Is there any browser left for Win98se?

Bill in Co wrote:

The way we solved the problem (where explorer hangs up when deleting
a large number of files) was to replace the "browselc.dll" and
"browseui.dll" versions installed by IE6 with the versions installed
by IE5.5 (and reboot).

Bill is essentially correct.

This issue (explorer hangs when moving / copying / deleting many files)
was discussed in this newsgroup back in April/May 2011.

The roots of this solution can be traced back at least as far as a
thread here in this newsgroup in Dec. 2005. The participants of that
thread were Ivan Bútora, Ron Badour, and Rick Chauvin. As mentioned in
that thread, Chris Quirke had published a description and solution on
this page in April 2005:

http://cquirke.mvps.org/bexp1.htm

Quirke mentions an even earlier reference and solution (by Frank Provo)
he

http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm

My browser tells me that that page dates to October 2003.

Frank provides these links (still working) for browseui.dll and
browselec.dll:

http://www.frankprovo.com/browseui.dll (5.50.4807.2300)
http://www.frankprovo.com/browselc.dll (5.50.4807.2300)

I have no idea if those are the most recent (or last) IE 5.5 versions.
I myself have version 6.00.2800.1106 in my Windows/System directory (so
I have not implimented this fix). The original Windows-98se version is
5.00.2314.1000. I'm actually using version 6.00.2800.2007
(xpsp2.100414-1536) of browseui.dll.

Many people seem to agree that moving the most up-to-date IE6 version of
those files (the versions you have there right now) into C:\PROGRAM
FILES\INTERNET EXPLORER (so they are available for use by IE) and then
copy the above 5.50 versions to C:\Windows\System (for use by the OS).
You'll have to do that last part while in DOS mode.


Here is what I wrote at the time (April 2011):

======================

The fix for this problem used to involve obtaining the IE 5.5 version of
browseui.dll and browselc.dll. The best solution available at present
is this:

Unofficial Win 9x Explorer Lockups With IE 5.xx/6.xx update (SHELL98):

http://www.mdgx.com/files/SHELL98.EXE (1)

which installs Shell32.dll v. 4.72.3812.634, and the Unofficial Win 9x
Stack Corruption, 98KRNLUP:

http://www.mdgx.com/files/98KRNLUP.EXE (2)

which installs Krnl386.exe v. 04.10.00.2000, and then RLoew's Free
Unofficial KERNEL32 2GiB Seek Bug Patch:

http://rloew.limewebs.com/Programs/KERNEL32.ZIP (3)

which installs a patched Kernel32.dll v. 4.10.0.2225 and superseeds the
Anonymous Patcher's COPY2GB:

http://www.mdgx.com/files/COPY2GB.EXE

All 3 patches are needed for good system stability. And if you use
KernelEx, you should uninstall it, apply these patches and then
re-install it. Adding the latest Windows Explorer:

http://www.mdgx.com/files/EXPLOR98.EXE

is also a good idea, although not mandatory, AFAIK.

Shell98 is part of the Unofficial Service Pack 3 beta 4:

http://www.htasoft.com/w98se_post_usp4.php

On a slightly related subject, back in July last year, Bill said this:

I seem to recall having issues with files larger than 2 GB
with some programs, too, even with Win98SE.

To which I responded:

http://support.microsoft.com/?id=318293

=========
Windows 98 Explorer Cannot Copy Large Files

Symptoms:

When you use Windows Explorer to copy a file that has a size of 2
gigabytes (2 GB, or 2,147,483,648 bytes) or larger, the file copy
process does not work, and you receive an error message that is similar
to the following error message:

Error: Cannot create or replace "file name.xxx". The parameter is
incorrect.

Cause:

This problem can occur because of a problem in the versions of the
Shell32.dll file that are included with Windows 98 and Windows 98 Second
Edition. The root cause is a generic file operation which is used by the
shell in Windows 95/98 and Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 which interprets
values that are greater than 2 GB as negative numbers. The problem was
eliminated as part of many changes to the newer shell that comes from
Microsoft Internet Explorer 5 used by Microsoft Windows 2000 and
Microsoft Windows Millennium Edition (Me).

On Windows 98, the Shell32.dll file originates as part of Internet
Explorer version 4.0. On Windows 98 Second Edition, Shell32.dll
originates from Internet Explorer 4.01 Service Pack 2.

Workaround:

To work around this problem, copy the files by using the COPY command
from a command prompt.

Status:

Microsoft has confirmed that this is a problem in the Microsoft products
that are listed at the beginning of this article.

This problem was corrected in Windows Millennium Edition, Windows 2000,
and Windows XP.

Installing a newer version of Internet Explorer does not resolve this
problem, because later versions of Internet Explorer don't update
Shell32.dll on any platform except Windows 2000 and Windows Me.
===============

A win-98 patch was created a few years ago - COPY2GB.EXE

The COPY2GB patched kernel32.dll v. 4.10.0.2226 is based on Microsoft's
hotfix kernel32.dll v. 4.10.0.2225 (from KB320798). Copy2gb.exe can be
obtained from he

http://www.mdgx.com/files/COPY2GB.EXE

Some people usually add the Unofficial Win 9x Stack Corruption
(98KRNLUP.EXE) which installs Krnl386.exe v. 04.10.00.2000, and SHELL98
(Win 9x Explorer Lockups With IE 5.xx/6.xx update) which installs
Shell32.dll v. 4.72.3812.634.

http://www.mdgx.com/files/SHELL98.EXE
http://www.mdgx.com/files/98KRNLUP.EXE

This .2000 version is based on Windows 98/98 SE Cursor + Icon Handling
Security Vulnerability Fix (Q891711 / KB891711.EXE). This .2000 patch
of KRNL386.EXE prevents a rare, but then very often fatal case of stack
corruption when certain KERNEL APIs are called. The only connection to
KB891711/Q891711/U891711 is that these 16-bit binaries call at least one
of those KERNEL APIs. However, many of the serious problems people
reported with KB891711.EXE 4.10.2222 were most likely caused by a buffer
overflow condition on the 16-bit stack of KB891711.EXE. The problems
that still occured with KB891711.EXE 4.10.2223 but were much, much less
common, were most likely caused by the stack corruption bug in
KRNL386.EXE.

wrote:

In my opinion, there has only been two useful improvements in
MS OSs since Win98se.

1. Much better USB support.

That has been fixed for a few years now.

Maximus Decim Native USB ver.3.6

----------------
* Native (without installation of additional drivers for each type)
support USB flash drives, digital photo and videocameras and other
similar devices.

* Universal Stack USB 2.0 (without installation of additional drivers
for each chipsets) with uninstall.

1. Remove ALL drivers USB flash drives.
2. Remove ALL drivers USB 2.0 controllers.
3. Remove ALL USB 1.1 and 2.0 controllers and devices.
4. Remove ALL unknown devices.
5. Install NUSB 3.6 and reboot.
6. After detection new USB 1.1 and 2.0 controllers (if it will occur)
too it is necessary to reboot.
---------------

Download link:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/6/...08/nusb36e.rar

File is password protected. Password = "a" (no quotes).

2. Allowing much larger Hard drives.

Windows 98 does not have problems with large hard drives.

If your computer has integrated SATA controller on the motherboard, and
if the motherboard has socket-478 intel CPU, then Win-98 drivers will be
available for the SATA controller that will allow you to connect hard
drives up to 2tb in size and use them under windows 98.

If your computer does not have integrated SATA controller, then you can
spend $15 and buy a dual-port PCI sata adapter card. There will be
win-98 drivers available for the card, and once installed you can
connect sata hard drives up to 2tb in size to your win-98 system.

98 Guy wrote:
Bill in Co wrote:

The way we solved the problem (where explorer hangs up when deleting
a large number of files) was to replace the "browselc.dll" and
"browseui.dll" versions installed by IE6 with the versions installed
by IE5.5 (and reboot).

Bill is essentially correct.

This issue (explorer hangs when moving / copying / deleting many files)
was discussed in this newsgroup back in April/May 2011.

Way, way, before that, even. Now going back almost a decade.

The roots of this solution can be traced back at least as far as a
thread here in this newsgroup in Dec. 2005. The participants of that
thread were Ivan Bútora, Ron Badour, and Rick Chauvin. As mentioned in
that thread, Chris Quirke had published a description and solution on
this page in April 2005:

http://cquirke.mvps.org/bexp1.htm

Quirke mentions an even earlier reference and solution (by Frank Provo)
he

http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm

My browser tells me that that page dates to October 2003.

Frank provides these links (still working) for browseui.dll and
browselec.dll:

http://www.frankprovo.com/browseui.dll (5.50.4807.2300)
http://www.frankprovo.com/browselc.dll (5.50.4807.2300)

I have no idea if those are the most recent (or last) IE 5.5 versions.
I myself have version 6.00.2800.1106 in my Windows/System directory (so
I have not implimented this fix). The original Windows-98se version is
5.00.2314.1000. I'm actually using version 6.00.2800.2007
(xpsp2.100414-1536) of browseui.dll.

Many people seem to agree that moving the most up-to-date IE6 version of
those files (the versions you have there right now) into C:\PROGRAM
FILES\INTERNET EXPLORER (so they are available for use by IE) and then
copy the above 5.50 versions to C:\Windows\System (for use by the OS).
You'll have to do that last part while in DOS mode.

That's a good point which I forgot to mention. (Actually, I think only one
of those two IE6 browse DLLs was needed there, but it doesn't hurt).

Here is what I wrote at the time (April 2011):

======================

The fix for this problem used to involve obtaining the IE 5.5 version of
browseui.dll and browselc.dll. The best solution available at present
is this:

Just a comment on that. I seem to recall just trying to that newer Shell98
file, and it did not solve my windows explorer hanging problem, whereas
swapping the two browse DLLs - did. I think I even mentioned this in those
old discussions, but I can't recall now for sure (this was nearly a decade
ago).

Unofficial Win 9x Explorer Lockups With IE 5.xx/6.xx update (SHELL98):

http://www.mdgx.com/files/SHELL98.EXE (1)

which installs Shell32.dll v. 4.72.3812.634, and the Unofficial Win 9x
Stack Corruption, 98KRNLUP:

http://www.mdgx.com/files/98KRNLUP.EXE (2)

which installs Krnl386.exe v. 04.10.00.2000, and then RLoew's Free
Unofficial KERNEL32 2GiB Seek Bug Patch:

http://rloew.limewebs.com/Programs/KERNEL32.ZIP (3)

which installs a patched Kernel32.dll v. 4.10.0.2225 and superseeds the
Anonymous Patcher's COPY2GB:

http://www.mdgx.com/files/COPY2GB.EXE

All 3 patches are needed for good system stability. And if you use
KernelEx, you should uninstall it, apply these patches and then
re-install it. Adding the latest Windows Explorer:

http://www.mdgx.com/files/EXPLOR98.EXE

is also a good idea, although not mandatory, AFAIK.

Shell98 is part of the Unofficial Service Pack 3 beta 4:

http://www.htasoft.com/w98se_post_usp4.php

On a slightly related subject, back in July last year, Bill said this:

I seem to recall having issues with files larger than 2 GB
with some programs, too, even with Win98SE.

To which I responded:

http://support.microsoft.com/?id=318293

=========
Windows 98 Explorer Cannot Copy Large Files

Symptoms:

When you use Windows Explorer to copy a file that has a size of 2
gigabytes (2 GB, or 2,147,483,648 bytes) or larger, the file copy
process does not work, and you receive an error message that is similar
to the following error message:

Error: Cannot create or replace "file name.xxx". The parameter is
incorrect.

Cause:

This problem can occur because of a problem in the versions of the
Shell32.dll file that are included with Windows 98 and Windows 98 Second
Edition. The root cause is a generic file operation which is used by the
shell in Windows 95/98 and Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 which interprets
values that are greater than 2 GB as negative numbers. The problem was
eliminated as part of many changes to the newer shell that comes from
Microsoft Internet Explorer 5 used by Microsoft Windows 2000 and
Microsoft Windows Millennium Edition (Me).

On Windows 98, the Shell32.dll file originates as part of Internet
Explorer version 4.0. On Windows 98 Second Edition, Shell32.dll
originates from Internet Explorer 4.01 Service Pack 2.

Workaround:

To work around this problem, copy the files by using the COPY command
from a command prompt.

Status:

Microsoft has confirmed that this is a problem in the Microsoft products
that are listed at the beginning of this article.

This problem was corrected in Windows Millennium Edition, Windows 2000,
and Windows XP.

Installing a newer version of Internet Explorer does not resolve this
problem, because later versions of Internet Explorer don't update
Shell32.dll on any platform except Windows 2000 and Windows Me.
===============

A win-98 patch was created a few years ago - COPY2GB.EXE

The COPY2GB patched kernel32.dll v. 4.10.0.2226 is based on Microsoft's
hotfix kernel32.dll v. 4.10.0.2225 (from KB320798). Copy2gb.exe can be
obtained from he

http://www.mdgx.com/files/COPY2GB.EXE

Some people usually add the Unofficial Win 9x Stack Corruption
(98KRNLUP.EXE) which installs Krnl386.exe v. 04.10.00.2000, and SHELL98
(Win 9x Explorer Lockups With IE 5.xx/6.xx update) which installs
Shell32.dll v. 4.72.3812.634.

http://www.mdgx.com/files/SHELL98.EXE
http://www.mdgx.com/files/98KRNLUP.EXE

This .2000 version is based on Windows 98/98 SE Cursor + Icon Handling
Security Vulnerability Fix (Q891711 / KB891711.EXE). This .2000 patch
of KRNL386.EXE prevents a rare, but then very often fatal case of stack
corruption when certain KERNEL APIs are called. The only connection to
KB891711/Q891711/U891711 is that these 16-bit binaries call at least one
of those KERNEL APIs. However, many of the serious problems people
reported with KB891711.EXE 4.10.2222 were most likely caused by a buffer
overflow condition on the 16-bit stack of KB891711.EXE. The problems
that still occured with KB891711.EXE 4.10.2223 but were much, much less
common, were most likely caused by the stack corruption bug in
KRNL386.EXE.

On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:57:30 -0700, "Bill in Co"
wrote:

How many store clerks can even make change anymore without a
register? Maybe two?

I'd like to meet them.

I frequently hand over notes plus coin for a transaction, with the aim
of lightening my coin load and to result in an even dollar change
(e.g. $15.40 for a $13.40 transaction amount). Some get confused,
others hand me back my 40c and then give me $1.60 ....

who where wrote:
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:57:30 -0700, "Bill in Co"
wrote:

How many store clerks can even make change anymore without a
register? Maybe two?

I'd like to meet them.

I frequently hand over notes plus coin for a transaction, with the aim
of lightening my coin load and to result in an even dollar change
(e.g. $15.40 for a $13.40 transaction amount). Some get confused,
others hand me back my 40c and then give me $1.60 ....

The "good" news (if you can call it that) is that we all have a limited
lifetime to have to endure more of this increasing ignorance. Hmmm, maybe
changing the municipal water supply would help? :-)

On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:44:36 +0100, Axel Berger
wrote:

wrote:
In other words,
200K of text and photos, versus a 25 meg video.

Well said, all of it. As to the bit above, it's not the download I mind
but having to endure the video. I can skim text at a glance and find an
read only the relevant bits, but I have to sit through the boredom of
all of the video. This whole culture is going illiterate and people who
read are becoming such a minute minority, nobody bothers to cater for
them any more.

Yea, 2/3 of the video was watching the guy hunt for the correct socket,
then watching him turn the ratchet for the entire threads. At least tv
shows like "This Old House", the guy has all his needed tools right
there, and they skip parts of things like sawing a sheet of plywood in
half, or applying all the nails.

The web was nice while it lasted.

I said the same thing!
I still liked the old Geocities. Everyone had a little simple web page
expressing themselves, and it was pretty well organized by topic. That
sure beats this facebook crap!

On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 10:44:51 -0500, 98 Guy wrote:

wrote:

I have Firefox 3.x installed.

Why haven't you tried a more recent version of Firefox then?
Such as 10?

Because it wont run in Win98. I tried to run FF4.x and that would
not run, so I know 10 wont run for sure.

You know I'm running Win98se.
Why do you keep repeating over and over to install Firefox 10 (or
any newer version). You claim to be using Win98, and you know darn
well that FF 2.x is the last version to work on w98se WITHOUT Kernal
Ex and FF 3.x is the last version to work WITH Kernal Ex.

Look.

Why are you being an ass here?

I've told you plenty of times that KernelEx will allow you to run
versions of Firefox higher than 3 or 3.5.

KernelEx will allow you to run Firefox 3.6.28 with no issues, and
versions 8.01 or 9.0 with a few issues. Some have gotten version 10 to
run.

I've told you that Kex will allow you to run versions of Opera higher
than 10 (like 11 and 12) but you want to be a stubborn ass and not even
try newer versions of Opera.

And why have you claimed that you can't run a more recent version
of Opera? You should have at least tried version 12.

Ver 10.x is the last ver meant for Win98.

What do you want?

Forget what was "meant" for win-98. Today, in the year 2013, you do
what you can. You use what others have created. That means you use
KernelEx to the best of it's ability. That means you go beyond the
"official" last versions of this or that.

There was an important change to KernelEx a few years ago. If you
have any version of KernelEx 3.x, you are strongly advised to
replace it with the most recent version (4.5.2).

I upgraded it about a year ago. Not sure which version I have.
How do I find out? Is there a way to show the version number?

Do a file-search for the file KEXBASES.DLL (it should be in your
c:\windows\KernelEx directory). It should have a file-date of
11/14/2011. If you right-click on it, and select the Version tab, it
should show "4, 5, 12, 0". There should be a file in that directory
with the name "Release Notes.txt". It should start with this:

=========
KernelEx v4.5.2 by Xeno86
2011-11-14

(...)

* Now working: Mozilla Firefox 8.0
=========

Note how Firefox 8.0 is listed as being compatible / working.

What version of Adobe Flash do you have installed?

(many websites use flash)

Ver 9 it appears. Isn't that the last one that works on 98?

Again, you must let go of what is claimed to be the last official
version for win-98. Let go of that idea.

With KernelEx, I have Flash version 11.3.300.268 running just fine. The
most recent version is 11.6.602.168 and if I wanted I could simply go
out and obtain the most recent file (NPSWF32.dll) and copy it over this
current version.

(Windows scripting host 5.7)

Will this help improve scripting on other browsers besides IE?
I removed IE entirely, many years ago.

I can't say for sure, but I am sure that your removal of IE is
interferring or limiting some degree of web-compatibility for your other
browsers, and is most likely giving you jscript issues.

No matter how much you don't like the idea that Microsoft bundled or
tied IE into Windows 98, and no matter how good it makes you feel that
you've surgically removed IE from your computer, I've always thought it
was a dumb thing to do because it does break other aspects of your
computer's functionality, for no real gain.

and FF 3.x is the last version to work WITH Kernal Ex.

Go and obtain Firefox version 3.6.28. Try it, see if you like it.

If you're more ambitious, try Firefox 8.0.1.

You might (or will) have issues with bookmarks and/or browsing history
under FF 8, but not with 3.6.28.

You will (I think) not have any Java functionality for any version of
Firefox 3.5 or higher. This is also true for Opera 10 (?) and higher.

Ok, I'm not being an ass, I just did not understand. I do have the
latest KEX installed. KernelEx v4.5.2.

I then downloaded FF 10, installed it and it just kept locking up even
after several reboots, and a reinstall of KEX from a different download.

After reading some online info about KEX, I found it said it was made
for FF 8. I went to an old-apps site, and got FF 8. FF 8.0 is working
real well, and seems stable. The only issue I have had with it, is that
it keeps asking me to check for upgrades everytime I open it, and in the
settings I have all boxes unchecked for "check for upgrades". But I
suppose I can live with that slight annoyance.

I also have FF 3.6.28. installed in another partition. I already had
that. I did find out that I can not load both at the same time, and
both are using the same PROFILES folder in C:\WINDOWS\APPLICATION
DATA\MOZILLA\FIREFOX. Because of that, some of my extensions are
conflicting. I'm guessing that a person just can not have two
installations of FF in the same OS. If FF 8.0 keeps working well, I'll
probably just remove the FF 3.6.28. But I want to play with it a little
more first.

As for Opera, I may try a newer version, but I still dont like the
program itself. However, when I'm bored I'll probably try it. The
worst that can happen is that I waste an hour or more downloading it (on
dialup). but I usually just let things download when I'm sleeping.

-----

That reminds me, is there any piece of freeware that will disconnect a
modem dialup connection after X hours? In other words, If my download
will take 7:20, I'd like the computer to automatically disable the modem
after something like 8 hours (allowing a little extra time if the
interent is running slow.) Thereason for this, is because I often wake
up and leave for work and forget to sdhut off the modem, or I may go to
shut it off and find there is still 20 minutes left to download. Either
way, the modem is tying up my home phone all day long, and no one can
leave me a message that they called.

Bill in Co wrote:

I searched for "Adobe Audition 1.5" (as a phrase in Google) and came
up with a few sites, some of which were deadends. But some weren't.
Here are a couple of links:

http://www.filecrop.com/adobe-auditi...l-version.html

http://www.edusoft4vn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=122449

Ok, so I downloaded Audition 1.5 and it won't install as-is.

I used 7-zip to extract the files from the installer and got the MSI
file out of it. It still won't install. I then used Orca to modify the
msi file and removed some conditions, and then I got it to install.

It has specific conditions to not install on win-9x/me, as well as
win-2k with SP less than 2.

After installation, when I run it the first time, it asks what drive to
use for temp files, but after that it just closes when I run it. No
error messages. So this looks like a dead end.

What about Audition 1.0? Some people seem to think that it runs under
win-9x/me.

Try "Sound Forge 7.0." (NOT Audio Studio, which is stripped down).

(Version 6.0 already works in Win98, but it's a bit too dated, but
better than nothing. Versions 7 and above are NO-GOs for Win98,
at least when I ried KernelEx - you can't get past the installer).

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/...undforgefamily

I'll try that next.

98 Guy wrote:
Bill in Co wrote:

I searched for "Adobe Audition 1.5" (as a phrase in Google) and came
up with a few sites, some of which were deadends. But some weren't.

Ok, so I downloaded Audition 1.5 and it won't install as-is.

I used 7-zip to extract the files from the installer and got the MSI
file out of it. It still won't install. I then used Orca to modify the
msi file and removed some conditions, and then I got it to install.

It has specific conditions to not install on win-9x/me, as well as
win-2k with SP less than 2.

I wonder why, too.

After installation, when I run it the first time, it asks what drive to
use for temp files, but after that it just closes when I run it. No
error messages. So this looks like a dead end.

Well, that is indeed interesting. Fascinating, that it would die out like
that.

What about Audition 1.0? Some people seem to think that it runs under
win-9x/me.

Possibly, since it was the first adoption of Cool Edit Pro, before Adobe
really started getting into it. But AA version 1.5 (and above) offered
additional features and improvements over 1.0.

Try "Sound Forge 7.0." (NOT Audio Studio, which is stripped down).

(Version 6.0 already works in Win98, but it's a bit too dated, but
better than nothing. Versions 7 and above are NO-GOs for Win98,
at least when I ried KernelEx - you can't get past the installer).

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/...undforgefamily

I'll try that next.

Good luck with that, but, who knows. Sound Forge is an outstanding (albeit
primarily 2 track) audio editor.

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