
install more than one virtual machine package and go from there.

On Sat, 30 May 2009 02:15:51 -0400, Larry wrote:

Since this is the newsgroup where Windows 98 die-hards hang out, are
there people here who keep a Windows 98 environment for themselves by
installing it on a virtual machine within XP or Vista, via VM Ware or
similar programs? I've picked up a few things about virtualization, and
I'm interested in learning more about how it is done.

Basically, with virtual machines, older operating systems (and
applications) can remain viable for however long one wants to use them.
This is great news.

Larry

I have the 9x and 3x going on u-lite linux. I use vmware-player. I
create the machines at.
http://www.easyvmx.com/


--
http://english-158465906205.spampoison.com
http://u-lite.org

On Sat, 30 May 2009 02:15:51 -0400, Larry wrote:

Since this is the newsgroup where Windows 98 die-hards hang out, are
there people here who keep a Windows 98 environment for themselves by
installing it on a virtual machine within XP or Vista, via VM Ware or
similar programs? I've picked up a few things about virtualization, and
I'm interested in learning more about how it is done.

Basically, with virtual machines, older operating systems (and
applications) can remain viable for however long one wants to use them.
This is great news.

Larry

I have the 9x and 3x going on u-lite linux. I use vmware-player. I
create the machines at.
http://www.easyvmx.com/


--
http://english-158465906205.spampoison.com
http://u-lite.org

Bill,

Thanks, I just came across this message (11 days late).

Larry