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You do seem to want to impress on others how little you understand about
the workings of system restore. Your first statement proves that as anyone who uses their brain can work out for themselves. -- Mike Maltby MS-MVP oops!! wrote: Mart, Thank you for your comments. 1. Mike is not right, and SR should be turned off BEFORE cleaning the system. 2. I am 100% pro-SR. 3. Quoting Symamtec doesn't make me their defence lawyer, or whatever. 4. You will see in some of my posts I said Mike is one of the best, if not the best, around. That doesn't make him faultless. As you may see from other posts there are MVP's that think differently too. Thank you again and take care. |
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What we are seeing here is a number of people who know about the workings
of system restore pointing out the errors contained in your posts. That you are unable to see this is unfortunate and I can only suggest you think about what you are saying and the consequences to a user of their following your flawed and dangerous advice. -- Mike Maltby MS-MVP oops!! wrote: Typically, we should have at least 5 or 6 "MVP's" more posting in defence of the pack. How is it possible you fail to see how sad that is? |
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Quoting Noel Paton, somewhere along this thread:
Yes , there are MVP's who recommend.... ....and Mike, myself and others are discussing this subject with them elsewhere, in an effort to iron out the disagreements.... ....are almost unanimous in their opinion that SR should NOT be disabled... Why is it that disagreeing with you is considered.. let's say poor reasoning? You're too narrow minded to see outside the narrow road you're walking. Unworthy of you, but keep on the good work. I have more important things to do today, rather then discussing the sex of angels. Cheers, Zee "Mike M" wrote in message ... You do seem to want to impress on others how little you understand about the workings of system restore. Your first statement proves that as anyone who uses their brain can work out for themselves. -- Mike Maltby MS-MVP oops!! wrote: Mart, Thank you for your comments. 1. Mike is not right, and SR should be turned off BEFORE cleaning the system. 2. I am 100% pro-SR. 3. Quoting Symamtec doesn't make me their defence lawyer, or whatever. 4. You will see in some of my posts I said Mike is one of the best, if not the best, around. That doesn't make him faultless. As you may see from other posts there are MVP's that think differently too. Thank you again and take care. |
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Zee,
Thank you for your comments. You are most welcome. But it is such a shame that you didn't read or understand them fully. 1. Mike is not right, and SR should be turned off BEFORE cleaning the system. Please re-read my previous reply, a sentence from which is reproduced below in case you missed it :- "As one who has benefited from using Mike's method (on more than one occasion!), I'm sticking with his argument...." 2. I am 100% pro-SR. Good for you! Sadly, it appears that there are some who aren't. 3. Quoting Symamtec (sic) doesn't make me their defence lawyer, or whatever. Err.. but it was YOU, who quoted the Symantec URL in the first place. I only cut and pasted a "snippet" from it to try to illustrate your misunderstanding and re-enforce MY point. 4. You will see in some of my posts I said Mike is one of the best, if not the best, around. That doesn't make him faultless. I'm sure that Mike would be the first to admit it - but I'm also sure that Mike can speak for himself. As you may see from other posts there are MVP's that think differently too. Which - like your previous statement - doesn't make them faultless either. Thank you again and take care. Thank you, I will - and likewise with you. Mart "oops!!" wrote in message ... Mart, Thank you for your comments. 1. Mike is not right, and SR should be turned off BEFORE cleaning the system. 2. I am 100% pro-SR. 3. Quoting Symamtec doesn't make me their defence lawyer, or whatever. 4. You will see in some of my posts I said Mike is one of the best, if not the best, around. That doesn't make him faultless. As you may see from other posts there are MVP's that think differently too. Thank you again and take care. Zee "Mart" wrote in message ... Come on, Zee! - You know Mike's right. It *may* be "Common Practice" - condoned only by those who have never thought Mike's argument thru' - but surely "Best Practice" is to keep all your options available. Every time I've seen Mike offer this advice (which are many!), he has ALWAYS warned of the dangers of selecting the wrong SR point - which is basically only what Symantec are hinting at in their blurb, but not explaining. A vague :- "... System Restore has the potential of restoring an infected file on your computer, even after you have cleaned the infected files from all the other locations." seems to be your (and their) only justification. Sorry Zee, but Symantec's case does not appear to offer any other "hard evidence" for disabling SR, for this issue to become "Best Practice" If you are so paranoid about re-introducing the virus "yourself" - through neglect, or is that Bad Practice! - then surely the solution is to flush System Restore *AFTER* clearing the problem - or better still, adjust the size of SR until you've FIFO'd the virus away. After all, it is quite harmless whilst it's still in the _SR folder - 'finger trouble' excepted g As one who has benefited from using Mike's method (on more than one occasion!), I'm sticking with his argument - no forgiveness required! I'm not an MVP, but a strong advocate of SR - IMHO, SR is a grossly under-used, under-promoted and mis-understood utility) Mart "oops!!" wrote in message ... Mike, Just thought about it... you're right... Everyone else is wrong... Even other MVP's...?? You got it a notch higher than expected! Oh, yes I'm so embarrassed for embarrassing you that I'll just take my coat and leave. Don't worry, we will forgive you. Zee snipped |
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Zee,
As I have already said, I'm NOT an MVP, just a sad old punter - BUT my claim to fame is that I have used Mike's 'method' myself and recovered a 'badly infected' system which would otherwise have been 'Very Difficult' or even 'Impossible' had I previously disabled SR. That's good enough for me. The 'sad' thing is that you keep ignoring the very strong case for keeping it enabled. Mart "oops!!" wrote in message ... Typically, we should have at least 5 or 6 "MVP's" more posting in defence of the pack. How is it possible you fail to see how sad that is? Zee "Richard G. Harper" wrote in message ... As far as I can see the only forgiving to be done is in the reverse order of where you think it needs to be done. -- Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to. * My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/ * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "oops!!" wrote in message ... Mike, Just thought about it... you're right... Everyone else is wrong... Even other MVP's...?? You got it a notch higher than expected! Oh, yes I'm so embarrassed for embarrassing you that I'll just take my coat and leave. Don't worry, we will forgive you. |
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Ordinarily I'd ask you not to insult my shortcomings - why I wear bifocals
is my own business. However, since following logical discourse seems difficult for you, please do feel free to insult my physical infirmities instead of discussing the real issue. I'm also overweight and balding, if that helps. -- Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups * for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied to. * My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/ * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "oops!!" wrote in message ... Oops, I forgot you're a bit short sighted too. |
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Disregarding for the moment this disagreement about the advisibility of
disabling SR prior to running an AV scan, or for any other reason, Zee, I direct your attention to your particular words here to Mr. Mike Maltby, and to others elsewhere directed to Mr. Richard Harper. IMO, these constitute a personal attack, unrelated to any technical discussion about computer business. This is not acceptible in this ng, nor really anywhere else. We are civilized here. If you wish to troll, do so elsewhere. If you continue in this vein, I suggest you will soon not be obtaining any responses to any inquiries or posts here. Like your choice in disabling SR on your personal computer, it's your "personal" choice. Neither Mike M, Noel Paton, Richard Harper, Mart, nor any one else here really needs my support since many users here understand the importance of SR to maintain the WinME computer. Readers can review years of our comments to aid them. IMHO, you are the one willing to take an unnecessary, possibly catastrophic risk. Hopefully, less informed readers of this thread will understand this and avoid your advice. Many already understand the inadvisibility of using Norton tools, or following Symantec advice, under WinME. We pride ourselves in the Millennium ng's for being compassionate and courteous, and expect the same from you despite how heated any disagreement may become. There is no excuse for lack of grace under pressure. Thank you in advance for your serious, careful reconsideration, and any consideration of an apology to those personally attacked, so we can return to a technical discussion avoiding personalities, -- Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx Your cooperation is very appreciated. ------ "oops!!" wrote in message ... Mike, LOL I'm sure your *wisdom* is proportional to your lack of education and good sense. But, that's so typical of too many MVP's. Enjoy your life, mate. Zee "Mike M" wrote in message ... SNIP |
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Richard G. Harper wrote:
Ordinarily I'd ask you not to insult my shortcomings - why I wear bifocals is my own business. However, since following logical discourse seems difficult for you, please do feel free to insult my physical infirmities instead of discussing the real issue. I'm also overweight and balding, if that helps. I'll thank you not to put "overweight" and "balding" into the "infirmities" category. Rick "robust with easily accessible carb backups" with a "light maintenance tonsure" |
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I think Richard meant his "I'm also ..." to mean the overweight and balding
aspects were "in addition to", and not to be in the same catagory as his "infirmities". But it's equally possible that I am wrong! He frequently thinks in ways that I cannot imagine beforehand. -- Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx Your cooperation is very appreciated. ------ "Rick T" wrote in message ... Richard G. Harper wrote: Ordinarily I'd ask you not to insult my shortcomings - why I wear bifocals is my own business. However, since following logical discourse seems difficult for you, please do feel free to insult my physical infirmities instead of discussing the real issue. I'm also overweight and balding, if that helps. I'll thank you not to put "overweight" and "balding" into the "infirmities" category. Rick "robust with easily accessible carb backups" with a "light maintenance tonsure" |
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