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  #41  
Old February 18th 07, 03:00 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.apps
Bill in Co.
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PCR wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote:
PCR wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote:
PCR wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote:
PCR wrote:
...snip
Those are my sentiments too. It's Colorado who first discovered
the mdgx site, & it's up to him to get bloody with Terhune-- not
us!

Well, I'm not waiting - I'm done with it already. I did it
months ago, and as far as I'm concerned, I'm through, and moving
on to more pressing things - like using this new "USB 2.0
External Hard Drive Enclosure" for a perfect partition copy
backup of the boot drive (including ALL the directory and file
dates!), and, what a joy it is, compared to the previous,
tedious, procedure, of having to manually swap in/out the backup
IDE hard drive each time!

I've been meaning to ask about that. Did you need to do a separate
download for the USB 2.0 drivers, or did they come with the device?

They came on the enclosed CD. No download needed. It was
recognized by windows as new hardware, and installed pretty easily.

Nice.


I should add, you can also go to their website and download Win98SE
drivers (as I just happened to look there recently), but as I said,
you don't need to do that, since they are on the Vantec CD.

Did it install flawlessly & well the first time? Is there any
confusion with drive letters when the thing is turned on/off-- does
D:\ change to E:\ for instance? What was the ultimate cost?

Pretty much installed almost flawlessly (I say "almost", because I
made the mistake of leaving my BIOS set to include any USB drives
(along with floppies) in the boot sequence. So it tried to boot
first on the enclosure drive (which I had NOT installed the drivers
on!), and since I had left my backup drive with its partition set as
Active in BING, that wasn't too nice. :-) My mistake. But
having recognized that and fixing that problem, it went fine.

Hmmm. My own BIOS in "Boot Order" only mentions...

(a) CD-ROM Drive: Second
(b) Floppy Drive A: First
(c) Hard Drive C: Third

So, I guess I needn't worry! Glad you survived it.


In my BIOS bootup options there were also options like ARMD-HDD, for
"ATAPI Removeable Media Drive", which presumably includes the USB
external drive enclosure with the IDE drive inside. Unfortunately,
I had forgotten about that, AND on top of that I had left the Active
Partition flag SET on the enclosure drive, so that wasn't nice!
Dumb on my part. Live and Learn. The way I have my BIOS setup now
is like yours.


I've actually seen "Hard Drive C" drop OFF my boot order screen, when I
removed the hard drive & plugged it into a Maxtor/Promise Ultra 100 ATA
Adapter Card. Could be, who knows, something will pop onto it, if/when I
plug in a USB Enclosure with an HDD on it-- BUT the one in the Adapter
sure did not! Anyhow, I wouldn't necessarily want to boot it, but would
only do what you have done-- instead/in addition to of my current always
connected backup HDD inside the box.

Cost was around $30 for the USB 2.0 HD enclosure (enclosing the IDE
drive).

Not bad.


Without shipping, that is. (Or maybe it was $35.00)


Getting worse, but still acceptable.

I leave the USB connector plugged in, but only switch the enclosure
drive on (small power switch, on back of enclosure) when I want to
make a backup. Nothing to connect or disconnect any more!! Oh
JOY!! And most of the time my backup drive is NOT being used, so it
has a pretty "unlimited" lifetime.

Yea. Sounds good.

The Vantec looks pretty elegant in its style, sitting here on my
desk, and has a nice blue light (in a sleek blue case) for showing
disk activity.

That proves you are overall happy with it, if you think it's
beautiful.


Not just me - if you go look at the reviews (like some on Amazon),
you'll see.
Here's a link that I think still works:


http://www.amazon.com/Vantec-NexStar.../dp/tech-data/
B0009HMT9Y/ref=de_a_smtd/103-9574051-1259041


That does look good all in blue, Colorado. But all my USB ports are on
the floor, & I hope I never step on the thing!

The only thing I don't like about it is it's a tight fit getting the
drive in the case, so if someone wanted to remove it and swap in/out
another IDE drive, that wouldn't be too easy. I don't, so it's no
biggie.

For others, it might be a deal breaker, though. Well, thanks for the
report.


Yes - if one were going to need to remove the enclosure drive fairly
often, there would probably be better choices out there.


I will look research the options when the time comes, BUT at least I
know the Vantec likely will work-- & with BING too!

I *do*, however, like the fact that the Vantec Nexstar 3 model uses a
large aluminum heat sink for the drive inside its case, and thus does
not need a fan for the enclosed hard drive (and that may be part of
the reason for the tight fit).


That's a good tradeoff, I guess. It doesn't scald your hands like
Blanton's do?


No way.

But maybe you're not runnong it long, too.


Maybe true, if you mean HOURS on end, but I don't think it matters. If it
ain't hot after 45 minutes, it ain't gonna get hot. And it takes 45
minutes to copy my boot (and all program's) main drive partition C:
About 10 GB worth at this point.
Perfect copy, including ALL folder and file dates. Which is the only way
to go (for me) - I depend on the date stamps of folders and files when I
install and modify (or update, or remove) programs and data. Plus I'm
always running SFC to keep tabs on things. And using registry backups as
needed, after testing out various programs (and sometimes their updates,
which I don't like sometimes)

Not all USB External HD enclosure models are like this, and
especially if it were an all plastic design (as some models
apparently are), one would probably want a fan to cool the enclosure
drive (and some other models have that). But as for the fan?
Thanks, but no thanks - I like mine noiseless, and it runs cool,
anyways.


That sounds reasonable to me, & I'll keep it in mind for sure. Thanks.


I've actually just ordered another one, so I can *effortlessly* backup the
other hard drive, which contains my audio and video files (I like to do some
audio restoration on various older music).


  #42  
Old February 18th 07, 05:19 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.apps
Gary S. Terhune
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Could you guys please start a new thread? This one is one I have to pay
attention to for obvious reasons. Your thread drift topic is not.

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
PCR wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote:
PCR wrote:


You didn't answer...

Is there any
confusion with drive letters when the thing is turned on/off-- does
D:\ change to E:\ for instance?


I'm thinking strange things could happen to drive letters doing as you
do, by the rules of...

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=51978
Order in Which MS-DOS and Windows Assign Drive Letters


When the USB drive is off, as it normally is, I have my normal two
internal
hard drives (each having 2 partitions) show up as C:, D:, and E:, F:.

When the USB external HD is turned ON, I get an additional G: and H:.,
(just
as expected). So the internal IDE drives get enumerated first, followed
by the ATAPI interface one (my USB one), which I believe is standard
procedure.

Incidentally, I've previously made my CD/DVD combo drive to be configured
as
K:, and my ZIP drive as Z:, to avoid some of the confusion with changing
drive letters that would otherwise occur.




  #43  
Old February 18th 07, 06:24 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.apps
Bill in Co.
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I thought the patch had already been created last year. What's the
problem with the one that was created already from the msdn reference?
Are you trying to reinvent the wheel here Gary? It's done already.
:-)

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Could you guys please start a new thread? This one is one I have to pay
attention to for obvious reasons. Your thread drift topic is not.

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
PCR wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote:
PCR wrote:

You didn't answer...

Is there any
confusion with drive letters when the thing is turned on/off-- does
D:\ change to E:\ for instance?

I'm thinking strange things could happen to drive letters doing as you
do, by the rules of...

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=51978
Order in Which MS-DOS and Windows Assign Drive Letters


When the USB drive is off, as it normally is, I have my normal two
internal
hard drives (each having 2 partitions) show up as C:, D:, and E:, F:.

When the USB external HD is turned ON, I get an additional G: and H:.,
(just
as expected). So the internal IDE drives get enumerated first,

followed
by the ATAPI interface one (my USB one), which I believe is standard
procedure.

Incidentally, I've previously made my CD/DVD combo drive to be configured
as
K:, and my ZIP drive as Z:, to avoid some of the confusion with changing
drive letters that would otherwise occur.



  #44  
Old February 18th 07, 07:04 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.apps
Gary S. Terhune
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I'm my Dad's son. Can't help but reinvent the wheel every time I think about
it. Like, why does it always have to be round? So f'in' BORING!!!

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
I thought the patch had already been created last year. What's the
problem with the one that was created already from the msdn reference?
Are you trying to reinvent the wheel here Gary? It's done already.
:-)

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Could you guys please start a new thread? This one is one I have to pay
attention to for obvious reasons. Your thread drift topic is not.



  #45  
Old February 18th 07, 11:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.apps
PCR
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Bill in Co. wrote:
| PCR wrote:
| Bill in Co. wrote:
....snip
| I *do*, however, like the fact that the Vantec Nexstar 3 model uses
| a large aluminum heat sink for the drive inside its case, and thus
| does not need a fan for the enclosed hard drive (and that may be
| part of the reason for the tight fit).
|
| That's a good tradeoff, I guess. It doesn't scald your hands like
| Blanton's do?
|
| No way.
|
| But maybe you're not runnong it long, too.
|
| Maybe true, if you mean HOURS on end, but I don't think it matters.
| If it ain't hot after 45 minutes, it ain't gonna get hot. And it
| takes 45 minutes to copy my boot (and all program's) main drive
| partition C:
| About 10 GB worth at this point.

OK. Sounds good as far as heat.

| Perfect copy, including ALL folder and file dates. Which is the
| only way to go (for me) - I depend on the date stamps of folders and
| files when I install and modify (or update, or remove) programs and
| data. Plus I'm always running SFC to keep tabs on things. And
| using registry backups as needed, after testing out various programs
| (and sometimes their updates, which I don't like sometimes)

Uhuh, I remember all that, that you wanted the same date stamps & that
BING provides them. I like it that way too.

| Not all USB External HD enclosure models are like this, and
| especially if it were an all plastic design (as some models
| apparently are), one would probably want a fan to cool the enclosure
| drive (and some other models have that). But as for the fan?
| Thanks, but no thanks - I like mine noiseless, and it runs cool,
| anyways.
|
| That sounds reasonable to me, & I'll keep it in mind for sure.
| Thanks.
|
| I've actually just ordered another one, so I can *effortlessly*
| backup the other hard drive, which contains my audio and video files
| (I like to do some audio restoration on various older music).

Two of them, hmmm. So, now you do wish it were easier to get an HDD
in/out the first? But let's close this portion of the thread to honor
Terhune's request.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



  #46  
Old February 18th 07, 11:54 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.apps
PCR
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Bill in Co. wrote:
| PCR wrote:
| Bill in Co. wrote:
| PCR wrote:
|
| You didn't answer...
|
| Is there any
| confusion with drive letters when the thing is turned on/off--
| does D:\ change to E:\ for instance?
|
| I'm thinking strange things could happen to drive letters doing as
| you do, by the rules of...
|
| http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=51978
| Order in Which MS-DOS and Windows Assign Drive Letters
|
| When the USB drive is off, as it normally is, I have my normal two
| internal hard drives (each having 2 partitions) show up as C:, D:,
| and E:, F:.
|
| When the USB external HD is turned ON, I get an additional G: and
| H:., (just as expected). So the internal IDE drives get enumerated
| first, followed by the ATAPI interface one (my USB one), which I
| believe is standard procedure.

I see! That is very good, if it doesn't upset the order of the letters
assigned to the permanent drives. Very good, then. It could be just that
you have a fortunate partition arrangement that would cause the USB
device to enumerate nice as it does, for instance...

HDD0: 1 Primary & 1 Extended
HDD1: Same as that
USB: All Extended

Or it must have something to do with those USB drivers, that they are
last no matter as you suspect. I guess then somehow they follow rule
7...

.....Quote the article.........
7. After all logical drives on the hard disk(s) have been assigned drive
letters, drive letters are assigned to drives installed using DRIVER.SYS
or created using RAMDRIVE.SYS in the order in which the drivers are
loaded in the CONFIG.SYS file. Which drive letters are assigned to which
devices can be influenced by changing the order of the device drivers
or, if necessary, by creating "dummy" drive letters with DRIVER.SYS.
.....EOQ the article.............

| Incidentally, I've previously made my CD/DVD combo drive to be
| configured as K:, and my ZIP drive as Z:, to avoid some of the
| confusion with changing drive letters that would otherwise occur.

Yea. My own CD-R/W is W:\.


  #47  
Old February 19th 07, 12:23 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.apps
Bill in Co.
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Posts: 1,335
Default Daylight Savings Patch

PCR wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote:
PCR wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote:

...snip
I *do*, however, like the fact that the Vantec Nexstar 3 model uses
a large aluminum heat sink for the drive inside its case, and thus
does not need a fan for the enclosed hard drive (and that may be
part of the reason for the tight fit).

That's a good tradeoff, I guess. It doesn't scald your hands like
Blanton's do?


No way.

But maybe you're not runnong it long, too.


Maybe true, if you mean HOURS on end, but I don't think it matters.
If it ain't hot after 45 minutes, it ain't gonna get hot. And it
takes 45 minutes to copy my boot (and all program's) main drive
partition C:
About 10 GB worth at this point.


OK. Sounds good as far as heat.

Perfect copy, including ALL folder and file dates. Which is the
only way to go (for me) - I depend on the date stamps of folders and
files when I install and modify (or update, or remove) programs and
data. Plus I'm always running SFC to keep tabs on things. And
using registry backups as needed, after testing out various programs
(and sometimes their updates, which I don't like sometimes)


Uhuh, I remember all that, that you wanted the same date stamps & that
BING provides them. I like it that way too.

Not all USB External HD enclosure models are like this, and
especially if it were an all plastic design (as some models
apparently are), one would probably want a fan to cool the enclosure
drive (and some other models have that). But as for the fan?
Thanks, but no thanks - I like mine noiseless, and it runs cool,
anyways.

That sounds reasonable to me, & I'll keep it in mind for sure.
Thanks.


I've actually just ordered another one, so I can *effortlessly*
backup the other hard drive, which contains my audio and video files
(I like to do some audio restoration on various older music).


Two of them, hmmm. So, now you do wish it were easier to get an HDD
in/out the first?


Not really all that necessary in my case. Why would I? They are only
backup drives.


  #48  
Old February 19th 07, 12:26 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.apps
Bill in Co.
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Posts: 1,335
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PCR wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote:
PCR wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote:
PCR wrote:

You didn't answer...

Is there any
confusion with drive letters when the thing is turned on/off--
does D:\ change to E:\ for instance?

I'm thinking strange things could happen to drive letters doing as
you do, by the rules of...

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=51978
Order in Which MS-DOS and Windows Assign Drive Letters


When the USB drive is off, as it normally is, I have my normal two
internal hard drives (each having 2 partitions) show up as C:, D:,
and E:, F:.

When the USB external HD is turned ON, I get an additional G: and
H:., (just as expected). So the internal IDE drives get enumerated
first, followed by the ATAPI interface one (my USB one), which I
believe is standard procedure.


I see! That is very good, if it doesn't upset the order of the letters
assigned to the permanent drives.


But I've only turned the USB drive on after bootup (I mean in Windows), and
haven't checked it otherwise, since I really have no need to. It's only
being used as a backup.

Very good, then. It could be just that
you have a fortunate partition arrangement that would cause the USB
device to enumerate nice as it does, for instance...

HDD0: 1 Primary & 1 Extended
HDD1: Same as that
USB: All Extended

Or it must have something to do with those USB drivers, that they are
last no matter as you suspect. I guess then somehow they follow rule
7...

....Quote the article.........
7. After all logical drives on the hard disk(s) have been assigned drive
letters, drive letters are assigned to drives installed using DRIVER.SYS
or created using RAMDRIVE.SYS in the order in which the drivers are
loaded in the CONFIG.SYS file. Which drive letters are assigned to which
devices can be influenced by changing the order of the device drivers
or, if necessary, by creating "dummy" drive letters with DRIVER.SYS.
....EOQ the article.............

Incidentally, I've previously made my CD/DVD combo drive to be
configured as K:, and my ZIP drive as Z:, to avoid some of the
confusion with changing drive letters that would otherwise occur.


Yea. My own CD-R/W is W:\.



  #49  
Old February 19th 07, 01:04 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.apps
PCR
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Bill in Co. wrote:
| PCR wrote:
| Bill in Co. wrote:
| PCR wrote:
| Bill in Co. wrote:
| PCR wrote:
|
| You didn't answer...
|
| Is there any
| confusion with drive letters when the thing is turned on/off--
| does D:\ change to E:\ for instance?
|
| I'm thinking strange things could happen to drive letters doing as
| you do, by the rules of...
|
| http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=51978
| Order in Which MS-DOS and Windows Assign Drive Letters
|
| When the USB drive is off, as it normally is, I have my normal two
| internal hard drives (each having 2 partitions) show up as C:, D:,
| and E:, F:.
|
| When the USB external HD is turned ON, I get an additional G: and
| H:., (just as expected). So the internal IDE drives get
| enumerated first, followed by the ATAPI interface one (my USB one),
| which I believe is standard procedure.
|
| I see! That is very good, if it doesn't upset the order of the
| letters assigned to the permanent drives.
|
| But I've only turned the USB drive on after bootup (I mean in
| Windows), and haven't checked it otherwise, since I really have no
| need to. It's only being used as a backup.

Oooops. That's right. There's no way it could mess with pre-existing
letters, then. Sorry for confusing things. OK. That's that, then. Your
Vantec is definitely a candidate when the time comes for me, Colorado.
OK, thanks. Let's not mess any further with Terhune's thread, though,
mellow as he may lately have become. OK, bye.

From another other thread segment...

Bill in Co. wrote:
| I've actually just ordered another one, so I can *effortlessly*
| backup the other hard drive, which contains my audio and video files
| (I like to do some audio restoration on various older music).
|
| Two of them, hmmm. So, now you do wish it were easier to get an HDD
| in/out the first?
|
| Not really all that necessary in my case. Why would I? They
| are only backup drives.

No, I'm just saying, one should be enough, if the HDDs are removable &
meant only for backup. OK, bye.


  #50  
Old February 19th 07, 02:11 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.apps
Bill in Co.
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Posts: 1,335
Default Daylight Savings Patch

PCR wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote:
PCR wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote:
PCR wrote:
Bill in Co. wrote:
PCR wrote:

You didn't answer...

Is there any
confusion with drive letters when the thing is turned on/off--
does D:\ change to E:\ for instance?

I'm thinking strange things could happen to drive letters doing as
you do, by the rules of...

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=51978
Order in Which MS-DOS and Windows Assign Drive Letters

When the USB drive is off, as it normally is, I have my normal two
internal hard drives (each having 2 partitions) show up as C:, D:,
and E:, F:.

When the USB external HD is turned ON, I get an additional G: and
H:., (just as expected). So the internal IDE drives get
enumerated first, followed by the ATAPI interface one (my USB one),
which I believe is standard procedure.

I see! That is very good, if it doesn't upset the order of the
letters assigned to the permanent drives.


But I've only turned the USB drive on after bootup (I mean in
Windows), and haven't checked it otherwise, since I really have no
need to. It's only being used as a backup.


Oooops. That's right. There's no way it could mess with pre-existing
letters, then. Sorry for confusing things. OK. That's that, then. Your
Vantec is definitely a candidate when the time comes for me, Colorado.
OK, thanks.


From another other thread segment...

Bill in Co. wrote:
I've actually just ordered another one, so I can *effortlessly*
backup the other hard drive, which contains my audio and video files
(I like to do some audio restoration on various older music).

Two of them, hmmm. So, now you do wish it were easier to get an HDD
in/out the first?


Not really all that necessary in my case. Why would I? They
are only backup drives.


No, I'm just saying, one should be enough, if the HDDs are removable &
meant only for backup.


I'm getting another one for backing up my OTHER internal HD. I have TWO
internal HDs, which logically need TWO external drives for backup. OK, now
I think we're done. :-)


 




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