Question for Fanboys: Is Win 7 Finally It?

Top-Poaster Jeff Richards wrote:

Your comments relate only to the OEM versions of Windows 7 and
are not applicable to full or upgrade versions, which can be
purchased over the counter or online for installation on any
suitable PC.

Go back and read what I said.

I said that the vast majority of people will experience Windows-7 only
because they are buying new machines, as is the case with all previous
versions of windows.

VERY FEW people and corporations (relatively speaking) buy retail
versions of Windows for installation on existing hardware.

Top-Poaster Jeff Richards wrote:

Your comments relate only to the OEM versions of Windows 7 and
are not applicable to full or upgrade versions, which can be
purchased over the counter or online for installation on any
suitable PC.

Go back and read what I said.

I said that the vast majority of people will experience Windows-7 only
because they are buying new machines, as is the case with all previous
versions of windows.

VERY FEW people and corporations (relatively speaking) buy retail
versions of Windows for installation on existing hardware.

John John - MVP wrote:

The number one reason is that their current PC has become bogged
down by malware, and they feel that their only practical recourse
is a new machine.

That certainly isn't my findings with any of the people that I have
worked with

Is that because you helped them? Is that what you mean by "worked with"
?

Re-installing their OS and replacing their apps and personal files
properly is not a talent that the vast majority of PC users have.

I would say that the number one reason why people change their
computer is that they can't run the newer software or some of
the new gadgets that they buy on their computer.

Tell me what XP can't do these days. Because that's what we're REALLY
talking about. Don't put forward that the typical migration case is
win-98 to win-7.

Right behind the need to change for new gadgets or software

Which most people don't have a problem with because XP has been the
defacto OS on PC's for the past 7 years. So again, your reasoning is
weak.

Again, the reason why most people buy new PC's is because their existing
PC is too bogged down with malware. And those existing PC's are running
XP, not win-98.

John John - MVP wrote:

The number one reason is that their current PC has become bogged
down by malware, and they feel that their only practical recourse
is a new machine.

That certainly isn't my findings with any of the people that I have
worked with

Is that because you helped them? Is that what you mean by "worked with"
?

Re-installing their OS and replacing their apps and personal files
properly is not a talent that the vast majority of PC users have.

I would say that the number one reason why people change their
computer is that they can't run the newer software or some of
the new gadgets that they buy on their computer.

Tell me what XP can't do these days. Because that's what we're REALLY
talking about. Don't put forward that the typical migration case is
win-98 to win-7.

Right behind the need to change for new gadgets or software

Which most people don't have a problem with because XP has been the
defacto OS on PC's for the past 7 years. So again, your reasoning is
weak.

Again, the reason why most people buy new PC's is because their existing
PC is too bogged down with malware. And those existing PC's are running
XP, not win-98.

98 Guy wrote:

Again, the reason why most people buy new PC's is because their existing
PC is too bogged down with malware. And those existing PC's are running
XP, not win-98.

Nonsense, only idiots replace computers to repair malware alone, there
would usually be other contributing factors and a malware infestation
might just be the straw that broke the camel's back, it wouldn't be the
number one or the sole reason. Not all people are as dumb as you think
and as far as XP is concerned sticking an OEM restore disk or using an
OEM restore partition is so easy to do that even you could do it. And
if you weren't talking about Windows 98 then why did you post here, in a
Windows 98 group?

Bye.

John

98 Guy wrote:

Again, the reason why most people buy new PC's is because their existing
PC is too bogged down with malware. And those existing PC's are running
XP, not win-98.

Nonsense, only idiots replace computers to repair malware alone, there
would usually be other contributing factors and a malware infestation
might just be the straw that broke the camel's back, it wouldn't be the
number one or the sole reason. Not all people are as dumb as you think
and as far as XP is concerned sticking an OEM restore disk or using an
OEM restore partition is so easy to do that even you could do it. And
if you weren't talking about Windows 98 then why did you post here, in a
Windows 98 group?

Bye.

John

John John wrote:

Again, the reason why most people buy new PC's is because their
existing PC is too bogged down with malware. And those existing
PC's are running XP, not win-98.

Nonsense, only idiots replace computers to repair malware alone,
there would usually be other contributing factors and a malware
infestation might just be the straw that broke the camel's back,
it wouldn't be the number one or the sole reason.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/17/technology/17spy.html

Mr. Tucker, an Internet industry executive who holds a Ph.D. in computer
science, decided that rather than take the time to remove the offending
software, he would spend $400 on a new machine.

He is not alone in his surrender in the face of growing legions of
digital pests, not only adware and spyware but computer viruses and
other Internet-borne infections as well. Many PC owners are simply
replacing embattled machines rather than fixing them.

"I was spending time every week trying to keep the machine free of
viruses and worms," said Mr. Tucker, a vice president of Salesforce.com,
a Web services firm based here. "I was losing the battle. It was cheaper
and faster to go to the store and buy a low-end PC."
----------------

That was 4 years ago, and it's probably even more common now.

Not all people are as dumb as you think and as far as XP is
concerned sticking an OEM restore disk or using an OEM restore
partition is so easy to do that even you could do it.

It's not a question of being dumb. It's a question of experience and
knowledge.

It's a fact that the average PC user has no idea how to go about
re-installing their OS and all the apps on their machine.

And for most people, their OEM disk went AWOL a long time ago.

And if you weren't talking about Windows 98 then why did you post
here, in a Windows 98 group?

Why are you incapable of following the logic and flow of this thread?

The OP of this thread (which wasn't me) started this by putting forward
the idea that Windows 7 was finally going to the the OS that gets people
to migrate away from Windows 98.

In response I stated the reasons why that would not likely be the case.
The reasons being:

1) the vast majority of people don't play the retail-upgrade game with
their PC's, but instead they simply by a new machine with the latest OS
pre-installed.

2) anyone still running ONLY win-98 is likely to have a low-performance
machine which would make it frustrating to run XP on, let alone Seven,
so migrating to Seven on their existing hardware is no more likely for
them than it would have been a few years ago to migrate to XP or Vista.

3) XP is a much better migration destination than Seven.

John John wrote:

Again, the reason why most people buy new PC's is because their
existing PC is too bogged down with malware. And those existing
PC's are running XP, not win-98.

Nonsense, only idiots replace computers to repair malware alone,
there would usually be other contributing factors and a malware
infestation might just be the straw that broke the camel's back,
it wouldn't be the number one or the sole reason.

----------------
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/17/technology/17spy.html

Mr. Tucker, an Internet industry executive who holds a Ph.D. in computer
science, decided that rather than take the time to remove the offending
software, he would spend $400 on a new machine.

He is not alone in his surrender in the face of growing legions of
digital pests, not only adware and spyware but computer viruses and
other Internet-borne infections as well. Many PC owners are simply
replacing embattled machines rather than fixing them.

"I was spending time every week trying to keep the machine free of
viruses and worms," said Mr. Tucker, a vice president of Salesforce.com,
a Web services firm based here. "I was losing the battle. It was cheaper
and faster to go to the store and buy a low-end PC."
----------------

That was 4 years ago, and it's probably even more common now.

Not all people are as dumb as you think and as far as XP is
concerned sticking an OEM restore disk or using an OEM restore
partition is so easy to do that even you could do it.

It's not a question of being dumb. It's a question of experience and
knowledge.

It's a fact that the average PC user has no idea how to go about
re-installing their OS and all the apps on their machine.

And for most people, their OEM disk went AWOL a long time ago.

And if you weren't talking about Windows 98 then why did you post
here, in a Windows 98 group?

Why are you incapable of following the logic and flow of this thread?

The OP of this thread (which wasn't me) started this by putting forward
the idea that Windows 7 was finally going to the the OS that gets people
to migrate away from Windows 98.

In response I stated the reasons why that would not likely be the case.
The reasons being:

1) the vast majority of people don't play the retail-upgrade game with
their PC's, but instead they simply by a new machine with the latest OS
pre-installed.

2) anyone still running ONLY win-98 is likely to have a low-performance
machine which would make it frustrating to run XP on, let alone Seven,
so migrating to Seven on their existing hardware is no more likely for
them than it would have been a few years ago to migrate to XP or Vista.

3) XP is a much better migration destination than Seven.

98 Guy wrote in :

SNIP

----------------
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/17/technology/17spy.html

Mr. Tucker, an Internet industry executive who holds a
Ph.D. in computer science, decided that rather than take
the time to remove the offending software, he would spend
$400 on a new machine.

He is not alone in his surrender in the face of growing
legions of digital pests, not only adware and spyware but
computer viruses and other Internet-borne infections as
well. Many PC owners are simply replacing embattled
machines rather than fixing them.

"I was spending time every week trying to keep the machine
free of viruses and worms," said Mr. Tucker, a vice
president of Salesforce.com, a Web services firm based
here. "I was losing the battle. It was cheaper and faster
to go to the store and buy a low-end PC."
----------------

A rather long, but perfect definition of a moron. What makes
this cretin think the new machine won't be as malware-ridden as
this present one in a few weeks?

That was 4 years ago, and it's probably even more common
now.

Not all people are as dumb as you think and as far as XP
is concerned sticking an OEM restore disk or using an OEM
restore partition is so easy to do that even you could do
it.

Actually, a lot of people have serious problems doing system
restores. As usual, it's a very badly designed feature, and if
people didn't make a disk from the "semi-hidden backup
partition", they're ****ed.

The OP of this thread (which wasn't me) started this by
putting forward the idea that Windows 7 was finally going
to the the OS that gets people to migrate away from Windows
98.

In response I stated the reasons why that would not likely
be the case. The reasons being:

1) the vast majority of people don't play the
retail-upgrade game with their PC's, but instead they
simply by a new machine with the latest OS pre-installed.

2) anyone still running ONLY win-98 is likely to have a
low-performance machine which would make it frustrating to
run XP on, let alone Seven, so migrating to Seven on their
existing hardware is no more likely for them than it would
have been a few years ago to migrate to XP or Vista.

3) XP is a much better migration destination than Seven.




--
There are only two classifications of disk drives: Broken drives
and those that will break later.
- Chuck Armstrong

John John - MVP wrote in
:

98 Guy wrote:

And it's not necessarily the desire to "migrate" to a new
version of windows that's the reason why people buy new
machines. The number one reason is that their current PC
has become bogged down by malware, and they feel that
their only practical recourse is a new machine.

There is no cure for stupidity. Oh well, I guess it keeps the
Chinese economy growing, so it's a good thing. Gotta keep
building jails for those dissidents.

That certainly isn't my findings with any of the people
that I have worked with, fixing malware or bloat problems
is easy, at worse a wipe and reinstall and with a good
backup set your back in business.

YOU know it, but most people know nothing.

I would say that the number one reason why people change
their computer is that they can't run the newer software or
some of the new gadgets that they buy on their computer.

There hasn't been anything "new" worthwhile written for years -
it's all rewrites of stuff from 10-30 years ago with 20 or 50 MB
of eye candy and useless bloat and "features" no-one knows about
or would understand (let alone use) if even if s/he did.

Your printer goes pouff! and none of the new printers out
there have drivers for Windows 9x.

I have a 12 year old HP laser printer which works better than
when I first got it (I finally installed the little "don't pull
in more than one sheet at a time" thingy a couple of years ago).

Quality printers rarely go "pouff", there are many HPII's still
running, and all the idiots who bought **** inkjets whose makers
claimed a muddy brown and grayish blue were "colors" deserve
what they got.

Computers should help us to be "paperless". And if emailing
files instead of printing them isn't good enough for you, with
PDF - and many other formats - you can print anything you want
in a cafe or computer shop on your block, let alone a service
bureau if you are serious. I don't care what people say, the
moron staff factor aside, if you want top quality, you still
have to go to a service bureau. Sure, it's a little bit more
trouble, but both a LOT better and probably cheaper in the long
run.

That hot new game that
everybody is flocking to buy doesn't run on Windows 9x.

The "hot new game" is 99.9% eye and ear candy and .1% content -
directly copied from a game developed 15 or 20 years ago.

You've been told by your software vendor

/VENDOR/

that your DOS
accounting suite will no longer be supported and that next
year you will not have a new payroll module unless you
upgrade to the new versions which aren't supported on
Windows 98.

Are we getting an entirely new salary/tax/payroll structure? I
know of a company which has been running a 30 year old
proprietary acct/inventory/payroll system for - yes, 30 years. I
think they're idiots since any Win3 program can do better, but
still - nothing new under the sun, except bull**** and more
greed then ever thought possible.

And the list goes on.

Right behind the need to change for new gadgets or software
I would say that the next most common reason is that folks
want faster newer machines

They should bring amphetamines back and make them prescription-
free. That would solve this idiotic obsession with speed. DOS is
faster than Win7 and everyone who knows anything knows it.



--
There are only two classifications of disk drives: Broken drives
and those that will break later.
- Chuck Armstrong