Reset of pc

My pc needs the inelegant method of switching off the mains supply if
it freezes. Previous ones used a reset button that operated internally
to the pc. Is it possible to pick up connections to do the same in any
of the sockets on the pc case? There are unused ones that could do
the same with an external push button. Fourty years ago I did this
with my Commodore 64 which was lacking a decent reset method.

Basil H Grose wrote in
:

My pc needs the inelegant method of switching off the mains supply if
it freezes. Previous ones used a reset button that operated internally
to the pc. Is it possible to pick up connections to do the same in any
of the sockets on the pc case? There are unused ones that could do
the same with an external push button. Fourty years ago I did this
with my Commodore 64 which was lacking a decent reset method.


Read your motherboard manual.

Check motherboard manual. may be able to set the bios to do just that
on power button press, 4sec& release=restart 4sec =power down.
may also show unused(at the moment) pins for reset button, may have reset
button disabled

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"Basil H Grose" wrote in message
...
| My pc needs the inelegant method of switching off the mains supply if
| it freezes. Previous ones used a reset button that operated internally
| to the pc. Is it possible to pick up connections to do the same in any
| of the sockets on the pc case? There are unused ones that could do
| the same with an external push button. Fourty years ago I did this
| with my Commodore 64 which was lacking a decent reset method.

On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:47:38 -0300, "AlmostBob"
wrote:

Check motherboard manual. may be able to set the bios to do just that
on power button press, 4sec& release=restart 4sec =power down.
may also show unused(at the moment) pins for reset button, may have reset
button disabled
Many thanks, unfortunately I inherited my pc from a relative who
cannot find the manual but as it is a Compaq 7477 I hope I can run a
copy to earth.

You should solve the freeze problem, instead of thinking of such a
thing.

A quick thing might be to try Safe Mode, to see whether it freezes
there. If not, then it is likely something in the Startup Group or a
32-bit Normal Mode driver doing it. Then, there is an MSCONFIG
troubleshooting method for that, explained in "START, Help, Contents,
Troubleshooting, Windows 98 Troubleshooters, Startup & Shutdown
section".
http://support.microsoft.com/support/windows/tshoot
That also is the Troubleshooters.

Also...
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;281965
How to Troubleshoot Using the Msconfig Utility with Windows 98
(281965) - This article describes how to use the Microsoft System
Configuration (Msconfig) utility to troubleshoot configuration errors in
Windows 98 and Windows 98 Second Edition.

Careful with that one, though. Don't turn off System.ini or Win.ini,
unless you know how to restore them in DOS.

To get to Safe Mode, hit F5 as you boot. Or hit Ctrl for the Startup
Menu, if not already enabled at "START, Run, MSConfig, Advanced button".

(1) The mouse & keyboard are the ones with moving parts, & they are
"hooked", meaning tasks will run each time you touch one. Therefore,
with the computer off, unplug the mouse & hold by it's tail until it may
stop spinning & squawking. Also, open & clean the ball & rollers. That
is not a design you may see on the rollers-- it is a band of dirt
running round the center! Also, unplug the keyboard, turn it round &
spank it.

(2) If disabling your virus checker's auto-"System" scan, using it's
Tray button, leaving the other types on, gives immediate & dramatic
relief, I have further info. This supposedly applies to Scan Engine
4.1.60.

(3)
http://support.microsoft.com/default...51&Product=w98
USB Mouse May Hang When the Computer Is Idle for a Long Time

So, if you have "Find Fast", try disabling that.
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=199787
OFF2000: How to Turn Off the Find Fast Indexer
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;158705
OFF97: How to Disable the Find Fast Indexer
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;135476
OFF95: Office for Windows 95 Find Fast Indexer Overview

(4) For sluggishness in navigating folders: Open Explorer, R-Clk My
Documents in the left pane, & select Properties. How many folders
does it contain? If it is around 100, try moving them out. Reboot. Is
your sluggishness gone?

(5) Update definitions & check for viruses, and...
http://aumha.org/a/parasite.htm
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/unwanted.htm
http://www.mvps.org/inetexplorer/Darnit.htm#tshoot
http://patrick.kolla.de/spybotsd.html SpyBot- Search & Destroy. SpyBot
is gabby in it's "Checks" & "Fixes" logs. Turn them off in "Settings".
http://www.lavasoftusa.com/ AdAware
http://www.lavasoftusa.de/ Also AdAware
http://www.merijn.org/cwschronicles.html CoolWebSearch Chronicles
http://www.merijn.org/files/cwshredder.zip & CWShredder
http://www.merijn.org/files/hijackthis.zip Finally, Hijack This
http://aumha.org/a/hjttutor.htm
Hijack This Logs Tutorial-- MUST read!
....may find something. (Actually, they certainly will.)


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Basil H Grose" wrote in message
...
| My pc needs the inelegant method of switching off the mains supply if
| it freezes. Previous ones used a reset button that operated internally
| to the pc. Is it possible to pick up connections to do the same in any
| of the sockets on the pc case? There are unused ones that could do
| the same with an external push button. Fourty years ago I did this
| with my Commodore 64 which was lacking a decent reset method.

On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:47:38 -0300, "AlmostBob"
wrote:

Check motherboard manual. may be able to set the bios to do just that
on power button press, 4sec& release=restart 4sec =power down.
may also show unused(at the moment) pins for reset button, may have reset
button disabled

I find that my pc already has the facility described, thanks for
telling me, without a manual its features are unknown. It has a 1 GB
partition of the HD devoted to Compaq a mystery area.

Going back to the pc freezing as this will block the keyboard a BIOS
related solution does not seem possible. A simple push button to
generate a non-maskable Reset impulse seems the most promising cure. I
asked for this feature on my previous machine, a clone, and found it
satisfactory. It surprises me that this facility is not standard on
all machines, switching the mains power off and on is not usually
considered beneficial to the electrics and is sometimes suggested as a
way of provoking pending faults.
]2

On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 21:12:30 -0400, "PCR" wrote:

You should solve the freeze problem, instead of thinking of such a
thing.

A quick thing might be to try Safe Mode, to see whether it freezes
there. If not, then it is likely something in the Startup Group or a
32-bit Normal Mode driver doing it. Then, there is an MSCONFIG
troubleshooting method for that, explained in "START, Help, Contents,
Troubleshooting, Windows 98 Troubleshooters, Startup & Shutdown
section".
http://support.microsoft.com/support/windows/tshoot
That also is the Troubleshooters.

Also...
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;281965
How to Troubleshoot Using the Msconfig Utility with Windows 98
(281965) - This article describes how to use the Microsoft System
Configuration (Msconfig) utility to troubleshoot configuration errors in
Windows 98 and Windows 98 Second Edition.

Careful with that one, though. Don't turn off System.ini or Win.ini,
unless you know how to restore them in DOS.

To get to Safe Mode, hit F5 as you boot. Or hit Ctrl for the Startup
Menu, if not already enabled at "START, Run, MSConfig, Advanced button".

(1) The mouse & keyboard are the ones with moving parts, & they are
"hooked", meaning tasks will run each time you touch one. Therefore,
with the computer off, unplug the mouse & hold by it's tail until it may
stop spinning & squawking. Also, open & clean the ball & rollers. That
is not a design you may see on the rollers-- it is a band of dirt
running round the center! Also, unplug the keyboard, turn it round &
spank it.

(2) If disabling your virus checker's auto-"System" scan, using it's
Tray button, leaving the other types on, gives immediate & dramatic
relief, I have further info. This supposedly applies to Scan Engine
4.1.60.

(3)
http://support.microsoft.com/default...51&Product=w98
USB Mouse May Hang When the Computer Is Idle for a Long Time

So, if you have "Find Fast", try disabling that.
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=199787
OFF2000: How to Turn Off the Find Fast Indexer
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;158705
OFF97: How to Disable the Find Fast Indexer
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;135476
OFF95: Office for Windows 95 Find Fast Indexer Overview

(4) For sluggishness in navigating folders: Open Explorer, R-Clk My
Documents in the left pane, & select Properties. How many folders
does it contain? If it is around 100, try moving them out. Reboot. Is
your sluggishness gone?

(5) Update definitions & check for viruses, and...
http://aumha.org/a/parasite.htm
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/unwanted.htm
http://www.mvps.org/inetexplorer/Darnit.htm#tshoot
http://patrick.kolla.de/spybotsd.html SpyBot- Search & Destroy. SpyBot
is gabby in it's "Checks" & "Fixes" logs. Turn them off in "Settings".
http://www.lavasoftusa.com/ AdAware
http://www.lavasoftusa.de/ Also AdAware
http://www.merijn.org/cwschronicles.html CoolWebSearch Chronicles
http://www.merijn.org/files/cwshredder.zip & CWShredder
http://www.merijn.org/files/hijackthis.zip Finally, Hijack This
http://aumha.org/a/hjttutor.htm
Hijack This Logs Tutorial-- MUST read!
...may find something. (Actually, they certainly will.)
Stap me vitals! I never expected such a comprehensive reply, many thanks. Perhaps I should explain I
have inherited a Compaq which has had a hammering of three years family service, it is a bit
temperamaental at present and has just deleted my first attempt at this message. Up to then freezing
was its speciality. Unfortunately the manuals are missing so the pc is a bag of mystery as it has a
battery of handy routines in a dedicated partition of the HD of which I have no knowlege. A format
and reload is attractive except that the set up discs are lost. Families! My former pc has succombed
probably to the frying it got because I neglected to keep the heat sink on the CPU clean. I guess
there is a corrupted program in the Compaq causing grief though I turned a cleaner loose on it. That
found about 10MB of junk.
Again many thanks.

You are welcome. Well...

(1) Mine is a Compaq 7470. In a fit of impatience, I did have a clicking
fest inside Add/Remove Programs, but I hesitate to say which items I
removed. There STILL is plenty Compaq there. Well... looks like I
removed...

(a) Compaq Automatic Updating for Windows
(b) Compaq WEBISP
(c) Compaq WEBREG
(d) Compaq Wizard Host Online
(e) Compaq NET Registration
(f) Compaq Service Connection (BackWEB)

Remaining items are...

(a) Compaq Desktop 100 Screen Saver
(b) Compaq Hardware Discovery
(c) Compaq IE Custom
(d) Compaq IE5 Customization
(e) Compaq OOBE Online
(f) Compaq CPQ Hardware Discovery

....Perhaps a few of those really didn't have "Compaq" in front of them.

(2) Try the Compaq site for SP's, of which I took at least 15...
http://web14.compaq.com/falco/default.asp

(3) I once had a freezing problem of my own. Don't know precisely what
cured it. Have you gone to Windows Update & taken the cumulative IE
update(s)?


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Basil H Grose" wrote in message
...
| On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 21:12:30 -0400, "PCR" wrote:
|
| You should solve the freeze problem, instead of thinking of such a
| thing.
|
| A quick thing might be to try Safe Mode, to see whether it freezes
| there. If not, then it is likely something in the Startup Group or a
| 32-bit Normal Mode driver doing it. Then, there is an MSCONFIG
| troubleshooting method for that, explained in "START, Help, Contents,
| Troubleshooting, Windows 98 Troubleshooters, Startup & Shutdown
| section".
| http://support.microsoft.com/support/windows/tshoot
| That also is the Troubleshooters.
|
| Also...
| http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;281965
| How to Troubleshoot Using the Msconfig Utility with Windows 98
| (281965) - This article describes how to use the Microsoft System
| Configuration (Msconfig) utility to troubleshoot configuration errors
in
| Windows 98 and Windows 98 Second Edition.
|
| Careful with that one, though. Don't turn off System.ini or Win.ini,
| unless you know how to restore them in DOS.
|
| To get to Safe Mode, hit F5 as you boot. Or hit Ctrl for the Startup
| Menu, if not already enabled at "START, Run, MSConfig, Advanced
button".
|
| (1) The mouse & keyboard are the ones with moving parts, & they are
| "hooked", meaning tasks will run each time you touch one. Therefore,
| with the computer off, unplug the mouse & hold by it's tail until it
may
| stop spinning & squawking. Also, open & clean the ball & rollers.
That
| is not a design you may see on the rollers-- it is a band of dirt
| running round the center! Also, unplug the keyboard, turn it round &
| spank it.
|
| (2) If disabling your virus checker's auto-"System" scan, using it's
| Tray button, leaving the other types on, gives immediate & dramatic
| relief, I have further info. This supposedly applies to Scan Engine
| 4.1.60.
|
| (3)
|
http://support.microsoft.com/default...27551&Product=
w98
| USB Mouse May Hang When the Computer Is Idle for a Long Time
|
| So, if you have "Find Fast", try disabling that.
| http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=199787
| OFF2000: How to Turn Off the Find Fast Indexer
| http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;158705
| OFF97: How to Disable the Find Fast Indexer
| http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;135476
| OFF95: Office for Windows 95 Find Fast Indexer Overview
|
| (4) For sluggishness in navigating folders: Open Explorer, R-Clk My
| Documents in the left pane, & select Properties. How many folders
| does it contain? If it is around 100, try moving them out. Reboot. Is
| your sluggishness gone?
|
| (5) Update definitions & check for viruses, and...
| http://aumha.org/a/parasite.htm
| http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/unwanted.htm
| http://www.mvps.org/inetexplorer/Darnit.htm#tshoot
| http://patrick.kolla.de/spybotsd.html SpyBot- Search & Destroy.
SpyBot
| is gabby in it's "Checks" & "Fixes" logs. Turn them off in
"Settings".
| http://www.lavasoftusa.com/ AdAware
| http://www.lavasoftusa.de/ Also AdAware
| http://www.merijn.org/cwschronicles.html CoolWebSearch Chronicles
| http://www.merijn.org/files/cwshredder.zip & CWShredder
| http://www.merijn.org/files/hijackthis.zip Finally, Hijack This
| http://aumha.org/a/hjttutor.htm
| Hijack This Logs Tutorial-- MUST read!
| ...may find something. (Actually, they certainly will.)
| Stap me vitals! I never expected such a comprehensive reply, many
thanks. Perhaps I should explain I
| have inherited a Compaq which has had a hammering of three years
family service, it is a bit
| temperamaental at present and has just deleted my first attempt at
this message. Up to then freezing
| was its speciality. Unfortunately the manuals are missing so the pc is
a bag of mystery as it has a
| battery of handy routines in a dedicated partition of the HD of which
I have no knowlege. A format
| and reload is attractive except that the set up discs are lost.
Families! My former pc has succombed
| probably to the frying it got because I neglected to keep the heat
sink on the CPU clean. I guess
| there is a corrupted program in the Compaq causing grief though I
turned a cleaner loose on it. That
| found about 10MB of junk.
| Again many thanks.

Basil:

BH Check motherboard manual. may be able to set the bios to do just that
BH on power button press, 4sec& release=restart 4sec =power down.
BH may also show unused(at the moment) pins for reset button, may have reset
BH button disabled
BH Many thanks, unfortunately I inherited my pc from a relative who
BH cannot find the manual but as it is a Compaq 7477 I hope I can run a
BH copy to earth.

Try a Google search for your motherboard, and/or a search at the
Compaq site. Note: if the system was purchased from a retail store
you may or may not get an exact match: often a retailer will create a
specific package for sale only by them (better/worse video, more/less
RAM, software package, etc.).

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PCR wrote:
There STILL is plenty Compaq there. Well... looks like I
removed...

(a) Compaq Automatic Updating for Windows
(b) Compaq WEBISP
(c) Compaq WEBREG
(d) Compaq Wizard Host Online
(e) Compaq NET Registration
(f) Compaq Service Connection (BackWEB)

Remaining items are...

(a) Compaq Desktop 100 Screen Saver
(b) Compaq Hardware Discovery
(c) Compaq IE Custom
(d) Compaq IE5 Customization
(e) Compaq OOBE Online
(f) Compaq CPQ Hardware Discovery



Holy Moly!

The term "bloatware" has taken on a whole new meaning. I suppose every
one of those loads at boot too! Sheeeesh, I just cleaned up a client's
new HP box that absolutely assaulted you with "I'm running!" notices
at(painfully slow)start-up, which I *thought* was bad with the
pre-loaded goo.

MM