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Old April 22nd 05, 12:30 AM
Silver Surfer
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Default Upgrade to SE

Pardon my ignorance on this subject, but I would like to know where to
acquire the SE upgrade for W98 presently installed on a laptop my daughter
gave me.

Have stumbled around all over the MS web site but came up empty. Perhaps
you can steer me in the right direction?


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Old April 22nd 05, 08:50 AM
Jeff Richards
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This is not a current MS product and MS can't supply it. Try EBay.

You are looking for the full retail Windows 98 SE or the upgrade retail
Windows 98 SE. Both these disks can be used to do a fresh install or an
upgrade, but the upgrade disk requires proof that you have an earlier
version of Windows.

There will be OEM versions available, but they can't alwasys be used to do
an upgrade. See
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/upgrade.html
UPGRADE WITH OEM CD.

There is also an update disk, which can update an existing W98 installation
to W98 SE, but cannot be used to do a clean install.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Silver Surfer" wrote in message
...
Pardon my ignorance on this subject, but I would like to know where to
acquire the SE upgrade for W98 presently installed on a laptop my daughter
gave me.

Have stumbled around all over the MS web site but came up empty. Perhaps
you can steer me in the right direction?



  #3  
Old April 22nd 05, 10:52 PM
Silver Surfer
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Thanks for the very useful enlightenment. You have put me on the right
path.

"Jeff Richards" wrote in message
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This is not a current MS product and MS can't supply it. Try EBay.

You are looking for the full retail Windows 98 SE or the upgrade retail
Windows 98 SE. Both these disks can be used to do a fresh install or an
upgrade, but the upgrade disk requires proof that you have an earlier
version of Windows.

There will be OEM versions available, but they can't alwasys be used to do
an upgrade. See
http://home.satx.rr.com/badour/html/upgrade.html
UPGRADE WITH OEM CD.

There is also an update disk, which can update an existing W98
installation to W98 SE, but cannot be used to do a clean install.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Silver Surfer" wrote in message
...
Pardon my ignorance on this subject, but I would like to know where to
acquire the SE upgrade for W98 presently installed on a laptop my
daughter gave me.

Have stumbled around all over the MS web site but came up empty. Perhaps
you can steer me in the right direction?





  #4  
Old April 23rd 05, 12:14 PM
Richard G. Harper
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A word of warning to add to Jeff's advice - laptops are notorious for not
working with "standard" Windows 98 CDs and usually require a customized
version of Windows 98 to work properly, if at all. There have been reports
of laptops being damaged by loading the wrong Windows 98 version on them. I
would approach such an upgrade with extreme caution.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
* In fond memory ... Alex, you shall be sorely missed
*
http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm


"Silver Surfer" wrote in message
...
Pardon my ignorance on this subject, but I would like to know where to
acquire the SE upgrade for W98 presently installed on a laptop my daughter
gave me.

Have stumbled around all over the MS web site but came up empty. Perhaps
you can steer me in the right direction?



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Old April 24th 05, 03:22 PM
PattyL
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I feel that I need to moderate Richard's warning somewhat. I'm not saying
that he's wrong but I feel that his warning may be overly alarmist. The
biggest problem with using a generic version of Windows on a laptop is that
the correct drivers for the laptop will not be included and installed with
Windows. Literally always, laptops require drivers that are customized for
the specific system and the installation from the manufacturer will install
and configure all of the hardware for your system. You can almost always
download these drivers and/or updated drivers from the manufacturer of your
laptop and I suggest that you check for the latest drivers for your system
and Win98SE before the upgrade.

If you install over Win98, it's quite likely that the Win98 drivers will
work fine with Win98SE and if you're not having problems with Win98, then I
strongly suggest this method on a laptop. If you are having problems and
want to do a clean install, I recommend running the restore or recovery from
the manufacturer to do a clean install of Win98 with all correct drivers and
then install Win98SE over this.

That said, it would be wise to check the manufacturer's web site to see if
there are special considerations for upgrading. If there are any known
problems with an upgrade over the shipped version of Windows, the
manufacturer will probably have that information on their web site. I have
a fair amount of experience with this and have never heard of a laptop being
damaged by loading the wrong Windows version on it. That's not to say that
it couldn't happen, but I'm not aware of it.

PattyL






"Silver Surfer" wrote in message
...
Pardon my ignorance on this subject, but I would like to know where to
acquire the SE upgrade for W98 presently installed on a laptop my daughter
gave me.

Have stumbled around all over the MS web site but came up empty. Perhaps
you can steer me in the right direction?



  #6  
Old April 24th 05, 07:46 PM
Silver Surfer
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OK. Your reply has cleared up some of the fog in my head. A casual
acquaintance had warned me about drivers and such if I pursued the upgrade
route but did not go into specifics, and I couldn't grasp the concept. Now
I understand thanks to you. By the way the laptop is an IBM 390E.

"PattyL" wrote in message
...
I feel that I need to moderate Richard's warning somewhat. I'm not saying
that he's wrong but I feel that his warning may be overly alarmist. The
biggest problem with using a generic version of Windows on a laptop is that
the correct drivers for the laptop will not be included and installed with
Windows. Literally always, laptops require drivers that are customized for
the specific system and the installation from the manufacturer will install
and configure all of the hardware for your system. You can almost always
download these drivers and/or updated drivers from the manufacturer of your
laptop and I suggest that you check for the latest drivers for your system
and Win98SE before the upgrade.

If you install over Win98, it's quite likely that the Win98 drivers will
work fine with Win98SE and if you're not having problems with Win98, then
I strongly suggest this method on a laptop. If you are having problems
and want to do a clean install, I recommend running the restore or
recovery from the manufacturer to do a clean install of Win98 with all
correct drivers and then install Win98SE over this.

That said, it would be wise to check the manufacturer's web site to see if
there are special considerations for upgrading. If there are any known
problems with an upgrade over the shipped version of Windows, the
manufacturer will probably have that information on their web site. I
have a fair amount of experience with this and have never heard of a
laptop being damaged by loading the wrong Windows version on it. That's
not to say that it couldn't happen, but I'm not aware of it.

PattyL






"Silver Surfer" wrote in message
...
Pardon my ignorance on this subject, but I would like to know where to
acquire the SE upgrade for W98 presently installed on a laptop my
daughter gave me.

Have stumbled around all over the MS web site but came up empty. Perhaps
you can steer me in the right direction?





  #7  
Old April 24th 05, 08:50 PM
PattyL
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Glad that cleared up some confusion. Do check out the IBM support site to
see if they have drivers specific for SE for your model computer. IBM
Thinkpads had a real tough time upgrading from 95 to 98 because of some
proprietary software that IBM preinstalled with Win95, but they posted
information and files on their support site that automated the process of
removing their software that did not function with Win98 and also caused
Win98 not to function. If there is a problem or anything required to
upgrade your system from Win98 to Win98SE, I am quite confident that they
will have it posted.

You can start he

http://www.ibm.com/support/us/

PattyL


"Silver Surfer" wrote in message
...
OK. Your reply has cleared up some of the fog in my head. A casual
acquaintance had warned me about drivers and such if I pursued the upgrade
route but did not go into specifics, and I couldn't grasp the concept.
Now I understand thanks to you. By the way the laptop is an IBM 390E.

"PattyL" wrote in message
...
I feel that I need to moderate Richard's warning somewhat. I'm not saying
that he's wrong but I feel that his warning may be overly alarmist. The
biggest problem with using a generic version of Windows on a laptop is
that the correct drivers for the laptop will not be included and installed
with Windows. Literally always, laptops require drivers that are
customized for the specific system and the installation from the
manufacturer will install and configure all of the hardware for your
system. You can almost always download these drivers and/or updated
drivers from the manufacturer of your laptop and I suggest that you check
for the latest drivers for your system and Win98SE before the upgrade.

If you install over Win98, it's quite likely that the Win98 drivers will
work fine with Win98SE and if you're not having problems with Win98, then
I strongly suggest this method on a laptop. If you are having problems
and want to do a clean install, I recommend running the restore or
recovery from the manufacturer to do a clean install of Win98 with all
correct drivers and then install Win98SE over this.

That said, it would be wise to check the manufacturer's web site to see
if there are special considerations for upgrading. If there are any
known problems with an upgrade over the shipped version of Windows, the
manufacturer will probably have that information on their web site. I
have a fair amount of experience with this and have never heard of a
laptop being damaged by loading the wrong Windows version on it. That's
not to say that it couldn't happen, but I'm not aware of it.

PattyL






"Silver Surfer" wrote in message
...
Pardon my ignorance on this subject, but I would like to know where to
acquire the SE upgrade for W98 presently installed on a laptop my
daughter gave me.

Have stumbled around all over the MS web site but came up empty.
Perhaps you can steer me in the right direction?







  #8  
Old April 25th 05, 03:10 AM
Richard G. Harper
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Ask Lee Chappell about the dead laptop. :-)

Newer laptops are much easier to deal with as they generally contain popular
and known chipsets. Laptops from the Win95/Win98 era often used
specially-designed chipsets or standard chipsets that had been heavily
modified for portable use.

That said, I like your ideas about driver support and upgrading - in most
cases that should mitigate or eliminate most of the real danger involved.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
* In fond memory ... Alex, you shall be sorely missed
*
http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm


"PattyL" wrote in message
...
I feel that I need to moderate Richard's warning somewhat. I'm not saying
that he's wrong but I feel that his warning may be overly alarmist.



  #9  
Old April 26th 05, 01:47 AM
Ron Badour
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Ask Bill Starbuck about his IBM laptop "upgrade" experience and the physical
damage it caused :-)

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Regards

Ron Badour, MS MVP Windows 98
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http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo

"Richard G. Harper" wrote in message
...
Ask Lee Chappell about the dead laptop. :-)

Newer laptops are much easier to deal with as they generally contain
popular and known chipsets. Laptops from the Win95/Win98 era often used
specially-designed chipsets or standard chipsets that had been heavily
modified for portable use.

That said, I like your ideas about driver support and upgrading - in most
cases that should mitigate or eliminate most of the real danger involved.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
* In fond memory ... Alex, you shall be sorely missed
*
http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm


"PattyL" wrote in message
...
I feel that I need to moderate Richard's warning somewhat. I'm not saying
that he's wrong but I feel that his warning may be overly alarmist.





  #10  
Old April 26th 05, 11:58 AM
Richard G. Harper
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Was it Bill? Sorry, faulty RAM chips; I thought it was Lee who'd done that.
:-(

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"Ron Badour" wrote in message
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Ask Bill Starbuck about his IBM laptop "upgrade" experience and the
physical damage it caused :-)

--
Regards

Ron Badour, MS MVP Windows 98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo

"Richard G. Harper" wrote in message
...
Ask Lee Chappell about the dead laptop. :-)

Newer laptops are much easier to deal with as they generally contain
popular and known chipsets. Laptops from the Win95/Win98 era often used
specially-designed chipsets or standard chipsets that had been heavily
modified for portable use.

That said, I like your ideas about driver support and upgrading - in most
cases that should mitigate or eliminate most of the real danger involved.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
* In fond memory ... Alex, you shall be sorely missed
*
http://www.aumha.org/alex.htm


"PattyL" wrote in message
...
I feel that I need to moderate Richard's warning somewhat. I'm not
saying that he's wrong but I feel that his warning may be overly
alarmist.







 




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